You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.

[kim carnes]

Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

It would've at least kept Jamar from looking like an bad person to the country and blunted the impact of the hit to his reputation if he had said the same thing during a postgame press conference that he'd said to Wyatt. I think that would have at least calmed some people down here. I'm not convinced on your second point. Given how the AD enables Snyder to run his fortress of silence with an iron fist, I wouldn't be surprised if they just sit on this and tell us true EMAW's to "deal with it" because the tuck hordes are openly supporting them.  The damage is already done in terms of negative ammunition for recruiting, and nobody's gonna pay any attention if we quietly leak something that explains the situation within the next couple of months, so they may just decide to sit on it and hope that it goes away.

Lol, this incident will have no effect on our already shitty recruiting.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

i want to know whose call it was and why they made the call to sit him. when they were notified, who were they notified by (doesn't have to be a specific name) and what steps they took when they were. a pretty simple and precise explanation might make me perfectly happy. dead serious.

instead we get this, which again just makes you think what in the world is going on over there that something can come up in between the first and second game that escalates from some "third party witness" to jamar can't play all in the span of 24 hours? that just makes no sense.




 Kansas State athletics director John Currie told reporters shortly before the game that Samuels’ ineligibility “developed very rapidly over the last 24 hours."

“We are working diligently to try and resolve it even right now," Currie said. "Jamar Samuels has worked extremely hard academically and athletically throughout his career. We are certainly going to do everything we can to advocate for him.”

[kso_FAN]

Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

It would've at least kept Jamar from looking like an bad person to the country and blunted the impact of the hit to his reputation if he had said the same thing during a postgame press conference that he'd said to Wyatt. I think that would have at least calmed some people down here. I'm not convinced on your second point. Given how the AD enables Snyder to run his fortress of silence with an iron fist, I wouldn't be surprised if they just sit on this and tell us true EMAW's to "deal with it" because the tuck hordes are openly supporting them.  The damage is already done in terms of negative ammunition for recruiting, and nobody's gonna pay any attention if we quietly leak something that explains the situation within the next couple of months, so they may just decide to sit on it and hope that it goes away.

My issue is that the person that made Jamar/his family look the worst was Curtis Malone. He didn't have to tell Meek that Jamar was hungry and couldn't afford to eat and that his family had nothing to help him. He could've easily told Meek "no comment". I find it hard to believe that as long as he has done this that Malone actually believes he can give former players money, no matter how well he knows them.

[michigancat]

Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

i want to know whose call it was and why they made the call to sit him. when they were notified, who were they notified by (doesn't have to be a specific name) and what steps they took when they were. a pretty simple and precise explanation might make me perfectly happy. dead serious.

You have to remember that he put out that statement long before Fanning broke the story. He can't come out and say "We're benching him because someone told us he took $200 from Curtis Malone". It was obvious it was an impermissible gift issue from the statements he made to Meek and Manbeck, but saying any more would have been far worse for Jamar than what was actually said.

[michigancat]

My issue is that the person that made Jamar/his family look the worst was Curtis Malone. He didn't have to tell Meek that Jamar was hungry and couldn't afford to eat and that his family had nothing to help him. He could've easily told Meek "no comment". I find it hard to believe that as long as he has done this that Malone actually believes he can give former players money, no matter how well he knows them.

yeah, if anyone was throwing Jamar under the bus, it was Malone.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

i want to know whose call it was and why they made the call to sit him. when they were notified, who were they notified by (doesn't have to be a specific name) and what steps they took when they were. a pretty simple and precise explanation might make me perfectly happy. dead serious.

You have to remember that he put out that statement long before Fanning broke the story. He can't come out and say "We're benching him because someone told us he took $200 from Curtis Malone". It was obvious it was an impermissible gift issue from the statements he made to Meek and Manbeck, but saying any more would have been far worse for Jamar than what was actually said.

i'm not telling you what he should or should't have done. i'm telling you what would maybe make me happy because you just said "Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy".

["storm"nut]

Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

i want to know whose call it was and why they made the call to sit him. when they were notified, who were they notified by (doesn't have to be a specific name) and what steps they took when they were. a pretty simple and precise explanation might make me perfectly happy. dead serious.

instead we get this, which again just makes you think what in the world is going on over there that something can come up in between the first and second game that escalates from some "third party witness" to jamar can't play all in the span of 24 hours? that just makes no sense.




 Kansas State athletics director John Currie told reporters shortly before the game that Samuels’ ineligibility “developed very rapidly over the last 24 hours."

“We are working diligently to try and resolve it even right now," Currie said. "Jamar Samuels has worked extremely hard academically and athletically throughout his career. We are certainly going to do everything we can to advocate for him.”

The "third Party" could have been a big dick and not only called compliance but also the NCAA and Syracuse. I would not put it past a pissed off Wichita State fan.

[michigancat]

i'm not telling you what he should or should't have done. i'm telling you what would maybe make me happy because you just said "Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy".

I don't think what you are saying would make you happy would have actually made you happy given the circumstances but I'm not a mind reader so who knows.

[Fuktard]

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/kansas-state-jamar-samuels-a-victim-of-ncaa-tournament-amateur-sham-031912

[Dr Rick Daris]

My issue is that the person that made Jamar/his family look the worst was Curtis Malone. He didn't have to tell Meek that Jamar was hungry and couldn't afford to eat and that his family had nothing to help him. He could've easily told Meek "no comment". I find it hard to believe that as long as he has done this that Malone actually believes he can give former players money, no matter how well he knows them.

yeah, if anyone was throwing Jamar under the bus, it was Malone.

new thought... this is all some kind of suge knight p diddy east coast west coast thing and jamar just got tupac'd. frank is suge. malone is puff. dalonte is mace. currie is maybe snoop (not really sure here). the ncaa tournament was the source awards where suge called out bad boy. oh man. i mean the quote about "if i wanted to hide it i would've done it differently". wow just wow. you think malone waited one or two hours before calling the ncaa to tell them what he just did?

[michigancat]

All I want to know is how can I be method man in this scenario.

[Dr Rick Daris]

All I want to know is how can I be method man in this scenario.

i'll need a few hours...

[kso_FAN]

new thought... this is all some kind of suge knight p diddy east coast west coast thing and jamar just got tupac'd. frank is suge. malone is puff. dalonte is mace. currie is maybe snoop (not really sure here). the ncaa tournament was the source awards where suge called out bad boy. oh man. i mean the quote about "if i want to hide it i would've done it differently". wow just wow. you think malone waited one or two hours before calling the ncaa to tell them what he just did?

Yeah.

Regardless, Malone's comments only make K-State's position and whatever they say even more delicate, so I'm not surprised K-State/Currie hasn't said anything yet.

[michigancat]

I do wonder how much Frank hates Curtis Malone. I mean, what a dickhead that guy is to Frank. I guess he still deserves a little residual goodwill for beasley and rod, but man. That crap has to expire soon.

[Paul Moscow]

The Nation jumps in, http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels

Sorry if repost, haven't read through the past 10 pages

[Panjandrum]

I do wonder how much Frank hates Curtis Malone. I mean, what a dickhead that guy is to Frank. I guess he still deserves a little residual goodwill for beasley and rod, but man. That crap has to expire soon.

Curtis Malone will always be some sort of shadowy villain to a lot of KSU fans due to Beasley, Judge, and this, regardless of who we've gotten from him in the past.

Also, the fact that he recently assaulted a guy probably doesn't help.

[Winters]

What a mess. 

[EllToPay]

The Nation jumps in, http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels

Sorry if repost, haven't read through the past 10 pages

His team had to figure out a new game plan with twenty minutes to spare, while administrators furiously tried to lobby officials to change their mind. The NCAA’s absolute authority as judge, jury and executioner, is a recipe for abuse.

[Panjandrum]

new thought... this is all some kind of suge knight p diddy east coast west coast thing and jamar just got tupac'd. frank is suge. malone is puff. dalonte is mace. currie is maybe snoop (not really sure here). the ncaa tournament was the source awards where suge called out bad boy. oh man. i mean the quote about "if i want to hide it i would've done it differently". wow just wow. you think malone waited one or two hours before calling the ncaa to tell them what he just did?

Yeah.

Regardless, Malone's comments only make K-State's position and whatever they say even more delicate, so I'm not surprised K-State/Currie hasn't said anything yet.

Well, we do have to be careful.  We don't need Malone telling the NCAA he's been giving money to our numerous DC Assault players over the last five years.

A part of me wants this to just go away for that reason.  Malone is not some guy you screw with.  The Suge Knight reference was funny because after the assault charge, I immediately thought of him.

[kougar24]

Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."

[OK_Cat]

currie is getting a free pass with the media.   

[Panjandrum]

Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."

The ties have been cut.  We're not getting anyone from DC Assault any time soon.  But we (being the fans) don't know what Malone has been doing with our numerous recruits over the years.

Look, everyone got screwed but Malone.  Honestly, I don't really want to poke that bear with a stick.  We got a great foundation built with DC Assault kids, and our sacrifice was a loss in a second round NCAA tournament game that may or may not have still happened with Jamar.

If the AD comes out with a statement issuing regret over the situation and lauding Jamar for being a good kid who made a great contribution to KSU for 4.5 years, I'd call it good.

Malone just scares the ---- out of me.

[kougar24]

Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."

The ties have been cut.  We're not getting anyone from DC Assault any time soon.  But we (being the fans) don't know what Malone has been doing with our numerous recruits over the years.

Look, everyone got screwed but Malone.  Honestly, I don't really want to poke that bear with a stick.  We got a great foundation built with DC Assault kids, and our sacrifice was a loss in a second round NCAA tournament game that may or may not have still happened with Jamar.

If the AD comes out with a statement issuing regret over the situation and lauding Jamar for being a good kid who made a great contribution to KSU for 4.5 years, I'd call it good.

Malone just scares the ---- out of me.

Sorry, "cut ties" was bad phrasing on my part. I meant, how aggressive we get when poking the bear, to use your analogy.

["storm"nut]

currie is getting a free pass with the media.   

Which came first, Self reporting the infraction, or a call from the NCAA saying you need to self report. I am beginning to wonder if it was the latter. Especially since it was reported on twitter during the game that K-State was still actively trying to get Samuels eligible. 

[CNS]

If I was Jamar, punching Malone in his fat face would be priority #1 once I graduated.