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"Playing better" for Kansas football...
« on: October 20, 2011, 10:22:36 AM »
I suppose improvement is relative. I've heard and read several times this week how Kansas is playing "better" because they had a decent half of football against OU. Or that they've had moments of good football at home because they were up 20-0 against Tech. But for every "good moment" for KU football there are worse bad moments. Like being outscored by Tech 45-7 after that 20-0 lead (before a late touchdown made the score look semi-close). Or after "holding their own" with OU for a half, coming out in the 2nd half and gaining 8 yards on offense while not having a drive cross their own 40 yard line, let alone midfield.

KU has some nice offensive players and they can (and likely will) score some points, but losing in Lawrence wouldn't just take K-State playing bad, it would take K-State playing at the level they did against EKU. Also keep in mind K-State is coming off of putting together arguably its best combined offensive and defensive performance of the season. In the 2nd half against Tech K-State gained 230 yards (most yards in any half in the last 4 games) and scored 21 points (most points in any half) and gained 6.1 yards per play (2nd most YPP in any half). Meanwhile the defense allowed only 4.1 YPP (matching the 1st half in Miami as the fewest YPP allowed) while allowing only 6 points (3 points in the first half against Missouri and Miami were the only 2 halves with less).

Key per play stats:

KU Off yards per play: 5.78 (#55)
KU Off points per play: .43 (#50)
KU Off TOs per possession: .020 (#40)
KU return game yards per return (KO and Punt): 19.24 (#35)

KU Def YPP: 7.64 (#120)
KU Def PPP: .66 (#120)
KU Def TO forced PP: .009 (#119)
KU return def YPR: 18.1 (#68)

KSU Off YPP: 4.81 (#98)
KSU Off PPP: .42 (#56)
KSU Off TOPP: .017 (#21)
KSU Ret YPP: 20.41 (#23)

KSU Def YPP: 5.26 (#50)
KSU Def PPP: .30 (#32)
KSU Def TOFPP: .033 (#28)
KSU Ret Def YPP: 17.34 (#55)

Both teams have faced defenses with average scoring and total yards numbers in the 40s nationally. K-State has faced offenses with average scoring and total yards in the 40s while KU has faced offenses that average in the top 10 in both scoring and yards. But KU's numbers are so terrible on defense its hard to just give them excuse of facing great competition. They simply don't stop people from scoring or gaining yards in chunks, nor to they force turnovers. And the only running team they've faced that incorporates power and option like we do ran for 700 yards. Granted, GT is more explosive on offense than we are.

Its really difficult to think of scenarios where KU wins this game, thought is possible they hang around for a while like they did against OU. It will take soem soft of fluke defensive performance for KU to keep us out of the upper 30s or 40s offensively.

The only way this game stays close:
1) KU is +2 or more in TO margin.
2) K-State gives up more than 3 or 4 +30 yard plays.
3) KU wins special teams by a large margin.

I don't see all 3 of those happening. Snyder will not let K-State look past KU.

Cats 41
KU 24


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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2011, 10:25:21 AM »
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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 10:27:34 AM »
The only way this game stays close:
1) KU is +2 or more in TO margin.
2) K-State gives up more than 3 or 4 +30 yard plays.
3) KU wins special teams by a large margin.

I don't see all 3 of those happening. Snyder will not let K-State look past KU.

Cats 41
KU 24

i could absolutely see us turning the ball over a few times and getting owned on special teams. it's also going to be a morning game in a half filled stadium. team could easily come out half asleep etc.

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 10:28:57 AM »
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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 10:39:32 AM »
They are one letter away from being EKU.   :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:




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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 11:57:05 AM »
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The guy throws like a girl and plays so tight it looks like his head is going to explode. He doesn't appear to be that fast. Literally, best thing he's got going for him is strength and toughness. And yet he gets the job done. Honestly, Bucktooth Bill's game management has been amazing to get a team QBed by that guy to 7 and 0. Honestly, he makes Zac Wegner look like a superstar. Geez, if we don't have a chance against that guy we really, really suck. LHC Bill Snyder might beat KU and we might beat ourselves, but I cannot believe that Colin Klein will beat the Jayhawks.

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2011, 12:13:07 PM »
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The guy throws like a girl and plays so tight it looks like his head is going to explode. He doesn't appear to be that fast. Literally, best thing he's got going for him is strength and toughness. And yet he gets the job done. Honestly, Bucktooth Bill's game management has been amazing to get a team QBed by that guy to 7 and 0. Honestly, he makes Zac Wegner look like a superstar. Geez, if we don't have a chance against that guy we really, really suck. LHC LHC Bill Snyder might beat KU and we might beat ourselves, but I cannot believe that Colin Klein will beat the Jayhawks.

Still upset about his TD while trying to kneel the clock out last year.

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2011, 12:16:09 PM »
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The guy throws like a girl and plays so tight it looks like his head is going to explode. He doesn't appear to be that fast. Literally, best thing he's got going for him is strength and toughness. And yet he gets the job done. Honestly, Bucktooth Bill's game management has been amazing to get a team QBed by that guy to 7 and 0. Honestly, he makes Zac Wegner look like a superstar. Geez, if we don't have a chance against that guy we really, really suck. LHC Bill Snyder might beat KU and we might beat ourselves, but I cannot believe that Colin Klein will beat the Jayhawks.

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2011, 12:24:02 PM »
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The guy throws like a girl and plays so tight it looks like his head is going to explode. He doesn't appear to be that fast. Literally, best thing he's got going for him is strength and toughness. And yet he gets the job done. Honestly, Bucktooth Bill's game management has been amazing to get a team QBed by that guy to 7 and 0. Honestly, he makes Zac Wegner look like a superstar. Geez, if we don't have a chance against that guy we really, really suck. LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder might beat KU and we might beat ourselves, but I cannot believe that Colin Klein will beat the Jayhawks.

Still upset about his TD while trying to kneel the clock out last year.

Already at 7-0  :party:

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2011, 12:27:33 PM »
Is that Zack Wegner before his finger was turned into mush by our d, or after?

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2011, 12:40:06 PM »
Is that Zack Wegner before his finger face was turned into mush by our d, or after?

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2011, 12:41:14 PM »
54-17  :ksu:

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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2011, 12:48:19 PM »
Is that Zack Wegner before his finger was turned into mush by our d, or after?

I'll never forget that moment.  An attorney I know scored some tickets in the rich people ku alumni section, 50 yardline.  It was then I learned that leather jackets and wool pants were the raingear of choice among them.  ku was sitting at about -500 yards rushing on the day and Zac was grabbed by the ankle trying to get away.   Just as Litton and Kelly were closing in everyone in my section could see it about to happen and it got dead quiet.  I took advantage of the silence and screamed out "CAN YOU FEEL THAT!" just as the infamous Zac Wagner Crunch occurred.  Everyone in about a 30 row radius turned and gave me the death stare and the  :nono:.  I gave them the  :emawkid: back.  It was awesome...

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2011, 12:54:12 PM »
Is that Zack Wegner before his finger was turned into mush by our d, or after?

I'll never forget that moment.  An attorney I know scored some tickets in the rich people ku alumni section, 50 yardline.  It was then I learned that leather jackets and wool pants were the raingear of choice among them.  ku was sitting at about -500 yards rushing on the day and Zac was grabbed by the ankle trying to get away.   Just as Litton and Kelly were closing in everyone in my section could see it about to happen and it got dead quiet.  I took advantage of the silence and screamed out "CAN YOU FEEL THAT!" just as the infamous Zac Wagner Crunch occurred.  Everyone in about a 30 row radius turned and gave me the death stare and the  :nono:.  I gave them the  :emawkid: back.  It was awesome...

i liked the part of the story where you told us about the profession of the person that got tickets for you.
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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2011, 12:55:45 PM »
Is that Zack Wegner before his finger was turned into mush by our d, or after?

I'll never forget that moment.  An attorney I know scored some tickets in the rich people ku alumni section, 50 yardline.  It was then I learned that leather jackets and wool pants were the raingear of choice among them.  ku was sitting at about -500 yards rushing on the day and Zac was grabbed by the ankle trying to get away.   Just as Litton and Kelly were closing in everyone in my section could see it about to happen and it got dead quiet.  I took advantage of the silence and screamed out "CAN YOU FEEL THAT!" just as the infamous Zac Wagner Crunch occurred.  Everyone in about a 30 row radius turned and gave me the death stare and the  :nono:.  I gave them the  :emawkid: back.  It was awesome...

why do our fans always have these really embarassing stories that they share where they scream out something stupid/not funny and are proud of it?

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2011, 12:56:07 PM »
48-20

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2011, 12:59:34 PM »
i tailgated with a loan officer before the baylor game this year and watched the miami game with a teacher. go cats.

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2011, 01:02:36 PM »
I once scored tickets from a veterinarian and tailgated with a plumber.  :emawkid:

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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2011, 01:10:39 PM »
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The guy throws like a girl and plays so tight it looks like his head is going to explode. He doesn't appear to be that fast. Literally, best thing he's got going for him is strength and toughness. And yet he gets the job done. Honestly, Bucktooth Bill's game management has been amazing to get a team QBed by that guy to 7 and 0. Honestly, he makes Zac Wegner look like a superstar. Geez, if we don't have a chance against that guy we really, really suck. LHC Bill Snyder might beat KU and we might beat ourselves, but I cannot believe that Colin Klein will beat the Jayhawks.
I think he's gonna be pretty disappointed come Saturday afternoon.

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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2011, 01:16:00 PM »
In the 2nd half against Tech K-State gained 230 yards (most yards in any half in the last 4 games) and scored 21 points (most points in any half) and gained 6.1 yards per play (2nd most YPP in any half). Meanwhile the defense allowed only 4.1 YPP (matching the 1st half in Miami as the fewest YPP allowed) while allowing only 6 points (3 points in the first half against Missouri and Miami were the only 2 halves with less).

Seems like that was our old offense I saw in the 3rd quarter when we needed them to score points.  Once we got ahead in the 4th we went right back to the ground chucking, grind it out style that we've been playing all year and I bet our stats went way down.  Was that 3rd quarter the first glimpse we've had all year of what this offense is actually capable of doing?

After four straight wins where we have been outgained, it's time to stop trying to use stats to say anything about our offense.  If we're ahead, we're going to run clock, make first downs, and not turn it over.  We don't try to gain big yards, so why use that as a measuring stick?  Ball safety is more important.




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Re: "Playing better" for Kansas football...
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2011, 01:52:15 PM »
In the 2nd half against Tech K-State gained 230 yards (most yards in any half in the last 4 games) and scored 21 points (most points in any half) and gained 6.1 yards per play (2nd most YPP in any half). Meanwhile the defense allowed only 4.1 YPP (matching the 1st half in Miami as the fewest YPP allowed) while allowing only 6 points (3 points in the first half against Missouri and Miami were the only 2 halves with less).

Seems like that was our old offense I saw in the 3rd quarter when we needed them to score points.  Once we got ahead in the 4th we went right back to the ground chucking, grind it out style that we've been playing all year and I bet our stats went way down.  Was that 3rd quarter the first glimpse we've had all year of what this offense is actually capable of doing?

After four straight wins where we have been outgained, it's time to stop trying to use stats to say anything about our offense.  If we're ahead, we're going to run clock, make first downs, and not turn it over.  We don't try to gain big yards, so why use that as a measuring stick?  Ball safety is more important.





Good call Ira.  All my life ball safety has been a priority for me.