Frank watch 2012:

[youchooseausername]

I don't think our AD gives much of a crap about basketball.

Do you think our AD cares about its bottom line?

i think it knows football is the single most important thing to the bottom line.   i think they would pay less for a coach if they could, even if it meant not winning as much as we do now.  i think they can do the math and realize that k-state basketball isn't going to generate much more revenue than it does now.  attendance is stagnant and students and young alumni don't donate enough.

They can also look at the revenues before Huggs and realize they can be a lot smaller. Of course football is most important, but you don't just ignore a $7.5 million revenue stream. (IIRC, our revenue was around $2.5 million during the Wooly years - dax would probably remember better.)

Basketball revenue at the end of the 05-06 school year (Wooly's last year) was $3.5 million.  Expenses were about $2.9 million.

Basketball revenue at the end of the 06-07 school year (Huggie's year) was $5.3 million.  Expenses were about $4 million.

Basketball revenue at the end of last school year was $7.5 million.  Expenses were about $5 million.

That's an increase in annual profit of about $1 million, for those keeping score at home.

Where did those numbers come from?  I would have expected a much larger increase in revenue from Huggins to current state.  There has been premium seating added on the floor and the loge boxes, the attendance is higher, the ticket prices are higher, the apparel sales are up, the television revenues are up, we've added the KC/ICT games, the ad revenue is up, the tournament revenue actually exists, and the conference in making more money.

There is room for further revenue growth.  At some point Bramlage will be overhauled which will certainly add more premium seating, the media rights for all tiers will increase, including the overlooked Learfield deal, everything I mentioned outside of the atendance revenue should continue to improve as the basketball program continues to do well.

K-State's financial report on k-statesports.com.  I came across them the other day when I was trying to dig up Deb Patterson's contract.  The women's team, by the way, isn't even close to breaking even.

[wes mantooth]

never would have guessed the women's team wasn't even close to breaking even.

[massofcatfan]

I would imagine this will play out about like this week's episode of The Good Wife.

Recap: Alicia (Frank) must once again face off against Louis Canning in court, but her recent financial situations cause her to think about his (Michael J. Fox aka South Carolina's) tempting job offer and leaving the firm.

Alicia's boss (BelvisNoland) reprimands her for requesting a raise when the firm gave her the chance to practice law in the first place.

Contentious partners' meeting concludes when potentially anorexic boss (Schulz) announces that Alicia (Frank) will get the raise no matter what everyone else wants.

Louis Canning (SoCarolina) tells Alicia (Frank) he feels used since his offer allowed Alicia (Frank) to leverage a better deal from her current firm (KSUCats).

I call it: The Good Coach

[WillieWatanabe]

what in the...

[mocat]

SC before Cotton bowl: LOL man you guys are hilarious for trolling the crap out of those dumbass pigaggies. LOL great stuff, you guys win the internets.

SC now: Hey remember how we we laughed a lot at your pigaggy bait? Well, we want your bball coach now. Fair's fair. Kthxbai.

[pissclams]

frank and currie might not get along, but currie just built a $17m practice facility solely on the donations from people happy with frank's accomplishments.

i don't buy that he's actively working against frank.  sorry, but it doesn't add up. 

if currie really is developing his resume to move on to bigger and better things (which you should expect he would be doing), there's nothing better that he can do than hitch his ride to one of the most popular coaches in the game, not run him off.

[Belvis Noland]

Would I rather have another coach?  No. 

Unless that coach was named K, Izzo, Self, Calipari, etc.

Would I rather have a coach who didn't crap on this fanbase?  Yes.  (IMO, that's exactly what he's doing when he refuses to squelch the rumors).     

Martin is in that 2nd (maybe 3rd) tier of coaches and I'm fine with that.  But, 2nd tier is 2nd tier.  Let's call it what it is.  Martin wants to play hardball and threaten to leave every offseason - win a damn Championship and he's golden.  Otherwise, show some f'n respect and focus on recruiting better players than Nino and Doc.  If he had a player who threatened to transfer every time he didn't get enough mpg, Martin would cut his ass in a heartbeat.  He could very easily "get his" and negotiate his contract without openly threatening to walk off the job.   

He makes our program look like a stepping stone when he floats his name out there for crap jobs like Miami and SoCa.  How does that look to recruits?  How does it look in the media?  Martin wins 20 games and finishes outside the top#25 - and then looks at other jobs; demotions??  Welp, guess that's the ceiling of success at KSU.     What're we gonna do?  Gotta go where the sunshine's brighter.  A place like rough ridin' SoCa.  You've got to be kidding me. 

I haven't heard a single other BigXII coach's name being floated around for any jobs.  Haven't heard anybody talking about the Mayor, Drew, Barnes, or any other NCAA qualifier.  Only names I've heard are mid-major over achievers.  Coaches who are looking for that promotion to launch their career.  Oh yeah, and Frank Martin.  That coach at poor KSU who's obviously looking for a better job.  Because the K-State job blows.  and we'll never sustain success.  Perception is reality. 
       

[OK_Cat]

Belvis would rather have a coach who's name isn't mentioned as a hot item every offseason.

 

[Trim]

Would I rather have a coach who didn't crap on this fanbase?  Yes.  (IMO, that's exactly what he's doing when he refuses to squelch the rumors).     

Does this still apply if it's not a rumor?

[Panjandrum]

I haven't heard a single other BigXII coach's name being floated around for any jobs.  Haven't heard anybody talking about the Mayor, Drew, Barnes, or any other NCAA qualifier.  Only names I've heard are mid-major over achievers.  Coaches who are looking for that promotion to launch their career.  Oh yeah, and Frank Martin.  That coach at poor KSU who's obviously looking for a better job.  Because the K-State job blows.  and we'll never sustain success.  Perception is reality.

If you don't like your boss, your job usually blows no matter where you are or what you're doing.

[Belvis Noland]

Belvis would rather have a coach who's name isn't mentioned as a hot item every offseason.

I'd rather have a coach who wants to be at K-State and isn't "heavily interested" in another job.   

"Kansas State's Frank Martin has been confirmed as a candidate with 'heavy' interest in USC, according to a source close to the situation."   

Don't be a moron. 

[Panjandrum]

Belvis would rather have a coach who's name isn't mentioned as a hot item every offseason.

I'd rather have a coach who wants to be at K-State and isn't "heavily interested" in another job.   

"Kansas State's Frank Martin has been confirmed as a candidate with 'heavy' interest in USC, according to a source close to the situation."   

Don't be a moron.

People generally have heavy interest in other jobs if they're being underpaid compared to what they would make somewhere else.

[Trim]

Belvis would rather have a coach who's name isn't mentioned as a hot item every offseason.

I'd rather have a coach who wants to be at K-State and isn't "heavily interested" in another job.   

"Kansas State's Frank Martin has been confirmed as a candidate with 'heavy' interest in USC, according to a source close to the situation."   

Don't be a moron. 

Why doesn't that make sense to you?  He hates his boss, his boss hates him.  He wasn't hired by his boss.  He's got a BCS school that would kiss his ass and maybe give him free reign to build his own program, which he rightly or wrongly is confident he can do.

He's going to have heavy interest in every D-1 coaching job that exists given the status quo.

EDIT: Plus, the money like Panj just said.

[OK_Cat]

Belvis would rather have a coach who's name isn't mentioned as a hot item every offseason.

I'd rather have a coach who wants to be at K-State and isn't "heavily interested" in another job.   

"Kansas State's Frank Martin has been confirmed as a candidate with 'heavy' interest in USC, according to a source close to the situation."   

Don't be a moron.

don't take job hunting/contract negotiating so personal. 

[Belvis Noland]

If you don't like your boss, your job usually blows no matter where you are or what you're doing.

Usually.  Of course, "DI basketball coach with 1.5mil base salary w/ $17 mil practice facility being built for you" is probably one of those exceptions. 

But Currie is mean, so yeah, I completely understand why Frank wants out.  I mean, John has made it extremely difficult for Frank to succeed here.   

[WillieWatanabe]

I haven't heard a single other BigXII coach's name being floated around for any jobs.  Haven't heard anybody talking about the Mayor, Drew, Barnes, or any other NCAA qualifier.  Only names I've heard are mid-major over achievers.  Coaches who are looking for that promotion to launch their career.  Oh yeah, and Frank Martin.  That coach at poor KSU who's obviously looking for a better job.  Because the K-State job blows.  and we'll never sustain success.  Perception is reality. 
       

Let's see...

Texas - Rick Barnes. Texas, yeah.
Oklahoma - Lon Kruger. 1st year from a mid major
Texas A&M - Billy Kennedy. 1st year from a mid major, has the shakes
Texas Tech - Billy G. Great year he had this year.
Baylor - Scott Drew. Great in-game coach and well respected obviously. Oh, and btw...
Missouri - Frank Haith. Was lucky to get the Mizz job, choked in ncaa.
Kansas - Bill Self. Next.
Iowa State - The Mayor. 2nd year. can he bring in high school talent?
Oklahoma State - Travis Ford. LOL
Kansas State - Frank Martin - 5 straight 20 win seasons, best ksu coach in last 20 years.

Yeah, i have no idea why Frank is the only ones name being floated out there.

[Panjandrum]

If you don't like your boss, your job usually blows no matter where you are or what you're doing.

Usually.  Of course, "DI basketball coach with 1.5mil base salary w/ $17 mil practice facility being built for you" is probably one of those exceptions. 

But Currie is mean, so yeah, I completely understand why Frank wants out.  I mean, John has made it extremely difficult for Frank to succeed here.

Well, until he becomes "D1 basketball coach with a 2+ base salary and a boss he gets along with.  Then he becomes that exception.

[Belvis Noland]

He's got a BCS school that would kiss his ass and maybe give him free reign to build his own program, which he rightly or wrongly is confident he can do.

Frank currently has free reign to build his own program.  He's got the resources.  Anybody arguing that Currie is hampering his ability to win games is delusional. 

$$$ is important too.  No doubt.  But it seems like you don't often hear other major BCS coaches actively campaigning for crap jobs as a negotiating tool in contract discussions.  Why is that?  This is the 3rd time for Martin?     

[kso_FAN]

A coach that really wants to be at K-State is Jim Wooldridge or someone like him. Hoping for a lifer here is silly. JMHO.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

He's got a BCS school that would kiss his ass and maybe give him free reign to build his own program, which he rightly or wrongly is confident he can do.

Frank currently has free reign to build his own program.  He's got the resources.  Anybody arguing that Currie is hampering his ability to win games is delusional. 

$$$ is important too.  No doubt.  But it seems like you don't often hear other major BCS coaches actively campaigning for crap jobs as a negotiating tool in contract discussions.  Why is that?  This is the 3rd time for Martin?     

Aside from his Miami comment last year, when has Frank ever actively campaigned for any job besides KSU?    Show me something beyond a blog post.

[Cire]

A coach that really wants to be at K-State is Jim Wooldridge or someone like him. Hoping for a lifer here is silly. JMHO.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this


If they match his salary or pay more he's gone for sure.  all you currieites are to blame.

[Belvis Noland]

Well, until he becomes "D1 basketball coach with a 2+ base salary and a boss he gets along with.  Then he becomes that exception.

Ahh, I see.  The Frank saga will conclude itself when John starts being nicer and Frank makes 2mil+. 

Until then, Frank is living out his worst nightmare here in Manhattan.  Completely understand.  Life must be tough for Frank.   

[mocat]

Selfishly, I really want Frank to stick around long enough to have it all come together one more time like 09-10, with experienced guards, athletic big men, a Lu-type foul machine, a Jamar/Dom type wing, and make it to the Final Four. I just don't know if we will have a 1-2 guard combo like Denis/Jake any time in the near future.

[Belvis Noland]

A coach that really wants to be at K-State is Jim Wooldridge or someone like him. Hoping for a lifer here is silly. JMHO.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this


If they match his salary or pay more he's gone for sure.  all you currieites are to blame.

Why?  Is SoCa a demotion or am I just completely naiive.  I thought that Martin/Huggins had put K-State basketball back onto the map.  I guess not. 

[puniraptor]

A coach that really wants to be at K-State is Jim Wooldridge or someone like him. Hoping for a lifer here is silly. JMHO.

this makes me really blue