Baylor is a great example....

[OregonSmock]

...of how coaching makes a difference.  You guys try to diminish what Danny Manning does with KU's big men, but take a look at the development (or lack thereof) when it comes to Baylor's big men.  Perry Jones III would be a NPOY candidate under Self's system.  At Baylor, he won't even be All Big 12.  

[kstater]

Pretty sure Jones would shrink in pressure situations just as much at KU as he does at Baylor.  It's not a coaching thing that's the problem, it's the giant gaping vagina he has.

[OregonSmock]

Pretty sure Jones would shrink in pressure situations just as much at KU as he does at Baylor.  It's not a coaching thing that's the problem, it's the giant gaping vagina he has.

Bill Self molds his players into tough competitors.  Look at the transformation Withey has undergone since the beginning of the season.  Quit with the denial.

[sonofdaxjones]

Or, they just get to play more.

[steve dave]

yeah, danny manning really coaches the crap out of those 4/5 star players for four years

[CHONGS]

I think Calipari and Roy develop much better big men, but thats just MHO.

[kim carnes]

...of how coaching makes a difference.  You guys try to diminish what Danny Manning does with KU's big men, but take a look at the development (or lack thereof) when it comes to Baylor's big men.  Perry Jones III would be a NPOY candidate under Self's system.  At Baylor, he won't even be All Big 12.  

TRob is a NPOY candidate and didn't even see the floor until his JR year.  so PJ3 still has time.

[sys]

jones is more skilled than any of ku's bigs, what exactly is it that you koolaiders claim that manning teaches the ku bigs?  something other than skills?


drew's faults as a coach have to do with getting his teams to play hard.  depending on his mix of players also sometimes selfishness.  but the idea that they lack skill or don't develop skill is lollable.

[OregonSmock]

 

[OregonSmock]

"Every big guy that comes to Kansas just continues to get better from year to year to year... the progression with Danny Manning has a lot to do with that."  - Jon Sunvold 

[Pete]

Ya, the talking point that they "improve" so much is kinda diminished by the FACT that they don't get PT early in their career at KU.  KU recruits so well, that you have to wait your turn...also, they recruit so well that it's a bit easier to coach that kind of talent.  rock chalk

[OregonSmock]

Ya, the talking point that they "improve" so much is kinda diminished by the FACT that they don't get PT early in their career at KU.  KU recruits so well, that you have to wait your turn...also, they recruit so well that it's a bit easier to coach that kind of talent.  rock chalk

Morris twins started from day one.  Lottery picks.

[Pete]

Just think about how much better they'd be if Danny wasn't one of the laziest D1 assistant coaches in America.

[Pete]

Ya, the talking point that they "improve" so much is kinda diminished by the FACT that they don't get PT early in their career at KU.  KU recruits so well, that you have to wait your turn...also, they recruit so well that it's a bit easier to coach that kind of talent.  rock chalk

Morris twins started from day one.  Lottery picks.

Were they 2 stars?

[OregonSmock]

Ya, the talking point that they "improve" so much is kinda diminished by the FACT that they don't get PT early in their career at KU.  KU recruits so well, that you have to wait your turn...also, they recruit so well that it's a bit easier to coach that kind of talent.  rock chalk

Morris twins started from day one.  Lottery picks.

Were they 2 stars?

4-stars.  Perry Jones was a 5-star, though.  So was Wally Judge.


 

[Pete]

Ya, the talking point that they "improve" so much is kinda diminished by the FACT that they don't get PT early in their career at KU.  KU recruits so well, that you have to wait your turn...also, they recruit so well that it's a bit easier to coach that kind of talent.  rock chalk

Morris twins started from day one.  Lottery picks.

Were they 2 stars?

4-stars.  Perry Jones was a 5-star, though.  So was Wally Judge.


 

What was Josh Selby?

[sonofdaxjones]

Or maybe a guy like Withey just knows he's going to get playing time and so he's playing with confidence.

[OregonSmock]

Ya, the talking point that they "improve" so much is kinda diminished by the FACT that they don't get PT early in their career at KU.  KU recruits so well, that you have to wait your turn...also, they recruit so well that it's a bit easier to coach that kind of talent.  rock chalk

Morris twins started from day one.  Lottery picks.

Were they 2 stars?

4-stars.  Perry Jones was a 5-star, though.  So was Wally Judge.


 

What was Josh Selby?

5-star.  Currently playing in the NBA while Josh Pullen collects checks in Europe. 


 

[Dugout DickStone]

Why can't he get a HC job?

[Pete]

So, with Trob leaving, and Withey continuing his Danny Manning coached super star rise, there should be no drop off for the hawks next year right?  I mean, there's probably 2-3 more guys ready to make their leap in growth from Danny's magic touch, right?

We should expect to see Young and Wesley dominate next year, right?

[Pete]

Why can't he get a HC job?

He just loves KU too much to leave, LSOC.

[OregonSmock]

Why can't he get a HC job?

He can.  He doesn't want one and doesn't need the money.  



 

[sonofdaxjones]

Yep, Selby is averaging 5 minutes a game, and is shooting 16% from behind the arc.

He's scored . . . 0.0 in the previous 10 games.  In fact, in the previous 10 games the only stat Selby has is .5 steals.

[Pete]

Ya, the talking point that they "improve" so much is kinda diminished by the FACT that they don't get PT early in their career at KU.  KU recruits so well, that you have to wait your turn...also, they recruit so well that it's a bit easier to coach that kind of talent.  rock chalk

Morris twins started from day one.  Lottery picks.

Were they 2 stars?

4-stars.  Perry Jones was a 5-star, though.  So was Wally Judge.


 

What was Josh Selby?

5-star.  Currently playing in the NBA while Josh Pullen collects checks in Europe. 


 

Best coaching job of that Staff's career was somehow making Josh become a great player between the end of his college playing days and the beginning of his pro career.  Now THAT is coaching.  Hat's off to them...

[OregonSmock]

So, with Trob leaving, and Withey continuing his Danny Manning coached super star rise, there should be no drop off for the hawks next year right?  I mean, there's probably 2-3 more guys ready to make their leap in growth from Danny's magic touch, right?

We should expect to see Young and Wesley dominate next year, right?

Young and Wesley might not even be on the roster next year.  KU will have Withey, Traylor, Ellis, Peters, Lucas, and possibly Jakarr Sampson.  We will be loaded once again next season.  

Yep, Selby is averaging 5 minutes a game, and is shooting 16% from behind the arc.

He's scored . . . 0.0 in the previous 10 games.  In fact, in the previous 10 games the only stat Selby has is .5 steals.

What NBA roster is Pullen on right now?  TIA.