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[sys]

Frank made a declaration to his team, to the fans, to Angel, (to whoever is paying attention) that good, bad, or indifferent Angel is the guy he wants to have the ball when the game is on the line. He reinforced that decision by putting Angel back in the game for the last possession after he took him out after the two TOs. In many ways this was a long term decision, not unlike other Franking around decisions he has made in the past with personel.

it literally amazes me that other fans (not all, most, the stupid ones) don't see the ar-t that i see.  he's going to be so, so rough ridin' good.  already is good.  it is just so obvious.


not like pullen, that wasn't obvious, at least not to me during his freshman year.

[kim carnes]

Frank made a declaration to his team, to the fans, to Angel, (to whoever is paying attention) that good, bad, or indifferent Angel is the guy he wants to have the ball when the game is on the line. He reinforced that decision by putting Angel back in the game for the last possession after he took him out after the two TOs. In many ways this was a long term decision, not unlike other Franking around decisions he has made in the past with personel.

it literally amazes me that other fans (not all, most, the stupid ones) don't see the ar-t that i see.  he's going to be so, so rough ridin' good.  already is good.  it is just so obvious.


not like pullen, that wasn't obvious, at least not to me during his freshman year.

why do people keep talking about angel?  he has played well for a freshman and will likely be a pretty good player, but jfc please stop talking about him.   he barely even plays.

[sys]

why do people keep talking about angel?  he has played well for a freshman and will likely be a pretty good player, but jfc please stop talking about him.   he barely even plays.

you're a great example of someone that can't see it.  thanks.

[kim carnes]

why do people keep talking about angel?  he has played well for a freshman and will likely be a pretty good player, but jfc please stop talking about him.   he barely even plays.

you're a great example of someone that can't see it.  thanks.

stop it sys, stop it

[sys]

why do people keep talking about angel?  he has played well for a freshman and will likely be a pretty good player, but jfc please stop talking about him.   he barely even plays.

you're a great example of someone that can't see it.  thanks.

stop it sys, stop it

ok, thanks.

[michigancat]

I think he will be really good, but I don't know about Pullen good. Not yet, anyway. Of course, I didn't think Pullen would be Pullen good. But I think Pullen was slightly better at this point in his career, mostly because he had to play more. So maybe you're right.

[kim carnes]

I think he will be really good, but I don't know about Pullen good. Not yet, anyway. Of course, I didn't think Pullen would be Pullen good. But I think Pullen was slightly better at this point in his career, mostly because he had to play more. So maybe you're right.

sys was joking about the pullen thing, even if he won't admit it.  pullen is our all-time points leader for god's sake.

[sys]

sys was joking about the pullen thing, even if he won't admit it.

i'm not.  it's possible, though not likely, that i'm wrong, but i'm not at all joking.

[catzacker]

Frank made a declaration to his team, to the fans, to Angel, (to whoever is paying attention) that good, bad, or indifferent Angel is the guy he wants to have the ball when the game is on the line. He reinforced that decision by putting Angel back in the game for the last possession after he took him out after the two TOs. In many ways this was a long term decision, not unlike other Franking around decisions he has made in the past with personel.

it literally amazes me that other fans (not all, most, the stupid ones) don't see the ar-t that i see.  he's going to be so, so rough ridin' good.  already is good.  it is just so obvious.


not like pullen, that wasn't obvious, at least not to me during his freshman year.

pullen wasn't obvious?  maybe because he played more and maybe because I was just comparing him to clent, but I loved him the first time I saw him against Pitt State.  All time leading scorer?  No one sees that.  but I thought it was obvious that he would be better than any point we had since beane.  and I only say beane because he's the last point that I can remember liking. 

so maybe angel's "problem" is that I'm comparing him to pullen (and/or clemente).  and in comparison, he doens't look as good.  nor does he look like he'll be better.  but it's probably because he didn't get the court time that jake did.  I mean, jake had the opportunity to win the Oregon game and got a charge called on him, then he goes to OU (doesn't get a charge called on him) and dishes to Mike for the game winner.  So i dunno, maybe the question is why isn't angel getting more minutes?  Is Sprads/Tay better than Clent/Young?

[pissclams]

I think he will be really good, but I don't know about Pullen good. Not yet, anyway. Of course, I didn't think Pullen would be Pullen good. But I think Pullen was slightly better at this point in his career, mostly because he had to play more. So maybe you're right.

sys has gone full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on the #teamangel bus. 
art can't and won't be as good as pullen.  as undersized as pullen was, art is even more undersizeier.  his ceiling is much lower than pullen's ever was.

[pissclams]

also pullen was a member of GRCOAT

[kso_FAN]

Frank made a declaration to his team, to the fans, to Angel, (to whoever is paying attention) that good, bad, or indifferent Angel is the guy he wants to have the ball when the game is on the line. He reinforced that decision by putting Angel back in the game for the last possession after he took him out after the two TOs. In many ways this was a long term decision, not unlike other Franking around decisions he has made in the past with personel.

it literally amazes me that other fans (not all, most, the stupid ones) don't see the ar-t that i see.  he's going to be so, so rough ridin' good.  already is good.  it is just so obvious.


not like pullen, that wasn't obvious, at least not to me during his freshman year.

I agree with the upside, though he's much more of a "point guard" than Pullen was, so I don't think he'll score the points that he did. Angel is more likely to finish higher in assists.

I think the thing with most fans though is that they still haven't gotten used to Frank doing Frank things with personel. I don't believe there are a lot of other coaches that would throw Angel out there like Frank did at the end of the Baylor game. Yes, there is more upside because I believe Angel is the best guard we have at getting inside defenses and getting the ball to people to score. He is also the long term answer as the primary ball handler in Frank's double combo guard system. But you also don't know for sure he won't go in there in throw back to back bad passes that lead to lay-ups on the other end.

[Skipper44]

I am glad the Club Athena MU game when Frank sat Pullen was brought up, it is the flip side to the same coin as playing Angel crunch time.  Both decisions are for  the long term benefit of the program.

Clearly the Pullen franking paid off, playing Angel in early in his career in these situations is less clear.However, the fact he is the only guard we have that consistently tries to create offense only gives more ammo to play Angel at crunch time.  After seeing how Pullen turned out, ISWT IMWT.

[michigancat]

I am glad the Club Athena MU game when Frank sat Pullen was brought up, it is the flip side to the same coin as playing Angel crunch time.  Both decisions are for  the long term benefit of the program.

Clearly the Pullen franking paid off, playing Angel in early in his career in these situations is less clear.However, the fact he is the only guard we have that consistently tries to create offense only gives more ammo to play Angel at crunch time.  After seeing how Pullen turned out, ISWT IMWT.

good post. Someone pointed out that Frank doesn't seem to care about the regular season - he's just building the team for the tournament. Sometimes it seems like he's building the team for two seasons from now. (and wow, how freaking good will we be then).

But I really don't think either playing Angel in crunch time or not playing Angel in crunch time against Baylor makes a significant difference in the long term OR short term results.

[kso_FAN]

But I really don't think either playing Angel in crunch time or not playing Angel in crunch time against Baylor makes a significant difference in the long term OR short term results.

Well, it did sort of make a difference in the short term...

[catzacker]

for a player frank believes in, he hasn't played as much.  jake played 347 minutes through 15 games, Angel has played 272.  That's almost two less games worth of time.  And the Jake/clent/young rotation is similar to angel/tay/spradling.  

[michigancat]

But I really don't think either playing Angel in crunch time or not playing Angel in crunch time against Baylor makes a significant difference in the long term OR short term results.

Well, it did sort of make a difference in the short term...

did it really? You really can't know the answer to  that. And the 37% second half TO rate suggests that it probably wouldn't.

[kougar24]

for a player frank believes in, he hasn't played as much.  jake played 347 minutes through 15 games, Angel has played 272.  That's almost two less games worth of time.  And the Jake/clent/young rotation is similar to angel/tay/spradling. 

No, denied. Assassino Bianco is significantly better than senior Clent, in almost every relevant category.

'Tay and senior Young are more similar, but 'Tay is still better in almost every relevant way.

When you put them together as a rotation, Bianco/'Tay destroys Clent/Young.

[catzacker]

so if will fouls more than clent (thus needing a sub more often) then i'd expect angel's minutes to comparable.  and if he's just as good and/or better than pullen (as sys claims), then I definitely would. 

fine, frank wants to play angel.  THEN DO IT FRANK.  Otherwise, don't exepct the same results.

[kougar24]

so if will fouls more than clent (thus needing a sub more often) then i'd expect angel's minutes to comparable.  and if he's just as good and/or better than pullen (as sys claims), then I definitely would. 

fine, frank wants to play angel.  THEN DO IT FRANK.  Otherwise, don't exepct the same results.

Bianco's and SR Clent's minutes per game are almost identical, with Bianco playing 1 more mpg.

[catzacker]

clent, for the entire season, had 4 games w/ 4 fouls and fouled out 1 time.  Will, in 15 games, has 3 games w/ 4 fouls and has fouled out 1 time.  You would think w/ El Superman on the bench, will's foul trouble(s) would translate into more minutes for angel, or at least off set the "will is better than clent so will would play more than clent thus angel would play less than jake".  

[kso_FAN]

for a player frank believes in, he hasn't played as much.  jake played 347 minutes through 15 games, Angel has played 272.  That's almost two less games worth of time.  And the Jake/clent/young rotation is similar to angel/tay/spradling.  

I don't think the situations are that similar, but I agree that Frank has brought Angel along more slowly than Jake.

Jake ended his FR year at 58% of the possible minutes played. Angel is currently at 44%, but I'd guess it will be closer to 50% by the end of the year. Still the fact that Frank played Angel like he did at the both of our close games (WVU and BU) tells me that Frank likes to have Angel in for close game situations.

[kso_FAN]

For added comparision, Will finished at 54.8% of minutes played last year as a FR.

[kougar24]

for a player frank believes in, he hasn't played as much.  jake played 347 minutes through 15 games, Angel has played 272.  That's almost two less games worth of time.  And the Jake/clent/young rotation is similar to angel/tay/spradling. 

I don't think the situations are that similar

They aren't. As I said, 'Tay/Bianco >>> Clent/Young, statistically (which I'm sure you already looked up).

[sys]

pullen wasn't obvious?

not to me.  i thought he'd be a low efficiency volumn scorer.  i thought he'd help you score, but not win.  certainly never expected him to be an above average defender, much less the best perimeter defender in the big 12.  pullen is the most wrong on a player i've ever been.

it sounds like pullen was your ar-t.  congrats.