Poll: Cotton or Alamo?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Ok, so now that a Big 12 BCS At-Large is almost totally , where do the Cats end up?

Assuming we beat ISU, Cotton has to prefer us over a 9-3 OU if they lose next week. But if OU wins, who gets the nod?

[Pete]

As long as we get our Big 12 Championship trophy I couldn't give a rough ridin' crap where our bowl game ends up.   

[pike]

As long as we get our Big 12 Championship trophy I couldn't give a rough ridin' crap where our bowl game ends up.   

Yeah I agree. OU has started looking like crap again though so we may not get it.

[kim carnes]

Is Houston supposed to go to the sugar?

[ReelBigJ]

I have thought all year that OU would be OSU.  After watching the OU ISU game today I'm not so sure.  It was like Stoops was trying to give ISU a reason to stick around.  Boomer Sooner? 

[kim carnes]

It sucks that Houston has to be invited.

[Dugout DickStone]

I just don't care about stupid BCS game.  Cotton is better.

[kim carnes]

I just don't care about stupid BCS game.  Cotton is better.

If OU wins, I think they'll get Cotton.

[kim carnes]

Right now, it looks like this:

Nat Title: LSU v Bama
Fiesta: OU/OSU v Stanford
Orange: VaTech/Clemson v Louisville
Rose: Oregon v MichiganSt/Wisconsin
Sugar: Michigan v Houston

There is no room for us in there.  Everyone pray for Cotton.  Pray hard.

[Rams]

Yeah, because OSU was amazing in their last game. 

OU's going to boatrace them.  Book it.

[Panjandrum]

Right now, it looks like this:

Nat Title: LSU v Bama
Fiesta: OU/OSU v Stanford
Orange: VaTech/Clemson v Louisville
Rose: Oregon v MichiganSt/Wisconsin
Sugar: Michigan v Houston

There is no room for us in there.  Everyone pray for Cotton.  Pray hard.

If both teams end up 10-2, and OU wins Bedlam, they'll get the Sugar over Michigan.  If you're running the Sugar Bowl, you know that fans from Norman will drive the six hours to New Orleans vs. all of the Michigan fans.  I mean, seriously, you have two teams within eight hours of NO...that's who they're going to go with.  Especially if OU ends up in the Top 8.

If it came down to KSU and Michigan, yeah, I'd probably say Michigan.  But OU vs. Michigan?  I'll go with OU.

I mean, really, if we beat ISU and OU wins Bedlam, we'll get a share of the B12 title and a Cotton Bowl.  Not a bad season.

Also, in your scenario, if we beat ISU, there is no way OU ends up in the Fiesta.  Tiebreaker stipulations if we all end up at 7-2 mean OU is technically third since OSU and KSU both beat Baylor, and that's the criteria if there's a three way tie.  OU ends up in the Fiesta if we lose to ISU and they beat OSU.  If we beat ISU, there's no possible way they end up in the Fiesta regardless of how Bedlam shakes out.

[ksu101]

Right now, it looks like this:

Nat Title: LSU v Bama
Fiesta: OU/OSU v Stanford
Orange: VaTech/Clemson v Louisville
Rose: Oregon v MichiganSt/Wisconsin
Sugar: Michigan v Houston

There is no room for us in there.  Everyone pray for Cotton.  Pray hard.

If both teams end up 10-2, and OU wins Bedlam, they'll get the Sugar over Michigan.  If you're running the Sugar Bowl, you know that fans from Norman will drive the six hours to New Orleans vs. all of the Michigan fans.  I mean, seriously, you have two teams within eight hours of NO...that's who they're going to go with.  Especially if OU ends up in the Top 8.

If it came down to KSU and Michigan, yeah, I'd probably say Michigan.  But OU vs. Michigan?  I'll go with OU.

I mean, really, if we beat ISU and OU wins Bedlam, we'll get a share of the B12 title and a Cotton Bowl.  Not a bad season.

If OU wins next week. wouldn't they go to Fiesta?

[kim carnes]

Right now, it looks like this:

Nat Title: LSU v Bama
Fiesta: OU/OSU v Stanford
Orange: VaTech/Clemson v Louisville
Rose: Oregon v MichiganSt/Wisconsin
Sugar: Michigan v Houston

There is no room for us in there.  Everyone pray for Cotton.  Pray hard.

If both teams end up 10-2, and OU wins Bedlam, they'll get the Sugar over Michigan.  If you're running the Sugar Bowl, you know that fans from Norman will drive the six hours to New Orleans vs. all of the Michigan fans.  I mean, seriously, you have two teams within eight hours of NO...that's who they're going to go with.  Especially if OU ends up in the Top 8.

If it came down to KSU and Michigan, yeah, I'd probably say Michigan.  But OU vs. Michigan?  I'll go with OU.

I mean, really, if we beat ISU and OU wins Bedlam, we'll get a share of the B12 title and a Cotton Bowl.  Not a bad season.

If OU wins next week. wouldn't they go to Fiesta?

Yes.  So I'm not sure why I said they would go to Cotton if they win.  I think there is a good chance OSU goes to Cotton over us if they lose next week.

[ksu101]

If OU wins next week. They get the big12 automatic bid. So that leaves us and OSU for Cotton. 

[wetwillie]

Only three scenarios exist in my mind


1. OU beats OSU:  Cats get coveted Big 12 Title go to alamo bowl(ideal scenario)
2. OU loses to OSU, T Boone buys his way into the NC game, Cats go to Fiesta(far from ideal)
3. OU loses to OSU, BCS tells T Boone NO DENIED, OSU goes to Fiesta, OU goes to Cotton, Cats go to Alamo( I become inconsolable after meltdown)

[Panjandrum]

Right now, it looks like this:

Nat Title: LSU v Bama
Fiesta: OU/OSU v Stanford
Orange: VaTech/Clemson v Louisville
Rose: Oregon v MichiganSt/Wisconsin
Sugar: Michigan v Houston

There is no room for us in there.  Everyone pray for Cotton.  Pray hard.

If both teams end up 10-2, and OU wins Bedlam, they'll get the Sugar over Michigan.  If you're running the Sugar Bowl, you know that fans from Norman will drive the six hours to New Orleans vs. all of the Michigan fans.  I mean, seriously, you have two teams within eight hours of NO...that's who they're going to go with.  Especially if OU ends up in the Top 8.

If it came down to KSU and Michigan, yeah, I'd probably say Michigan.  But OU vs. Michigan?  I'll go with OU.

I mean, really, if we beat ISU and OU wins Bedlam, we'll get a share of the B12 title and a Cotton Bowl.  Not a bad season.

If OU wins next week. wouldn't they go to Fiesta?

Yes

If we beat ISU, no.  Since there would be a three way tie, the next criteria would be head-to-head victories against the #4 team, which would be Baylor.  Because KSU and OSU beat Baylor, and OU didn't, it would then go head-to-head between OSU and KSU, which we lose.

If we beat ISU, there is no way OU goes to the Fiesta.  So, you're wrong.

[Panjandrum]

If OU wins next week. They get the big12 automatic bid. So that leaves us and OSU for Cotton. 

Wrong.

[kim carnes]

If OU wins next week. They get the big12 automatic bid. So that leaves us and OSU for Cotton. 

Wrong.

Pretty sure they do, they have head-to-head over both OSU and KSU.

[kso_FAN]

The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.

Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.

This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.

[wetwillie]

If OU wins next week. They get the big12 automatic bid. So that leaves us and OSU for Cotton.  

Wrong.

Would OSU still have the higher BCS ranking even after a loss?

[Panjandrum]

Only three scenarios exist in my mind


1. OU beats OSU:  Cats get coveted Big 12 Title go to alamo bowl(ideal scenario)
2. OU loses to OSU, T Boone buys his way into the NC game, Cats go to Fiesta(far from ideal)
3. OU loses to OSU, BCS tells T Boone NO DENIED, OSU goes to Fiesta, OU goes to Cotton, Cats go to Alamo( I become inconsolable after meltdown)

Scenarios if KSU beats ISU:

OSU beats OU: KSU finishes second in Big 12, and most likely ends up in Cotton Bowl over 9-3 OU.
OU beats OSU: KSU finished in 3-way tie for first in Big 12, gets a trophy, and ends up in Cotton Bowl after OSU gets Fiesta bid and OU gets an at-large to Sugar Bowl

There really aren't other scenarios than that.  That's really all there is.

[kim carnes]

Only three scenarios exist in my mind


1. OU beats OSU:  Cats get coveted Big 12 Title go to alamo bowl(ideal scenario)
2. OU loses to OSU, T Boone buys his way into the NC game, Cats go to Fiesta(far from ideal)
3. OU loses to OSU, BCS tells T Boone NO DENIED, OSU goes to Fiesta, OU goes to Cotton, Cats go to Alamo( I become inconsolable after meltdown)

Scenarios if KSU beats ISU:

OSU beats OU: KSU finishes second in Big 12, and most likely ends up in Cotton Bowl over 9-3 OU.
OU beats OSU: KSU finished in 3-way tie for first in Big 12, gets a trophy, and ends up in Cotton Bowl after OSU gets Fiesta bid and OU gets an at-large to Sugar Bowl

There really aren't other scenarios than that.  That's really all there is.

If OU wins, they would be Big12 champ and would be in Fiesta.

[pike]

I just don't care about stupid BCS game.  Cotton is better.

Agree. We may not even have to worry about this stupid BCS selection process in the future anyway.

[Panjandrum]

If OU wins next week. They get the big12 automatic bid. So that leaves us and OSU for Cotton.  

Wrong.

Pretty sure they do, they have head-to-head over both OSU and KSU.

The following procedure will determine the Big 12 Conference representative to the Bowl Championship Series in the event of a first-place tie:

    If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
    If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 4 will be followed until a determination is made. Once a team has been eliminated from a multi-team comparison, it is dropped from further comparisons. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
        The records of the three teams will be compared against each other
        The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in the conference
        The highest ranked team in the first Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative, unless the two highest ranked tied teams are ranked within one spot of the other in the BCS poll. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two highest ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the Bowl Championship Series.
        The representative will be chosen by draw.

I was wrong, you were correct.  Strike everything I said before this.  I missed that line and skipped to the next one.

[catzacker]

The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.

Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.

This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.

This.   However, if we beat isu and big game bob loses, it will be hard for me not to be mad at someone/something.  But I'll probably just take out my anger on frank/bball. Kinda win/win for me now that I think about it.