You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.

[captaincrap]

Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

So it isn't an option to say "let's not rush to judgment, we need to investigate this fully and extensively.  Innocent until proven guilty etc."?

You can take all the time you want to investigate, sure. But the NCAA doesn't operate with "innocent until proven guilty". You have to rule him ineligible first, then gather your evidence and make your case as to why he shouldn't be ineligible. That application for reinstatement is the key part of the process, and is when the NCAA rules on when he can play again and what penalties there are if any. If this was the middle of the season and K-State had a few days to get the ruling, JS might have maybe missed a game or two and paid back the money. The timing just sucked on this one.

[Gooch]

Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?

[captaincrap]

Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?

Yes, according to the NCAA

[WillieWatanabe]

The timing just sucked on this one.

Why'd this hit when it did, if the transaction happened Monday? I realize you need to "tow the company line" or whatever. But the snitch is a big part of this, no??

["storm"nut]

Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

So it isn't an option to say "let's not rush to judgment, we need to investigate this fully and extensively.  Innocent until proven guilty etc."?

That's what sucks about the NCAA.

We found out about it. Reported it as soon as we did. Most likely thought it would have been okay (just being safe) NCAA says no it is not. Were caught with our dicks in our hands

If we would have waited until after, we might as well not reported it at all as the if/when the NCAA would have found out about it, the hammer blows would have been just as hard.

[EllToPay]

Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?

currie is to blame because he overreacted to take a hard line on compliance for his resume and should have made a better statement detailing exactly what and when happened and doesn't care if frank leaves.

Incorrect. Not an overreaction. Nothing to do with his resume or with Frank.

Will Frank leave over this?

CC isn't answering this one. 

[captaincrap]

Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

So it isn't an option to say "let's not rush to judgment, we need to investigate this fully and extensively.  Innocent until proven guilty etc."?

That's what sucks about the NCAA.

We found out about it. Reported it as soon as we did. Most likely thought it would have been okay (just being safe) NCAA says no it is not. Were caught with our dicks in our hands

If we would have waited until after, we might as well not reported it at all as the if/when the NCAA would have found out about it, the hammer blows would have been just as hard.

Correct. NCAA rules much more harshly on schools that do not report when they clearly should have. It's the only way the NCAA compliance setup works, is having schools self-report. So they make it much more punitive when you fail to do so.

[captaincrap]

Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?

currie is to blame because he overreacted to take a hard line on compliance for his resume and should have made a better statement detailing exactly what and when happened and doesn't care if frank leaves.

Incorrect. Not an overreaction. Nothing to do with his resume or with Frank.

Will Frank leave over this?

Strongly doubt it. Can't speak for him, but I'm sure he's frustrated by the situation. But like I've said it's not a K-State problem, it's just a shitty deal all the way around.

["storm"nut]

CC, Would it be safe to assume that we thought he would be cleared to play when we self reported.

[Dr Rick Daris]

would love to know the chain of events from who was told first and what they did with the information and what the information even was. seems like kstate could've stalled that a day or two. i mean, you can't just self report every ridiculously stupid thing that you're told and then have to gather your proof and fight to get him put back on the team.

i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?

[kso_FAN]

Thanks for these responses CC. And for K-State not making a big deal out of the fatty shirts.

[Trim]

Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?

Yes, according to the NCAA

The NCAA ruled on this episode, or it's KSU's belief/fear that this is a violation under NCAA rules?

["storm"nut]

would love to know the chain of events from who was told first and what they did with the information and what the information even was. seems like kstate could've stalled that a day or two. i mean, you can't just self report every ridiculously stupid thing that you're told and then have to gather your proof and fight to get him put back on the team.

i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?

I'm sure they asked Jamar did he get the money and from who, and he told them the truth. If they did self report based on a random phone call then that is shitty compliance form.

[Dugout DickStone]

would love to know the chain of events from who was told first and what they did with the information and what the information even was. seems like kstate could've stalled that a day or two. i mean, you can't just self report every ridiculously stupid thing that you're told and then have to gather your proof and fight to get him put back on the team.

i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?

I think CC is saying KU would have to IMMEDIATELY report this, T-Rob would be suspended and so would Self until they get cleared.  Regardless of verification, proof, gathering information, foundation, verification.

[kougar24]

Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

why hasn't Currie publicly said this?

My guess is that he will explain the situation at some point in the next few days, probably once he gets home from the girls game in CT.

Is there anything WBB doesn't ruin?

[captaincrap]

Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?

Yes, according to the NCAA

The NCAA ruled on this episode, or it's KSU's belief/fear that this is a violation under NCAA rules?

They ruled.

[0.42]

i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?

can confirm, i am an expert

[EllToPay]

would love to know the chain of events from who was told first and what they did with the information and what the information even was. seems like kstate could've stalled that a day or two. i mean, you can't just self report every ridiculously stupid thing that you're told and then have to gather your proof and fight to get him put back on the team.

i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?

I think CC is saying KU would have to IMMEDIATELY report this, T-Rob would be suspended and so would Self until they get cleared.  Regardless of verification, proof, gathering information, foundation, verification.

Wow, would be a shame if someone actually did this to spoil KU's chances at a title and having T-Rob and Taylor going out on top. Would be awful.

TSC.

[Trim]

Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?

Yes, according to the NCAA

The NCAA ruled on this episode, or it's KSU's belief/fear that this is a violation under NCAA rules?

They ruled.

Why didn't Currie explain this to inquiring reporters following the game Saturday, with plenty of time to spare to go to Connecticut?

Are KSU athletes, particularly DC Assault alums, instructed not to get money from past AAU coaches, particularly Curtis Malone, regardless of whether or not they consider them "family?"

[chum1]

cc, are you the mole?

[Rage Against the McKee]

 

[MakeItRain]

Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?

Yes, according to the NCAA

The NCAA ruled on this episode, or it's KSU's belief/fear that this is a violation under NCAA rules?

They ruled.

I'm so proud that the ICT pakr's and my strut 'n cut teammates asked the best and most pertinent questions.  Thanks CC for answering.  Although I didn't have any conspiracy theories I will certainly eat crow as these two questions/answers addressed my issues with this.  I will be interested to see how/why the NCAA ruled that Jamar and Curtis didn't fit the prior relationship standard, and how this will effect K-State Basketball as this certainly wasn't the first time Malone sent Jamar money, he said as much.

CC care to share light on this?

[mocat]

I still am the most angry at the townie snitch 

[0.42]

Yeah I was wrong on a lot of things. Sorry, Currie. 

["storm"nut]

Question for the Resume Builder tucks:

What Big time program would want to hire an AD who sole claims to fame are hording millions of dollars and being a compliance Nazi?