Hiring Process Discussion with CC

[captaincrap]

I not trying to convince you guys to like BW or even JC. I've said repeatedly that I'm not defending the hire.

cc, you obviously are defending the hire, and pretty vigorously.  the less you lie the more credibility you retain.

I've never said one thing about BW other than to say he hasn't coached a game here. Never once said it was a good or bad hire, never once said the phrase "give it time", never once said anything about how well he will do, never once made an excuse for his record at Illinois. Just because you might disagree with me doesn't make me a liar.

This thread has devolved into exactly what pissed me off at the beginning -- if someone doesn't agree with your preconceived notion that Currie is evil, they are shouted down by the mob. All I've done is tried to give you guys some added info in the hope that it would cause some of you to back away from the ledge. It clearly hasn't worked.

I've pointed out that Currie and by extension the AthDept could have and should have done better with things over the last month. I'm also privy to information surrounding those events that you are not, and I know the result of that is that you and I will have different interpretations. I don't expect you to ever be real happy with Jamargate or Frank's exit, because odds are you will only have the current public info -- which doesn't paint a pretty picture of K-State. I've tried to give as much insight as possible to help provide context, at risk to me.
JC pledged transparency in contractual and financial reporting. He did not promise to reveal every private detail on every employee or athlete. When he believes that he shouldn't discuss details because it would bring harm to the University or individuals, he isn't lying -- he's protecting K-State. Which I would argue is one of his job requirements.

Is what Frank was doing considered NCAA violations?

I guess my point here is that no matter if oscar succeeds or not, the mob will always be there until we know the type of things/violations Frank was doing. I understand you can't reveal these. But at least give us something that we can chew on.

It would be best for me to not say anything about the NCAA involvement. It is ... complicated.

[EllToPay]

I not trying to convince you guys to like BW or even JC. I've said repeatedly that I'm not defending the hire.

cc, you obviously are defending the hire, and pretty vigorously.  the less you lie the more credibility you retain.

I've never said one thing about BW other than to say he hasn't coached a game here. Never once said it was a good or bad hire, never once said the phrase "give it time", never once said anything about how well he will do, never once made an excuse for his record at Illinois. Just because you might disagree with me doesn't make me a liar.

This thread has devolved into exactly what pissed me off at the beginning -- if someone doesn't agree with your preconceived notion that Currie is evil, they are shouted down by the mob. All I've done is tried to give you guys some added info in the hope that it would cause some of you to back away from the ledge. It clearly hasn't worked.

I've pointed out that Currie and by extension the AthDept could have and should have done better with things over the last month. I'm also privy to information surrounding those events that you are not, and I know the result of that is that you and I will have different interpretations. I don't expect you to ever be real happy with Jamargate or Frank's exit, because odds are you will only have the current public info -- which doesn't paint a pretty picture of K-State. I've tried to give as much insight as possible to help provide context, at risk to me.
JC pledged transparency in contractual and financial reporting. He did not promise to reveal every private detail on every employee or athlete. When he believes that he shouldn't discuss details because it would bring harm to the University or individuals, he isn't lying -- he's protecting K-State. Which I would argue is one of his job requirements.

Is what Frank was doing considered NCAA violations?

I guess my point here is that no matter if oscar succeeds or not, the mob will always be there until we know the type of things/violations Frank was doing. I understand you can't reveal these. But at least give us something that we can chew on.

It would be best for me to not say anything about the NCAA involvement. It is ... complicated.

Well then if that's the case you're just going to keep spending your time here defending the process.

[0.42]

Hmm. Well that's interesting re: Frank.

I know that Currie is supposed to protect the university, but he's also supposed to keep our university from being lampooned as a national laughingstock by the media. CC, I feel like you've insinuated that it wasn't possible for Currie to do both. Is that true?

[captaincrap]

I not trying to convince you guys to like BW or even JC. I've said repeatedly that I'm not defending the hire.

cc, you obviously are defending the hire, and pretty vigorously.  the less you lie the more credibility you retain.

I've never said one thing about BW other than to say he hasn't coached a game here. Never once said it was a good or bad hire, never once said the phrase "give it time", never once said anything about how well he will do, never once made an excuse for his record at Illinois. Just because you might disagree with me doesn't make me a liar.

This thread has devolved into exactly what pissed me off at the beginning -- if someone doesn't agree with your preconceived notion that Currie is evil, they are shouted down by the mob. All I've done is tried to give you guys some added info in the hope that it would cause some of you to back away from the ledge. It clearly hasn't worked.

I've pointed out that Currie and by extension the AthDept could have and should have done better with things over the last month. I'm also privy to information surrounding those events that you are not, and I know the result of that is that you and I will have different interpretations. I don't expect you to ever be real happy with Jamargate or Frank's exit, because odds are you will only have the current public info -- which doesn't paint a pretty picture of K-State. I've tried to give as much insight as possible to help provide context, at risk to me.
JC pledged transparency in contractual and financial reporting. He did not promise to reveal every private detail on every employee or athlete. When he believes that he shouldn't discuss details because it would bring harm to the University or individuals, he isn't lying -- he's protecting K-State. Which I would argue is one of his job requirements.

Is what Frank was doing considered NCAA violations?

I guess my point here is that no matter if oscar succeeds or not, the mob will always be there until we know the type of things/violations Frank was doing. I understand you can't reveal these. But at least give us something that we can chew on.

It would be best for me to not say anything about the NCAA involvement. It is ... complicated.

Well then if that's the case you're just going to keep spending your time here defending the process.

I know. Not trying to change peoples opinions 180 degrees. Like I've consistently said, I'm trying to maybe calm some folks down just a bit. 

[Mikeyis4dcats]

I not trying to convince you guys to like BW or even JC. I've said repeatedly that I'm not defending the hire.

cc, you obviously are defending the hire, and pretty vigorously.  the less you lie the more credibility you retain.

I've never said one thing about BW other than to say he hasn't coached a game here. Never once said it was a good or bad hire, never once said the phrase "give it time", never once said anything about how well he will do, never once made an excuse for his record at Illinois. Just because you might disagree with me doesn't make me a liar.

This thread has devolved into exactly what pissed me off at the beginning -- if someone doesn't agree with your preconceived notion that Currie is evil, they are shouted down by the mob. All I've done is tried to give you guys some added info in the hope that it would cause some of you to back away from the ledge. It clearly hasn't worked.

I've pointed out that Currie and by extension the AthDept could have and should have done better with things over the last month. I'm also privy to information surrounding those events that you are not, and I know the result of that is that you and I will have different interpretations. I don't expect you to ever be real happy with Jamargate or Frank's exit, because odds are you will only have the current public info -- which doesn't paint a pretty picture of K-State. I've tried to give as much insight as possible to help provide context, at risk to me.
JC pledged transparency in contractual and financial reporting. He did not promise to reveal every private detail on every employee or athlete. When he believes that he shouldn't discuss details because it would bring harm to the University or individuals, he isn't lying -- he's protecting K-State. Which I would argue is one of his job requirements.

Is what Frank was doing considered NCAA violations?

I guess my point here is that no matter if oscar succeeds or not, the mob will always be there until we know the type of things/violations Frank was doing. I understand you can't reveal these. But at least give us something that we can chew on.

It would be best for me to not say anything about the NCAA involvement. It is ... complicated.

Well then if that's the case you're just going to keep spending your time here defending the process.

I know. Not trying to change peoples opinions 180 degrees. Like I've consistently said, I'm trying to maybe calm some folks down just a bit. 

Thanks Bill       

Shouldn't you be at practice?

[mcmwcat]

captain, i'm trying to read between the lines.  one simple question - is k-state in danger of sanctions because of the actions of Frank Martin and/or his staff?

[captaincrap]

Hmm. Well that's interesting re: Frank.

I know that Currie is supposed to protect the university, but he's also supposed to keep our university from being lampooned as a national laughingstock by the media. CC, I feel like you've insinuated that it wasn't possible for Currie to do both. Is that true?

Would be very difficult. I think the receipt thing at the PC was honestly Currie's effort to give detail when he knew he shouldn't. That led to him fumbling around with it, made it look 100x worse. He should have just said "I am sorry, but due to FERPA and other factors, I can't get into it" and left it at that.

Don't misunderstand, I do think JC and the AthDept could have done better. There should have been a much better public explanation of the NCAA process in Pittsburgh, and there should have been better effort made with Frank over the last year or two (though I don't think it would have changed the result).

[captaincrap]

captain, i'm trying to read between the lines.  one simple question - is k-state in danger of sanctions because of the actions of Frank Martin and/or his staff?

Don't know yet.

[EllToPay]

captain, i'm trying to read between the lines.  one simple question - is k-state in danger of sanctions because of the actions of Frank Martin and/or his staff?

Don't know yet.

[Ira Hayes]

Everybody maintain squad integrity!  captaincrap is going back in!  Maintain squad integrity!

 

[Thecatwhisperer]

From the satellite picture in another thread it didn't look like John Currie had this many neighbors.

[Catchup]

CC is there good news coming (like maybe Caseyksu on GPC) reports? Also, why does Ziegler suck at free throws and won't a Weber fathead look kinda dumb?

[Rams]

I know. Not trying to change peoples opinions 180 degrees. Like I've consistently said, I'm trying to maybe calm some folks down just a bit. 

I think, for the most part, you've been relatively successful.  I won't speak for anyone else, but I appreciate your efforts.  As I said in an earlier post, there are some outliers here (they're not hard to identify) that dig in and PI all opinions to the contrary...and there's nothing wrong with that.  You'd better have thick skin on this site or you're not going to last long.  I'm not telling you anything you don't know.

[0.42]

Everybody maintain squad integrity!  captaincrap is going back in!  Maintain squad integrity!

 

 

Hmm. Well that's interesting re: Frank.

I know that Currie is supposed to protect the university, but he's also supposed to keep our university from being lampooned as a national laughingstock by the media. CC, I feel like you've insinuated that it wasn't possible for Currie to do both. Is that true?

Would be very difficult. I think the receipt thing at the PC was honestly Currie's effort to give detail when he knew he shouldn't. That led to him fumbling around with it, made it look 100x worse. He should have just said "I am sorry, but due to FERPA and other factors, I can't get into it" and left it at that.

Don't misunderstand, I do think JC and the AthDept could have done better. There should have been a much better public explanation of the NCAA process in Pittsburgh, and there should have been better effort made with Frank over the last year or two (though I don't think it would have changed the result).

Thanks. Do you think Currie can learn from the mistakes made during this process and handle things better with future coaching searches (i.e. if/when Bill retires)? I know you're not best buds with him or anything, but you have a better window on his personality than any of us.

[naturalselection]

captain, i'm trying to read between the lines.  one simple question - is k-state in danger of sanctions because of the actions of Frank Martin and/or his staff?

Don't know yet.

WTF man, really?  Were there violations?  Has there been a report by the university?  Is there an investigation on going by the university?  NCAA?

You do realize this comes off as fear mongering cc?

[bruce]

I choose to believe this is all fear mongering unless there is one shred of evidence provided.  JC is slime, a liar, a manipulator.  If he touches the football hire crap will burn (and not like some said it will burn last week but it didn't, it really will burn). 

[0.42]

I choose to believe this is all fear mongering unless there is one shred of evidence provided.  JC is slime, a liar, a manipulator.  If he touches the football hire crap will burn (and not like some said it will burn last week but it didn't, it really will burn).

Unless CC is lying to us and he's being paid by Currie to spin things for us here (possible, but unlikely), I believe him when he says he can't go into any more detail than he has.

[Catchup]

Unless CC is lying to us and he's being paid by Currie to spin things for us here (possible, but unlikely), I believe him when he says he can't go into any more detail than he has.
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You believe him, unless he is lying. noted.

[bruce]

I choose to believe this is all fear mongering unless there is one shred of evidence provided.  JC is slime, a liar, a manipulator.  If he touches the football hire crap will burn (and not like some said it will burn last week but it didn't, it really will burn).

Unless CC is lying to us and he's being paid by Currie to spin things for us here (possible, but unlikely), I believe him when he says he can't go into any more detail than he has.

Agree to disagree.  I have no reason to believe anything that comes out of the AD and wouldn't be surprised if they had a guy or two to spin things.  They haven't exactly been 100% honest lately. 

[kso_FAN]

I choose to believe this is all fear mongering unless there is one shred of evidence provided.  JC is slime, a liar, a manipulator.  If he touches the football hire crap will burn (and not like some said it will burn last week but it didn't, it really will burn).

Unless CC is lying to us and he's being paid by Currie to spin things for us here (possible, but unlikely), I believe him when he says he can't go into any more detail than he has.

CC has never gained by posting here and he isn't now. Of course he has some bias because everyone of us does, but I truly believe he's trying to be as honest as he can be. That doesn't mean anyone has to agree with what he says, but I don't think he's trying to do any overt spin.

[8manpick]

I've pointed out that Currie and by extension the AthDept could have and should have done better with things over the last month. I'm also privy to information surrounding those events that you are not, and I know the result of that is that you and I will have different interpretations. I don't expect you to ever be real happy with Jamargate or Frank's exit, because odds are you will only have the current public info -- which doesn't paint a pretty picture of K-State. I've tried to give as much insight as possible to help provide context, at risk to me.

This is my biggest problem with the way our AD has handled this.  Image is everything, and ours is bad right now.  I believe that if there is any more information that could be released that would put us in a better light, it should be released.  A major part of the athletic department's job is spin.  Transparency be damned.  I couldn't give two shits whether or not we are transparent, I want us to look good.  We have failed miserably over the last month at making ourselves look good.

[captaincrap]

captain, i'm trying to read between the lines.  one simple question - is k-state in danger of sanctions because of the actions of Frank Martin and/or his staff?

Don't know yet.

WTF man, really?  Were there violations?  Has there been a report by the university?  Is there an investigation on going by the university?  NCAA?

You do realize this comes off as fear mongering cc?

Truly sorry. I would give you more if I could, but I think if I went into any detail on it I'd get some blowback.

About all I can say is that there are ongoing conversations, with outcomes undetermined right now.

[captaincrap]

I've pointed out that Currie and by extension the AthDept could have and should have done better with things over the last month. I'm also privy to information surrounding those events that you are not, and I know the result of that is that you and I will have different interpretations. I don't expect you to ever be real happy with Jamargate or Frank's exit, because odds are you will only have the current public info -- which doesn't paint a pretty picture of K-State. I've tried to give as much insight as possible to help provide context, at risk to me.

This is my biggest problem with the way our AD has handled this.  Image is everything, and ours is bad right now.  I believe that if there is any more information that could be released that would put us in a better light, it should be released.  A major part of the athletic department's job is spin.  Transparency be damned.  I couldn't give two shits whether or not we are transparent, I want us to look good.  We have failed miserably over the last month at making ourselves look good.

Don't disagree. I might quibble with you a bit over just how bad we look nationally outside of a few writers who are loyal to Frank, but your larger point is fair.

[Kat Kid]

captain, i'm trying to read between the lines.  one simple question - is k-state in danger of sanctions because of the actions of Frank Martin and/or his staff?

Don't know yet.

WTF man, really?  Were there violations?  Has there been a report by the university?  Is there an investigation on going by the university?  NCAA?

You do realize this comes off as fear mongering cc?

Truly sorry. I would give you more if I could, but I think if I went into any detail on it I'd get some blowback.

About all I can say is that there are ongoing conversations, with outcomes undetermined right now.

My guess:  Curtis Malone did not suddenly get the urge to send a one-time only payment to Jamar Samuels.

[0.42]

I choose to believe this is all fear mongering unless there is one shred of evidence provided.  JC is slime, a liar, a manipulator.  If he touches the football hire crap will burn (and not like some said it will burn last week but it didn't, it really will burn).

Unless CC is lying to us and he's being paid by Currie to spin things for us here (possible, but unlikely), I believe him when he says he can't go into any more detail than he has.

CC has never gained by posting here and he isn't now. Of course he has some bias because everyone of us does, but I truly believe he's trying to be as honest as he can be. That doesn't mean anyone has to agree with what he says, but I don't think he's trying to do any overt spin.

Yeah, this. I have a really hard time believing that Currie and Schulz give enough of a crap about us to pay CC to post here.

You believe him, unless he is lying. noted.

Well there's no way for us to really know, but if you look at the context in which he is posting, it doesn't make sense for him to deliberately try to lie to us. That is unless you think Currie is enough of a control freak to try and put propaganda on here, in which case, I can see why you wouldn't believe him. I don't fault you for thinking so given what's come out this past week, but think about it. Currie has shown that he doesn't give two shits about us, so why would he send CC here?