Gameball

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't hold the onside against Hartman, I believe any other player would have had the exact same outcome. We didn't have enough players to supplement the "hands" portion. Everyone else on that side was blocking. However, Hartman is still same ol 2y, serviceable against the run but pretty terrible in coverage.

The onside kick was 100% Hartman's fault. He could have batted the ball out of bounds, or better yet, actually blocked somebody on the kicking team so the guy behind him could field the kick. Actually, Sean should take much of the blame. Obviously, we don't practice onside kicks enough. There is no excuse for giving up an onside kick, ever.

[swish1]

this is what your average tuck sees.

LOL...  the kstate defense has no flaws... just ask rick daris.

link?

i dont need a link...  i just need you to actually answer.

[swish1]

2ys

He had some nice plays, but he also had some very bad plays.

as would anybody playing his position that was being asked to do what he is.

hartman is garbage.  tonight was the best game of his career, and he was still garbage.  like the above poster stated he had some nice plays, but his occasional nice plays dont make up for his overall shittyness..

yeah. and anytime kstate loses they need to start playing the back up quarterback. gotcha.

lol.  not saying that at all.  im also not saying hartman needs to be benched just that he sucks even if he is our best option.

hartman made a few nice plays tonight.  hes still terrible.  he made one of the most pathetic attempts at a tackle i have ever seen on one of the early touchdowns tech had tonight.  given the lack of his overall talent he does really well.

overall, he's fine and i'd say he's an average member out of our 22 starters that were on the field tonight.

LOL at this statement.  still waiting for you to even attempt to justify it.  ive tried to cut you some slack and eliminate the offensive starters but you still havent tried to back this up...

[Dr Rick Daris]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_FS

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2012-Big-Board/Tysyn-Hartman.html

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/pyrnotes.php?pyid=70288&draftyear=2012&genpos=FS

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/player/tysyn-hartman/11889

[jtksu]

Mmeh.  Swish is a better judge of talent than those guys.

[kst8cat]

I don't hold the onside against Hartman, I believe any other player would have had the exact same outcome. We didn't have enough players to supplement the "hands" portion. Everyone else on that side was blocking. However, Hartman is still same ol 2y, serviceable against the run but pretty terrible in coverage.

The onside kick was 100% Hartman's fault. He could have batted the ball out of bounds, or better yet, actually blocked somebody on the kicking team so the guy behind him could field the kick. Actually, Sean should take much of the blame. Obviously, we don't practice onside kicks enough. There is no excuse for giving up an onside kick, ever.

I don't blame Hartman on the onside kick.  It was an awesome kick because of how long it stayed in the air, and I'm not 100% sure that Hartman was even able to touch the ball on that.  Would have to look at a replay again.  But him acting as a blocker would not have worked unless it was set up that way beforehand.  For him to decide not to field it at the last second and instead block would not have allowed the guy behind enough time to react and field that kick, and since it had gone 10 yards the same result probably would have happened. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't hold the onside against Hartman, I believe any other player would have had the exact same outcome. We didn't have enough players to supplement the "hands" portion. Everyone else on that side was blocking. However, Hartman is still same ol 2y, serviceable against the run but pretty terrible in coverage.

The onside kick was 100% Hartman's fault. He could have batted the ball out of bounds, or better yet, actually blocked somebody on the kicking team so the guy behind him could field the kick. Actually, Sean should take much of the blame. Obviously, we don't practice onside kicks enough. There is no excuse for giving up an onside kick, ever.

I don't blame Hartman on the onside kick.  It was an awesome kick because of how long it stayed in the air, and I'm not 100% sure that Hartman was even able to touch the ball on that.  Would have to look at a replay again.  But him acting as a blocker would not have worked unless it was set up that way beforehand.  For him to decide not to field it at the last second and instead block would not have allowed the guy behind enough time to react and field that kick, and since it had gone 10 yards the same result probably would have happened. 

When the Tech player jumped up to field the ball, Hartman should have laid him out. Simple as that. He's a defensive back. He should be ideal for that situation, and he totally mumped it up. Other than that, he had a pretty good game, and the hate he receives from our fans is just ridiculous.

[SwiftCat]

Why would 2ys want to lay him out? I'm on team try to catch the ball or team knock it out of bounds.

[jtksu]

Yeah, gaining possession of the ball is way better than hitting some dude and letting the ball bounce around even more.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why would 2ys want to lay him out? I'm on team try to catch the ball or team knock it out of bounds.

The ball is moving toward K-State players and away from Tech players. When it pops up that high, the players at the front should use their advantage and try to keep the Tech players from gaining possession. To sit back and try to field the ball like it's a pop fly is just stupid.

Yeah, gaining possession of the ball is way better than hitting some dude and letting the ball bounce around even more.

Yes, that worked out just perfectly.

[SwiftCat]

The ball is moving toward K-State players and away from Tech players. When it pops up that high, the players at the front should use their advantage and try to keep the Tech players from gaining possession. To sit back and try to field the ball like it's a pop fly is just stupid.

I partially misunderstood you, but I still disagree. IF we had more guys out there to field the kick, then 2ys should have definitely "blocked" the Tech player. But there was no one else even in the vicinity. He was the only one who had a chance to field that, with our other "hands" members no where to be found.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The ball is moving toward K-State players and away from Tech players. When it pops up that high, the players at the front should use their advantage and try to keep the Tech players from gaining possession. To sit back and try to field the ball like it's a pop fly is just stupid.

I partially misunderstood you, but I still disagree. IF we had more guys out there to field the kick, then 2ys should have definitely "blocked" the Tech player. But there was no one else even in the vicinity. He was the only one who had a chance to field that, with our other "hands" members no where to be found.

True. It's possible our other hands members mumped the play up so bad that it just made 2y's look bad. I would have to watch the play again to be sure.

[jtksu]

Generally, the first wave blocks and the 2nd wave attempts to gain control of the ball, which Tysyn did.  Trying to pin a botched onside kick on any one dude is pretty silly.  There's a reason onsides seldom work, it's pretty much a crapshoot. We lost that one, oh well.  Regardless, our entire D did a solid overall job today and a great job in the 2nd half.  Deal.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Recovering an onside kick is basically the same thing as catching a hail mary if the rules allowed for pass interference. Hartman is a defensive back. I'm pretty hesitant to cut him any slack for that one. Otherwise, great game for Hartman and the rest of the defense.

[bigwillie20]

DNR the replies, called the Lockett return right when they kicked it, just throwing his name into the hat 

[ksufan81]

The onside kick was a great kick. However, Tysyn needed to go up and catch that ball. He let the ball come down to him, in a battle for possession like that, he has to grab the ball.

[KSUTOMMY]

That was as textbook an onsides kick as any of us will ever see. The point is after that kick, Tech had ALL the momentum and we still made the stop to finish the game! My play of the game was the 3rd down pass break-up on the ensuing series; it would've likely been 1st down and new wind in Tech's sails - but we made the stop boys, WE MADE THE STOP!!!

[wetwillie]

2y's 4th quarter INT was a thing of beauty.  Also the late hit call against him was just atrocious.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

2ys

He had some nice plays, but he also had some very bad plays.

as would anybody playing his position that was being asked to do what he is.

hartman is garbage.  tonight was the best game of his career, and he was still garbage.  like the above poster stated he had some nice plays, but his occasional nice plays dont make up for his overall shittyness..

yeah. and anytime kstate loses they need to start playing the back up quarterback. gotcha.

lol.  not saying that at all.  im also not saying hartman needs to be benched just that he sucks even if he is our best option.

hartman made a few nice plays tonight.  hes still terrible.  he made one of the most pathetic attempts at a tackle i have ever seen on one of the early touchdowns tech had tonight.  given the lack of his overall talent he does really well.

You are not a very nice person.

[kitten_mittons]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_FS

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2012-Big-Board/Tysyn-Hartman.html

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/pyrnotes.php?pyid=70288&draftyear=2012&genpos=FS

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/player/tysyn-hartman/11889

Position Cornerback
Secondary Position Safety

Yes, these people are so good at judging talent they can see that Hartman's true calling is at corner.  A CB that runs a 4.64 40.  He's the slowest safety on the board.  He won't get drafted.  He is our worst DB in coverage and that is why everyone hates him. 

[swish1]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_FS

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2012-Big-Board/Tysyn-Hartman.html

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/pyrnotes.php?pyid=70288&draftyear=2012&genpos=FS

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/player/tysyn-hartman/11889

Position Cornerback
Secondary Position Safety

Yes, these people are so good at judging talent they can see that Hartman's true calling is at corner.  A CB that runs a 4.64 40.  He's the slowest safety on the board.  He won't get drafted.  He is our worst DB in coverage and that is why everyone hates him. 

lol.  hes terrible, hes slow, and his effort is questionable at times.

[Winters]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_FS

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2012-Big-Board/Tysyn-Hartman.html

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/pyrnotes.php?pyid=70288&draftyear=2012&genpos=FS

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/player/tysyn-hartman/11889

Position Cornerback
Secondary Position Safety

Yes, these people are so good at judging talent they can see that Hartman's true calling is at corner.  A CB that runs a 4.64 40.  He's the slowest safety on the board.  He won't get drafted.  He is our worst DB in coverage and that is why everyone hates him. 

lol.  hes terrible, hes slow, and his effort is questionable at times.

but, but, but, he is a 4 year starter?!

[O-town Kat]

Good game overall for 2ys but he tried to catch the onside kick over the shoulder like a WR.  Did the same thing on a Gabbert jump ball TD to Alexander in the 2009 game.

[eastcat]

The real question is why was Hartman put over there to field the onside kick? It should have been DB's and LB's up front to block the "gunners" and wide receivers (Why wasn't Harper over there???) behind to make the catch.

Elementary special teams. I would think sean would know this crap considering who his dad is and all......

[Bookcat]

Tommy Tuberville - for being such a dumbass he didn't realize Tech actually scored that one touchdown and ran another play before it got reviewed.

except it wasnt a touchdown...

sure looked like one, I was at the bar, so couldn't hear the commentary, but sure looked like he was across.   

just watched the torrent. Just like Jacory...he was 1 yard short. A game of inches.