K-State basketball history and oscar Weber

[Panjandrum]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

[wetwillie]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end. 

[CNS]

Would be fine with brad, but the only brad slam dunk is Stevens, and he isn't coming.  Otherwise interview Underwood and others.

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[j rake]

doesn't oscar have a $2.5 million buyout? "fire weber" is a discussion for another offseason.

[CNS]

I thought it was something like$800k.
Dax nailed it down a month ago or so in a dax thread
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[Panjandrum]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

[Panjandrum]

 

I thought it was something like$800k.
Dax naked it down a month ago or so in a dax thread
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It's in another thread. $250k.

[CNS]

No brainer

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[wetwillie]

doesn't oscar have a $2.5 million buyout? "fire weber" is a discussion for another offseason.

2.5 is a big hurdle no doubt.  underwood would take a salary half that currently being paid to weber which would help. 

[kso_FAN]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

Yeah, I'm thinking this is probably true.

[wetwillie]

If the buyout is 250k you fire oscar in Kansas City after losing in the first round of the tourney.

[pvegs]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

Yeah, I'm thinking this is probably true.

What about home blowouts to KU and ISU and a loss in the tourney to TCU similar to what just happened in Fort Worth? Could that get it done?

[nicname]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

Yes. If coaches were robots I could see oscar getting booted this season, but any potential coach would probably look at the former coach getting a quick hook with skepticism. Add on any lingering gossip and rumor from Frank's leaving, and maybe it is best to just get a new AD.

[bones129]

If the buyout is 250k you fire oscar in Kansas City after losing in the first round of the tourney.

Definitely this.

[j rake]

Kellis reported the following last month:

I don’t see Weber going anywhere anytime soon, either. I understand fans are frustrated with the basketball team’s 8-7 start, but Weber is not on the hot seat. He is 55-28 with a conference championship and two NCAA Tournament appearances at K-State. And athletic director John Currie has twice extended his contract, which includes a $2.5 million buyout. The baseball team recently went from first to last in the Big 12, yet K-State remains confident in Brad Hill. Same with Weber. I suppose a monumental collapse (losing out) could change things, but the Wildcats could also end the season playing well. As of now, he will get the opportunity to move past a down year.

[wetwillie]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

Yes. If coaches were robots I could see oscar getting booted this season, but any potential coach would probably look at the former coach getting a quick hook with skepticism. Add on any lingering gossip and rumor from Frank's leaving, and maybe it is best to just get a new AD.

The next coach is brad underwood and he DNGAF if oscar gets a quick hook and what happened to Frank if he gets a job coaching for his alma mater and tripled his salary. 

[catzacker]

I'm not confident we'd hire someone better.

Jesus rusty.  We aren't ku fans complaining about self.

I know. I think everyone's being entirely reasonable.

Still, the same guy that hired oscar is hiring the next guy only now we'll have a worse roster and reputation. Forgive me if I'm not oozing excitement over who comes next.

i'm hoping that the next guy's best quality is that he hasn't failed  yet. 

[Panjandrum]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

Yes. If coaches were robots I could see oscar getting booted this season, but any potential coach would probably look at the former coach getting a quick hook with skepticism. Add on any lingering gossip and rumor from Frank's leaving, and maybe it is best to just get a new AD.

Currie openly didn't get along with Frank and torpedoed him in an embarrassing fashion.

He doesn't get along with his HOF coach behind the scenes. 

The Deb/Leti situation ended up being an effing disaster.

I doubt many quality candidates not named Brad Underwood are interested in working for John Currie.  He can't afford to look any more reckless or difficult than he already does.

[Panjandrum]

Kellis reported the following last month:

I don’t see Weber going anywhere anytime soon, either. I understand fans are frustrated with the basketball team’s 8-7 start, but Weber is not on the hot seat. He is 55-28 with a conference championship and two NCAA Tournament appearances at K-State. And athletic director John Currie has twice extended his contract, which includes a $2.5 million buyout. The baseball team recently went from first to last in the Big 12, yet K-State remains confident in Brad Hill. Same with Weber. I suppose a monumental collapse (losing out) could change things, but the Wildcats could also end the season playing well. As of now, he will get the opportunity to move past a down year.

Then he has access to a different copy of the contract we looked at.

[nicname]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

Yes. If coaches were robots I could see oscar getting booted this season, but any potential coach would probably look at the former coach getting a quick hook with skepticism. Add on any lingering gossip and rumor from Frank's leaving, and maybe it is best to just get a new AD.

The next coach is brad underwood and he DNGAF if oscar gets a quick hook and what happened to Frank if he gets a job coaching for his alma mater and tripled his salary.

You're right. Brad wouldn't care. Just about any outside coach would at least take pause. And like I said, throw in that Currie couldn't get along with the previous coach (regardless of fault) and you've got a double whammy. I wonder what effect Currie's past with Brad's old boss would have on his decision.

[nicname]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

Yes. If coaches were robots I could see oscar getting booted this season, but any potential coach would probably look at the former coach getting a quick hook with skepticism. Add on any lingering gossip and rumor from Frank's leaving, and maybe it is best to just get a new AD.

Currie openly didn't get along with Frank and torpedoed him in an embarrassing fashion.

He doesn't get along with his HOF coach behind the scenes. 

The Deb/Leti situation ended up being an effing disaster.

I doubt many quality candidates not named Brad Underwood are interested in working for John Currie.  He can't afford to look any more reckless or difficult than he already does.

Yep. I think it may cause some concern for Brad as well.

[wetwillie]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

Yes. If coaches were robots I could see oscar getting booted this season, but any potential coach would probably look at the former coach getting a quick hook with skepticism. Add on any lingering gossip and rumor from Frank's leaving, and maybe it is best to just get a new AD.

Currie openly didn't get along with Frank and torpedoed him in an embarrassing fashion.

He doesn't get along with his HOF coach behind the scenes. 

The Deb/Leti situation ended up being an effing disaster.

I doubt many quality candidates not named Brad Underwood are interested in working for John Currie.  He can't afford to look any more reckless or difficult than he already does.

If Currie is more concerned about his own reputation than the state of the second most important program in the AD then he needs to be relieved of his duties. 

[Panjandrum]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

Yes. If coaches were robots I could see oscar getting booted this season, but any potential coach would probably look at the former coach getting a quick hook with skepticism. Add on any lingering gossip and rumor from Frank's leaving, and maybe it is best to just get a new AD.

The next coach is brad underwood and he DNGAF if oscar gets a quick hook and what happened to Frank if he gets a job coaching for his alma mater and tripled his salary.

You're right. Brad wouldn't care. Just about any outside coach would at least take pause. And like I said, throw in that Currie couldn't get along with the previous coach (regardless of fault) and you've got a double whammy. I wonder what effect Currie's past with Brad's old boss would have on his decision.

Currie is going to have to hire a football coach soon.  That factors into this decision, too. 

He can't appear to be a quick trigger guy at a place like KSU.

[catzacker]

where's Bob Krause when you need him?

[Pete]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

Yes. If coaches were robots I could see oscar getting booted this season, but any potential coach would probably look at the former coach getting a quick hook with skepticism. Add on any lingering gossip and rumor from Frank's leaving, and maybe it is best to just get a new AD.

The next coach is brad underwood and he DNGAF if oscar gets a quick hook and what happened to Frank if he gets a job coaching for his alma mater and tripled his salary.

You're right. Brad wouldn't care. Just about any outside coach would at least take pause. And like I said, throw in that Currie couldn't get along with the previous coach (regardless of fault) and you've got a double whammy. I wonder what effect Currie's past with Brad's old boss would have on his decision.

Currie is going to have to hire a football coach soon.  That factors into this decision, too. 

He can't appear to be a quick trigger guy at a place like KSU.

Counter point:  Among K-Staters, isn't Currie at risk of being the "guy you don't trust with another hire," if Weber keeps this downward trajectory?