I love how the media emphasizes KSU being outgained 580-339...

[The Manhatter]

JFC, if you're going to make an argument at least get it right.

KSU has not been outgained by 600 yards this year....it's 2,017 to 2,073.  Whoopty fl_lcking do!  We've played 4 top 40 offenses (including #s 3, 6, and 13) and we don't pretend to be a juggernaut offensively.

btw, these "ranked" teams LSU played includes a Miss St. team that has turned out to be trash.  Tennessee, Miss St, Kentucky, and Florida all have very pedestrian offenses.  Using hindsight to make a statement about where LSU was 4 weeks ago when they played WVa is convenient.  The principles remain the same.

BTW, for whatever reason I think some here believe I'm trying to make some sort of statement that our defense is comparable to LSU.  That is FAR from the truth.  LSU's personnel is better along the DL and all over the secondary...we don't have that.  But the general principles of defensive play being impactful vs. a spread offense that chews up yards between the 20s...that is still an apples to apples comparison.  We were not lucky in any way against Tech...when that game came down the stretch they did NOTHING offensively....especially in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.

[The Manhatter]

1747 - 2344

 

   it's 2,017 to 2,074

[sonofdaxjones]

We scored 2 TD's and the offense never touched the ball on either one at TT (We were a shoe string tackle away from scoring a 3rd without the offense on the field, heck we were one guy away from scoring a 4th without the offense on the field).

So in retrospect who is at all surprised that TT got the yardarge they got?

What is more of a concern is that we still give up multiple long plays where we get absolutely clownsuited, and it brings up memories of last years D immmediately.

It is a concern that at some point our D getting clownsuited starts to snowball in a game.

[asava]

JFC, if you're going to make an argument at least get it right.

KSU has not been outgained by 600 yards this year....it's 2,017 to 2,073.  Whoopty fl_lcking do!  We've played 4 top 40 offenses (including #s 3, 6, and 13) and we don't pretend to be a juggernaut offensively.

btw, these "ranked" teams LSU played includes a Miss St. team that has turned out to be trash.  Tennessee, Miss St, Kentucky, and Florida all have very pedestrian offenses.  Using hindsight to make a statement about where LSU was 4 weeks ago when they played WVa is convenient.  The principles remain the same.

BTW, for whatever reason I think some here believe I'm trying to make some sort of statement that our defense is comparable to LSU.  That is FAR from the truth.  LSU's personnel is better along the DL and all over the secondary...we don't have that.  But the general principles of defensive play being impactful vs. a spread offense that chews up yards between the 20s...that is still an apples to apples comparison.  We were not lucky in any way against Tech...when that game came down the stretch they did NOTHING offensively....especially in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.

nvm, i'm an idiot. few typos.  

either way,  you were complaining about them not making a big deal about an LSU team being out gained, when they don't make a habit of doing it. sorry for the goofy maths.

[kso_FAN]

What is more of a concern is that we still give up multiple long plays where we get absolutely clownsuited, and it brings up memories of last years D immmediately.

It is a concern that at some point our D getting clownsuited starts to snowball in a game.

Good point and a legit concern.

We seemed to get it corrected though; Tech had no plays longer than 20 yards (and only 2 longer than 15) in the entire 2nd half.

[kso_FAN]

i don't understand how you got these numbers. I went through each box score and put total yards into excel. I noticed the discrepancy between the numbers that resulted and what is listed on our total offensive output. I went back and checked everything after that and still couldn't find why the numbers would be different. Maybe you could explain to me why there is a difference in those numbers.

You don't need to do that much work, pretty much any statistic for K-State football that you could possibly want to look at is right here.

[The Manhatter]

JFC, if you're going to make an argument at least get it right.

KSU has not been outgained by 600 yards this year....it's 2,017 to 2,073.  Whoopty fl_lcking do!  We've played 4 top 40 offenses (including #s 3, 6, and 13) and we don't pretend to be a juggernaut offensively.

btw, these "ranked" teams LSU played includes a Miss St. team that has turned out to be trash.  Tennessee, Miss St, Kentucky, and Florida all have very pedestrian offenses.  Using hindsight to make a statement about where LSU was 4 weeks ago when they played WVa is convenient.  The principles remain the same.

BTW, for whatever reason I think some here believe I'm trying to make some sort of statement that our defense is comparable to LSU.  That is FAR from the truth.  LSU's personnel is better along the DL and all over the secondary...we don't have that.  But the general principles of defensive play being impactful vs. a spread offense that chews up yards between the 20s...that is still an apples to apples comparison.  We were not lucky in any way against Tech...when that game came down the stretch they did NOTHING offensively....especially in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.

i don't understand how you got these numbers. I went through each box score and put total yards into excel. I noticed the discrepancy between the numbers that resulted and what is listed on our total offensive output. I went back and checked everything after that and still couldn't find why the numbers would be different. Maybe you could explain to me why there is a difference in those numbers.

keep it simple: http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html

Miami gained a lot of their yardage in "come from behind" situations...same with Mizzou.  Mizzou had 170 yards of offense and 3 pts with 10 minutes to play.  We lined up our corners and safety 10 yards off the ball at that time vs. Mizzou.  Baylor did nothing in the game's final 21 minutes and Tech did nothing in the 2nd half...especially the 3rd quarter.

Miami, Baylor, and Mizzou didn't outgain us drastically.....LSU was outgained by Oregon similarly to what we were vs. Mizzou.  

[The Manhatter]

JFC, if you're going to make an argument at least get it right.

KSU has not been outgained by 600 yards this year....it's 2,017 to 2,073.  Whoopty fl_lcking do!  We've played 4 top 40 offenses (including #s 3, 6, and 13) and we don't pretend to be a juggernaut offensively.

btw, these "ranked" teams LSU played includes a Miss St. team that has turned out to be trash.  Tennessee, Miss St, Kentucky, and Florida all have very pedestrian offenses.  Using hindsight to make a statement about where LSU was 4 weeks ago when they played WVa is convenient.  The principles remain the same.

BTW, for whatever reason I think some here believe I'm trying to make some sort of statement that our defense is comparable to LSU.  That is FAR from the truth.  LSU's personnel is better along the DL and all over the secondary...we don't have that.  But the general principles of defensive play being impactful vs. a spread offense that chews up yards between the 20s...that is still an apples to apples comparison.  We were not lucky in any way against Tech...when that game came down the stretch they did NOTHING offensively....especially in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.

nvm, i'm an idiot. few typos.  :face palm:

either way,  you were complaining about them not making a big deal about an LSU team being out gained, when they don't make a habit of doing it. sorry for the goofy maths.

and the general reason for that is because LSU has played 5 crap offenses of their 7 games.  The only two really good offenses they played outgained them statistically (Oregon and WVa). 

The only point I'm making is that they're judging LSU's defense differently ignoring the principles of successful defense.  Forget the defensive personnel for LSU...we all know their defensive personnel takes a backseat to nobody.  But good defense is good defense.

[asava]

JFC, if you're going to make an argument at least get it right.

KSU has not been outgained by 600 yards this year....it's 2,017 to 2,073.  Whoopty fl_lcking do!  We've played 4 top 40 offenses (including #s 3, 6, and 13) and we don't pretend to be a juggernaut offensively.

btw, these "ranked" teams LSU played includes a Miss St. team that has turned out to be trash.  Tennessee, Miss St, Kentucky, and Florida all have very pedestrian offenses.  Using hindsight to make a statement about where LSU was 4 weeks ago when they played WVa is convenient.  The principles remain the same.

BTW, for whatever reason I think some here believe I'm trying to make some sort of statement that our defense is comparable to LSU.  That is FAR from the truth.  LSU's personnel is better along the DL and all over the secondary...we don't have that.  But the general principles of defensive play being impactful vs. a spread offense that chews up yards between the 20s...that is still an apples to apples comparison.  We were not lucky in any way against Tech...when that game came down the stretch they did NOTHING offensively....especially in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.

nvm, i'm an idiot. few typos.  :face palm:

either way,  you were complaining about them not making a big deal about an LSU team being out gained, when they don't make a habit of doing it. sorry for the goofy maths.

and the general reason for that is because LSU has played 5 crap offenses of their 7 games.  The only two really good offenses they played outgained them statistically (Oregon and WVa). 

The only point I'm making is that they're judging LSU's defense differently ignoring the principles of successful defense.  Forget the defensive personnel for LSU...we all know their defensive personnel takes a backseat to nobody.  But good defense is good defense.

how do you reconcile that with points allowed?

[asava]

and i'm on the same page as you with our defense. they have held some high output teams to well below their average, but one thing i can't get past are the points allowed in comparison to teams like lsu. but then again that really wasn't the point of your first post. point taken.

[The Manhatter]

What are you trying to reconcile?

NCAA rank
7th LSU - 11.7 ppg
21st KSU - 19.5 ppg

opponents scoring offense
3rd Oregon -
13th West Virginia -
62nd Tennessee (w/o Bray)
71st Florida
85th Miss St
118th Kentucky -
68th (FCS) Northwestern St
avg FBS rank = 58.7

7th Baylor -
9th Texas Tech -
26th Mizzou -
48th Miami -
120th Kent St -
60th (FCS) E. Kentucky
avg FBS rank = 42

[WordUpBU]

You guys seem to be winning close ones with the right plays.

You either end up like 2002 Ohio State if you keep pulling it out or the frequent tough spots you encounter will be highlighted significantly in the eyes of observers.

[Emo EMAW]

What about 2010 Auburn?!?! 

[CHONGS]

KSU has the 18th best defense in the country right now!  LSU has the number 2 defense.

[Rage Against the McKee]

KSU has the 18th best defense in the country right now!  LSU has the number 2 defense.

What would the score be if we played LSU on a neutral field?

[mcmwcat]

KSU has the 18th best defense in the country right now!  LSU has the number 2 defense.

What would the score be if we played LSU on a neutral field?

chirp?