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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2425 on: March 26, 2012, 11:29:04 PM »
The loyalty talking point might be well deserved, but frank was somewhat loyal during his tenure here (save the miami thing and this whole debacle)

Could it be that he was loyal to a fault, and once currie betrayed his loyalty to the university* he felt wronged and decided to make a change to a new place that he thought might be more loyal in return.


*not saying I necessarily believe any of this, just thought it was worth thinking about, but :combofuck: frank and currie for the way this all unfolded

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2426 on: March 26, 2012, 11:30:15 PM »
Maybe his power and success have been increasingly corrupting and perverting him ( I guess this is obvious now). Jake wouldn't even recognize the man Frank is today.

Oh eff off.  Don't act like you know what the eff Jake does/would think.

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« Reply #2427 on: March 26, 2012, 11:32:08 PM »
http://cjonline.com/sports/2012-03-26/fissures-ran-deep-martin-currie

Two years ago, Frank Martin sat behind a microphone, eyes puffy from tears, and marveled at the kind of country where a Cuban kid from Miami could grow up to be a millionaire.

Sitting to his right was John Currie, the athletic director who had just signed Martin to a long-term contract at Kansas State.

“I told John from Day One, I said, ‘I want to be the guy that grows old with you here,’ ” Martin said. “I told him that I didn’t want him to offer me a contract because it’s en vogue. I want to do it because you believe in me.

“It just goes to show that if you try to do right by people and do your job, good things can happen to you.”

Even in that picturesque moment, though, fissures were forming. Currie said during the news conference that he would meet with Martin later to determine salary increases for K-State’s assistant coaches. When the numbers came in, Martin believed the assistants had been promised more money during contract negotiations.

That was one of many times Martin didn’t see eye-to-eye with his athletic director during the three years they worked together at K-State. As a result, South Carolina will stage a different kind of news conference Tuesday morning, where the school is expected to introduce Martin as its next basketball coach.

Even before Martin’s move to South Carolina became imminent, sources said it was clear the relationship between Martin and Currie had been damaged beyond repair.

“The description of the toxic nature of Currie and Martin, I can’t imagine how you could salvage it with money or years on the contract,” said a source familiar with the relationship. “Somebody would have to swallow hard.”

*****

K-State hired Currie in 2009 in the wake of financial scandals that left fans craving responsible leadership. The previous athletic director, Bob Krause, had resigned amid revelations of expensive buyouts given to former employees, including the so-called secret agreement drafted for football coach Ron Prince.

Charged with cleaning up K-State’s image, Currie stressed a platform of transparency and fiscal accountability. The buttoned-down approach was at odds, however, with the rough edges that endeared Martin to many Wildcat fans.

If the relationship wasn’t strained at first, conflict was inevitable.

“There was the predictable playing nice together in the sandbox until the F-bomb dropped in the game or something ran afoul of something Currie was all about,” one source said.

Currie’s emphasis on branding and public relations didn’t square with Martin’s regular-guy persona. The tension manifested itself in myriad ways, from lectures on sideline decorum to Currie straightening Martin’s tie before a postgame news conference.

Martin resented what he viewed as micromanaging, sources said, and became suspicious of Currie’s motives. Neither Currie nor Martin returned repeated phone calls and text messages from The Capital-Journal.

“It’s been a constant fight,” said a source close to Martin. “Frank had to bite his tongue to be there as long as he did.”

Among Currie’s early moves was the hiring of Jamie Vaughn as associate athletic director for compliance. Currie gave K-State’s compliance office far-reaching authority to interpret NCAA rules, sources said, which led to more disagreements. Some were minor, like the implications of donating an autographed basketball to the Boys & Girls Club.

Others were more substantial, including the incident that proved to be the tipping point for Currie and Martin.

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K-State had just finished a film session the night before the Wildcats were to face No. 1 Syracuse in the NCAA Tournament. That’s when Currie approached Martin and, according to sources familiar with the conversation, informed him senior Jamar Samuels wouldn’t play after accepting a $200 wire transfer from a former AAU coach.

Martin was upset by the decision, the timing and the fact that he wasn’t given a chance to voice his opinion. After K-State lost 75-59 to Syracuse the next day, Martin didn’t hide his displeasure during the postgame news conference.

“He has, in my opinion, done nothing wrong,” Martin said, referring to Samuels. “You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.

“Please don’t ask me any questions on it, because I had nothing to do with the decision. Any questions pertaining to this matter, please direct to John Currie, my boss.”

Currie and Martin later had a heated exchange regarding those comments, a source said, which may have been the end of a strained relationship.

Soon after K-State’s season ended, Martin emerged as a candidate for South Carolina’s coaching vacancy. Saturday, while Martin was in New York doing studio commentary for CBS, university president Kirk Schulz emailed members of the Kansas Board of Regents to tell them South Carolina was interested in speaking to K-State’s coach.

K-State had made overtures to Martin during the season about a contract extension, but there was no concerted push to counter South Carolina’s offer, sources said.

Martin flew directly to Columbia, S.C., to meet with university officials Monday and hasn’t returned to Manhattan. Martin wasn’t in attendance when K-State’s players gathered Monday night at Bramlage Coliseum.

Currie will meet with reporters at 10 a.m. Tuesday to address K-State’s basketball program. The immediate future likely will entail a coaching search, Currie’s first in any sport at K-State.

The public nature of Currie’s rift with Martin could impact K-State’s ability to attract a top-flight coach, said one athletics source. But K-State also has made a significant commitment to basketball during Currie’s tenure, raising money for a $17 million training facility currently under construction.

“If I was a coach and I was looking for an athletic director, I’d be a big John Currie fan,” said Ed McKechnie, chairman of the Kansas regents. “I would want that guy to be an advocate for me and go raise money.”

Clearly, K-State’s basketball identity is about to change. Martin’s fiery demeanor and colorful personality defined the program for the past five years, a run that included four NCAA Tournament appearances and a trip to the Elite Eight in 2010.

Despite the appearance of outward success, the cracks ran deep for Martin.

“The single bottom line for him was he didn’t trust (Currie),” said a source familiar with the relationship. “In Frank’s mind, this was an issue of trust.”

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Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2428 on: March 26, 2012, 11:32:45 PM »
Maybe his power and success have been increasingly corrupting and perverting him ( I guess this is obvious now). Jake wouldn't even recognize the man Frank is today.

Oh eff off.  Don't act like you know what the eff Jake does/would think.

Sorry. Just expanding on my locker room mutiny / dark Jedi fantasy.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2429 on: March 26, 2012, 11:33:41 PM »
The loyalty talking point might be well deserved, but frank was somewhat loyal during his tenure here (save the miami thing and this whole debacle)

Let them keep ignoring the hometown discount he accepted two years ago and the fact he stayed here when his relationship with his boss was completely crap.  Lashing out is how some people are coping, its no big deal really.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2430 on: March 26, 2012, 11:35:32 PM »
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Currie’s emphasis on branding and public relations didn’t square with Martin’s regular-guy persona. The tension manifested itself in myriad ways, from lectures on sideline decorum to Currie straightening Martin’s tie before a postgame news conference.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2431 on: March 26, 2012, 11:35:49 PM »
Maybe his power and success have been increasingly corrupting and perverting him ( I guess this is obvious now). Jake wouldn't even recognize the man Frank is today.

Oh eff off.  Don't act like you know what the eff Jake does/would think.

Sorry. Just expanding on my locker room mutiny / dark Jedi fantasy.

Meh, my emotions are high.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2432 on: March 26, 2012, 11:36:25 PM »
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Currie’s emphasis on branding and public relations didn’t square with Martin’s regular-guy persona. The tension manifested itself in myriad ways, from lectures on sideline decorum to Currie straightening Martin’s tie before a postgame news conference.

:lol:

I am dying imagining this. Frank was probably so pissed.  :lol:
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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2433 on: March 26, 2012, 11:39:20 PM »
Some of us who are enjoying pointing out the "loyalty" comments are just doing it to point Frank is just a dude who likes money, likes people to kiss his ass, likes to do what he wants when he wants and likes to feel like a great virtuous person when he is just a crap bag like the rest of us.

I get why he left, I think we are going to hear more about the reasons as well. 

There is nothing wrong with zinging him about his obvious hypocriscy

I don't see it as hypocrisy.  If you hate lying, but tell a lie are you a hypocrite?  I believe in loyalty, when I turn in a letter of resignation this week (absolutely happening BTW), I hope my clients don't think I'm a hypocrite.  Frankly I just hate my moron bosses and want a new challenge.

You haven't been kicking me and my entire family in the head with your "loyalty" boots for 5 years either.

If you have been spouting that around the office you don't think some of the people you actually like might think you are a hypocrite?

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2434 on: March 26, 2012, 11:39:58 PM »
meek is a star. good details in that article.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2435 on: March 26, 2012, 11:40:18 PM »
The loyalty talking point might be well deserved, but frank was somewhat loyal during his tenure here (save the miami thing and this whole debacle)

Let them keep ignoring the hometown discount he accepted two years ago and the fact he stayed here when his relationship with his boss was completely crap.  Lashing out is how some people are coping, its no big deal really.

exactly... i mean its not like he has been un-loyal to this program during his *entire time here.

like you were saying earlier, if someone dislikes a person that lies, that doesn't mean that they don't lie as well, they just dislike the way that they handle things.

I'm running on about 4 hours of sleep, so if this crap makes no sense I apologize.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2436 on: March 26, 2012, 11:43:03 PM »
I'm very intrigued by the PowercatRyan story.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2437 on: March 26, 2012, 11:44:08 PM »
frank was somewhat loyal during his tenure here (save the miami thing and this whole debacle)
I mean, he passed on a few jobs that were worse than Kansas State, bitched about not being offered a job that would've made some sense for him professionally, and eventually accepted a different job worse than Kansas State.

I guess I'm missing the part where "loyalty" played a role in any decision regarding his job at Kansas State, aside from accepting the raise he was offered.  That's the laughable part about this whole thing, and that's really my point I guess, that it's funny.  He talked and talked and talked about loyalty, and I can't think of a single time Frank showed his loyalty to us.

He was looking out for number one, which is completely understandable, but it certainly doesn't fit with the "loyalty" narrative Frank Martin liked to recite.



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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2438 on: March 26, 2012, 11:46:46 PM »
frank was somewhat loyal during his tenure here (save the miami thing and this whole debacle)
I mean, he passed on a few jobs that were worse than Kansas State, bitched about not being offered a job that would've made some sense for him professionally, and eventually accepted a different job worse than Kansas State.

I guess I'm missing the part where "loyalty" played a role in any decision regarding his job at Kansas State, aside from accepting the raise he was offered.  That's the laughable part about this whole thing, and that's really my point I guess, that it's funny.  He talked and talked and talked about loyalty, and I can't think of a single time Frank showed his loyalty to us.

He was looking out for number one, which is completely understandable, but it certainly doesn't fit with the "loyalty" narrative Frank Martin liked to recite.

In hindsight I see what you are saying, but during his stay he was all about k-state.

And yes I realize that it might have all been a facade he put on simply because he was the head coach here, but it has to count for something.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2439 on: March 26, 2012, 11:52:59 PM »
Some of us who are enjoying pointing out the "loyalty" comments are just doing it to point Frank is just a dude who likes money, likes people to kiss his ass, likes to do what he wants when he wants and likes to feel like a great virtuous person when he is just a crap bag like the rest of us.

I get why he left, I think we are going to hear more about the reasons as well. 

There is nothing wrong with zinging him about his obvious hypocriscy

I don't see it as hypocrisy.  If you hate lying, but tell a lie are you a hypocrite?  I believe in loyalty, when I turn in a letter of resignation this week (absolutely happening BTW), I hope my clients don't think I'm a hypocrite.  Frankly I just hate my moron bosses and want a new challenge.

You haven't been kicking me and my entire family in the head with your "loyalty" boots for 5 years either.

If you have been spouting that around the office you don't think some of the people you actually like might think you are a hypocrite?

Well completely disregarding the fact that we might be overplaying the "loyalty" talking point, sure in your example some people might I'm a hypocrite, some might applaud me.  If I know I did my job well and performed at a high level while I was there I would hope people would be happy for what I did while I was there and respect my decision knowing they don't know everything that went into my decision.  If they couldn't do that I would be slightly disappointed but I wouldn't lose sleep.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2440 on: March 26, 2012, 11:57:09 PM »
Well completely disregarding the fact that we might be overplaying the "loyalty" talking point, sure in your example some people might I'm a hypocrite, some might applaud me.  If I know I did my job well and performed at a high level while I was there I would hope people would be happy for what I did while I was there and respect my decision knowing they don't know everything that went into my decision.  If they couldn't do that I would be slightly disappointed but I wouldn't lose sleep.

I actually agree with a lot of this. The problem is that we KNOW many, many positives in KSU's favor. There are so many positives in KSU's favor, that if a rational decision to leave based on the actions of someone at KSU, those actions should be fireable IMO. Frank could have had the offending parties fired and left himself in a better situation. (Not sure if that make sense, but it kind of does to me).

I mean I guess there is a chance that this had nothing to do w/ someone with KSU at all, there is no way we could know.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2441 on: March 26, 2012, 11:58:27 PM »
Some of us who are enjoying pointing out the "loyalty" comments are just doing it to point Frank is just a dude who likes money, likes people to kiss his ass, likes to do what he wants when he wants and likes to feel like a great virtuous person when he is just a crap bag like the rest of us.

I get why he left, I think we are going to hear more about the reasons as well. 

There is nothing wrong with zinging him about his obvious hypocriscy

I don't see it as hypocrisy.  If you hate lying, but tell a lie are you a hypocrite?  I believe in loyalty, when I turn in a letter of resignation this week (absolutely happening BTW), I hope my clients don't think I'm a hypocrite.  Frankly I just hate my moron bosses and want a new challenge.

You haven't been kicking me and my entire family in the head with your "loyalty" boots for 5 years either.

If you have been spouting that around the office you don't think some of the people you actually like might think you are a hypocrite?

Well completely disregarding the fact that we might be overplaying the "loyalty" talking point, sure in your example some people might I'm a hypocrite, some might applaud me.  If I know I did my job well and performed at a high level while I was there I would hope people would be happy for what I did while I was there and respect my decision knowing they don't know everything that went into my decision.  If they couldn't do that I would be slightly disappointed but I wouldn't lose sleep.

Most likely overplaying it right now.  I just confirmed he was leaving for a crap stain like USC so it is what sticks out tonight.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2442 on: March 27, 2012, 12:01:34 AM »
those actions should be fireable IMO. Frank could have had the offending parties fired and left himself in a better situation. (Not sure if that make sense, but it kind of does to me).

Well Shultz is entrenched with Currie.  I'm not trying to absolve Frank from everything.  If he was completely innocent then perhaps Schultz would have taken Frank's side.  Maybe not :dunno:

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2443 on: March 27, 2012, 12:02:37 AM »
Now that I think about it.  As much as I believe Currie is in the wrong, we need him to look like the good guy.

eff Frank.  Cheating piece of crap.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2444 on: March 27, 2012, 12:02:48 AM »
Hey fellas I hate to break it to you but endlessly debating this "loyalty" thing is boring as crap for the rest of us.  Please get back to good stuff, tia.   :thumbs:
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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2445 on: March 27, 2012, 12:03:46 AM »
Hey fellas I hate to break it to you but endlessly debating this "loyalty" thing is boring as crap for the rest of us.  Please get back to good stuff, tia.   :thumbs:

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Re: Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2446 on: March 27, 2012, 12:07:00 AM »
those actions should be fireable IMO. Frank could have had the offending parties fired and left himself in a better situation. (Not sure if that make sense, but it kind of does to me).

Well Shultz is entrenched with Currie.  I'm not trying to absolve Frank from everything.  If he was completely innocent then perhaps Schultz would have taken Frank's side.  Maybe not :dunno:

Can you imagine how bad it had to be to walk away from what he has to what he is going to? It would have to be bad enough that if Schulz wouldn't intervene, going public with whatever happened could have gotten Currie canned.

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Re: Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2447 on: March 27, 2012, 12:09:48 AM »
those actions should be fireable IMO. Frank could have had the offending parties fired and left himself in a better situation. (Not sure if that make sense, but it kind of does to me).

Well Shultz is entrenched with Currie.  I'm not trying to absolve Frank from everything.  If he was completely innocent then perhaps Schultz would have taken Frank's side.  Maybe not :dunno:

Can you imagine how bad it had to be to walk away from what he has to what he is going to? It would have to be bad enough that if Schulz wouldn't intervene, going public with whatever happened could have gotten Currie canned.

I mean there was tie straitening involved.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2448 on: March 27, 2012, 12:15:20 AM »
It would be stupid for him to be more loyal to K-State than it was to him.  Yes, he had fan support.  But for him, K-State was where he worked and his boss.  His boss was certainly not loyal to him, don't know why people expect Frank to put up with that crap.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #2449 on: March 27, 2012, 12:17:12 AM »
So I was back to :curse: and ready for bed, but now I'm all :popcorn: and ready for more tomorrow.

Can't wait for the press conference. Who's staying, who's going. Coaching search bbs'ing.  :love: