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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #75 on: March 10, 2012, 04:19:47 PM »
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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #76 on: March 10, 2012, 04:22:47 PM »
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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #77 on: March 10, 2012, 04:25:14 PM »
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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #78 on: March 10, 2012, 04:26:45 PM »

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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #79 on: March 10, 2012, 04:31:53 PM »
Pretty sure we're the only top 40 program in a major conference constantly afraid of losing their coach to similar or worse program.


Illinois is a much better job than K-State.  It's a top 10 job with the right coach.

Yeah because the recent and historical  trends of the two programs have born that out.  :rolleyes:


Are you serious?  They just played for a national title in 2005.  It's not even debatable... Illinois is a better job than K-State.  Sorry.

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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #80 on: March 10, 2012, 04:38:38 PM »
Pretty sure we're the only top 40 program in a major conference constantly afraid of losing their coach to similar or worse program.


Illinois is a much better job than K-State.  It's a top 10 job with the right coach.

Yeah because the recent and historical  trends of the two programs have born that out.  :rolleyes:


Are you serious?  They just played for a national title in 2005.  It's not even debatable... Illinois is a better job than K-State.  Sorry.

I'd debate it.  Therefore it is debatable.

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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #81 on: March 10, 2012, 04:41:03 PM »
Pretty sure we're the only top 40 program in a major conference constantly afraid of losing their coach to similar or worse program.


Illinois is a much better job than K-State.  It's a top 10 job with the right coach.   

Do not agree (that its top 10).  Maybe top 20, but once you get past the top dozen or so, I don't think it matters much.  Being pissed off where you're at and money are the only ways to get someone to move between jobs in the 13-50 range for the most part.

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« Reply #82 on: March 10, 2012, 04:45:23 PM »
Illinois is a much better job than KSU, anyone that disagrees is high on life/glue.


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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #83 on: March 10, 2012, 04:47:45 PM »
Pretty sure we're the only top 40 program in a major conference constantly afraid of losing their coach to similar or worse program.


Illinois is a much better job than K-State.  It's a top 10 job with the right coach.

Yeah because the recent and historical  trends of the two programs have born that out.  :rolleyes:


Are you serious?  They just played for a national title in 2005.  It's not even debatable... Illinois is a better job than K-State.  Sorry.
2005 was 7 years and a fired coach ago.

The number of overall wins, title game appearances, final fours, elite rights, sweet 16s, tournament appearancesand conference titles are nearly identical between the two schools, beems.  I tell you what though I won't whine about you not TSCing though, I don't need your validation when I have years of historical statistics on my side.  Call us grapes, you'll feel better.

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« Reply #84 on: March 10, 2012, 04:49:49 PM »
Illinois is a much better job than KSU, anyone that disagrees is high on life/glue.

I have a solid fact based argument that illustrates the jobs are similar, what are you and beems providing to justify your stance?

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« Reply #85 on: March 10, 2012, 04:50:48 PM »
The 1950's called and said no one gives a crap.


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« Reply #86 on: March 10, 2012, 04:52:34 PM »
If Illinois was such a great rough ridin' job, then why are they looking for a new coach?

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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #87 on: March 10, 2012, 04:53:25 PM »
Illinois is a better job based on potential I would say.  Much more money and a much stronger basketball fanbase.   They have the natural resources, but they have not taken advantage of them lately.

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« Reply #88 on: March 10, 2012, 04:54:33 PM »
Illinois is a better job based on potential I would say.  Much more money and a much stronger basketball fanbase.   They have the natural resources, but they have not taken advantage of them lately.
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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #89 on: March 10, 2012, 04:54:47 PM »
The 1950's called and said no one gives a crap.

this.  then couple that with its proximity to chicago and it's a better program/opportunity.


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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #90 on: March 10, 2012, 04:56:59 PM »
What is the cutoff for when records are irrelevant when comparing programs? I would say 1995 or so. Any results before that is pretty meaningless IMO because recruiting has changed so much.

yeah, I know ksu can't almost be a top 10 program all time if you do that, but whatever.

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« Reply #91 on: March 10, 2012, 05:01:43 PM »
What is the cutoff for when records are irrelevant when comparing programs? I would say 1995 or so. Any results before that is pretty meaningless IMO because recruiting has changed so much.

yeah, I know ksu can't almost be a top 10 program all time if you do that, but whatever.

I always think 2 decades from the current year.  Essentially, an incoming freshman's entire life.  So, like, if a kid's growing up, all he'd know is a program being good or bad or average.

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« Reply #92 on: March 10, 2012, 05:03:26 PM »
Also, I mean, replace our shitty past 2 decades with the ones we had in the mid50's to mid70's and everyone thinks KSU is the tits. 

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« Reply #93 on: March 10, 2012, 05:08:03 PM »
Why do you people think how close to Chicago matters? I love how dumbasses like 'clams uses the it isn't 1950 argument and then in the next breath acts like college basketball is still regional like it was the 50's.  Which is it :dunno:

The talk about Illinois' potential is cute but you can say that about literally any school.  Illinois is such a great basketball school and they have so much money and prestige that their final four coach made $200,000 more than our high school coach.  Last year Illinois spent $600,000 more on their basketball program than we did.  Want to guess what that will look like in 2012 since we now have a practice facility?  KSU spent $300,000 more on recruiting than Illinois.  We're not poor, we do have a burdensome sense of inferiority though.

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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #94 on: March 10, 2012, 05:12:08 PM »
Why do you people think how close to Chicago matters? I love how dumbasses like 'clams uses the it isn't 1950 argument and then in the next breath acts like college basketball is still regional like it was the 50's.  Which is it :dunno:

The talk about Illinois' potential is cute but you can say that about literally any school.  Illinois is such a great basketball school and they have so much money and prestige that their final four coach made $200,000 more than our high school coach.

It matters because they can get more kids on unofficial visits easier and see lots more games during the season easier and get talked about around town and stuff.

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« Reply #95 on: March 10, 2012, 05:13:34 PM »
What is the cutoff for when records are irrelevant when comparing programs? I would say 1995 or so. Any results before that is pretty meaningless IMO because recruiting has changed so much.

yeah, I know ksu can't almost be a top 10 program all time if you do that, but whatever.

I always think 2 decades from the current year.  Essentially, an incoming freshman's entire life.  So, like, if a kid's growing up, all he'd know is a program being good or bad or average.

It's whatever you want it to be to fit whatever your particular narrative is.  I'm fairly certain UCLA focuses on John Wooden and ignores Jim Harrick when recruiting.  Pretty sure some schools hang Helms Titles and claims them as legitimate.  I'm sure Duke and Kansas sell their historic old ass buildings.  I'm fairly certain Indiana sells the crap that happened well beyond 20 years ago.

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« Reply #96 on: March 10, 2012, 05:14:26 PM »
Why do you people think how close to Chicago matters? I love how dumbasses like 'clams uses the it isn't 1950 argument and then in the next breath acts like college basketball is still regional like it was the 50's.  Which is it :dunno:

The talk about Illinois' potential is cute but you can say that about literally any school.  Illinois is such a great basketball school and they have so much money and prestige that their final four coach made $200,000 more than our high school coach.

It matters because they can get more kids on unofficial visits easier and see lots more games during the season easier and get talked about around town and stuff.

And play in front of family/friends

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« Reply #97 on: March 10, 2012, 05:15:44 PM »
Why do you people think how close to Chicago matters? I love how dumbasses like 'clams uses the it isn't 1950 argument and then in the next breath acts like college basketball is still regional like it was the 50's.  Which is it :dunno:

The talk about Illinois' potential is cute but you can say that about literally any school.  Illinois is such a great basketball school and they have so much money and prestige that their final four coach made $200,000 more than our high school coach.

It matters because they can get more kids on unofficial visits easier and see lots more games during the season easier and get talked about around town and stuff.

As can Depaul, Notre Dame, and Northwestern.  Illinois has had the same success keeping Chicago kids as those other schools.

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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #98 on: March 10, 2012, 05:22:49 PM »
Why do you people think how close to Chicago matters? I love how dumbasses like 'clams uses the it isn't 1950 argument and then in the next breath acts like college basketball is still regional like it was the 50's.  Which is it :dunno:

The talk about Illinois' potential is cute but you can say that about literally any school.  Illinois is such a great basketball school and they have so much money and prestige that their final four coach made $200,000 more than our high school coach.

It matters because they can get more kids on unofficial visits easier and see lots more games during the season easier and get talked about around town and stuff.

As can Depaul, Notre Dame, and Northwestern.  Illinois has had the same success keeping Chicago kids as those other schools.

Are you trying to say being close to Chicago doesn't give Illinois any advantage at all? I'm really not sure what you're arguing here.

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Re: Coaching update
« Reply #99 on: March 10, 2012, 05:28:23 PM »
hey guys, Duke, Carolina, Kentucky, San Francisco, etc. they're all the rough ridin' same you idiots.


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