Coaching update

[MakeItRain]

Why do you people think how close to Chicago matters? I love how dumbasses like 'clams uses the it isn't 1950 argument and then in the next breath acts like college basketball is still regional like it was the 50's.  Which is it

The talk about Illinois' potential is cute but you can say that about literally any school.  Illinois is such a great basketball school and they have so much money and prestige that their final four coach made $200,000 more than our high school coach.

It matters because they can get more kids on unofficial visits easier and see lots more games during the season easier and get talked about around town and stuff.

As can Depaul, Notre Dame, and Northwestern.  Illinois has had the same success keeping Chicago kids as those other schools.

Are you trying to say being close to Chicago doesn't give Illinois any advantage at all? I'm really not sure what you're arguing here.

What I'm saying is that locking down recruits close to home and getting good players from elsewhere is the formula for winning everywhere, having good players within a few hours drive isn't unique to Illinois.  I'm also saying that Illinois hasn't been able to use Chicago to build a monster at this point, what will change?  Other schools are still going to get into Chicago schools and AAU tournaments and shoe camps.

Illinois fans complain that their academics prevent them from getting some really good Chicago kids, and K-State fans are talking about Chicago like it makes the Illini an unstoppable force.  Is that ironic, I can never tell?

[Cartierfor3]

Historical success is a factor, recent success is a much bigger factor (IE Uconn is a better job than San Francisco etc).  Why can't it be both and?  Geez its like all or nothing with some of you on every possible thing.

[ChiComCat]

Why do you people think how close to Chicago matters? I love how dumbasses like 'clams uses the it isn't 1950 argument and then in the next breath acts like college basketball is still regional like it was the 50's.  Which is it

The talk about Illinois' potential is cute but you can say that about literally any school.  Illinois is such a great basketball school and they have so much money and prestige that their final four coach made $200,000 more than our high school coach.

It matters because they can get more kids on unofficial visits easier and see lots more games during the season easier and get talked about around town and stuff.

As can Depaul, Notre Dame, and Northwestern.  Illinois has had the same success keeping Chicago kids as those other schools.

Are you trying to say being close to Chicago doesn't give Illinois any advantage at all? I'm really not sure what you're arguing here.

What I'm saying is that locking down recruits close to home and getting good players from elsewhere is the formula for winning everywhere, having good players within a few hours drive isn't unique to Illinois.  I'm also saying that Illinois hasn't been able to use Chicago to build a monster at this point, what will change?  Other schools are still going to get into Chicago schools and AAU tournaments and shoe camps.

Illinois fans complain that their academics prevent them from getting some really good Chicago kids, and K-State fans are talking about Chicago like it makes the Illini an unstoppable force.  Is that ironic, I can never tell?

I think you're taking it to extremes.  Chicago is a better basketball city than Kansas City and being close to it would be an advantage over K-state.  I think thats what people are saying

[Skipper44]

Outside of tOSU Big Ten schools seem kinda cheap.

 Also, the disconnect between urban Chicago and UofI has always been an issue.  Hell, Bill Self got better Chica go players at KU than when he was at Illinois.

[MakeItRain]

I agree C43.

I have a question for the Illinois is clearly a better job crowd.  All of these schools are within 250 miles of Chicago, do they all have the Chicago recruiting advantage?

Depaul
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Marquette
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Indiana
Purdue

Another question, Does the fact that Wichita had a McD's all American this year and will have another next year give KSU a boost in the close recruit rankings over Syracuse?

[kim carnes]

I agree C43.

I have a question for the Illinois is clearly a better job crowd.  All of these schools are within 250 miles of Chicago, do they all have the Chicago recruiting advantage?

Depaul
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Marquette
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Indiana
Purdue

Another question, Does the fact that Wichita had a McD's all American this year and will have another next year give KSU a boost in the close recruit rankings over Syracuse?

This is laughable.  Illinois is a better job because it is better.

[MakeItRain]

LOL solid work kim you've convinced me.

[OregonSmock]

I agree C43.

I have a question for the Illinois is clearly a better job crowd.  All of these schools are within 250 miles of Chicago, do they all have the Chicago recruiting advantage?

Depaul
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Marquette
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Indiana
Purdue

Another question, Does the fact that Wichita had a McD's all American this year and will have another next year give KSU a boost in the close recruit rankings over Syracuse?

Dude.  Illinois is the 5th most profitable basketball program in the country, and they have a big-time recruiting pipeline to Chicago.  It's a better basketball program than K-State.  I don't know what else to tell you. 

[OregonSmock]

hey guys, Duke, Carolina, Kentucky, San Francisco, etc. they're all the rough ridin' same you idiots.

 

[MakeItRain]

Are profits more important to a coach than expenditures?  I would think a coach would be pissed that his program made like $9 million more than a peer school yet spent the same.

Loving two straight posts that states Illinois is better just because it is.  Sound logic actually.

[sonofdaxjones]

Set the "much more money" aside.  $45 million in private donations to K-State athletics just in the last 2 years.   Illinois doesn't have "much more money".

[pissclams]

Another question, Does the fact that Wichita had a McD's all American this year and will have another next year give KSU a boost in the close recruit rankings over Syracuse?

Who did the McD's All-American from Wichita sign with?

[catzacker]

Illinois is like 135 miles from Chicago.  which is roughly the same distance between wichita and topeka. 

[pissclams]

Another question, Does the fact that Wichita had a McD's all American this year and will have another next year give KSU a boost in the close recruit rankings over Syracuse?

Who did the McD's All-American from Wichita sign with?

nvm, i remember, it was a local school. 

[MakeItRain]

Another question, Does the fact that Wichita had a McD's all American this year and will have another next year give KSU a boost in the close recruit rankings over Syracuse?

Who did the McD's All-American from Wichita sign with?

The argument is availability of quality recruits clams.  Between this and your USF post I'm convinced you're having a separate conversation all by yourself.

[catzacker]

Another question, Does the fact that Wichita had a McD's all American this year and will have another next year give KSU a boost in the close recruit rankings over Syracuse?

Who did the McD's All-American from Wichita sign with?

nvm, i remember, it was a local school.

it was the University of Kansas.  I had to google it.

[sys]

Chicago is a better basketball city than Kansas City and being close to it would be an advantage over K-state.  I think thats what people are saying

what do you mean by better bball city?  michigancat said something along the same lines, and it's something i completely disagree with (and one of the few advantages i think kstate has over most other large conf schools).  almost nowhere in the country cares about college basketball like kansas city and the state of kansas in general.  chicago is a great sports city, but they don't compare to kansas city in terms of fan interest in regional college bball. 

[catzacker]

Weber failing isn't some sort of sign that Illinois isn't a good job.  It's a sign that Weber isn't that good.

[ChiComCat]

Are profits more important to a coach than expenditures?  I would think a coach would be pissed that his program made like $9 million more than a peer school yet spent the same.

Loving two straight posts that states Illinois is better just because it is.  Sound logic actually.

Ask 100 knowledgeable college basketball people to rank the top 100 jobs in the country and at least 90 will put Illinois ahead of K-State.  Its not just a pile of facts/numbers, its a national perception.  A lot of the college basketball business is perception.

And by Basketball City, I meant talent producing
McDonald's all americans from Illinois in the past 10 years: 15 (at least 9 from Chicago or suburb)
Missouri/Kansas: 2

[catzacker]

Chicago is a better basketball city than Kansas City and being close to it would be an advantage over K-state.  I think thats what people are saying

what do you mean by better bball city?  michigancat said something along the same lines, and it's something i completely disagree with (and one of the few advantages i think kstate has over most other large conf schools).  almost nowhere in the country cares about college basketball like kansas city and the state of kansas in general.  chicago is a great sports city, but they don't compare to kansas city in terms of fan interest in regional college bball.

better bball city = more available talent

atleast that's the way I take those kind of comments. 

[sys]

better bball city = more available talent.

yeah, it would make sense then.

[ChiComCat]

BTW, pulled thos McD's numbers off of StatSheet.  That site is just ridiculously awesome.  Has everything

[michigancat]

I agree C43.

I have a question for the Illinois is clearly a better job crowd.  All of these schools are within 250 miles of Chicago, do they all have the Chicago recruiting advantage?

Depaul
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Marquette
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Indiana
Purdue

Compared to KSU, yes, absolutely. (except maybe Iowa and Indiana.)

Illinois and KSU are VERY, VERY similar. The biggest difference is 10 million people in the Chicago metro vs. 2 million in KC. It's enough to make Illinois a better job than KSU. However, I don't think it's enough to mean Frank is without a doubt going assuming the money is equal.

[kim carnes]

Are profits more important to a coach than expenditures?  I would think a coach would be pissed that his program made like $9 million more than a peer school yet spent the same.

Loving two straight posts that states Illinois is better just because it is.  Sound logic actually.

Look MiR, I'm trying to buy a new pair of skinny/slim fit jeans online.  I don't have time to argue with you all day.

[Trim]

I've never understood the concept of "best jobs."  There's many personally specific things that combine with the general things discussed here that would make a job desirable or not.

Aren't the majority of successful coaches the type who will think they'll be responsible for their own success, not history or mileage?