Criticisms of Frank Thread (Official)

[pissclams]

michigancat has gone full frankitetard on us

it's only january!!

[michigancat]

It's very frustrating, it's like Frank will cut off his nose(supposed lack of fit, JYCness) just to spite his face (winning games, which believe it or not, can be aided by players with offensive abilities and mentalities).

I think the JYC-ness can be taught much more easily than 3 point shooting. I know Frank likes guards to attack the rim, but Rodney NEVER did that before this season. I think attacking the rim can also be taught more easily than 3 point shooting. Sheesh.

[kso_FAN]

It's very frustrating, it's like Frank will cut off his nose(supposed lack of fit, JYCness) just to spite his face (winning games, which believe it or not, can be aided by players with offensive abilities and mentalities).

I think the JYC-ness can be taught much more easily than 3 point shooting. I know Frank likes guards to attack the rim, but Rodney NEVER did that before this season. I think attacking the rim can also be taught more easily than 3 point shooting. Sheesh.

How much/to what extent can you teach 3 PT shooting?

[michigancat]

It's very frustrating, it's like Frank will cut off his nose(supposed lack of fit, JYCness) just to spite his face (winning games, which believe it or not, can be aided by players with offensive abilities and mentalities).

I think the JYC-ness can be taught much more easily than 3 point shooting. I know Frank likes guards to attack the rim, but Rodney NEVER did that before this season. I think attacking the rim can also be taught more easily than 3 point shooting. Sheesh.

How much/to what extent can you teach 3 PT shooting?

You can tweak form, getting stronger helps (see Pullen), as does lots of practice. I think you'll see Angel's release get quicker and higher over the years.

[sys]

How much/to what extent can you teach 3 PT shooting?

rustyksu & lance harris can improve a lot.  with most other player/coach combos it's difficult.

[sys]

it's definitely turnovers.

I'm talking about over his entire career. It's mostly turnovers this year, but I don't think that's the case in prior years. Too lazy to look, though.

i just meant this year.  didn't realize how expansive the conversation had become.

[gatoveintisiete]

I’ll apologize if this complaint has already been filed, but why can Frank change/adjust offenses when it’s apparent that he’s not getting what he wants out of the one he’s running, but not change/adjust his defense when the same is apparent?  

That's a fair question. I think most coaches have one or two aspects of their program that they consider who they are and what they are about, and based on Frank's career I would guess his are pressure man defense and rebounding. And when those things have been the consistent strengths of his program, its unlikely he's going to change and he's going to put his career on the line based on those things. The other things are up for change, and obviously "his" offense was the first thing he was willing to make a major overhaul with. I highly doubt his defense will ever change, no matter where he ends up, unless things start going really south with the program. The strength of this team (by far) is still defense, the biggest problem with this team is offense right now.

What defines Franks teams are not pressure man and rebounding, they are defined by their willingness to play harder than the other team each night.  You can give more effort with any strategy you chose.

[kso_FAN]

I’ll apologize if this complaint has already been filed, but why can Frank change/adjust offenses when it’s apparent that he’s not getting what he wants out of the one he’s running, but not change/adjust his defense when the same is apparent? 

That's a fair question. I think most coaches have one or two aspects of their program that they consider who they are and what they are about, and based on Frank's career I would guess his are pressure man defense and rebounding. And when those things have been the consistent strengths of his program, its unlikely he's going to change and he's going to put his career on the line based on those things. The other things are up for change, and obviously "his" offense was the first thing he was willing to make a major overhaul with. I highly doubt his defense will ever change, no matter where he ends up, unless things start going really south with the program. The strength of this team (by far) is still defense, the biggest problem with this team is offense right now.

What defines Franks teams are not pressure man and rebounding, they are defined by their willingness to play harder than the other team each night.  You can give more effort with any strategy you chose.

Yes, but I think they go together, at least in Frank's mind. You don't really think he's going to change his defensive philosophy do you?

Also, I think the weaknesses of Martin teams have been fairly clear.

1) Turnovers on offense.
2) Poor/inconsistent shooting.
3) Fouling too much.

[gatoveintisiete]

I’ll apologize if this complaint has already been filed, but why can Frank change/adjust offenses when it’s apparent that he’s not getting what he wants out of the one he’s running, but not change/adjust his defense when the same is apparent? 

That's a fair question. I think most coaches have one or two aspects of their program that they consider who they are and what they are about, and based on Frank's career I would guess his are pressure man defense and rebounding. And when those things have been the consistent strengths of his program, its unlikely he's going to change and he's going to put his career on the line based on those things. The other things are up for change, and obviously "his" offense was the first thing he was willing to make a major overhaul with. I highly doubt his defense will ever change, no matter where he ends up, unless things start going really south with the program. The strength of this team (by far) is still defense, the biggest problem with this team is offense right now.
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What defines Franks teams are not pressure man and rebounding, they are defined by their willingness to play harder than the other team each night.  You can give more effort with any strategy you chose.

Yes, but I think they go together, at least in Frank's mind. You don't really think he's going to change his defensive philosophy do you?

Also, I think the weaknesses of Martin teams have been fairly clear.

1) Turnovers on offense.
2) Poor/inconsistent shooting.
3) Fouling too much.

All I want addressed with the defense is the most basic thing, stop penetration to the rim. This would eliminate alot of fouling alone, but we also need to curtail the over agressive one on one hand-checking at half court.
I  looked through the games on statsheet that we lost and turnovers historically have not been the problem, you have to remember that a stagnet offense that stands around passing on the perimeter that we have had in the past doesn't commit many turnovers but also doesn't create easy shots either to your point of poor shooting.  When k-state struggles it is simply due to not being able to control an opposing offensive player, examples below

Games where we lost and got beat off the dribble all night, offensive turnover total to the right

08-09 Kentucky   Meeks    16to
08-09 Ku               Taylor, Collins   12to
09-10 Osu            Anderson        16to
09-10 Ole miss    White, Warren   11to
10-11 Wiscy          Taylor                8to
10-11 Col              Burks, Higgins    15,10,11to
10-11 Fla               Walker, Boynton     9to
10-11 Duke           Irving                      21to
11-12 Isu                White                   12to
11-12 Baylor           Jackson              20to

LOL at turnovertards, Stop the damn ball

[econocat]

I'm tired of watching you sit pouting with your chin in your hand when your team is struggling instead of calling a timeout and settling them down.  COACH dude please!

[ednksu]

team played too much 1v1 bb in the 2nd half.

[purplenutz]

Criticisms of Frank . . .

. . . 1) illogical and overly emotional anger driven Substitution patterns
. . . 2) Man crushes on over-hyped latino players with marginal basketball IQ (Denis is the ONLY exception).
. . . 3) The way he rode Pullen's butt literally for 4 years while giving Angel a free pass for sucking.
. . . 4) The way he pimped himself for the Miami job. Disgusting.
. . . 5) He almost always places the blame on the players.

[wazucat]

Gets team to play hard and inspired in early season reaching Top 25 status with overachievers -  stupid fans, like me, get excited only  to be doused with cold reality during the conference season.

[mocat]

Criticisms of Frank . . .

. . . 1) illogical and overly emotional anger driven Substitution patterns    Yes
. . . 2) Man crushes on over-hyped latino players with marginal basketball IQ (Denis is the ONLY exception).     
. . . 3) The way he rode Pullen's butt literally for 4 years while giving Angel a free pass for sucking.     
. . . 4) The way he pimped himself for the Miami job. Disgusting.        Yes
. . . 5) He almost always places the blame on the players.       

[kcnut]

I love frank when he angry i love him more.

[bubbles4ksu]

I love frank when he angry i love him more.

The Word

[Sandstone Outcropping]

I would like to use the official Frank Criticism Thread to criticize Frank for losing a lot to coaches who used to play for Big 8 / Big XII schools -- Bill Self, Tad Boyle, Fred Hoiberg, and Lon Kruger.

Also, how does he expect to win when he is wearing that horrible bow tie? Even if he is trying to cure AIDS by wearing it.

Other than that, I can't think of any criticisms to add to this thread.

[JavaCat]

I'm sure this is tuck, but I hate seeing Frank doing his best Wooly impression on the sideline. The head down, rubbing the temples, shaking the head, staring off into space, etc. just make me sad. I want him with the sly smile or yelling at someone. Those other faces are not the faces of the Frank I love.

[Berries and Cream]

No idea if this is true, but...

Brian Mull
? @BGMull
 
40 percent of scholarship college basketball players transfer by end of their sophomore year at original school. 2-in-5.

[Stevesie60]

No way. Maybe he meant 4%, or .4%.

[jtksu]

Guess maybe, if you include juco players?

[MakeItRain]

It likely isn't 40 but its a hell of a lot more than 4

[pissclams]

I'm sure this is tuck, but I hate seeing Frank doing his best Wooly impression on the sideline. The head down, rubbing the temples, shaking the head, staring off into space, etc. just make me sad. I want him with the sly smile or yelling at someone. Those other faces are not the faces of the Frank I love.

add - picking nose, waving index finger across face,

[Belvis Noland]

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/07/3474812/martins-wildcats-are-again-hitting.html

Good article.  Frank admits everything I've posted in this thread. Props to me, I guess. 

Long term goal is to be ready in March.  Doesn't care in the slightest if games are lost early on. 

That's fine.  So long as we don't give a crap about conference championships. 

[SuperG]

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/07/3474812/martins-wildcats-are-again-hitting.html

Good article.  Frank admits everything I've posted in this thread. Props to me, I guess. 

Long term goal is to be ready in March.  Doesn't care in the slightest if games are lost early on. 

That's fine.  So long as we don't give a crap about conference championships.

I'm glad we're going to the NCAA's more often than not, but this is why we'll never win the Big XII and why we'll lose to KU 2.5 times per season as long as Frank's the coach. There's just so many life lessons to be taught and Frank only gets 4 years to teach all of them...