Frank and his coaching performance this year

[Dugout DickStone]

It truly is amazing what back to back top 10 road wins will do for you.

It doesn't mean we couldn't still slip, but back to back top 10 road wins also aren't some sort of fluke deal.

It is not a fluke, but it is incredibly hard/rare.  Like amazingly hard.

[pissclams]

It truly is amazing what back to back top 10 road wins will do for you.

It doesn't mean we couldn't still slip, but back to back top 10 road wins also aren't some sort of fluke deal.

It is not a fluke, but it is incredibly hard/rare.  Like amazingly hard.

still, they're not going away

[Belvis Noland]

Did we have the stones to beat MU and BU because of the early season adversity? 

Serious question.  I don't know.  If the answer is yes, Frank should be given a lot of credit.

However, we got swept by the 2nd worst team in the Conference.  And, I honestly believe that the Baylor home loss was caused by poor coaching.   

But for these 3 losses, we would be 22-5 (11-4).  Frank has done a fine job this season.  Unfortunately, other coaches in the League have done a great job.

This program isn't in a spot where we should be demanding greatness from our coaching staff.  We're competing and going to NCAA tournys.  I'm happy.  But, how many years does it take until tournament appearances are no longer good enough?  How long will it take until top-4 in Conference is no longer good enough?   


     
 

[CNS]

Did we have the stones to beat MU and BU because of the early season adversity? 

Serious question.  I don't know.  If the answer is yes, Frank should be given a lot of credit.

However, we got swept by the 2nd worst team in the Conference.  And, I honestly believe that the Baylor home loss was caused by poor coaching.   

But for these 3 losses, we would be 22-5 (11-4).  Frank has done a fine job this season.  Unfortunately, other coaches in the League have done a great job.

This program isn't in a spot where we should be demanding greatness from our coaching staff.  We're competing and going to NCAA tournys.  I'm happy.  But, how many years does it take until tournament appearances are no longer good enough?  How long will it take until top-4 in Conference is no longer good enough?   


     
 

If measuring against 2010, didn't we get swept by Nebraska or ISU or something that year?  Stupid things happen.

[mocat]

Did we have the stones to beat MU and BU because of the early season adversity? 

Serious question.  I don't know.  If the answer is yes, Frank should be given a lot of credit.

However, we got swept by the 2nd worst team in the Conference.  And, I honestly believe that the Baylor home loss was caused by poor coaching.   

But for these 3 losses, we would be 22-5 (11-4).  Frank has done a fine job this season.  Unfortunately, other coaches in the League have done a great job.

This program isn't in a spot where we should be demanding greatness from our coaching staff.  We're competing and going to NCAA tournys.  I'm happy.  But, how many years does it take until tournament appearances are no longer good enough?  How long will it take until top-4 in Conference is no longer good enough?   


     
 

If measuring against 2010, didn't we get swept by Nebraska or ISU or something that year?  Stupid things happen.

No, just KU 3 times. Lost at home to OSU & ISU, though.

I for one would be very happy with NCAA & Top 4 every year as a baseline, with the occasional Elite 8 thrown in. No question. Any KSU fan who thinks differently is a dumbass (or recently transferred to KSU-fandom from UNC-fandom, or something)

[steve dave]

Frank has done a fine job this season, but he shouldn't get a pass for not having the talent he had in the past.  09-10 blows the doors off this year unless we make some dreamy E8'ish run.

[mocat]

at the end of the reg season in 2010, KSU was 24-6 (11-5)
at the end of this reg season (if KSU beats ISU, aTm, & OSU), record will be 22-8 (11-7)

 

[Belvis Noland]

If measuring against 2010, didn't we get swept by Nebraska or ISU or something that year?  Stupid things happen.

Well, I guess the question is should Frank get a pass when "stupid things happen?"  Especially when these stupid things cost us a legitimate shot at a Conference Title? 

We shouldn't get swept by NU or ISU.  We shouldn't have lost to CU 3 times last year.  We shouldn't have been swept by OU. 

Look, I'm a Frank guy.  As long as he keeps taking us to torn-a-mints, I'm good.  He's a good coach, as it is.  I just think that Frank could be a great coach if he cleaned up some of his mental errors along the course of the season.  He could use some help in recruiting as well.     

[Cartierfor3]

If measuring against 2010, didn't we get swept by Nebraska or ISU or something that year?  Stupid things happen.

Well, I guess the question is should Frank get a pass when "stupid things happen?"  Especially when these stupid things cost us a legitimate shot at a Conference Title? 

We shouldn't get swept by NU or ISU.  We shouldn't have lost to CU 3 times last year.  We shouldn't have been swept by OU. 

Look, I'm a Frank guy.  As long as he keeps taking us to torn-a-mints, I'm good.  He's a good coach, as it is.  I just think that Frank could be a great coach if he cleaned up some of his mental errors along the course of the season.  He could use some help in recruiting as well.     

when did Frank get swept by NU or ISU again?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Also, put Frank in Austin, and over time, he wins as much, if not more, than Barnes.

I wouldn't be so sure about that one. There is a much better history of success in basketball at K-State than at Texas. Barnes has done an incredible job there.

[kougar24]

If measuring against 2010, didn't we get swept by Nebraska or ISU or something that year?  Stupid things happen.

Well, I guess the question is should Frank get a pass when "stupid things happen?"  Especially when these stupid things cost us a legitimate shot at a Conference Title? 

We shouldn't get swept by NU or ISU.  We shouldn't have lost to CU 3 times last year.  We shouldn't have been swept by OU. 

Look, I'm a Frank guy.  As long as he keeps taking us to torn-a-mints, I'm good.  He's a good coach, as it is.  I just think that Frank could be a great coach if he cleaned up some of his mental errors along the course of the season.  He could use some help in recruiting as well.     

when did Frank get swept by NU or ISU again?

Nebraska hasn't won in Manhattan since 2006, so...

[steve dave]

Also, put Frank in Austin, and over time, he wins as much, if not more, than Barnes.

I wouldn't be so sure about that one. There is a much better history of success in basketball at K-State than at Texas. Barnes has done an incredible job there.

Yeah, Barnes is a 3 time Big 12 champion and is 12 for 12 on getting into the NCAA tournement.  43% of Texas' NCAA tourny appearences have been with Barnes at the helm.  He has a 72.6 conference win %. 

[michigancat]

If measuring against 2010, didn't we get swept by Nebraska or ISU or something that year?  Stupid things happen.

Well, I guess the question is should Frank get a pass when "stupid things happen?"  Especially when these stupid things cost us a legitimate shot at a Conference Title?  

Yes, he should definitely get a "pass" this year, (whatever that is).

We shouldn't get swept by NU or ISU.  We shouldn't have lost to CU 3 times last year.  We shouldn't have been swept by OU.  

Also shouldn't have swept Mizzou or won at Baylor. The net result is positive.

Look, I'm a Frank guy.  As long as he keeps taking us to torn-a-mints, I'm good.  He's a good coach, as it is.  I just think that Frank could be a great coach if he cleaned up some of his mental errors along the course of the season.  He could use some help in recruiting as well.    

 
Every coach has "mental errors" to clean up (even great ones). I mean, I know KU is our measuring stick, but they freaking lost to Davidson. Duke lost (at home) to Miami and FSU. It's what happens in college basketball, even to the KU's and Duke's of the world. No doubt the recruiting could continue to improve, and I think it will.

[michigancat]

This program isn't in a spot where we should be demanding greatness from our coaching staff.  We're competing and going to NCAA tournys.  I'm happy.  But, how many years does it take until tournament appearances are no longer good enough?  How long will it take until top-4 in Conference is no longer good enough?   

In all seriousness, a long-ass time. Who in recent history has fired a coach that was in the NCAA tournament every year with an occasional Elite 8? And who has replaced that coach with someone better?

[wetwillie]

The thing that makes me a real Frankite is his continued improvement as a coach.  He got outcoached by Lon took the blame himself, and put together several stellar performances after it.

[steve dave]

If you are consistently top 4 in this conference you have a chance to win it and make a deep NCAA run almost every year.  WILL rough ridin' TAKE.

[felix rex]

This program isn't in a spot where we should be demanding greatness from our coaching staff.  We're competing and going to NCAA tournys.  I'm happy.  But, how many years does it take until tournament appearances are no longer good enough?  How long will it take until top-4 in Conference is no longer good enough?   

In all seriousness, a long-ass time. Who in recent history has fired a coach that was in the NCAA tournament every year with an occasional Elite 8? And who has replaced that coach with someone better?

Assholes like myself need to remember that top 4/tourney is the baseline. So the occasional elite 8 run balanced out with the occasional NIT season is part of that.

It just hurts now that I let myself care again.

[kso_FAN]

This program isn't in a spot where we should be demanding greatness from our coaching staff.  We're competing and going to NCAA tournys.  I'm happy.  But, how many years does it take until tournament appearances are no longer good enough?  How long will it take until top-4 in Conference is no longer good enough?   

In all seriousness, a long-ass time. Who in recent history has fired a coach that was in the NCAA tournament every year with an occasional Elite 8? And who has replaced that coach with someone better?

Assholes like myself need to remember that top 4/tourney is the baseline. So the occasional elite 8 run balanced out with the occasional NIT season is part of that.

It just hurts now that I let myself care again.

But wasn't the last week fun? Caring (a lot) makes wins like Baylor and Missouri even sweeter. If you were just casual hack it would just be "nice" for the watercooler and whatnot.

[Cartierfor3]

This program isn't in a spot where we should be demanding greatness from our coaching staff.  We're competing and going to NCAA tournys.  I'm happy.  But, how many years does it take until tournament appearances are no longer good enough?  How long will it take until top-4 in Conference is no longer good enough?   

In all seriousness, a long-ass time. Who in recent history has fired a coach that was in the NCAA tournament every year with an occasional Elite 8? And who has replaced that coach with someone better?

Assholes like myself need to remember that top 4/tourney is the baseline. So the occasional elite 8 run balanced out with the occasional NIT season is part of that.

It just hurts now that I let myself care again.

But wasn't the last week fun? Caring (a lot) makes wins like Baylor and Missouri even sweeter. If you were just casual hack it would just be "nice" for the watercooler and whatnot.

Yes it was.  Oodles of fun.

[catzacker]

This was a bit rush, so it might be a bit off, but just from a historical perspective, in this history of the big 12, should ksu finish in the top 4 this year, it will be the 6th consecutive year in the top 4 (tied or otherwise).  That will tie UT (‘99-04) and OU (‘98-03) as the longest streak of finishing in the top 4 (aside from KU who has finished in the top 4 every year except 2000). 

[steve dave]

This was a bit rush, so it might be a bit off, but just from a historical perspective, in this history of the big 12, should ksu finish in the top 4 this year, it will be the 6th consecutive year in the top 4 (tied or otherwise).  That will tie UT (‘99-04) and OU (‘98-03) as the longest streak of finishing in the top 4 (aside from KU who has finished in the top 4 every year except 2000). 

that's pretty ridiculous.  great stat catzacker.

[kougar24]

This was a bit rush, so it might be a bit off, but just from a historical perspective, in this history of the big 12, should ksu finish in the top 4 this year, it will be the 6th consecutive year in the top 4 (tied or otherwise).  That will tie UT (‘99-04) and OU (‘98-03) as the longest streak of finishing in the top 4 (aside from KU who has finished in the top 4 every year except 2000). 

So we should count this year as "top 4" if we go 10-8 with ISU even though they would get the 4-seed?

[catzacker]

This was a bit rush, so it might be a bit off, but just from a historical perspective, in this history of the big 12, should ksu finish in the top 4 this year, it will be the 6th consecutive year in the top 4 (tied or otherwise).  That will tie UT (‘99-04) and OU (‘98-03) as the longest streak of finishing in the top 4 (aside from KU who has finished in the top 4 every year except 2000). 

So we should count this year as "top 4" if we go 10-8 with ISU even though they would get the 4-seed?

yes.  and a hang a banner.

[Stevesie60]

This was a bit rush, so it might be a bit off, but just from a historical perspective, in this history of the big 12, should ksu finish in the top 4 this year, it will be the 6th consecutive year in the top 4 (tied or otherwise).  That will tie UT (‘99-04) and OU (‘98-03) as the longest streak of finishing in the top 4 (aside from KU who has finished in the top 4 every year except 2000). 

So we should count this year as "top 4" if we go 10-8 with ISU even though they would get the 4-seed?

Yeah, in the same way that if KU and Missouri tie for 1st, they both can claim that they won the Big 12. How is this so hard for people to understand? (Bob Stoops included)

[Belvis Noland]

Also shouldn't have swept Mizzou or won at Baylor. The net result is positive.

That's a bit of a stretch.  We've won 2 games we shouldn't have.  We've lost 3-5 games we shouldn't have.  OUx2, BU, @ISU(?), @UT(?). 

That said, going 11-7 with this team is pretty f'n impressive.  Should be better next year, too.