George Zimmerman is a piece of crap

[ltrain]

Haven't been following the trial all that closely...did Zimm ever identify himself as a neighborhood watch guy or did he just try to stalk TM in silence?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Haven't been following the trial all that closely...did Zimm ever identify himself as a neighborhood watch guy or did he just try to stalk TM in silence?

According to Zimmerman, he did not. That is, unless he wants to change the story he told the police officer.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Dummy lawyer doing the questioning right now keeps using the word "evidence" as a verb when he means "evince."

Pro tip: evidence can be used as a verb, and often is in the legal profession.

[Dugout DickStone]

god rough ridin' damnit. she saw me coming with my gun and started running and was just honestly too fast and i couldn't catch her. almost like she was a rough ridin' god damn runner or athlete or something and of course i had my gun so i couldn't run as fast as i normally would/could. note to self-get holster for gun to run faster when chasing people with it.

I don't understand why you don't get in your pickup to do this tailing of these perps?

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I've got a little more confidence that the State can get this now that I'm seeing Zimmerman's police interviews being played in court.  Also clears up why the Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund Team was trying to suppress them.  I'd figured they'd want Zimmerman's tale told as often as possible.

[Dugout DickStone]

god rough ridin' damnit. she saw me coming with my gun and started running and was just honestly too fast and i couldn't catch her. almost like she was a rough ridin' god damn runner or athlete or something and of course i had my gun so i couldn't run as fast as i normally would/could. note to self-get holster for gun to run faster when chasing people with it.

I don't understand why you don't get in your pickup to do this tailing of these perps?

This allows for you to get out of the truck to look for street signs in your neighborhood.  I often forget the streets a few blocks from my house and find that getting out of my vehicle helps me find the identities of those streets easier/quicker.

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[EllRobersonisInnocent]

The pinnacle of Ice T's career, imo

[SkinnyBenny]

Dummy lawyer doing the questioning right now keeps using the word "evidence" as a verb when he means "evince."

Pro tip: evidence can be used as a verb, and often is in the legal profession.

Evince is obviously the better choice, though. But whatevs. I don't care that much about this one.

What did you guys think of the cop on the stand today?

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Dummy lawyer doing the questioning right now keeps using the word "evidence" as a verb when he means "evince."

Pro tip: evidence can be used as a verb, and often is in the legal profession.

Evince is obviously the better choice, though. But whatevs. I don't care that much about this one.

What did you guys think of the cop on the stand today?

The one right now?  I love him.

http://www.redding.com/news/2013/jul/01/live-streaming-video-fbi-audio-expert-testifies-zi/

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Not sure if I could stay awake sitting in a courtroom for 8-10 hours

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Not sure if I could stay awake sitting in a courtroom for 8-10 hours

Could you kill a man?

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Not sure if I could stay awake sitting in a courtroom for 8-10 hours

Could you kill a man?

I'm a lover, not a fighter.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I've got a little more confidence that the State can get this now that I'm seeing Zimmerman's police interviews being played in court.  Also clears up why the Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund Team was trying to suppress them.  I'd figured they'd want Zimmerman's tale told as often as possible.

Huh. I get the exact opposite impression. Seems his story stayed remarkably consistent through 3-4 lengthy interviews, plus a video reenactment, all of which he performed voluntarily without request for legal counsel. If anything, I'm starting to better appreciate why the Sanford PD didn't charge him initially (that, and the lie detector test he supposedly passed).

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Here is today's testimony from the first officer on the scene:

Zimmerman told the police officer that he lost track of Martin and got out of his truck to look for a street name he could relay to police dispatcher. When the dispatcher suggested Zimmerman didn't need to follow Martin, Zimmerman started to head back to his vehicle. At that point, Zimmerman said Martin jumped out of some bushes, punched him and he fell to the ground.

Zimmerman said that Martin began hitting his head against the sidewalk as Zimmerman yelled for help and that Martin told him, "You're going to die tonight."

With Zimmerman's shirt and jacket pushed up during the struggle and his holstered gun now visible, he thought Martin was reaching for his firearm holstered around his waist. Zimmerman told the officer that he shot Martin and the teen said, "You got me."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH?SITE=CASTO&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

I 100% believe Zimmerman said those things to the cop.

Yeah. Love how everyone on GZ's side automatically takes that as being a depiction of what actually happened.

I posted without comment and for informational purposes only. Not on either side until all the info comes out.

['taterblast]

really not sure what to believe. what zimmerman says he did means little to me, he could absolutely be lying and fabricating how it all went down. "beyond a reasonable doubt" however seems pretty out of the question at this point though.

[Dugout DickStone]

The pinnacle of Ice T's career, imo

and the lowlight of Rutger Hauer's

[Asteriskhead]

Huh. I get the exact opposite impression. Seems his story stayed remarkably consistent through 3-4 lengthy interviews, plus a video reenactment, all of which he performed voluntarily without request for legal counsel. If anything, I'm starting to better appreciate why the Sanford PD didn't charge him initially (that, and the lie detector test he supposedly passed).

 

[Rage Against the McKee]

really not sure what to believe. what zimmerman says he did means little to me, he could absolutely be lying and fabricating how it all went down. "beyond a reasonable doubt" however seems pretty out of the question at this point though.

I don't think it's reasonable to believe that Zimmerman's life was in danger. I also don't think Zimmerman did anything at all to try to keep Martin alive after he shot him, which is pretty awful, considering that Zimmerman wasn't even in danger of getting punched a few times at that point, and he was the party responsible for the death.

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I've got a little more confidence that the State can get this now that I'm seeing Zimmerman's police interviews being played in court.  Also clears up why the Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund Team was trying to suppress them.  I'd figured they'd want Zimmerman's tale told as often as possible.

Huh. I get the exact opposite impression. Seems his story stayed remarkably consistent through 3-4 lengthy interviews, plus a video reenactment, all of which he performed voluntarily without request for legal counsel. If anything, I'm starting to better appreciate why the Sanford PD didn't charge him initially (that, and the lie detector test he supposedly passed).

Well, I can see him making the statements now and, as jurors do, measure his credibility.

Same reason I want to PAK with you so I can see you say the things you post here and decide for myself if you're just rough ridin' with everyone here, actually believe it, or have some other motivation.

EDIT: That actually should say "... or actually believe it, and if so, what your motivation is."

['taterblast]

really not sure what to believe. what zimmerman says he did means little to me, he could absolutely be lying and fabricating how it all went down. "beyond a reasonable doubt" however seems pretty out of the question at this point though.

I don't think it's reasonable to believe that Zimmerman's life was in danger. I also don't think Zimmerman did anything at all to try to keep Martin alive after he shot him, which is pretty awful, considering that Zimmerman wasn't even in danger of getting punched a few times at that point, and he was the party responsible for the death.

he (at least acted like he) didn't know martin had died when they told him at the police station. he claims his head was being pounded against concrete. like i said, i'm not saying i believe him, but i just don't know that they can absolutely prove he is lying, which makes it so so unlikely imo that a jury would convict.

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Look at this guy!



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[michigancat]

Here is today's testimony from the first officer on the scene:

Zimmerman told the police officer that he lost track of Martin and got out of his truck to look for a street name he could relay to police dispatcher. When the dispatcher suggested Zimmerman didn't need to follow Martin, Zimmerman started to head back to his vehicle. At that point, Zimmerman said Martin jumped out of some bushes, punched him and he fell to the ground.

Zimmerman said that Martin began hitting his head against the sidewalk as Zimmerman yelled for help and that Martin told him, "You're going to die tonight."

With Zimmerman's shirt and jacket pushed up during the struggle and his holstered gun now visible, he thought Martin was reaching for his firearm holstered around his waist. Zimmerman told the officer that he shot Martin and the teen said, "You got me."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH?SITE=CASTO&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Did he tell the dispatcher he was looking for a street sign, or am I missing something? Weird for him to tell them to call back, too.

[Dugout DickStone]

really not sure what to believe. what zimmerman says he did means little to me, he could absolutely be lying and fabricating how it all went down. "beyond a reasonable doubt" however seems pretty out of the question at this point though.

I don't think it's reasonable to believe that Zimmerman's life was in danger. I also don't think Zimmerman did anything at all to try to keep Martin alive after he shot him, which is pretty awful, considering that Zimmerman wasn't even in danger of getting punched a few times at that point, and he was the party responsible for the death.

he (at least acted like he) didn't know martin had died when they told him at the police station. he claims his head was being pounded against concrete. like i said, i'm not saying i believe him, but i just don't know that they can absolutely prove he is lying, which makes it so so unlikely imo that a jury would convict.

uh, TM admitted "you got me" after GZ shot him so I am pretty sure GZ knew it was a death shot.

[EMAWmeister]

I don't fault him for getting a little suspicious of a guy that pops out from in between two houses, but to leave your truck and follow the guy that you told a 911 dispatcher was walking towards you and reaching into his waistband (as if he had a gun) is just the dumbest rough ridin' thing in the world. No one does that.