Poll: Cotton or Alamo?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

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[kim carnes]

Only three scenarios exist in my mind


1. OU beats OSU:  Cats get coveted Big 12 Title go to alamo bowl(ideal scenario)
2. OU loses to OSU, T Boone buys his way into the NC game, Cats go to Fiesta(far from ideal)
3. OU loses to OSU, BCS tells T Boone NO DENIED, OSU goes to Fiesta, OU goes to Cotton, Cats go to Alamo( I become inconsolable after meltdown)

Scenarios if KSU beats ISU:

OSU beats OU: KSU finishes second in Big 12, and most likely ends up in Cotton Bowl over 9-3 OU.
OU beats OSU: KSU finished in 3-way tie for first in Big 12, gets a trophy, and ends up in Cotton Bowl after OSU gets Fiesta bid and OU gets an at-large to Sugar Bowl

There really aren't other scenarios than that.  That's really all there is.

Good god, this, and other posts, are just wrong. If OU wins, they go to Fiesta, because that's where the Big 12 champ goes (unless they go to the NC). And the Big 12 is not currently getting an at-large bid to the Sugar Bowl, and it is extremely unlikely at this point that a spot will open up.

Thanks luke, we've already established that.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Not sure if this matters, but OSU has been in the Cotton Bowl in 2004 and 2010 (losing both times to Ole Miss, by the way). Not sure if this would make any difference for the Cotton committee.

[Panjandrum]

The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.

Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.

This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.

Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games?  That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.

I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition.  Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14.  Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.

[Panjandrum]

Only three scenarios exist in my mind


1. OU beats OSU:  Cats get coveted Big 12 Title go to alamo bowl(ideal scenario)
2. OU loses to OSU, T Boone buys his way into the NC game, Cats go to Fiesta(far from ideal)
3. OU loses to OSU, BCS tells T Boone NO DENIED, OSU goes to Fiesta, OU goes to Cotton, Cats go to Alamo( I become inconsolable after meltdown)

Scenarios if KSU beats ISU:

OSU beats OU: KSU finishes second in Big 12, and most likely ends up in Cotton Bowl over 9-3 OU.
OU beats OSU: KSU finished in 3-way tie for first in Big 12, gets a trophy, and ends up in Cotton Bowl after OSU gets Fiesta bid and OU gets an at-large to Sugar Bowl

There really aren't other scenarios than that.  That's really all there is.

Good god, this, and other posts, are just wrong. If OU wins, they go to Fiesta, because that's where the Big 12 champ goes (unless they go to the NC). And the Big 12 is not currently getting an at-large bid to the Sugar Bowl, and it is extremely unlikely at this point that a spot will open up.

I owned up to the error.

[kim carnes]

The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.

Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.

This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.

Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games?  That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.

I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition.  Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14.  Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.

Who knows, but I don't like our chances.

[kso_FAN]

The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.

Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.

This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.

Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games?  That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.

I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition.  Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14.  Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.

I don't disagree with any of that, but its bowl selection. You never know what could happen and there aren't any guarantees.

[wetwillie]

I need Steve Dave to log on and tell me that neither a 9-3 OU team or 10-2 OSU team get a Cotton Invite over the cats.  And that we would destroy both teams by 94.

[Panjandrum]

The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.

Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.

This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.

Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games?  That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.

I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition.  Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14.  Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.

Who knows, but I don't like our chances.

It may depend on who the opponent is.  I did some more checking, and the Capital One Bowl must select the team with the best record in the SEC outside of the BCS teams.  I "think" that would be a 10-2 Arkansas as opposed to a 10-3 Georgia, fresh off of a title-game loss.

After that, the Cotton and the Outback get an almost simultaneous 3/4 pick in the SEC.  The Cotton typically takes a West team, while the Outback takes an East team.  But if Arkansas is off of the table, it's basically Georgia and South Carolina on the board.  My guess is that the Outback gets first crack and takes a 10-2 South Carolina, while the Cotton gets Georgia.

So, if you're the Cotton Bowl, would you want to have your two selections be teams that ended their seasons with a loss?  Or do you take Georgia and and pit them against a surprising team in KSU that will travel in droves down to Dallas?

I mean, honestly, I think it's at worst a 40% shot if that's how it shakes out.

[kim carnes]

The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.

Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.

This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.

Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games?  That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.

I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition.  Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14.  Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.

Who knows, but I don't like our chances.

It may depend on who the opponent is.  I did some more checking, and the Capital One Bowl must select the team with the best record in the SEC outside of the BCS teams.  I "think" that would be a 10-2 Arkansas as opposed to a 10-3 Georgia, fresh off of a title-game loss.

After that, the Cotton and the Outback get an almost simultaneous 3/4 pick in the SEC.  The Cotton typically takes a West team, while the Outback takes an East team.  But if Arkansas is off of the table, it's basically Georgia and South Carolina on the board.  My guess is that the Outback gets first crack and takes a 10-2 South Carolina, while the Cotton gets Georgia.

So, if you're the Cotton Bowl, would you want to have your two selections be teams that ended their seasons with a loss?  Or do you take Georgia and and pit them against a surprising team in KSU that will travel in droves down to Dallas?

I mean, honestly, I think it's at worst a 40% shot if that's how it shakes out.

Our best chance at Cotton is for me to book non-refundable flights to San Antonio.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games?  That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.

I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition.  Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14.  Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.

I agree with all of this, and it's what I'm banking on. Also, we have the "probable National COTY LHC Bill Snyder" angle in our favor. The only reason I see Cotton taking 10-2 OSU over 10-2 Cats is if they think they can sell more advertising based on OSU's "high power offense." I doubt that travel or ticket sales will be an issue either way - the game is already sold out.

[Panjandrum]

Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games?  That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.

I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition.  Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14.  Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.

I agree with all of this, and it's what I'm banking on. Also, we have the "probable National COTY LHC LHC Bill Snyder" angle in our favor. The only reason I see Cotton taking 10-2 OSU over 10-2 Cats is if they think they can sell more advertising based on OSU's "high power offense." I doubt that travel or ticket sales will be an issue either way - the game is already sold out.

To the point above, even if OU wins Bedlam, a 10-2 OSU may get a look at the Sugar Bowl due to proximity and the fact that an OSU vs. Houston game may be intriguing because of OSU's BCS rank (which will be a lot higher than Michigan's) and the potential for a shootout of historic proportions due to the nature of both teams.  A Houston/OSU game does look better on paper than Houston/Michigan.

[kim carnes]

Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games?  That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.

I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition.  Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14.  Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.

I agree with all of this, and it's what I'm banking on. Also, we have the "probable National COTY LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder" angle in our favor. The only reason I see Cotton taking 10-2 OSU over 10-2 Cats is if they think they can sell more advertising based on OSU's "high power offense." I doubt that travel or ticket sales will be an issue either way - the game is already sold out.

To the point above, even if OU wins Bedlam, a 10-2 OSU may get a look at the Sugar Bowl due to proximity and the fact that an OSU vs. Houston game may be intriguing because of OSU's BCS rank (which will be a lot higher than Michigan's) and the potential for a shootout of historic proportions due to the nature of both teams.  A Houston/OSU game does look better on paper than Houston/Michigan.

At this point, it is a foregone conclusion that Michigan will be in the sugar bowl.

[bigDcat]

Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games?  That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.

I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition.  Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14.  Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.

I agree with all of this, and it's what I'm banking on. Also, we have the "probable National COTY LHC LHC Bill Snyder" angle in our favor. The only reason I see Cotton taking 10-2 OSU over 10-2 Cats is if they think they can sell more advertising based on OSU's "high power offense." I doubt that travel or ticket sales will be an issue either way - the game is already sold out.

To the point above, even if OU wins Bedlam, a 10-2 OSU may get a look at the Sugar Bowl due to proximity and the fact that an OSU vs. Houston game may be intriguing because of OSU's BCS rank (which will be a lot higher than Michigan's) and the potential for a shootout of historic proportions due to the nature of both teams.  A Houston/OSU game does look better on paper than Houston/Michigan.

Ticket sales won't matter for both of these bowls. Any team that gets picked for the Cotton or Sugar will sell out their allotment of tickets. It will be all about which teams will bring the most national TV audience.

[Panjandrum]

Well, one benefit to the Alamo Bowl would be that it would give us a great chance for an 11th win considering that Oregon and Stanford are headed to the BCS, while USC is ineligible.

Here are the leading candidates for the Pac-12 spot in the Alamo:

Washington (7-5)
Utah (7-5)
Cal (7-5)
Arizona St. (6-6)

I honestly have no idea who would get the bid there.  Maybe Washington since they had the best Pac-12 record?

[gokatgo]

I had a dream last night that the Cats got Arky in the Cotton and Texas got Nubb in the Insight.

I woke up giggling.

[Stevesie60]

I had a dream last night that the Cats got Arky in the Cotton and Texas got Nubb in the Insight.
I woke up giggling.

 

[Panjandrum]

I had a dream last night that the Cats got Arky in the Cotton

That's my nightmare, actually.  Do.  Not.  Want.

Would rather play in the Alamo than face Arkansas.

[Testy Westy]

These threads are getting harder and harder to read because you're all so Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

[wes mantooth]

good grief rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thread city here.

beat isu and hope ou beats osu...everything else is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) you bunch of idiots

you retards worried about rough ridin' bowls makes me hate our dumbass fans

[Panjandrum]

good grief rough ridin' respect thread city here.

beat isu and hope ou beats osu...everything else is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) you bunch of idiots

you retards worried about rough ridin' bowls makes me hate our dumbass fans

I don't think you can find one person that doesn't hope this happens.

I don't think it's stupid to hope for a good bowl game.  It's icing on the cake.

[wes mantooth]

good grief rough ridin' respect thread city here.

beat isu and hope ou beats osu...everything else is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) you bunch of idiots

you retards worried about rough ridin' bowls makes me hate our dumbass fans

I don't think you can find one person that doesn't hope this happens.

I don't think it's stupid to hope for a good bowl game.  It's icing on the cake.

but who seriously gives a eff?  i guess if you like to talk about stupid "scenarios" they go ahead.  big xii title or who gives a eff.  if osu beats ou and we somehow luck into a bcs, yeah great, but i'll still be pissed.  want the damn dr pepper trophy

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The more I think about it, I think Cotton will probably choose OSU if OU wins bedlam.

Let's look at the things the committee may consider:
- National Interest: Edge, OSU. OSU was a national title contender for most of the year, and therefore has a lot more media exposure this year. They also have much more high-scoring offense. K-State is a great story, and has the COTY LHC Bill Snyder angle, but the edge still goes to OSU. This is the most important factor because advertising dollars drive the decision-making process.
- Final BCS Ranking: Edge, OSU. Even is OU thumps OSU, they'll still finish higher than KSU.
- Matchups: Draw. Of the potential SEC opponents, I don't see that ither OSU or KSU has a more compelling matchup.
- Local Economy (Travel): Edge, KSU. This may seem counterintuitive, since OSU Is twice as close to Dallas, but K-Staters will actually use more hotel rooms because they are further away, and KSU will be a lot more excited about this game than OSU Fans.

What else will they look at?

Oh, and along these same lines, there is no way in hell Michigan does not go to Sugar Bowl. They're Michigan. Only chance now is for Houston to somehow lose to Southern Miss.

[Dugout DickStone]

The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.

Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.

This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.

Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games?  That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.

I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition.  Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14.  Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.

I don't disagree with any of that, but its bowl selection. You never know what could happen and there aren't any guarantees.

The Animal steps in.  and that's a guarantee, brah.

[CyberToothCat]

Oh, and along these same lines, there is no way in hell Michigan does not go to Sugar Bowl. They're Michigan. Only chance now is for Houston to somehow lose to Southern Miss.

Michigan was ranked #15 in last week's BCS poll.  They barely hung on to beat a 6-6 Ohio St team by 6 points.

No one in the top 14 lost.  In order for them to move up in the standings, they have to jump over someone.  #14 Mich State beat Michigan head to head and won the division.  #13 UGA won the SEC east and stomped #23 Georgia Tech on Saturday.  #12 South Carolina beat #17 Clemson handily on Saturday.  Who will they jump?  Do you think #11 K-State will drop below Mich St, UGA, So Carolina AND Michigan in today's BCS standings?

Furthermore, #16 Wisconsin piss-pounded #21 Penn State to win their division and earn a spot in the big 10 title game.  I think there is a very good chance that Wisky leapfrogs over Michigan.  I think it is very possible, and maybe even probable, that Michigan moves down a spot in the BCS standings and I think Baylor will be very close behind them.  After Baylor beats Texas on the 3rd, Baylor could very well jump Michigan as well.  I do not think it is a foregone conclusion that Michigan will make it into the top 14 of the BCS.