2nd half FT attempts -- Texas 26 Kstate 0 ( and last 27 min, Tex 32 Ksu 0)

[ednksu]

So I re-read the posts in this thread, especially between you and I MIR, and I've come to the conclusion that we were arguing for the sake of arguing.  Or basically, you were insinuating that I meant things that I never said.  26-0 is pretty bad, we'll find out how bad tomorrow after I rewatch the second half.  All I was saying was that we get called for a lot of fouls because we foul more than most teams do.  I think everyone would agree with that.  When we play well we also force other teams to foul us (especially on shots) more than they usually do.  Actually, when we play really well we make tons of jumpers as well.  Well, we hacked and fouled a shitload and didn't make UT foul us.  This is the case at least from what I saw in the first half.

preemptive :dnr


19:25 – Angel gets away with a shove off
18:59 – Same possession Jamar gets away with throwning his man to the floor
18:50 – Same possession Wangamane tackles Jamar, no foul ball out of bounds to KSU
18:47 – Same possession Gip throws Chapman to the floor, no foul called.  Possession ends in missed 3 from Angel (it was a good look)
18:32 – Kabongo beats Angel, might have been fouled on way to hoop, no call, scores anyway. I think this was just acting by Kabongo.  Nice no-call.
18:20 – Gip may have been bumped down low by Champan (replay shows that there was no foul by Chapman, another good no call.
18:18 – Same possession Jamar and Wangamane get called for an LOL double-foul. This occurs while trying to rebound Gips miss.  (score 4-0 UT at this point.)
17:53 – Jamar gets away with shove of (he’s been doing this constantly) while getting a pick up top.  Jamar goes low to receive the pass on opposite block. Chapman hacks on the shot by Jamar.  Foul called Jamar to shoot two.
17:49 – Kabongo charges into Will near midcourt.  Charge called, good call, crowd boos.
17:27 – Wangamene loses Gip and gets a pass down low for an easy dunk.  He traveled on the dunk attempt but not call. Pretty obvious travel.
17:07 – Holmes gets away with an illegal screen. Kabongo gets freed for a drive to the hoop.  Gip makes a pussy reach in foul on the shot.  Kabongo makes it for an and one. Foul should have been called on the screen. Gip made matters worse by not playing defense. He barely touched him but made the arm motion going down that is going to get called every time. 
16:28 – Kabongo gets by Will and drives to the hoop Gip and someone JO help on the drive down low. Gip makes a clear blocking foul on Kabongo on the shot. Foul called. Shot goes in.
16:18 – Jaylen bond gets called for an off the ball foul battling for position.  Jamar is very good at getting guys to foul him in these situations. It wasn’t a blatant foul but easily callable and you can tell the refs have been trying to clean up the game from the tip. 
16:10 – Same possession, after a Spardling save JO ends up with the ball near the hoop, bond gets called for a foul on the shot.  I believe he made contact with JO’s lower body, or reached hard to tell.  Crowd boos (2nd booing btw), replay looks less like a foul than live shot, but still easily callable and refs have been tight all game.
15:56 – I was about to say that Jamar got away with a hack down low, but refs blew a late whistle and called the foul on the floor.

Under 16 TO (15:56) – KSU 9 possible fouls, 4 called. UT 7 possible fouls, 6 called.  Refs blew traveling call on Wangamane.  Score 11-9 UT.

15:46 or so (clock is malfunctioning on espn3) JO gets away with a trip/ illegal screen. Then Rodney is falls on dude who got tripped. Good no call on the second one. 
15:20 – Lewis? gets away with possible reach as Diaz drives with shot clock running out.  Diaz makes hoop.
15:01 – Good clean block by Southwell.
14:51 - clean clock by Chapman on Diaz.
14:36 - another clean block by Chapman on diaz.
14:34 - Diaz has position on Holmes for rebound and Holmes shoves him in the back.  Foul called.
14:17  - Shane DOBs Chapman. Very nice
13:20 – JO fouls Brown to prevent a layup.  Good hard foul by JO.
13:12 – Chapman goes for block on shot by Diaz. Clear foul. Foul called.
13:05 – Irving gets called for a bump near midcourt on Brown.  Brown flails to get the whistle.  Bad call IMO.  Frank sits Tay. ?SMH
11:54 – McClellan flails to get a foul called on McGruder on a lay up attempt. Good no call.

Under 12 TO (11:54) KSU 2 probable fouls IMO 2 called except that Tay got jobbed on his foul and JO got away with one.  UT 3  possible fouls, 2 called.  Score KSU 16-15

10:32 – KSU dicks around and runs shot clock down to nothing. Angel drives and gets stuffed. Good no cal. UT blocks the follow. Another good no call.
10:07 – Diaz slaps Kabongo in the face as Kabongo drives past for a layup.  No call
9:51 – Same Possession, Brown drives and a foul is called on Diaz on the shot.  Looked like Diaz had a hand on Brown’s back but from this angle I can’t tell if he really fouled him. 
9:51 – On KSU in bound Kabongo grabs Angel. Foul called. Good call. Crowd boos (3 memorable boos so far)
9:40 – Shane fouls McClellan to prevent an alley-oop.  Good call. Good foul.
9:32 – Angel gets away with another shove off.
9:10 - Same possession, Angel forced to drive again with shot clock running down.  Wangamene draws the charge on Angel.  Good call. 
8:35 – McClellan gets called for blocking off the ball against Will.  Good off the ball whistle.
8:00 – Gipson gets called for a reach.  I don’t think he really reached like to steal the ball, but he had his hands in as Wangamene cleared and made sure contact with his harms.  Easy Call.
7:37 – Good block by Wangamene on Spradling drive.  No call. I watched this three times looking for a foul.
7:34 – Angel called for a foul blocking on a run out lay up by UT.  I thought the block was clean. Watched it 3 times.  Bad call.
7:00 – Bond gets called for foul on McGruder FT line pull-up J.  Ticky tack foul but refs have been calling it tight.  Bond should know better.
5:35 – Fran thinks that Diaz gets away with Offensive Interferene on alley opp attempt from McGruder.  I don’t know the rule here.  But whatevs. IT looked to me like if he would have caught the ball no one would have noticed anyway.
4:47 – Will gets called for blocking on a Julian Lewis drive.  Will clearly got him with the body on the shot. Good call.
4:22 – Looked like Wangemene got away with a bit of a reach while trapping Will on the wing. No Call
4:20 – Same possession, Diaz gets away with a foul on rebound attempt.
4:14 – JO shoves Wangamene into the goalpost padding. No call.
3:24 – JO fouls Wangamene on Wangamene putback attempt.  Easy call.
1:36 – Jamar pushes McClellan in the back even though another EMAW had position on McClellan for the rebound.  Good call.  Jamar agrees.
:03 – Good block by KSU as Brown drives into the post. 

Stanza – KSU 10 possible fouls, 7 called.  One of the called fouls was BS on the Angel block.
UT – 4 possible fouls, 3 called. 

First half – KSU 21 possible fouls, 13 called (official stats have KSU at 14 so I must have missed one somewhere. KSU also got jobbed on the travel and IMO the Irving and Angel fouls.   UT – 14 possible fouls, 11 called.  Fran thinks UT got jobbed on Diaz alley oop, meh. 

Obviously the second half is what people are pissed about, but this takes a long time and I’m tired (it’s 1:35 AM).  Interesting in this half is that KSU actually got the good lead in the cleanest portion of the game. Not surprisingly it occurred when Rodney and Will were draining threes.  Funny how making shots helps the team a lot. I really couldn’t pay attention to offense/ defense execution much as I was basically just scanning the court for what IMO looked like fouls.  Gip and Tay were the only ones (I might have forgotten someone) who got called for fouls out on the perimeter for KSU.

Second half will come sometime tomorrow.  I may be proven wrong, UT may have gotten away with rape in the 2nd half.  We’ll see.

Jesus Christ, I mean I don't even know.  Nic, you literally don't understand what is happening here.  There isn't a person on thee board who said K-State didn't foul that much.  You wasted your time focused on the wrong thing. Zero is the issue, zero, zero, zero.  How is that so hard to understand?  The absolute worst no call of the day was in the first half and you didn't even mention it is your precious little game diary.  Shane was absolutely mauled by Clint Chapman when Shane dunked on his face anyway, no call.  Not only was there no call but I'm pretty sure there was a blow to the head that should have been a flagrant 1.  As I said yesterday before you started this, don't waste your time.

Your refusal to live in reality is frustrating.  I wasn't focused on the wrong thing?  I looked at all possible/ probable fouls situations for both teams.  Chapman didn't even foul Shane.  I've watched that play numerous times.  Shane didn't react to a possible foul.  The announcers didn't notice anything.  It didn't even look like a foul when you really take a look at it.  If your whole beef is that we should have shot more than zero FTs in the second half, then I agree.  I'm sure the refs missed a call or two, in fact, I know they did late.  My whole original point was that we foul all the time and didn't make them foul.  That is all I said originally and then you misconstrued my words and started talking nonsense.  It's cool though.  It's what you do.  Everyone melts down in their own way. 

I'm sure that when I take a closer look at the second half the both a) we probably should have shot more than 0 FTs b) It probably wasn't very many more than that because we didn't force UT to foul us. 

Look at the amount of contact that Shane got on that dunk and than look at the amount of contact JH, Gipson and Diaz had on their 2-4th fouls.  Comeback and tell me that was legit.

[nicname]

Also, holler at me if you are playing hoops anytime. 

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Also, holler at me if you are playing hoops anytime. 

[sys]

your coach better have been bitching up a storm in the post game presser..

he was a little busy gushing about how much he loves rick barnes, how great it was to see texas finally back to playing "barnes defense", and how good it made him feel to see seniors like the ut big playing great in their senior year.

[MakeItRain]

your coach better have been bitching up a storm in the post game presser..

he was a little busy gushing about how much he loves rick barnes, how great it was to see texas finally back to playing "barnes defense", and how good it made him feel to see seniors like the ut big playing great in their senior year.

I hate when he does that.  It's almost like he is overcompensating for his media reputation.  He's nearly completed five years and he still doesn't get that the media who don't cover him on a regular basis will always think he is a psycho and don't give two shits about his platitudes for his peers.

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your coach better have been bitching up a storm in the post game presser..

he was a little busy gushing about how much he loves rick barnes, how great it was to see texas finally back to playing "barnes defense", and how good it made him feel to see seniors like the ut big playing great in their senior year.

I hate when he does that.  It's almost like he is overcompensating for his media reputation.  He's nearly completed five years and he still doesn't get that the media who don't cover him on a regular basis will always think he is a psycho and don't give two shits about his platitudes for his peers.

I don't think he does it to placate media.  I think he highly values being boys with as many coaches as possible, which makes sense and is in large part what got him to where he is.  There will always be a good job for Marty, the oil-checking expedition leader.

[michigancat]

The FR-SO base is a nice group, but their ceiling from my perspective is an average to slightly above average team in this league.   

That's what they are now. Are you saying the freshmen and sophomores have already hit their ceiling?

Basically, yes.  Based on a snapshot of what we currently have in the program compared to the rest of the league.

What leads you to believe any differently?

He's finished in the top 4 4 out of 5 years, and his recruiting is getting better. I guess you can say that top 4 is only "slightly above average" in a 10 team league, but I think that's intentionally vague and arbitrary. I also think they could crack the top 2 or 3 before they're done.

Relative to KU, Baylor we have considerably less talent.  Relative to the young nucleus and the top 10 class at Texas? Texas is definitely more talented.  Huggins has as much or more returning.  OSU has nice crop of young talent and an emerging star in Nash.  ISU is more talented this year and the Mayor can recruit. 

It's a solid group, not taking anything away from it.  I just don't see where we overcompensate the gap in relation to the rest of the league.

Is the fact that he's finished ahead of OSU 5 out of 5 years, Baylor 4 out of 5 years, and ISU 4 out of 5 years not enough to think he can get the freshmen and sophomores to finish ahead of them? The only thing that's changed is a couple transfers at ISU. You're right that we'll probably continue to finish behind KU and UT fairly consistently as long as their coaches are in place.

[gatoveintisiete]

Also, holler at me if you are playing hoops anytime. 

I can't wait to see the 2nd half analysis  .

[wazucat]

"Why should we expect elite talent at KSU? With or without Frank? What's wrong with moving from average to slightly above average? I would like to see recruiting improve, just like you. And I think it will, based on the 2011 and 2012 classes, (which you choose to ignore because we missed some elite guys.)"

If Baylor  or  AM teams completely devoid of basketball tradition can pull in elite talent I can't see why we should not expect Martin to manage to do likewise from time to time.  Is that an unreasonable expectation?  I admit that I just do not see any inherent recruiting advantage the Baylor or  Aggie type programs might have over us.   

[catzacker]

'Te was not Tang.  That's why we don't have elite talent.  But we can all pretend that at little ol' KSU we can't expect to have nice things.

[sys]

But we can all pretend that at little ol' KSU we can't expect to have nice things.

cz, we have a very nice thing.  don't throw it away because you want the nicest thing in the world for $39.99.

[catzacker]

But we can all pretend that at little ol' KSU we can't expect to have nice things.

cz, we have a very nice thing.  don't throw it away because you want the nicest thing in the world for $39.99.

we have a nicer thing than we were used to for 20 years.  so Baylor outspends us?

[the KHAN!]

26-0 seems a bit suspect to me.

I'm hoping Jason King calls for heads on pikes and hands nailed to the Senate doors.

[michigancat]

"Why should we expect elite talent at KSU? With or without Frank? What's wrong with moving from average to slightly above average? I would like to see recruiting improve, just like you. And I think it will, based on the 2011 and 2012 classes, (which you choose to ignore because we missed some elite guys.)"

If Baylor  or  AM teams completely devoid of basketball tradition can pull in elite talent I can't see why we should not expect Martin to manage to do likewise from time to time.  Is that an unreasonable expectation?  I admit that I just do not see any inherent recruiting advantage the Baylor or  Aggie type programs might have over us.  

Aggie has not been pulling in elite talent or talent significantly better than us. I don't think they've finished ahead of us in the standings since Huggins' year, either. Baylor is a clear outlier in all of college basketball - no one has gone from as low as they were to bringing in elite talent as quickly anywhere. So I guess if you want to expect Frank to do what only one coach in college basketball has been able to do then be my guest.

[MichiganisGood]

your coach better have been bitching up a storm in the post game presser..

he was a little busy gushing about how much he loves rick barnes, how great it was to see texas finally back to playing "barnes defense", and how good it made him feel to see seniors like the ut big playing great in their senior year.

I don't get that, even if he didn't have a problem with any of the individual calls, you still bitch up a storm in the presser and throw the 26-0 disparity out there a bunch because it's such a ridiculous stat.. It's gonna make the refs think about it and set up KSU for some more favorable officiating for the next game..

[Fuktard]

First time in Big 12 history a team has had ZERO ft's attempted in a half.  I think that's what I heard Wyatt say on KU pregame.

[puniraptor]

I wish bobby knight would be a ref

[Pendergast]

Welp, the terrible officiating just keeps getting worse.

[gatoveintisiete]

I feel much more hosed tonight.  Between Angel and the officials I don't know who butt-raped us harder.