Author Topic: I love how the media emphasizes KSU being outgained 580-339... (Read 4944 times)

The Manhatter · « **on:** October 18, 2011, 04:03:28 PM »

interesting how I never heard that after this game: http://www.lsusports.net//ViewContent.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&CONTENT_ID=162066

I realize it's for different reasons...I mean LSU is insanely talented but the principles are the same. Picking up gobs of yards between the 20s via the spread is useless unless you can score enough to win. Like LSU that night we forced turnovers, ran the ball, and scored non-offensive TDs. When LSU did it...it's because they're damn good and WVa's yardage was insignificant...when we did it there was some sort of magic by Bill and voodoo type good fortune.

Bookcat · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2011, 04:09:49 PM »

Its sinking in that our D makes plays when they must.

We were down 9 to Baylor and they drove to our 30 yard line before being stopped on downs. Baylor misses a 47 yard field goal and it was all KSU after that.

That's not luck. That's a D clamping down to win a game.

Luck and talent can GTFO of determination and grits path as far as I'm concerned.

cas4ksu · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2011, 04:09:59 PM »

BITB, folks.

bigwillie20 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 18, 2011, 04:14:40 PM »

Just give me the W baby, as far as how many yards are put up by each team...

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #4 on:** October 18, 2011, 04:20:36 PM »

It's game management. Les Miles gets it.

mocat · « **Reply #5 on:** October 18, 2011, 04:41:16 PM »

Quote from: The Manhatter on October 18, 2011, 04:03:28 PM

interesting how I never heard that after this game: http://www.lsusports.net//ViewContent.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&CONTENT_ID=162066

I realize it's for different reasons...I mean LSU is insanely talented but the principles are the same. Picking up gobs of yards between the 20s via the spread is useless unless you can score enough to win. Like LSU that night we forced turnovers, ran the ball, and scored non-offensive TDs. When LSU did it...it's because they're damn good and WVa's yardage was insignificant...when we did it there was some sort of magic by Bill and voodoo type good fortune.

Right, but unlike LSU, K-State gave up 34 points, and was extremely lucky to get out of Lubbock with a win against an unranked team. LSU beat #16 WV by 26 points. That's why you don't compare these defenses.

gokatgo · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2011, 05:10:46 PM »

Quote from: mocat on October 18, 2011, 04:41:16 PM

Quote from: The Manhatter on October 18, 2011, 04:03:28 PM
interesting how I never heard that after this game: http://www.lsusports.net//ViewContent.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&CONTENT_ID=162066

I realize it's for different reasons...I mean LSU is insanely talented but the principles are the same. Picking up gobs of yards between the 20s via the spread is useless unless you can score enough to win. Like LSU that night we forced turnovers, ran the ball, and scored non-offensive TDs. When LSU did it...it's because they're damn good and WVa's yardage was insignificant...when we did it there was some sort of magic by Bill and voodoo type good fortune.

Right, but unlike LSU, K-State gave up 34 points, and was extremely lucky to get out of Lubbock with a win against an unranked team. LSU beat #16 WV by 26 points. That's why you don't compare these defenses.

squawk

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2011, 05:13:13 PM »

Quote from: The Manhatter on October 18, 2011, 04:03:28 PM

when we did it there was some sort of magic by Bill and voodoo type good fortune.

The media talking point - "it is [insert adjective] what LHC Bill Snyder is able to do with that talent."

pike · « **Reply #8 on:** October 18, 2011, 05:15:23 PM »

Quote from: mocat on October 18, 2011, 04:41:16 PM

Quote from: The Manhatter on October 18, 2011, 04:03:28 PM
interesting how I never heard that after this game: http://www.lsusports.net//ViewContent.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&CONTENT_ID=162066

I realize it's for different reasons...I mean LSU is insanely talented but the principles are the same. Picking up gobs of yards between the 20s via the spread is useless unless you can score enough to win. Like LSU that night we forced turnovers, ran the ball, and scored non-offensive TDs. When LSU did it...it's because they're damn good and WVa's yardage was insignificant...when we did it there was some sort of magic by Bill and voodoo type good fortune.

Right, but unlike LSU, K-State gave up 34 points, and was extremely lucky to get out of Lubbock with a win against an unranked team. LSU beat #16 WV by 26 points. That's why you don't compare these defenses.

WV is an incredibly over rated Big East team. They've knocked off monsters like Marshal, Norfolk State (who the eff?), Maryland, Bowling Green, and UCONN. The only real team they played is LSU and they got crushed.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2011, 05:16:26 PM »

Quote from: mocat on October 18, 2011, 04:41:16 PM

Right, but unlike LSU, K-State gave up 34 points, and was extremely lucky to get out of Lubbock with a win against an unranked team. LSU beat #16 WV by 26 points. That's why you don't compare these defenses.

Yeah, comparing KSU to LSU probably isn't a good idea, no matter what the intention.

However, KSU was "extremely lucky" to get out of Lubbock with a win?

We missed a 30 yard field goal to ice the game. Then, Tech recovers an on-side kick to have a chance to tie. And KSU is the lucky team???

We should have won that game by at least 10 points.

slimz · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2011, 06:43:09 PM »

The Solid Verbal guys pick against K-Sate every week (except one picked 'em this week) and keep saying how they just can't "get behind" K-State. Get behind K-State for what? An undefeated national championship contender? OK, I don't think anyone's "getting behind" K-State for that. What people ARE "getting behind" is a K-State team that's looking good to finish 8-4 or 9-3, and should be a solid #15-#20 team in the country.

I mean, JFC, there's some sort of middle ground behind "run the table" and "this team sucks." Losing to the #3 and #4 teams in the BCS, and aTm or Texas, doesn't mean K-State's not a top 25 team.

mocat · « **Reply #11 on:** October 18, 2011, 07:12:25 PM »

Quote from: pike on October 18, 2011, 05:15:23 PM

Quote from: mocat on October 18, 2011, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: The Manhatter on October 18, 2011, 04:03:28 PM
interesting how I never heard that after this game: http://www.lsusports.net//ViewContent.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&CONTENT_ID=162066

I realize it's for different reasons...I mean LSU is insanely talented but the principles are the same. Picking up gobs of yards between the 20s via the spread is useless unless you can score enough to win. Like LSU that night we forced turnovers, ran the ball, and scored non-offensive TDs. When LSU did it...it's because they're damn good and WVa's yardage was insignificant...when we did it there was some sort of magic by Bill and voodoo type good fortune.

Right, but unlike LSU, K-State gave up 34 points, and was extremely lucky to get out of Lubbock with a win against an unranked team. LSU beat #16 WV by 26 points. That's why you don't compare these defenses.

WV is an incredibly over rated Big East team. They've knocked off monsters like Marshal, Norfolk State (who the eff?), Maryland, Bowling Green, and UCONN. The only real team they played is LSU and they got crushed.

OK, throw out the opponent. I would say WV and Tech are actually pretty comparable opponents. The point is, hatter asked why no one is jerking off K-State's defense like they are LSU's. My answer is, LSU doesn't give up 34 points and K-State's does.

Bookcat · « **Reply #12 on:** October 18, 2011, 07:43:38 PM »

KSU shanks a field goal then loses the onside recovery.

We're so damn lucky!

Cire · « **Reply #13 on:** October 18, 2011, 07:48:32 PM »

another reminder of how smoke and mirrory our season has been.

The Whale · « **Reply #14 on:** October 18, 2011, 07:52:13 PM »

And people make fun of Ben for constantly being in need of validation...

AbeFroman · « **Reply #15 on:** October 18, 2011, 08:28:37 PM »

Quote from: The Whale on October 18, 2011, 07:52:13 PM

And people make fun of Ben for constantly being in need of validation...

THIS. Who rough ridin' cares what talking head picks us to win a game with his armchair analysis? Who rough ridin' cares if they call us lucky on Sunday morning? Who rough ridin' cares if they want to say we've been lucky 4 weeks in a row? Let's keep being "lucky". six and oh baby.....

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #16 on:** October 19, 2011, 08:59:43 AM »

This team was in a position to win the last two games by double digits. They have shown an inability to put away opposing teams, and that very well could come back to bite us in the ass, but our games really haven't been the miracle wins the media likes to portray.

Cire · « **Reply #17 on:** October 19, 2011, 09:00:49 AM »

giving up huge chunks of yards to everyone is going to bite us in the ass.

Cire · « **Reply #18 on:** October 19, 2011, 09:01:50 AM »

I'll go ahead and predict that if ku does not turn the ball over that they will win the game because we will not stop them.

asava · « **Reply #19 on:** October 19, 2011, 09:09:47 AM »

Quote from: Cire on October 19, 2011, 09:01:50 AM

I'll go ahead and predict that if ku does not turn the ball over that they will win the game because we will not stop them.

I'll go one further... if ku doesn't turn the ball over and scores more points than us, they will win the game.

steve dave · « **Reply #20 on:** October 19, 2011, 09:11:50 AM »

outgained 580-339

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #21 on:** October 19, 2011, 09:12:39 AM »

Quote from: Cire on October 19, 2011, 09:01:50 AM

I'll go ahead and predict that if ku does not turn the ball over that they will win the game because we will not stop them.

Somebody hasn't watched much K-State this year.

is back.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #22 on:** October 19, 2011, 09:37:57 AM »

If we don't make very many good plays and only make bad plays we will lose. And I'm sure KU won't run the "turn the ball over" plays that Tech, Missouri, and Baylor ran.

We don't have some great, lock down defense, but its really hard to say we consistently give up "chunks of yards".

And I really don't understand this concept that we won't be able to stop KU. KU will score some points, maybe even in the 20s, but I don't see how they can keep us out of the 30s (or more).

This will be a 14-17 point win for the Cats. (at least)

asava · « **Reply #23 on:** October 19, 2011, 09:56:32 AM »

they probably didn't emphasize it because...

LSU has out gained its opponents 2584 - 1763, as opposed to ksu being out gained by its opponents 2017 - 2074*.

Further LSU has outscored its oppy's 269-67, as opposed to KSU who has outscored its oppy's 176 - 117.

Against Ranked Opponents (LSU has played 4 top 25 teams this season), LSU has out gained its opponents 1453 - 1274, while outscoring them 147-50.

Against our 4 biggest opponents (Miami, Baylor (15), Mizzou, and Tech) we have been out gained 1379 - 1746*, while only outscoring them 129 - 110.

Its nice to pick out one game and be all like "HAI MAN, WHATS BOUT THAT WVU GAME?!!!?!?!?!!

"

but looking at the story of the season and the consistency that LSU has maintained vs what can only be described as "Schemeyness" by the @UATz may give you a little bit of a reason why the media emphasizes those numbers.

*numbers edited because i can't type.

steve dave · « **Reply #24 on:** October 19, 2011, 09:57:19 AM »

1747 - 2344