George Zimmerman is a piece of crap

[michigancat]

I don't there is a Team Trayvon and a Team George here. I think we have a Team What We Think Happened and a Team What Can Be Proved in Court. (cept emo is team george)

no, there's clearly a Team George.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that everyone on Team Zimmerman is a gun nut conservative.

I'm as far opposite as can be

Well, good.  At least you're forming your own, independent opinion.  I respect that.  I guess what I don't understand is how you can come to the conclusion that death was justified in this case.  As a citizen, I prefer to see justice prevail.  Murdering an unarmed civilian in the middle of the night, simply because you suspected them of wrongdoing, isn't justified.

Death was not justified but neither is a conviction of 2nd degree murder. Like I said earlier, Manslaughter should be the charge here

[Rage Against the McKee]

If you honestly think he "stalked" Martin with the intention of killing him then you are rough ridin' high. He's a wanna-be cop neighborhood watch volunteer in a neighborhood that had multiple robberies commited by African American males in the last year. At the time, he has no idea who Trayvon is because Trayvon DOES NOT LIVE THERE so forgive him for being a little suspicious. He has no idea that Martin is not armed, he has no idea what Martin's intentions are. For all he knew, Martin could have just robbed a house and was calmly walking away

yeah, Martin also could have been walking back to his dad's house after getting some skittles for all Zimmerman knew. NO WAY FOR HIM TO KNOW SO I'M GLAD HE ERRED ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION

Which is why he walked up and asked "what are you doing here?" I still don't see what's so unreasonable about that, and even if it were, how it would justify getting attacked (if that's what happened). Again, the last we know is that Zimmerman asked a question and the phone hit the ground. What is the evidence that Zimmerman initiated the physical contact?

Don't you think the most likely scenario is that Zimmerman grabbed Martin and yelled "What are you doing here?" I mean, that would start a shoving match that leads to a fight, and he had to be close enough to Martin for his girlfriend to clearly hear what he said. I really doubt that Zimmerman just walked up and politely asked Martin why he was there.

[SkinnyBenny]

Beams bringing the heat. Yes or no q
Uestion for Zimm supporters: if GZ receives no punishment at all for this, will you feel that justice has been served?

Conversely, if Zimmerman does receive punishment, will you feel it was a miscarriage of justice?

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Shouldn't the NSA jump in here with the recording of the Rachel-Trayvon phone call?

The Utah facility isn't done yet.

[felix rex]

I don't there is a Team Trayvon and a Team George here. I think we have a Team What We Think Happened and a Team What Can Be Proved in Court. (cept emo is team george)

no, there's clearly a Team George.

Yeah. And it's really weird. Because he is an unlikeable guy. That HAS to be an awkward team to be on.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Beams bringing the heat. Yes or no q
Uestion for Zimm supporters: if GZ receives no punishment at all for this, will you feel that justice has been served?

Conversely, if Zimmerman does receive punishment, will you feel it was a miscarriage of justice?

GZ deserves some sort of punishment but not 25-life, not even close

[Rage Against the McKee]

Would you guys feel differently about this case if Zimmerman were a police officer?

[felix rex]

Would you guys feel differently about this case if Zimmerman were a police officer?

What if he was a ninja?

[michigancat]

I don't there is a Team Trayvon and a Team George here. I think we have a Team What We Think Happened and a Team What Can Be Proved in Court. (cept emo is team george)

no, there's clearly a Team George.

Yeah. And it's really weird. Because he is an unlikeable guy. That HAS to be an awkward team to be on.

yeah. He isn't just unlikeable, he killed a guy.

[felix rex]

And I mean like a certified ninja with all the paperwork.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Would you guys feel differently about this case if Zimmerman were a police officer?

What if he was a ninja?

In his mind, I think he was. I know it's completely irrelevant, but I think it would be a good social experiment to see if people who support Zimmerman would hold a cop to a higher standard. Of course, you would have to be a pretty shitty cop to ever find yourself in the position Zimmerman was in in the first place.

[felix rex]

I don't there is a Team Trayvon and a Team George here. I think we have a Team What We Think Happened and a Team What Can Be Proved in Court. (cept emo is team george)

no, there's clearly a Team George.

Yeah. And it's really weird. Because he is an unlikeable guy. That HAS to be an awkward team to be on.

yeah. He isn't just unlikeable, he killed a guy.

Exactly. He was already extremely unlikeable. And THEN he killed a guy. That is just a lot of baggage.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't there is a Team Trayvon and a Team George here. I think we have a Team What We Think Happened and a Team What Can Be Proved in Court. (cept emo is team george)

no, there's clearly a Team George.

Yeah. And it's really weird. Because he is an unlikeable guy. That HAS to be an awkward team to be on.

yeah. He isn't just unlikeable, he killed a guy.

Exactly. He was already extremely unlikeable. And THEN he killed a guy. That is just a lot of baggage.

And he's really fat now, too.

[felix rex]

Would you guys feel differently about this case if Zimmerman were a police officer?

What if he was a ninja?

In his mind, I think he was.

Please note addendum RE paperwork

[michigancat]

I don't there is a Team Trayvon and a Team George here. I think we have a Team What We Think Happened and a Team What Can Be Proved in Court. (cept emo is team george)

no, there's clearly a Team George.

Yeah. And it's really weird. Because he is an unlikeable guy. That HAS to be an awkward team to be on.

yeah. He isn't just unlikeable, he killed a guy.

Exactly. He was already extremely unlikeable. And THEN he killed a guy. That is just a lot of baggage.

And he's really fat now, too.

bet he did nothing but sit on his couch with enormous, soft cushions watching Friday Night Lights on Netflix for the last year.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't there is a Team Trayvon and a Team George here. I think we have a Team What We Think Happened and a Team What Can Be Proved in Court. (cept emo is team george)

no, there's clearly a Team George.

Yeah. And it's really weird. Because he is an unlikeable guy. That HAS to be an awkward team to be on.

yeah. He isn't just unlikeable, he killed a guy.

Exactly. He was already extremely unlikeable. And THEN he killed a guy. That is just a lot of baggage.

And he's really fat now, too.

bet he did nothing but sit on his couch with enormous, soft cushions watching Friday Night Lights on Netflix for the last year.

He probably watched every episode of Law and Order ever aired.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Which is why he walked up and asked "what are you doing here?" I still don't see what's so unreasonable about that, and even if it were, how it would justify getting attacked (if that's what happened). Again, the last we know is that Zimmerman asked a question and the phone hit the ground. What is the evidence that Zimmerman initiated the physical contact?

So you're certain that (because the only other true witness is dead) George Zimmerman must be telling the truth about this?

No, this is what "Dee Dee" says she heard. She is pro-Martin, so why would she lie about that?

[Skipper44]

I don't there is a Team Trayvon and a Team George here. I think we have a Team What We Think Happened and a Team What Can Be Proved in Court. (cept emo is team george)

no, there's clearly a Team George.

Yeah. And it's really weird. Because he is an unlikeable guy. That HAS to be an awkward team to be on.

yeah. He isn't just unlikeable, he killed a guy.

Exactly. He was already extremely unlikeable. And THEN he killed a guy. That is just a lot of baggage.

And he's really fat now, too.

bet he did nothing but sit on his couch with enormous, soft cushions watching Friday Night Lights on Netflix for the last year.

He probably watched every episode of Law and Order ever aired.

he must kick himself every time they discuss carrying a throw down

[MakeItRain]

If you honestly think he "stalked" Martin with the intention of killing him then you are rough ridin' high. He's a wanna-be cop neighborhood watch volunteer in a neighborhood that had multiple robberies commited by African American males in the last year. At the time, he has no idea who Trayvon is because Trayvon DOES NOT LIVE THERE so forgive him for being a little suspicious. He has no idea that Martin is not armed, he has no idea what Martin's intentions are. For all he knew, Martin could have just robbed a house and was calmly walking away

yeah, Martin also could have been walking back to his dad's house after getting some skittles for all Zimmerman knew. NO WAY FOR HIM TO KNOW SO I'M GLAD HE ERRED ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION

I love how everyone ignores the facts about what happened in this neighborhood in the recent months like it doesn't matter

House and vehicle break ins are frequent occurrences in most zip codes in the country. Should I have approached you like you were a felonious thug and subsequently shot you when you objected when you walked by my car two Saturdays ago?

[Stevesie60]

I don't really think that George stalked Martin with the intent to murder him. I do think that he had a pistol packing tough guy complex and was unafraid of initiating a conflict because he knew he was carrying a gun.


I think you guys (ell, ksuw) are right in that, from the perspective of a juror, there is no way he is convicted of murder in this case.

If you honestly think George made the right call here, then I am sad.

I'm sure a lot of this has been said or hinted at, but I thought this post summed up everything pretty nicely. At least from how I feel.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that everyone on Team Zimmerman is a gun nut conservative.

I'm as far opposite as can be

Well, good.  At least you're forming your own, independent opinion.  I respect that.  I guess what I don't understand is how you can come to the conclusion that death was justified in this case.  As a citizen, I prefer to see justice prevail.  Murdering an unarmed civilian in the middle of the night, simply because you suspected them of wrongdoing, isn't justified.

Well said.

[michigancat]

I don't there is a Team Trayvon and a Team George here. I think we have a Team What We Think Happened and a Team What Can Be Proved in Court. (cept emo is team george)

no, there's clearly a Team George.

Yeah. And it's really weird. Because he is an unlikeable guy. That HAS to be an awkward team to be on.

yeah. He isn't just unlikeable, he killed a guy.

Exactly. He was already extremely unlikeable. And THEN he killed a guy. That is just a lot of baggage.

And he's really fat now, too.

bet he did nothing but sit on his couch with enormous, soft cushions watching Friday Night Lights on Netflix for the last year.

He probably watched every episode of Law and Order ever aired.

he must kick himself every time they discuss carrying a throw down

oh god, when they had to go to the rough ridin' judge to get a warrant. FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Which is why he walked up and asked "what are you doing here?" I still don't see what's so unreasonable about that, and even if it were, how it would justify getting attacked (if that's what happened). Again, the last we know is that Zimmerman asked a question and the phone hit the ground. What is the evidence that Zimmerman initiated the physical contact?

Don't you think the most likely scenario is that Zimmerman grabbed Martin and yelled "What are you doing here?" I mean, that would start a shoving match that leads to a fight, and he had to be close enough to Martin for his girlfriend to clearly hear what he said. I really doubt that Zimmerman just walked up and politely asked Martin why he was there.

I don't know about "most likely," but it's possible that's what happened. Certainly a lot more possible than the wild ass crazy pills hypothetical of Zimmerman brandishing his piece and screaming "I don't like the look or you, n-word." Make It Rain is currently working on some more of these now.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

If you honestly think he "stalked" Martin with the intention of killing him then you are rough ridin' high. He's a wanna-be cop neighborhood watch volunteer in a neighborhood that had multiple robberies commited by African American males in the last year. At the time, he has no idea who Trayvon is because Trayvon DOES NOT LIVE THERE so forgive him for being a little suspicious. He has no idea that Martin is not armed, he has no idea what Martin's intentions are. For all he knew, Martin could have just robbed a house and was calmly walking away

yeah, Martin also could have been walking back to his dad's house after getting some skittles for all Zimmerman knew. NO WAY FOR HIM TO KNOW SO I'M GLAD HE ERRED ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION

I love how everyone ignores the facts about what happened in this neighborhood in the recent months like it doesn't matter

House and vehicle break ins are frequent occurrences in most zip codes in the country. Should I have approached you like you were a felonious thug and subsequently shot you when you objected when you walked by my car two Saturdays ago?

If you had previous issues with guys in purple shirts and Justin beiber name tags, sure 

[MakeItRain]

Which is why he walked up and asked "what are you doing here?" I still don't see what's so unreasonable about that, and even if it were, how it would justify getting attacked (if that's what happened). Again, the last we know is that Zimmerman asked a question and the phone hit the ground. What is the evidence that Zimmerman initiated the physical contact?

So you're certain that (because the only other true witness is dead) George Zimmerman must be telling the truth about this?

No, this is what "Dee Dee" says she heard. She is pro-Martin, so why would she lie about that?

Hey fuckface, stop acting like that was their only interaction before Zimmerman got his ass kicked. That's the only sentence we know for a 100% fact that Zimmerman said in the altercation.  It doesn't mean that that was the only thing said. We don't even know as fact that all of Zimmerman's injuries were caused by Martin.