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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #150 on: March 21, 2012, 09:35:24 PM »
I don't think our AD gives much of a crap about basketball.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #151 on: March 21, 2012, 09:37:28 PM »
Currie's career is vanishing rumor by rumor.  Last Friday, he was an AD with job security and upside.  This upcoming Friday, he'll be copying his resume at Kinko's Hale and hoping for an interview with MCC.

I mean seriously, can you even imagine this Athletic Director losing the best, most beloved coach we've had at our school in 30 years to South effing Carolina?

I'm starting to imagine it.
 
well, for one, he's most certainly not the most beloved coach, not even close.

Not counting Hartman, he is just as beloved as Lon ever was.

LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder is the most beloved coach.  Frank is beloved by a small subset of k-state fans.

By small subset you mean everyone under the age of 25 who had only known failure their entire lives relating to K-State basketball right?

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #152 on: March 21, 2012, 09:50:48 PM »
I still don't know whether or not to be worried.

Agreed.  I've been on the "this whole South Carolina thing is a ruse to get Frank paid" train, but the rumors continuing to come out of SC worry me.  And maybe the Jamar mess was enough for Frank to say "eff this, I'm mobile."

Plus, last I heard SC hadn't even picked up the phone to call Gregg Marshall, the alleged #1 guy on their list at the beginning of the search.  That makes me think they've been in serious contract flirtations with Frank.
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Re: Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #153 on: March 21, 2012, 09:52:46 PM »
I don't think our AD gives much of a crap about basketball.

Do you think our AD cares about its bottom line?

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #154 on: March 21, 2012, 09:53:27 PM »
count me in as officially worried.
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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #155 on: March 21, 2012, 09:58:32 PM »
I don't think our AD gives much of a crap about basketball.

Do you think our AD cares about its bottom line?
i think it knows football is the single most important thing to the bottom line.   i think they would pay less for a coach if they could, even if it meant not winning as much as we do now.  i think they can do the math and realize that k-state basketball isn't going to generate much more revenue than it does now.  attendance is stagnant and students and young alumni don't donate enough.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #156 on: March 21, 2012, 10:01:33 PM »
I don't think our AD gives much of a crap about basketball.

Do you think our AD cares about its bottom line?
i think it knows football is the single most important thing to the bottom line.   i think they would pay less for a coach if they could, even if it meant not winning as much as we do now.  i think they can do the math and realize that k-state basketball isn't going to generate much more revenue than it does now.  attendance is stagnant and students and young alumni don't donate enough.

They can also look at the revenues before Huggs and realize they can be a lot smaller. Of course football is most important, but you don't just ignore a $7.5 million revenue stream. (IIRC, our revenue was around $2.5 million during the Wooly years - dax would probably remember better.)

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #157 on: March 21, 2012, 10:21:22 PM »
I don't think our AD gives much of a crap about basketball.

Do you think our AD cares about its bottom line?
i think it knows football is the single most important thing to the bottom line.   i think they would pay less for a coach if they could, even if it meant not winning as much as we do now.  i think they can do the math and realize that k-state basketball isn't going to generate much more revenue than it does now.  attendance is stagnant and students and young alumni don't donate enough.

They can also look at the revenues before Huggs and realize they can be a lot smaller. Of course football is most important, but you don't just ignore a $7.5 million revenue stream. (IIRC, our revenue was around $2.5 million during the Wooly years - dax would probably remember better.)

Basketball revenue at the end of the 05-06 school year (Wooly's last year) was $3.5 million.  Expenses were about $2.9 million.

Basketball revenue at the end of the 06-07 school year (Huggie's year) was $5.3 million.  Expenses were about $4 million.

Basketball revenue at the end of last school year was $7.5 million.  Expenses were about $5 million.

That's an increase in annual profit of about $1 million, for those keeping score at home.
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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #158 on: March 21, 2012, 10:23:32 PM »
still meh.
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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #159 on: March 21, 2012, 10:25:02 PM »
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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #160 on: March 21, 2012, 10:36:06 PM »
$1 million makes up about 10 percent of the total profit our athletic department brings in annually.  That seems significant to me, especially when you are building a basketball practice facility and making major renovations to a football stadium.  You lose Frank and you easily lose that million, probably more.
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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #161 on: March 21, 2012, 10:45:51 PM »
Our profit was 25mil.  So, no, 1mil is not 10%

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #162 on: March 21, 2012, 10:47:27 PM »
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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #163 on: March 21, 2012, 10:57:27 PM »
I'm so tired of worrying about this crap every year.  Yeah, Frank is great blah blah blah.  We need to pay him whatever he wants blah blah blah. 

I like that we win our 20 games and go to the tourney. 

But a few things to consider...

Frank Martin was a rough ridin' nobody before K-State.  And he'd still be a nobody today were it not for this school.

Martin's recruiting has sucked.  Very much so.  We've never sniffed a conference title.  We crap our pants in every BigXii tourney, save 09-10.  We crap our pants in every NCAA tourney, save 09-10. 

But yeah, we get our 20 wins and advance to the round of 32 every year. 

And for that..  Martin gets to hold this school hostage every rough ridin' off season.  If the rumors are true and he's floating his name around, the dude can go eff himself. 

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #164 on: March 21, 2012, 10:59:57 PM »
I'm so tired of worrying about this crap every year.  Yeah, Frank is great blah blah blah.  We need to pay him whatever he wants blah blah blah. 

I like that we win our 20 games and go to the tourney. 

But a few things to consider...

Frank Martin was a rough ridin' nobody before K-State.  And he'd still be a nobody today were it not for this school.

Martin's recruiting has sucked.  Very much so.  We've never sniffed a conference title.  We crap our pants in every BigXii tourney, save 09-10.  We crap our pants in every NCAA tourney, save 09-10. 

But yeah, we get our 20 wins and advance to the round of 32 every year. 

And for that..  Martin gets to hold this school hostage every rough ridin' off season.  If the rumors are true and he's floating his name around, the dude can go eff himself.

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

#teamfrank

Martin isn't holding anyone hostage, he's getting his. I don't blame him. He is going nowhere, save for a raise at KSU I'd say.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #165 on: March 21, 2012, 11:02:29 PM »
Our profit was 25mil.  So, no, 1mil is not 10%

I should have clarified. I am referring to profit generated by athletic events only (ticket sales, radio and tv contracts, etc). That would exclude contributions, which make up the other 14 million that is included in your 25 million figure. I probably should have included contributions seeing as they will also take a dive if currie let's frank walk out the door.
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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #166 on: March 21, 2012, 11:02:48 PM »
#notworried

I'd like to use this as an opportunity for KSU fans to remind John Currie that he's more expendable than a coach.

As far as I'm concerned, we can replace him with Dax and be just fine.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #167 on: March 21, 2012, 11:05:19 PM »
I'm so tired of worrying about this crap every year.  Yeah, Frank is great blah blah blah.  We need to pay him whatever he wants blah blah blah. 

I like that we win our 20 games and go to the tourney. 

But a few things to consider...

Frank Martin was a rough ridin' nobody before K-State.  And he'd still be a nobody today were it not for this school.

Martin's recruiting has sucked.  Very much so.  We've never sniffed a conference title.  We crap our pants in every BigXii tourney, save 09-10.  We crap our pants in every NCAA tourney, save 09-10. 

But yeah, we get our 20 wins and advance to the round of 32 every year. 

And for that..  Martin gets to hold this school hostage every rough ridin' off season.  If the rumors are true and he's floating his name around, the dude can go eff himself.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #168 on: March 21, 2012, 11:13:01 PM »
I don't think our AD gives much of a crap about basketball.

Do you think our AD cares about its bottom line?
i think it knows football is the single most important thing to the bottom line.   i think they would pay less for a coach if they could, even if it meant not winning as much as we do now.  i think they can do the math and realize that k-state basketball isn't going to generate much more revenue than it does now.  attendance is stagnant and students and young alumni don't donate enough.

They can also look at the revenues before Huggs and realize they can be a lot smaller. Of course football is most important, but you don't just ignore a $7.5 million revenue stream. (IIRC, our revenue was around $2.5 million during the Wooly years - dax would probably remember better.)

Basketball revenue at the end of the 05-06 school year (Wooly's last year) was $3.5 million.  Expenses were about $2.9 million.

Basketball revenue at the end of the 06-07 school year (Huggie's year) was $5.3 million.  Expenses were about $4 million.

Basketball revenue at the end of last school year was $7.5 million.  Expenses were about $5 million.

That's an increase in annual profit of about $1 million, for those keeping score at home.

Where did those numbers come from?  I would have expected a much larger increase in revenue from Huggins to current state.  There has been premium seating added on the floor and the loge boxes, the attendance is higher, the ticket prices are higher, the apparel sales are up, the television revenues are up, we've added the KC/ICT games, the ad revenue is up, the tournament revenue actually exists, and the conference in making more money.

There is room for further revenue growth.  At some point Bramlage will be overhauled which will certainly add more premium seating, the media rights for all tiers will increase, including the overlooked Learfield deal, everything I mentioned outside of the atendance revenue should continue to improve as the basketball program continues to do well.

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Re: Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #169 on: March 21, 2012, 11:17:49 PM »
Martin's recruiting has sucked.  Very much so.  We've never sniffed a conference title.  We crap our pants in every BigXii tourney, save 09-10.  We crap our pants in every NCAA tourney, save 09-10. 
We usually play to our seed, that's not "shitting our pants."  Martin's recruiting does not suck, it is average to above average.  Also, you rough ridin' dumbass, it's either we keep Martin or we get a piece of crap mid-major coach.  That's what Kansas State does.

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Re: Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #170 on: March 21, 2012, 11:19:52 PM »
Martin's recruiting has sucked.  Very much so.  We've never sniffed a conference title.  We crap our pants in every BigXii tourney, save 09-10.  We crap our pants in every NCAA tourney, save 09-10. 
We usually play to our seed, that's not "shitting our pants."  Martin's recruiting does not suck, it is average to above average.  Also, you rough ridin' dumbass, it's either we keep Martin or we get a piece of crap mid-major coach.  That's what Kansas State does.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #172 on: March 22, 2012, 02:46:00 AM »
I'm so tired of worrying about this crap every year.  Yeah, Frank is great blah blah blah.  We need to pay him whatever he wants blah blah blah. 

I like that we win our 20 games and go to the tourney. 

But a few things to consider...

Frank Martin was a rough ridin' nobody before K-State.  And he'd still be a nobody today were it not for this school.

Martin's recruiting has sucked.  Very much so.  We've never sniffed a conference title.  We crap our pants in every BigXii tourney, save 09-10.  We crap our pants in every NCAA tourney, save 09-10. 

But yeah, we get our 20 wins and advance to the round of 32 every year. 

And for that..  Martin gets to hold this school hostage every rough ridin' off season.  If the rumors are true and he's floating his name around, the dude can go eff himself.

Are you fisting me? Like really? Would you rather have someone else?  Count me as part of the group that wants to go to the second round of the NCAA tourny 80% of the time.

And as far as USCe goes? No way. Not worried in the least.  Much more worried about Illinois.

Frank isn't going to start over at a parallel coaching job, and South Carolina is only parallel when being generous.
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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #173 on: March 22, 2012, 06:33:49 AM »
I'm so tired of worrying about this crap every year.  Yeah, Frank is great blah blah blah.  We need to pay him whatever he wants blah blah blah. 

I like that we win our 20 games and go to the tourney. 

But a few things to consider...

Frank Martin was a rough ridin' nobody before K-State.  And he'd still be a nobody today were it not for this school.

Martin's recruiting has sucked.  Very much so.  We've never sniffed a conference title.  We crap our pants in every BigXii tourney, save 09-10.  We crap our pants in every NCAA tourney, save 09-10. 

But yeah, we get our 20 wins and advance to the round of 32 every year. 

And for that..  Martin gets to hold this school hostage every rough ridin' off season.  If the rumors are true and he's floating his name around, the dude can go eff himself.

Are you fisting me? Like really? Would you rather have someone else?  Count me as part of the group that wants to go to the second round of the NCAA tourny 80% of the time.

And as far as USCe goes? No way. Not worried in the least.  Much more worried about Illinois.

Frank isn't going to start over at a parallel coaching job, and South Carolina is only parallel when being generous.

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Re: Frank watch 2012:
« Reply #174 on: March 22, 2012, 07:32:25 AM »
I'm still trying to figure out why he would leave KSU for USC. I know he might be mad at Currie but USC is an enormous step down.