You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.

[Pete]

If the scout board was a physical place, id probably go there and fight people. Jesus.

Yep.

[kstatefreak42]

I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?

Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?

"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."

I don't know, but from my point of view, the damage has been done.  MIR made a really good point.  We don't need the NCAA digging around any more than they need to. 

We self reported a minor violation at a bad time.  The more we dig, the more we probably don't want to know.

Anyone involved in this needs to keep their mouths shut, say this was the only time, and we can all move on.

Im with you.

[MakeItRain]

I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?

Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?

"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."

Yes, I think panj is only reading replies to his posts.  Of course there is going to be a paper trail because they weren't trying to hide anything.  The argument here is that Curtis Malone had a relationship with Jamar before he was a prospective student athlete making the payments permissible.  I thought I covered this when you were babbling about Malone, Beasley, and Bell. 

No one is hiding anything its a simple rule interpretation which is why Curries act was so rough ridin' ridiculous.

[Pete]

Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.

He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged.   He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."

John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word.  Just let the entire country assume the worst.


Shame on you John Currie.  I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.

[Panjandrum]

Yes, I think panj is only reading replies to his posts.

Mostly, yes.

[p1k3]

Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.

He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged.   He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."

John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word.  Just let the entire country assume the worst.


Shame on you John Currie.  I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.

Wow i didnt even think of it like this. What a rough ridin' coward.

[MakeItRain]

I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?

Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?

"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."

I don't know, but from my point of view, the damage has been done.  MIR made a really good point.  We don't need the NCAA digging around any more than they need to. 

We self reported a minor violation at a bad time.  The more we dig, the more we probably don't want to know.

Anyone involved in this needs to keep their mouths shut, say this was the only time, and we can all move on.

What you said was no where close to my point.

[MakeItRain]

Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.

He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged.   He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."

John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word.  Just let the entire country assume the worst.


Shame on you John Currie.  I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.

Nailed it.

['taterblast]

eff me, this is such a k-state way to end a season.

[Pete]

Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.

He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged.   He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."

John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word.  Just let the entire country assume the worst.


Shame on you John Currie.  I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.

Wow i didnt even think of it like this. What a rough ridin' coward.

The rough ridin' Vice President of the United States of America was in the crowd.  The game was against Syracuse...a historic program.  It was in the prime spot on CBS.........



....and John Currie let Jamar Samuels sit there like a criminal...and just let the country assume the worst.


eff YOU, JOHN CURRIE.  eff YOU.

[wes mantooth]

Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.

He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged.   He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."

John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word.  Just let the entire country assume the worst.


Shame on you John Currie.  I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.

Wow i didnt even think of it like this. What a rough ridin' coward.

The rough ridin' Vice President of the United States of America was in the crowd.  The game was against Syracuse...a historic program.  It was in the prime spot on CBS.........



....and John Currie let Jamar Samuels sit there like a criminal...and just let the country assume the worst.


eff YOU, JOHN CURRIE.  eff YOU.

yeah, i don't see anyway john currie doesn't come out of this not smelling like a bag of mixed dicks

[MakeItRain]

mixed dicks?

[Panjandrum]

What you said was no where close to my point.

My apologies.

[SkinnyBenny]

Does this qualify as K-State0?

[p1k3]

Does this qualify as K-State0?

Yes

[Scary Smart]

I don't really see how anybody can disagree with Pete's last few posts. I didn't really think about it this way earlier today, but Currie deserves all the blame here. What an bad person.

[SkinnyBenny]

I don't really see how anybody can disagree with Pete's last few posts. I didn't really think about it this way earlier today, but Currie deserves all the blame here. What an bad person.

Yeah, Pete has completely nailed it.

[Panjandrum]

Wow.

Santiago 007 ? @melvetedehondur

@john_currie Send Jamar $200 and you've defiled the integrity of the game. Send John Curried $200 and you get an Ahearn Fund sticker

[bigDcat]

I don't really see how anybody can disagree with Pete's last few posts. I didn't really think about it this way earlier today, but Currie deserves all the blame here. What an bad person.

Yeah, I've never actually hated Currie until today.

[Pete]

I mean, it's even rough ridin' worse than we initially thought.  John Currie still hasn't said a rough ridin' word. Why?  And then I think about the rough ridin' pukes who are condemning Jamar right now...

A dude on twitter, a ksu fan I didn't know, had the perfect summation:

@cfoster_ks


Send Jamar $200 and you've defiled the integrity of the game. Send John Currie $200 and you get an Ahearn Fund sticker. #emaw

There it is.

[p1k3]

He's a rough ridin' coward. Jamar is what, 22 years old? I cant imagine that happening to me at that age. Most the people watching around the country probably thought, "what a jerk that youngster is, he must have raped a young white girl after stealing her car."

Way to rough ridin' go, John.

[Pete]

Wow.

Santiago 007 ? @melvetedehondur

@john_currie Send Jamar $200 and you've defiled the integrity of the game. Send John Curried $200 and you get an Ahearn Fund sticker

 

[Pete]

Well, whomever tweeted that was brilliant.

[Pete]

We need to rough ridin' unionize the student athletes.  I'm not joking.

[p1k3]

We need to rough ridin' unionize the student athletes.  I'm not joking.

What do student athletes get for stipend these days? dax?