Frank watch 2012:

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Maybe he was loyal to his team and Jamar, and when Currie stopped rough ridin' with Frank's tie long enough to tell him he was suspending our senior from his last game, Frank decided to leave.

Would the anti-Franks be as mad if he'd just resigned over the issue without having another job in hand?

[MakeItRain]

those actions should be fireable IMO. Frank could have had the offending parties fired and left himself in a better situation. (Not sure if that make sense, but it kind of does to me).

Well Shultz is entrenched with Currie.  I'm not trying to absolve Frank from everything.  If he was completely innocent then perhaps Schultz would have taken Frank's side.  Maybe not

Can you imagine how bad it had to be to walk away from what he has to what he is going to? It would have to be bad enough that if Schulz wouldn't intervene, going public with whatever happened could have gotten Currie canned.

I see what you did there.

Also I don't think the USC job is bad is as bad as most.  It's bad no doubt, but there's no reason they can't be as good as he was here.  They should expect to be better.

[SwiftCat]

Well, thanks in part to that meek article,  I've moved straight on to eff currie mode.

[michigancat]

those actions should be fireable IMO. Frank could have had the offending parties fired and left himself in a better situation. (Not sure if that make sense, but it kind of does to me).

Well Shultz is entrenched with Currie.  I'm not trying to absolve Frank from everything.  If he was completely innocent then perhaps Schultz would have taken Frank's side.  Maybe not

Can you imagine how bad it had to be to walk away from what he has to what he is going to? It would have to be bad enough that if Schulz wouldn't intervene, going public with whatever happened could have gotten Currie canned.

I see what you did there.

Also I don't think the USC job is bad is as bad as most.  It's bad no doubt, but there's no reason they can't be as good as he was here.  They should expect to be better.

I would guess he is at least three years away from building a roster as good as the one he could have at KSU next season. Of course if all the players hate him and want him to leave, that kind of changes things.

[DQ12]

Would the anti-Franks be as mad if he'd just resigned over the issue without having another job in hand?

Although I recognize it's completely irrational, I would be less mad at Frank, for some reason.

[Dugout DickStone]

Would the anti-Franks be as mad if he'd just resigned over the issue without having another job in hand?

Any indication that Frank would ever do that?

[MakeItRain]

I would guess he is at least three years away from building a roster as good as the one he could have at KSU next season. Of course if all the players hate him and want him to leave, that kind of changes things.

Completely agree.  There is no pressure on him though, they won two conference games, they have no history.  He will have them competitive right away.  I wouldn't doubt that he makes the NCAA's in 2014 and gets a new contract.

Also he will learn from this experience and I'd be willing to bet he will correct some of the things he did here that were undesirable.

[Dugout DickStone]

I would guess he is at least three years away from building a roster as good as the one he could have at KSU next season. Of course if all the players hate him and want him to leave, that kind of changes things.

Completely agree.  There is no pressure on him though, they won two conference games, they have no history.  He will have them competitive right away.  I wouldn't doubt that he makes the NCAA's in 2014 and gets a new contract.

Also he will learn from this experience and I'd be willing to bet he will correct some of the things he did here that were undesirable.

I don't doubt this.  Mellenger's garbage opinion, Frank may have hit his ceiling here, or close to it.  For him, how could a fresh start (away from Currie and for $2.05) hurt?

[michigancat]

I would guess he is at least three years away from building a roster as good as the one he could have at KSU next season. Of course if all the players hate him and want him to leave, that kind of changes things.

Completely agree.  There is no pressure on him though, they won two conference games, they have no history.  He will have them competitive right away.  I wouldn't doubt that he makes the NCAA's in 2014 and gets a new contract.

Also he will learn from this experience and I'd be willing to bet he will correct some of the things he did here that were undesirable.

I also wouldn't be surprised if 2015 is a "make the NCAA tourney or get fired" year.

[Dugout DickStone]

I would guess he is at least three years away from building a roster as good as the one he could have at KSU next season. Of course if all the players hate him and want him to leave, that kind of changes things.

Completely agree.  There is no pressure on him though, they won two conference games, they have no history.  He will have them competitive right away.  I wouldn't doubt that he makes the NCAA's in 2014 and gets a new contract.

Also he will learn from this experience and I'd be willing to bet he will correct some of the things he did here that were undesirable.

I also wouldn't be surprised if 2015 is a "make the NCAA tourney or get fired" year.

$2.05 is a LOT of cake for perpetual rebuilding.

[MakeItRain]

I would guess he is at least three years away from building a roster as good as the one he could have at KSU next season. Of course if all the players hate him and want him to leave, that kind of changes things.

Completely agree.  There is no pressure on him though, they won two conference games, they have no history.  He will have them competitive right away.  I wouldn't doubt that he makes the NCAA's in 2014 and gets a new contract.

Also he will learn from this experience and I'd be willing to bet he will correct some of the things he did here that were undesirable.

I also wouldn't be surprised if 2015 is a "make the NCAA tourney or get fired" year.

I don't think so.  The only way is if he makes the NIT the next two years.  They have a long way to go.  If he gets fired after three years it would be the best Currie validation.  There is no way a team that went 2-14 would fire another coach in three years for strictly basketball performance issues.

[michigancat]

I would guess he is at least three years away from building a roster as good as the one he could have at KSU next season. Of course if all the players hate him and want him to leave, that kind of changes things.

Completely agree.  There is no pressure on him though, they won two conference games, they have no history.  He will have them competitive right away.  I wouldn't doubt that he makes the NCAA's in 2014 and gets a new contract.

Also he will learn from this experience and I'd be willing to bet he will correct some of the things he did here that were undesirable.

I also wouldn't be surprised if 2015 is a "make the NCAA tourney or get fired" year.

I don't think so.  The only way is if he makes the NIT the next two years.  They have a long way to go.  If he gets fired after three years it would be the best Currie validation.  There is no way a team that went 2-14 would fire another coach in three years for strictly basketball performance issues.

I was sucking at math. I meant to say I can see him getting no NCAA his first three seasons and year 4 will be make-or-break. His recruiting will be interesting.

[AbeFroman]

Currie’s emphasis on branding and public relations didn’t square with Martin’s regular-guy persona. The tension manifested itself in myriad ways, from lectures on sideline decorum to Currie straightening Martin’s tie before a postgame news conference.

I am dying imagining this. Frank was probably so pissed. 

The breaking point was when Currie licked his thumb and tried to rub a smudge off Frank's cheek. Martin said "That's my scar"

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Would the anti-Franks be as mad if he'd just resigned over the issue without having another job in hand?

Any indication that Frank would ever do that?

The seeming indifference on his end of negotiating with KSU, even with having leverage in the form of a $2m offer in hand.  He was leaving, South Carolina or TV or whatever.  And factoring in TV, as a practical matter, he did have a job in hand.  If he'd quit in the Syracuse postgame and there were no coaching jobs available, last weekend would've been his first week on the job rather than a guest appearance.

[sys]

only a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) is loyal to someone who hates you.

[waks]

I would guess he is at least three years away from building a roster as good as the one he could have at KSU next season. Of course if all the players hate him and want him to leave, that kind of changes things.

Completely agree.  There is no pressure on him though, they won two conference games, they have no history.  He will have them competitive right away.  I wouldn't doubt that he makes the NCAA's in 2014 and gets a new contract.

Also he will learn from this experience and I'd be willing to bet he will correct some of the things he did here that were undesirable.

I also wouldn't be surprised if 2015 is a "make the NCAA tourney or get fired" year.

I agree. When Frank started out in his first year he had the best recruiting class K-State has ever seen. His recruiting has been Woolyesque at best since. Now he is starting over with a team that lost to the likes of Tennessee State and Elon and finished at the bottom of the SEC. If he doesn't convince Upshaw to sign there along with getting a couple of big transfers then I can't see him climbing out of the bottom of the SEC.

[michigancat]

I would guess he is at least three years away from building a roster as good as the one he could have at KSU next season. Of course if all the players hate him and want him to leave, that kind of changes things.

Completely agree.  There is no pressure on him though, they won two conference games, they have no history.  He will have them competitive right away.  I wouldn't doubt that he makes the NCAA's in 2014 and gets a new contract.

Also he will learn from this experience and I'd be willing to bet he will correct some of the things he did here that were undesirable.

I also wouldn't be surprised if 2015 is a "make the NCAA tourney or get fired" year.

I agree. When Frank started out in his first year he had the best recruiting class K-State has ever seen. His recruiting has been Woolyesque at best since. Now he is starting over with a team that lost to the likes of Tennessee State and Elon and finished at the bottom of the SEC. If he doesn't convince Upshaw to sign there along with getting a couple of big transfers then I can't see him climbing out of the bottom of the SEC.

Also the division includes UK, UF, Vandy, and MU. Not sure how they will schedule bball but those aren't Nortards.

[MakeItRain]

I agree. When Frank started out in his first year he had the best recruiting class K-State has ever seen. His recruiting has been Woolyesque at best since.

he was gifted literally two players and they left after his first season, arguably his worst.  If you contend that his recruiting was Woolyesque, isn't that a argument for his success at USC?  Unless you think the flight into Charleston will make him forget how to coach.

[michigancat]

yeah, his recruiting was much better than wooly's and was getting better. But who knows how it will go @USC. I'm almost done caring about this bad person, so whatever.

[nicname]

I would guess he is at least three years away from building a roster as good as the one he could have at KSU next season. Of course if all the players hate him and want him to leave, that kind of changes things.

Completely agree.  There is no pressure on him though, they won two conference games, they have no history.  He will have them competitive right away.  I wouldn't doubt that he makes the NCAA's in 2014 and gets a new contract.

Also he will learn from this experience and I'd be willing to bet he will correct some of the things he did here that were undesirable.

It reminds me of a conversation I had with someone on the board while watching the TTU game this year.  I wondered what it would be like watching Frank try to coach an inherited mess like the once Billy G took over.  Well, SC isn't as bad a TTU but they are still pretty damn putrid, so I' guessing we will find out.

[MakeItRain]

I would guess he is at least three years away from building a roster as good as the one he could have at KSU next season. Of course if all the players hate him and want him to leave, that kind of changes things.

Completely agree.  There is no pressure on him though, they won two conference games, they have no history.  He will have them competitive right away.  I wouldn't doubt that he makes the NCAA's in 2014 and gets a new contract.

Also he will learn from this experience and I'd be willing to bet he will correct some of the things he did here that were undesirable.

It reminds me of a conversation I had with someone on the board while watching the TTU game this year.  I wondered what it would be like watching Frank try to coach an inherited mess like the once Billy G took over.  Well, SC isn't as bad a TTU but they are still pretty damn putrid, so I' guessing we will find out.

[kstater]

Many of you have very disturbing opinions of the South and from them I can tell that few of you have lived there for any real amount of time. I'd suggest that you guys visit but I'd rather you not with the kinds of attitudes you have.

Really though, no one can see the problems with the arguments you've been making?...

...There have been racists in the South therefore all Southerners must be racist....There is a Confederate flag on Government property in SC therefore all people from that State are racist and hate interracial marriage.

Who's actually prejudiced here? Wait I know, I know...its me.

Lived in PigaggieVille for almost 10 years.  Pro Tip:  The racist stuff is very much true.

[BigCatbacker]

Lived in PigaggieVille for almost 10 years.  Pro Tip:  The racist stuff is very much true.

My wife has family in SC, a cousin who went to Clemson and a cousin who went to USC. The one who went to USC is much more racist, and that's saying something. Went to a house party at his place a few years ago, learned a lot of new racist jokes. Very uncomfortable.

[catzacker]

only a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) is loyal to someone who hates you.

irony and hypocrisy all rolled up into one.

[chum1]

only a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) is loyal to someone who hates you.

irony and hypocrisy all rolled up into one.

wow.