Angel is absolutely...

[ednksu]

People need to quit transferring their disappointment of Angel into hate for Sprads.  The critical point people here fail to realize is that Sprads is what he is and for the past few months has not be relied on as a play maker.  Guess what, Frank is treating him like the majority of the team.  Angel has been getting special treatment and has been getting a pass from the usual in game Frankment.  Angel has been doing a terrible job of picking which side of screens to go through and his decisions as a point guard have unequivocally cost us game.  On the flip side the majority of his on ball defense has been good, not even comparable to sprads, and he has won us several games, on the road with his play, when its within the system (mizzou/Baylor).

[michigancat]

Nothing says "free pass" like sitting someone for a conference game when they are perfectly healthy.

[Panjandrum]

People need to quit transferring their disappointment of Angel into hate for Sprads.  The critical point people here fail to realize is that Sprads is what he is and for the past few months has not be relied on as a play maker.  Guess what, Frank is treating him like the majority of the team.  Angel has been getting special treatment and has been getting a pass from the usual in game Frankment.  Angel has been doing a terrible job of picking which side of screens to go through and his decisions as a point guard have unequivocally cost us game.  On the flip side the majority of his on ball defense has been good, not even comparable to sprads, and he has won us several games, on the road with his play, when its within the system (mizzou/Baylor).

Angel gets a pass because the offense completely goes into the garbage when he's not on the floor.

I mean, hey, if we want to completely trash the season to prove points of Angel, whatever, but being that he's the only guard that can create right now, he needs a pass every now and again.

[Panjandrum]

People need to quit transferring their disappointment of Angel into hate for Sprads.

Also, nothing says, "Frank is treating Sprads like everyone else," when he's providing garbage in/garbage out for thirty minutes a game.

If one were to use minutes as the overall indicator of favor, especially in the context of production, Spradling may as well be a toy dog on Martin's lap.

[ednksu]

People need to quit transferring their disappointment of Angel into hate for Sprads.  The critical point people here fail to realize is that Sprads is what he is and for the past few months has not be relied on as a play maker.  Guess what, Frank is treating him like the majority of the team.  Angel has been getting special treatment and has been getting a pass from the usual in game Frankment.  Angel has been doing a terrible job of picking which side of screens to go through and his decisions as a point guard have unequivocally cost us game.  On the flip side the majority of his on ball defense has been good, not even comparable to sprads, and he has won us several games, on the road with his play, when its within the system (mizzou/Baylor).

Angel gets a pass because the offense completely goes into the garbage when he's not on the floor.

I mean, hey, if we want to completely trash the season to prove points of Angel, whatever, but being that he's the only guard that can create right now, he needs a pass every now and again.

I agree that right now in the season he makes this team go (good and bad).  Without a doubt he has learned lessons by playing through stuff that other players would learn through Frankment on the bench.  But if he is going to get a pass from Frankment, people need to recognize that he needs critical evaluation still.  He still needs to get better on defense with decision making on screens, Mizzou was great, ISU just horrid.  I just wish #teamangel people realized how good he has it, and that he still needs to get a crap ton better to make this team into its fullest potential this season.

[CHONGS]

I love the angel gets a pass from frank talking point.

very subtle

[ednksu]

I love the angel gets a pass from frank talking point.

very subtle

not what I said or intended.  Angel gets a pass from the usual frankment that most everyone else faces.  Fair enough?

[CHONGS]

I love the angel gets a pass from frank talking point.

very subtle

not what I said or intended.  Angel gets a pass from the usual frankment that most everyone else faces.  Fair enough?

I get what you are saying     

[Als Roommate]

Will needs to play 40 minutes a game.

[Panjandrum]

People need to quit transferring their disappointment of Angel into hate for Sprads.  The critical point people here fail to realize is that Sprads is what he is and for the past few months has not be relied on as a play maker.  Guess what, Frank is treating him like the majority of the team.  Angel has been getting special treatment and has been getting a pass from the usual in game Frankment.  Angel has been doing a terrible job of picking which side of screens to go through and his decisions as a point guard have unequivocally cost us game.  On the flip side the majority of his on ball defense has been good, not even comparable to sprads, and he has won us several games, on the road with his play, when its within the system (mizzou/Baylor).

Angel gets a pass because the offense completely goes into the garbage when he's not on the floor.

I mean, hey, if we want to completely trash the season to prove points of Angel, whatever, but being that he's the only guard that can create right now, he needs a pass every now and again.

I agree that right now in the season he makes this team go (good and bad).  Without a doubt he has learned lessons by playing through stuff that other players would learn through Frankment on the bench.  But if he is going to get a pass from Frankment, people need to recognize that he needs critical evaluation still.  He still needs to get better on defense with decision making on screens, Mizzou was great, ISU just horrid.  I just wish #teamangel people realized how good he has it, and that he still needs to get a crap ton better to make this team into its fullest potential this season.

I wish people that gave Angel a hard time realized that if he hadn't stepped up his game to the point where it is right now, and he sat the bench as much as they'd like him to for the purposes of "Franking", we'd probably be something like 6-10 instead of 8-8 and a solid lock for the NIT.

Frank is paid to win basketball games, and the only way he can do that is by putting Angel on the floor and rolling the dice with that decision.  With Jones out, he has no other choice.  Period.  /thread

[michigancat]

also angel doesn't make as many mistakes that get you "Franked". Idiots.

[ednksu]

People need to quit transferring their disappointment of Angel into hate for Sprads.  The critical point people here fail to realize is that Sprads is what he is and for the past few months has not be relied on as a play maker.  Guess what, Frank is treating him like the majority of the team.  Angel has been getting special treatment and has been getting a pass from the usual in game Frankment.  Angel has been doing a terrible job of picking which side of screens to go through and his decisions as a point guard have unequivocally cost us game.  On the flip side the majority of his on ball defense has been good, not even comparable to sprads, and he has won us several games, on the road with his play, when its within the system (mizzou/Baylor).

Angel gets a pass because the offense completely goes into the garbage when he's not on the floor.

I mean, hey, if we want to completely trash the season to prove points of Angel, whatever, but being that he's the only guard that can create right now, he needs a pass every now and again.

I agree that right now in the season he makes this team go (good and bad).  Without a doubt he has learned lessons by playing through stuff that other players would learn through Frankment on the bench.  But if he is going to get a pass from Frankment, people need to recognize that he needs critical evaluation still.  He still needs to get better on defense with decision making on screens, Mizzou was great, ISU just horrid.  I just wish #teamangel people realized how good he has it, and that he still needs to get a crap ton better to make this team into its fullest potential this season.

I wish people that gave Angel a hard time realized that if he hadn't stepped up his game to the point where it is right now, and he sat the bench as much as they'd like him to for the purposes of "Franking", we'd probably be something like 6-10 instead of 8-8 and a solid lock for the NIT.

Frank is paid to win basketball games, and the only way he can do that is by putting Angel on the floor and rolling the dice with that decision.  With Jones out, he has no other choice.  Period.  /thread

Without a doubt he has learned lessons by playing through stuff that other players would learn through Frankment on the bench.

already noted.  He has learned a lot.  Sometimes I wish Frank wouldn't give our bigs like Diaz the Frankment and would let them learn on the court like he has allowed Angel to do. 

[Panjandrum]

also angel doesn't make as many mistakes that get you "Franked". Idiots.

No, what mistakes he does make are accentuated by how badly Will is playing, and people who want Spradling to be the next Steve Henson are pounding them into everyone's brain over and over again.

[sys]

The critical point people here fail to realize is that Sprads is what he is and for the past few months has not be relied on as a play maker.

if spradling is what he is, then he shouldn't play.  i can live with him not being able to score off the bounce like i thought he could.  i can even live with him being so afraid of getting his crap thrown that he catches an open layup off a cut and tosses it back out instead of going up.  but if he can't shoot 3s, then he's not a big 12 starter.

[SkinnyBenny]

Reading this thread brings up an interesting question. Who has been the most polarizing JYQ@ within the last 10 years or so to goEMAW posters as a whole? What about of all sports? (Probably Queso.) 

[sonofdaxjones]

A slightly better effort than woeful on the part of Sprads and K-State probably wins yesterday.

But don't blame Sprads, blame Frank for his $hitty recruiting and the fact that Sprads played 29 minutes.

[felix rex]

Angel and JO's last few games totally cured any meltdown in me this season. They just make me so happy to be cat fan.

[ednksu]

I think this is a talking point completely underused by #teamangel: He is remaking clown shoes into a legit center.  DOB's offensive renascence is directly attributed to Angel looking for him in new ways.  I would say that has also led to a better defensive effort from JO as well. 

[kso_FAN]

if spradling is what he is, then he shouldn't play.  i can live with him not being able to score off the bounce like i thought he could.  i can even live with him being so afraid of getting his crap thrown that he catches an open layup off a cut and tosses it back out instead of going up.  but if he can't shoot 3s, then he's not a big 12 starter.

This is where I'm at. He's had 3 good shooting games (aTm, @UT, MU) in Big 12 play. That isn't enough considering the other things he brings to the table.

[j-dub]

could not be more #teamangel or more #teamrunspradsoffteamihatehim

also. skinny and ednksu.. there aren't enough facepalms in all the world.. not even close.

[Winters]

could not be more #teamangel or more #teamrunspradsoffteamihatehim

also. skinny and ednksu.. there aren't enough facepalms in all the world.. not even close.

I am #TeamJOgel

[j-dub]

could not be more #teamangel or more #teamrunspradsoffteamihatehim

also. skinny and ednksu.. there aren't enough facepalms in all the world.. not even close.

I am #TeamJOgel

[Cartierfor3]

could not be more #teamangel or more #teamrunspradsoffteamihatehim

also. skinny and ednksu.. there aren't enough facepalms in all the world.. not even close.

So without Sprads what guards do you expect to play next year?

[ednksu]

could not be more #teamangel or more #teamrunspradsoffteamihatehim

also. skinny and ednksu.. there aren't enough facepalms in all the world.. not even close.

weird, I really thought that Angel had helped JO improve.  I guess you have some other reason for JO being less shitty on the offensive side?

[CNS]

could not be more #teamangel or more #teamrunspradsoffteamihatehim

also. skinny and ednksu.. there aren't enough facepalms in all the world.. not even close.

weird, I really thought that Angel had helped JO improve.  I guess you have some other reason for JO being less shitty on the offensive side?

No question that Angel is creating for JO.  JO isn't completely innocent, he is getting where he should be, but Angel is taking the ball handling and post moves part of it out.  JO is showing very nice hands and great timing, though.  The combo of these two will be a very big reason for any success we have going forward this year as well as next.