Frank watch 2012:

[Panjandrum]

Frank currently has free reign to build his own program.  He's got the resources.  Anybody arguing that Currie is hampering his ability to win games is delusional.

Do you think it may be that it's not about winning games and more personal?  Again, you may be awesome at your job, but if you don't like your boss and he's paying you 20% less than you'd get somewhere else, what do you think you're going to do?  Nothing?  You won't even consider polishing up your resume?

$$$ is important too.  No doubt.  But it seems like you don't often hear other major BCS coaches actively campaigning for crap jobs as a negotiating tool in contract discussions.  Why is that?  This is the 3rd time for Martin?     

This happens all of the time.  Mike Anderson got how many extensions at Mizzou before he got his dream job at Arkansas?

Look, in all forms of work, people will go out and interview if they're unhappy.  If the relationship can be salvaged, they will go back to their current employer with the new offer and say, "Can you match or exceed this?"  If yes, they stay.  If no, they go.

You're kind of building a straw man argument for how good he has it here with all of these superficial things.  What influences whether or not someone stays at a job, be it as a basketball coach or an accountant, is whether or not they like the people they work with, and the most important relationship, by far, is the one they have with their supervisor.  If that relationship is bad, it doesn't matter how good you may think they have it.

This is People Management 101.

[Belvis Noland]

Seriously, if we pay competitive $$$, why should we not expect to retain Martin forever*?  And I do believe 1.5mil in 2010 and 1.8-2mil in 2012-2013 is quite competitive. 

*exception - teams with NCAA championships in the last 2 decades. 

[Cire]

http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/revenue_stat/show_school_comparison

prolly won't have to deal with 4 ad's in 5 years either.

[Panjandrum]

Well, until he becomes "D1 basketball coach with a 2+ base salary and a boss he gets along with.  Then he becomes that exception.

Ahh, I see.  The Frank saga will conclude itself when John starts being nicer and Frank makes 2mil+. 

Until then, Frank is living out his worst nightmare here in Manhattan.  Completely understand.  Life must be tough for Frank.   

It's alarmingly clear that you do not and have not managed people in your life.

It doesn't matter if you make 35k or 1.5mil, if you feel you're being disrespected and undervalued, you will look for a situation where you don't feel that way.

People who make comments about, "Oh, no.  That poor millionaire basketball coach has it so rough," are incredibly naive.  It's not about the money.  It's about feeling that you're being disrespected and undervalued.

Until you sit in a room with someone and try to negotiate salary, you will not understand this point.  It's usually not about the money at all.  It's about feeling valued.

[Belvis Noland]

Frank currently has free reign to build his own program.  He's got the resources.  Anybody arguing that Currie is hampering his ability to win games is delusional.

Do you think it may be that it's not about winning games and more personal?  Again, you may be awesome at your job, but if you don't like your boss and he's paying you 20% less than you'd get somewhere else, what do you think you're going to do?  Nothing?  You won't even consider polishing up your resume?

$$$ is important too.  No doubt.  But it seems like you don't often hear other major BCS coaches actively campaigning for crap jobs as a negotiating tool in contract discussions.  Why is that?  This is the 3rd time for Martin?     

This happens all of the time.  Mike Anderson got how many extensions at Mizzou before he got his dream job at Arkansas?

Look, in all forms of work, people will go out and interview if they're unhappy.  If the relationship can be salvaged, they will go back to their current employer with the new offer and say, "Can you match or exceed this?"  If yes, they stay.  If no, they go.

You're kind of building a straw man argument for how good he has it here with all of these superficial things.  What influences whether or not someone stays at a job, be it as a basketball coach or an accountant, is whether or not they like the people they work with, and the most important relationship, by far, is the one they have with their supervisor.  If that relationship is bad, it doesn't matter how good you may think they have it.

This is People Management 101.

If I respected my employer (employer being KSU, not Currie), I'd approach my raise in a more tactful way than Martin.  I wouldn't express "heavy interest" in another job for the purpose of getting more money with my current employer.  Martin's going to get his raise.  We all know it.  It's just bullshit that this fanbase, that's been nothing but loyal to MArtin, has to deal with his off-season drama every year. 

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Frank currently has free reign to build his own program.  He's got the resources.  Anybody arguing that Currie is hampering his ability to win games is delusional. 

I might have used the wrong terminology.  I mean being the CEO of basketball with no Currie taking notes on how many fucks Frank says during a game or doing anything that Frank rightly or wrongly categorizes as some dorkstore meddling with his operation.  Basically being able to do whatever he wants other than actually murdering Merriewether on the sideline at Mizzou (even that maybe should be OK).

Panj is doing a good job making the points I'm making without the snark.

[Panjandrum]

Seriously, if we pay competitive $$$, why should we not expect to retain Martin forever*?  And I do believe 1.5mil in 2010 and 1.8-2mil in 2012-2013 is quite competitive. 

*exception - teams with NCAA championships in the last 2 decades.

What we pay is a competitive salary for an average coach in a BCS conference.  Frank Martin is a good coach in a BCS conference.

Also, your value is what someone else is willing to pay.  Not what you currently make.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

Frank currently has free reign to build his own program.  He's got the resources.  Anybody arguing that Currie is hampering his ability to win games is delusional.

Do you think it may be that it's not about winning games and more personal?  Again, you may be awesome at your job, but if you don't like your boss and he's paying you 20% less than you'd get somewhere else, what do you think you're going to do?  Nothing?  You won't even consider polishing up your resume?

$$$ is important too.  No doubt.  But it seems like you don't often hear other major BCS coaches actively campaigning for crap jobs as a negotiating tool in contract discussions.  Why is that?  This is the 3rd time for Martin?     

This happens all of the time.  Mike Anderson got how many extensions at Mizzou before he got his dream job at Arkansas?

Look, in all forms of work, people will go out and interview if they're unhappy.  If the relationship can be salvaged, they will go back to their current employer with the new offer and say, "Can you match or exceed this?"  If yes, they stay.  If no, they go.

You're kind of building a straw man argument for how good he has it here with all of these superficial things.  What influences whether or not someone stays at a job, be it as a basketball coach or an accountant, is whether or not they like the people they work with, and the most important relationship, by far, is the one they have with their supervisor.  If that relationship is bad, it doesn't matter how good you may think they have it.

This is People Management 101.

If I respected my employer (employer being KSU, not Currie), I'd approach my raise in a more tactful way than Martin.  I wouldn't express "heavy interest" in another job for the purpose of getting more money with my current employer.  Martin's going to get his raise.  We all know it.  It's just bullshit that this fanbase, that's been nothing but loyal to MArtin, has to deal with his off-season drama every year.

why do you trust an unnamed blogger on a website so much that Frank is "heavily interested"?   

[Panjandrum]

If I respected my employer (employer being KSU, not Currie), I'd approach my raise in a more tactful way than Martin.  I wouldn't express "heavy interest" in another job for the purpose of getting more money with my current employer.  Martin's going to get his raise.  We all know it.  It's just bullshit that this fanbase, that's been nothing but loyal to MArtin, has to deal with his off-season drama every year.

No, you assume he will.  His boss may not be willing to give him a raise unless someone comes at him with a better offer.

You are assuming Currie will do the right thing.  Do not make that assumption when the manager/employee have a strained relationship.

[Cartierfor3]

don't take job hunting/contract negotiating so personal.

Hard to not take something you're emotionally invested in personally, even if it not a logical approach to life. 

[Belvis Noland]

It's alarmingly clear that you do not and have not managed people in your life.

It doesn't matter if you make 35k or 1.5mil, if you feel you're being disrespected and undervalued, you will look for a situation where you don't feel that way.

People who make comments about, "Oh, no.  That poor millionaire basketball coach has it so rough," are incredibly naive.  It's not about the money.  It's about feeling that you're being disrespected and undervalued.

Until you sit in a room with someone and try to negotiate salary, you will not understand this point.  It's usually not about the money at all.  It's about feeling valued.

It's alarmingly clear that you have no idea how much respect and value this University clearly serves to Martin on a silver platter.  He produces top-half basketball teams.  He is paid top-half money.  He needs better recruiting tools?  We privately finance a $20mil practice facility so that he can teach his 2-guard how to make a 3 pointer.  We parade him around the state to sold out crowds of adoring fans every single year.  We buy tickets.  We donate money. 

If Frank doesn't feel valued, that's his problem.  I don't feel sorry for him.  Now, if Currie is unwilling to ever increase his 2010 salary figure, I guess you may have an argument.  But we all know that isn't going to happen.  salary increases are inevitable.   

[Cire]

no matter what happens, we should all be glad that Currie did the right thing with jamar the right way.  We Are K-State!

[Belvis Noland]

why do you trust an unnamed blogger on a website so much that Frank is "heavily interested"?

That unnamed blogger on a website is the very reason this thread exists. 

He may be unnamed, but his "credible source" has everybody on this board fearful of Martin's departure, whether you admit it or not. 

[Belvis Noland]

No, you assume he will.  His boss may not be willing to give him a raise unless someone comes at him with a better offer.

You are assuming Currie will do the right thing.  Do not make that assumption when the manager/employee have a strained relationship.

And you assume he won't.  Currie may be willing to give him a raise even if nobody else comes at him with a better offer.  See 2010. 

You are assuming Currie will do the wrong thing.  Do not make that assumption when the manager/employee may not have a strained relationship. 

[GoodForAnother]

why do you trust an unnamed blogger on a website so much that Frank is "heavily interested"?

That unnamed blogger on a website is the very reason this thread exists. 

He may be unnamed, but his "credible source" has everybody on this board fearful of Martin's departure, whether you admit it or not.

did you even SEE my hashtag?

#notworried (fwiw)

[michigancat]

#teambelvis

The reason his name gets floated for South Carolina and DePaul and Miami is because that is the highest level of school that would actually be interested in him. It's obvious he wants to be floated with Illinois, but no one pays any attention because no one thinks Illinois would want him.

I'm fine with Frank not being a lifer, and want him to be paid more, but the way he and Katz treat negotiations is pretty obnoxious.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

why do you trust an unnamed blogger on a website so much that Frank is "heavily interested"?

That unnamed blogger on a website is the very reason this thread exists. 

He may be unnamed, but his "credible source" has everybody on this board fearful of Martin's departure, whether you admit it or not.

I'm not afraid.   I don't believe Frank will leave for a crap job like USC.    And I don't believe the relationship between Frank and Currie is as bad as many of you do.

Anyone can post whatever they want online.   And Frank simply can't go around publicly denying every report.  He'd be stupid to.

[Belvis Noland]

no matter what happens, we should all be glad that Currie did the right thing with jamar the right way.  We Are K-State!

I'm glad that Currie paid Frank.  I'm glad Currie built a $20mil practice facility.  I'm glad Currie is building a +$100mil press box.  I'm glad Currie has AD revenue pouring in at a rate never realized at poor, little KSU before.  I'm glad Currie emphasizes athletic dominance over our in-state rival. 

I'm also cognizant that the very contrarians on this board pissing and moaning about Currie are the same people who were shitting their pants about Currie leaving us for Tennessee last year. 

I think Frank will get his salary bump.  We've got the money to afford it (thanks to Currie).  If he refuses to do it, then my opinion of Currie will change.  Maybe I'm blind, but I'm willing to give Currie the benefit of the doubt.   

[michigancat]

I might have used the wrong terminology.  I mean being the CEO of basketball with no Currie taking notes on how many fucks Frank says during a game or doing anything that Frank rightly or wrongly categorizes as some dorkstore meddling with his operation.  Basically being able to do whatever he wants other than actually murdering Merriewether on the sideline at Mizzou (even that maybe should be OK).

what meddling has Currie done? Stopping by Frank's cube every hour asking about those TPS reports?

[AppleJack]

I enjoy Belvis.

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I might have used the wrong terminology.  I mean being the CEO of basketball with no Currie taking notes on how many fucks Frank says during a game or doing anything that Frank rightly or wrongly categorizes as some dorkstore meddling with his operation.  Basically being able to do whatever he wants other than actually murdering Merriewether on the sideline at Mizzou (even that maybe should be OK).

what meddling has Currie done? Stopping by Frank's cube every hour asking about those TPS reports?

that Frank rightly or wrongly categorizes as some dorkstore meddling with his operation. 

[michigancat]

I'm not afraid.   I don't believe Frank will leave for a crap job like USC. 

That's fine, but he still is taking a giant dump on KSU when he lets his name get out there like it has. Huggs at least went home to a somewhat better situation.

I might have used the wrong terminology.  I mean being the CEO of basketball with no Currie taking notes on how many fucks Frank says during a game or doing anything that Frank rightly or wrongly categorizes as some dorkstore meddling with his operation.  Basically being able to do whatever he wants other than actually murdering Merriewether on the sideline at Mizzou (even that maybe should be OK).

what meddling has Currie done? Stopping by Frank's cube every hour asking about those TPS reports?

that Frank rightly or wrongly categorizes as some dorkstore meddling with his operation. 

frank's a dumbass and needs to...I don't know...act like a man?

[GoodForAnother]

good sources indicate nothing to worry about

https://twitter.com/#!/goodforanother

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frank's a dumbass and needs to...I don't know...act like a man?

Yeah, there's lots of dumb personality-trait stuff that Frank does.  I give him a pass on almost all of it because I'm a sellout for wins. 

[michigancat]

frank's a dumbass and needs to...I don't know...act like a man?

Yeah, there's lots of dumb personality-trait stuff that Frank does.  I give him a pass on almost all of it because I'm a sellout for wins. 

I'm willing to give a pass for everything basketball related, but this isn't basketball related.*

*I guess it is, because the this annual bullshit will ultimately cost us wins if it keeps up (even if he stays).