Time Magazine's "Person of the Year"

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

[LickNeckey]

the poop heard round the world

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

So, I haven't read the article, but I assume they equate OWS to the Tea Party?

[MakeItRain]

So, I haven't read the article, but I assume they equate OWS to the Tea Party?

Comparing OWS to the tea party is silly mainly because most people are too stupid to do it right.  But it is ridiculous for conservatives to act like the tea party wasn't a ridiculous crap show when it started and still is to an extent.  They're both grassroots efforts by well intended people who got their message hijacked by a poor initial delivery.  The biggest difference is the tea party had people with power and money to get the focus back onto the mainstream message of the grassroot movement.  OWS doesn't have that.  Many tea partiers don't even know who they're mad at.  They can't even get organized enough to produce a legit 3rd party candidate for president.  Why are the tea party candidates running as republicans?  That makes no sense if we take the tea party at its word for what it is.  crap the tea partiers still have chapters or clubs or whatever the hell you call them calling our biracial president a skunk.  Is that the message the tea partiers are trying to convey?

[steve dave]

I thought one was the younger urban version of the other

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

So, I haven't read the article, but I assume they equate OWS to the Tea Party?

Comparing OWS to the tea party is silly mainly because most people are too stupid to do it right.  But it is ridiculous for conservatives to act like the tea party wasn't a ridiculous crap show when it started and still is to an extent.  They're both grassroots efforts by well intended people who got their message hijacked by a poor initial delivery.  The biggest difference is the tea party had people with power and money to get the focus back onto the mainstream message of the grassroot movement.  OWS doesn't have that.  Many tea partiers don't even know who they're mad at.  They can't even get organized enough to produce a legit 3rd party candidate for president.  Why are the tea party candidates running as republicans?  That makes no sense if we take the tea party at its word for what it is.  crap the tea partiers still have chapters or clubs or whatever the hell you call them calling our biracial president a skunk.  Is that the message the tea partiers are trying to convey?

Isn't TEA and acronym for Taxed Enough Already? Seems like a pretty clear message to me.  Occupy Wall Street, which has become a toy of the unions, has never had a coherent message other than 99% vs 1%, whatever that means.   As for a third party TEA candidate, that's just stupid, and playing into the hands of the liberals. They already have 60+ members in the congress, and I assume more will be in 2012.  I doubt you will see any OCW members voted into congress; Well, maybe one from Minnesota or someplace politically whacky like that.


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[ednksu]

So, I haven't read the article, but I assume they equate OWS to the Tea Party?

Comparing OWS to the tea party is silly mainly because most people are too stupid to do it right.  But it is ridiculous for conservatives to act like the tea party wasn't a ridiculous crap show when it started and still is to an extent.  They're both grassroots efforts by well intended people who got their message hijacked by a poor initial delivery.  The biggest difference is the tea party had people with power and money to get the focus back onto the mainstream message of the grassroot movement.  OWS doesn't have that.  Many tea partiers don't even know who they're mad at.  They can't even get organized enough to produce a legit 3rd party candidate for president.  Why are the tea party candidates running as republicans?  That makes no sense if we take the tea party at its word for what it is.  crap the tea partiers still have chapters or clubs or whatever the hell you call them calling our biracial president a skunk.  Is that the message the tea partiers are trying to convey?

Isn't TEA and acronym for Taxed Enough Already? Seems like a pretty clear message to me.  Occupy Wall Street, which has become a toy of the unions, has never had a coherent message other than 99% vs 1%, whatever that means.   As for a third party TEA candidate, that's just stupid, and playing into the hands of the liberals. They already have 60+ members in the congress, and I assume more will be in 2012.  I doubt you will see any OCW members voted into congress; Well, maybe one from Minnesota or someplace politically whacky like that.


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you should really read up about the OWS movement.  Every time you post about them it makes you look really ignorant.

Both groups complain about the union between big government and big corporations.  Both bitch about the Fed and concurrency manipulation.  Both complain about the banks holding the average American hostage while corrupting the government into making their losses socialized losses.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

So, I haven't read the article, but I assume they equate OWS to the Tea Party?

Comparing OWS to the tea party is silly mainly because most people are too stupid to do it right.  But it is ridiculous for conservatives to act like the tea party wasn't a ridiculous crap show when it started and still is to an extent.  They're both grassroots efforts by well intended people who got their message hijacked by a poor initial delivery.  The biggest difference is the tea party had people with power and money to get the focus back onto the mainstream message of the grassroot movement.  OWS doesn't have that.  Many tea partiers don't even know who they're mad at.  They can't even get organized enough to produce a legit 3rd party candidate for president.  Why are the tea party candidates running as republicans?  That makes no sense if we take the tea party at its word for what it is.  crap the tea partiers still have chapters or clubs or whatever the hell you call them calling our biracial president a skunk.  Is that the message the tea partiers are trying to convey?

Isn't TEA and acronym for Taxed Enough Already? Seems like a pretty clear message to me.  Occupy Wall Street, which has become a toy of the unions, has never had a coherent message other than 99% vs 1%, whatever that means.   As for a third party TEA candidate, that's just stupid, and playing into the hands of the liberals. They already have 60+ members in the congress, and I assume more will be in 2012.  I doubt you will see any OCW members voted into congress; Well, maybe one from Minnesota or someplace politically whacky like that.


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you should really read up about the OWS movement.  Every time you post about them it makes you look really ignorant.

Both groups complain about the union between big government and big corporations.  Both bitch about the Fed and concurrency manipulation.  Both complain about the banks holding the average American hostage while corrupting the government into making their losses socialized losses.

One wants less government, the other wants more. One wants less union power, the other wants more. One abhors socialism, the other thinks that's just the ticket. One is a group of law-abiding citizens who engage in lawful, orderly protest, the other is a group of thugs, druggies, homeless, and anarchists.

If you want to make idiotic equivalencies between the Tea Party and OWS, we've already got a thread for that.

[michigancat]

I think that both the Tea Party and OWS protestors have a flawed and inconsistent message, but I can admire what both sides have accomplished am glad both groups exist.

Still, isn't this award as much about Arab protestors as anything?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I think that both the Tea Party and OWS protestors have a flawed and inconsistent message, but I can admire what both sides have accomplished am glad both groups exist.

Still, isn't this award as much about Arab protestors as anything?

Completely agree. Reagan and Mao may have had different messages, but I admire that they were both great leaders. That's the important thing.

Yeah, the article does seem to focus pretty heavily on the "Arab Spring." That seems to be working out really well, so far.

[MakeItRain]

I think that both the Tea Party and OWS protestors have a flawed and inconsistent message, but I can admire what both sides have accomplished am glad both groups exist.

Still, isn't this award as much about Arab protestors as anything?

  I'm sure john dumbass will find a way to disagree

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I think that both the Tea Party and OWS protestors have a flawed and inconsistent message, but I can admire what both sides have accomplished am glad both groups exist.

Still, isn't this award as much about Arab protestors as anything?

  I'm sure john dumbass will find a way to disagree

Why so angry?

No, I don't disagree that both have accomplished something, but the accomplishments really can't be compared. And, of course, Time won't mention the TEA party protestors as they don't fit with their agenda.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I think that both the Tea Party and OWS protestors have a flawed and inconsistent message, but I can admire what both sides have accomplished am glad both groups exist.

Still, isn't this award as much about Arab protestors as anything?

Completely agree. Reagan and Mao may have had different messages, but I admire that they were both great leaders. That's the important thing.

Yeah, the article does seem to focus pretty heavily on the "Arab Spring." That seems to be working out really well, so far.

Yes, what has the Arab spring accomplished?  They have successfully replaced oppressive dictators with oppressive theocracies that hate America and what we stand for. Fantastic.

[steve dave]

I think that both the Tea Party and OWS protestors have a flawed and inconsistent message, but I can admire what both sides have accomplished am glad both groups exist.

Still, isn't this award as much about Arab protestors as anything?

Completely agree. Reagan and Mao may have had different messages, but I admire that they were both great leaders. That's the important thing.

Yeah, the article does seem to focus pretty heavily on the "Arab Spring." That seems to be working out really well, so far.

Yes, what has the Arab spring accomplished?  They have successfully replaced oppressive dictators with oppressive theocracies that hate America and what we stand for. Fantastic.

I know this is going to sound strange but most citizens of foreign countries don't put the US's interests above their own. 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I think that both the Tea Party and OWS protestors have a flawed and inconsistent message, but I can admire what both sides have accomplished am glad both groups exist.

Still, isn't this award as much about Arab protestors as anything?

Completely agree. Reagan and Mao may have had different messages, but I admire that they were both great leaders. That's the important thing.

Yeah, the article does seem to focus pretty heavily on the "Arab Spring." That seems to be working out really well, so far.

Yes, what has the Arab spring accomplished?  They have successfully replaced oppressive dictators with oppressive theocracies that hate America and what we stand for. Fantastic.

I know this is going to sound strange but most citizens of foreign countries don't put the US's interests above their own. 

True, most couldn't care less about us, except for our billions in foreign aid, but the theocracies do care and have the power to eff with us.

[michigancat]

sheesh

[LickNeckey]

I think that both the Tea Party and OWS protestors have a flawed and inconsistent message, but I can admire what both sides have accomplished am glad both groups exist.

Still, isn't this award as much about Arab protestors as anything?

Completely agree. Reagan and Mao may have had different messages, but I admire that they were both great leaders. That's the important thing.

Yeah, the article does seem to focus pretty heavily on the "Arab Spring." That seems to be working out really well, so far.

Yes, what has the Arab spring accomplished?  They have successfully replaced oppressive dictators with oppressive theocracies that hate America and what we stand for. Fantastic.

Essentially the same thing that a decade of intervention, thousands of american lives, and billions of dollars of military spending have. 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I think that both the Tea Party and OWS protestors have a flawed and inconsistent message, but I can admire what both sides have accomplished am glad both groups exist.

Still, isn't this award as much about Arab protestors as anything?

Completely agree. Reagan and Mao may have had different messages, but I admire that they were both great leaders. That's the important thing.

Yeah, the article does seem to focus pretty heavily on the "Arab Spring." That seems to be working out really well, so far.

Yes, what has the Arab spring accomplished?  They have successfully replaced oppressive dictators with oppressive theocracies that hate America and what we stand for. Fantastic.

Essentially the same thing that a decade of intervention, thousands of american lives, and billions of dollars of military spending have. 

Yup.

[DQ12]

I think that both the Tea Party and OWS protestors have a flawed and inconsistent message, but I can admire what both sides have accomplished am glad both groups exist.

Still, isn't this award as much about Arab protestors as anything?

Completely agree. Reagan and Mao may have had different messages, but I admire that they were both great leaders. That's the important thing.

Yeah, the article does seem to focus pretty heavily on the "Arab Spring." That seems to be working out really well, so far.

Yes, what has the Arab spring accomplished?  They have successfully replaced oppressive dictators with oppressive theocracies that hate America and what we stand for. Fantastic.

Ha.  Have any studies to back that up?  Because what they hate is almost exclusively our foreign policy.  They also don't care much for the sexual nature of American culture, but guess what, neither do a lot of Americans.

The Arab spring had different effects in different places and a lot of the effects remain to be seen.  It was generally a good thing for Middle Easterners.

[ednksu]

i'm sorry but the Arab spring has been a failure.  It was started as a democratic movement.  Now we have hardline muslim groups coming to power in Egypt.  Syria is on the bring of civil war with no one doing anything to help.  Libya is about to descend into tribal based civil war.  Yemen still has their dictator in power with no intervention. Yemen still has AQ running training camps in their backyard. 

[ednksu]

So, I haven't read the article, but I assume they equate OWS to the Tea Party?

Comparing OWS to the tea party is silly mainly because most people are too stupid to do it right.  But it is ridiculous for conservatives to act like the tea party wasn't a ridiculous crap show when it started and still is to an extent.  They're both grassroots efforts by well intended people who got their message hijacked by a poor initial delivery.  The biggest difference is the tea party had people with power and money to get the focus back onto the mainstream message of the grassroot movement.  OWS doesn't have that.  Many tea partiers don't even know who they're mad at.  They can't even get organized enough to produce a legit 3rd party candidate for president.  Why are the tea party candidates running as republicans?  That makes no sense if we take the tea party at its word for what it is.  crap the tea partiers still have chapters or clubs or whatever the hell you call them calling our biracial president a skunk.  Is that the message the tea partiers are trying to convey?

Isn't TEA and acronym for Taxed Enough Already? Seems like a pretty clear message to me.  Occupy Wall Street, which has become a toy of the unions, has never had a coherent message other than 99% vs 1%, whatever that means.   As for a third party TEA candidate, that's just stupid, and playing into the hands of the liberals. They already have 60+ members in the congress, and I assume more will be in 2012.  I doubt you will see any OCW members voted into congress; Well, maybe one from Minnesota or someplace politically whacky like that.


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you should really read up about the OWS movement.  Every time you post about them it makes you look really ignorant.

Both groups complain about the union between big government and big corporations.  Both bitch about the Fed and concurrency manipulation.  Both complain about the banks holding the average American hostage while corrupting the government into making their losses socialized losses.

One wants less government, the other wants more. One wants less union power, the other wants more. One abhors socialism, the other thinks that's just the ticket. One is a group of law-abiding citizens who engage in lawful, orderly protest, the other is a group of thugs, druggies, homeless, and anarchists.

If you want to make idiotic equivalencies between the Tea Party and OWS, we've already got a thread for that.

you bring up the biggest mistake of the OWS movement and why it is doomed to failure.  It was great to start off as an organic movement for all the qualities mentioned.  The problem with OWS is that there is no one there to police the message and separate the movement from the radicals.  The TEA party did a great job of that.  When the media tried to construct the Tea Party as being racists the organizers like Beck touted their one black friend.  When the message shifted to Tea party being closer to anti gov militias they tied their wagon to the Palins of the world.  Coincidentally what has the Tea party done that has been good for America?  oh thats right, NOTHING.  In fact they have hurt America because they allied themselves with the evangelicals and radicals of the Republican party instead of courting small government, fiscally conservative voters.

[DQ12]

i'm sorry but the Arab spring has been a failure.  It was started as a democratic movement.  Now we have hardline muslim groups coming to power in Egypt.  Syria is on the bring of civil war with no one doing anything to help.  Libya is about to descend into tribal based civil war.  Yemen still has their dictator in power with no intervention. Yemen still has AQ running training camps in their backyard. 

At the very least, self-determination and a sort of democracy has been accomplished in Egypt.  I'm sorry it's not the brand of self-determination that most Americans prefer.

If the standard for success for the Arab Spring was a peaceful, secular, democratic transition, then yes, it failed.  Although, that's a ridiculous standard that has really never happened anywhere in the world.

[mortons toe]

i'm sorry but the Arab spring has been a failure.  It was started as a democratic movement.  Now we have hardline muslim groups coming to power in Egypt.  Syria is on the bring of civil war with no one doing anything to help.  Libya is about to descend into tribal based civil war.  Yemen still has their dictator in power with no intervention. Yemen still has AQ running training camps in their backyard. 

Congrats, you basically said that Beck was right.

[ednksu]

i'm sorry but the Arab spring has been a failure.  It was started as a democratic movement.  Now we have hardline muslim groups coming to power in Egypt.  Syria is on the bring of civil war with no one doing anything to help.  Libya is about to descend into tribal based civil war.  Yemen still has their dictator in power with no intervention. Yemen still has AQ running training camps in their backyard. 

At the very least, self-determination and a sort of democracy has been accomplished in Egypt.  I'm sorry it's not the brand of self-determination that most Americans prefer.

If the standard for success for the Arab Spring was a peaceful, secular, democratic transition, then yes, it failed.  Although, that's a ridiculous standard that has really never happened anywhere in the world.

the Arab spring was started by pro democracy advocates, not by Muslim Brotherhood cronies.  That is why the Glenn Beck talking point falls short.  The problem is that the government has been so full of fail that the Muslim Brotherhood had stepped in to provide basic social services in the slums.  Now those people only know which hand has been feeding and 'educating' them.  The people in the slums only know the Brotherhood talking points .  That is why the Arab Spring is failing.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

i'm sorry but the Arab spring has been a failure.  It was started as a democratic movement.  Now we have hardline muslim groups coming to power in Egypt.  Syria is on the bring of civil war with no one doing anything to help.  Libya is about to descend into tribal based civil war.  Yemen still has their dictator in power with no intervention. Yemen still has AQ running training camps in their backyard. 

Congrats, you basically said that Beck was right.

yeah.