Gameball

[swish1]

2ys

He had some nice plays, but he also had some very bad plays.

as would anybody playing his position that was being asked to do what he is.

hartman is garbage.  tonight was the best game of his career, and he was still garbage.  like the above poster stated he had some nice plays, but his occasional nice plays dont make up for his overall shittyness..

yeah. and anytime kstate loses they need to start playing the back up quarterback. gotcha.

lol.  not saying that at all.  im also not saying hartman needs to be benched just that he sucks even if he is our best option.

hartman made a few nice plays tonight.  hes still terrible.  he made one of the most pathetic attempts at a tackle i have ever seen on one of the early touchdowns tech had tonight.  given the lack of his overall talent he does really well.

[Barry McCockner]

2 blocked fgs is amazing.  I can't imagine K-State's ever had that happen before.

I heard (unconfirmed) that it happened as recently as 2003.  Hard to believe.   

[swish1]

2 blocked fgs is amazing.  I can't imagine K-State's ever had that happen before.

I heard (unconfirmed) that it happened as recently as 2003.  Hard to believe.   

surely not unless sean snyder was our special teams coach at the time...

[Dr Rick Daris]

2ys

He had some nice plays, but he also had some very bad plays.

as would anybody playing his position that was being asked to do what he is.

hartman is garbage.  tonight was the best game of his career, and he was still garbage.  like the above poster stated he had some nice plays, but his occasional nice plays dont make up for his overall shittyness..

yeah. and anytime kstate loses they need to start playing the back up quarterback. gotcha.

lol.  not saying that at all.  im also not saying hartman needs to be benched just that he sucks even if he is our best option.

hartman made a few nice plays tonight.  hes still terrible.  he made one of the most pathetic attempts at a tackle i have ever seen on one of the early touchdowns tech had tonight.  given the lack of his overall talent he does really well.

he's an easy target for lazy fans and that's the point that i was trying to make. maybe you aren't lazy and you're just bored though, i don't know. overall, he's fine and i'd say he's an average member out of our 22 starters that were on the field tonight. certainly not "terrible" and certainly made more than "a few nice plays tonight".

[swish1]

2ys

He had some nice plays, but he also had some very bad plays.

as would anybody playing his position that was being asked to do what he is.

hartman is garbage.  tonight was the best game of his career, and he was still garbage.  like the above poster stated he had some nice plays, but his occasional nice plays dont make up for his overall shittyness..

yeah. and anytime kstate loses they need to start playing the back up quarterback. gotcha.

lol.  not saying that at all.  im also not saying hartman needs to be benched just that he sucks even if he is our best option.

hartman made a few nice plays tonight.  hes still terrible.  he made one of the most pathetic attempts at a tackle i have ever seen on one of the early touchdowns tech had tonight.  given the lack of his overall talent he does really well.

he's an easy target for lazy fans and that's the point that i was trying to make. maybe you aren't lazy and you're just bored though, i don't know. overall, he's fine and i'd say he's an average member out of our 22 starters that were on the field tonight. certainly not "terrible" and certainly made more than "a few nice plays tonight".

who is the worst starter on the kstate defense?  id vote for hartman, with runners up being zimmerman and lamur.  do you disagree?

[jtksu]

Tysyn was solid tonight, especially considering he got dinged up pretty early.  Sure, he gets burnt pretty bad sometimes but that's not really his fault.

[kst8cat]

2ys

He had some nice plays, but he also had some very bad plays.

as would anybody playing his position that was being asked to do what he is.

hartman is garbage.  tonight was the best game of his career, and he was still garbage.  like the above poster stated he had some nice plays, but his occasional nice plays dont make up for his overall shittyness..

yeah. and anytime kstate loses they need to start playing the back up quarterback. gotcha.

lol.  not saying that at all.  im also not saying hartman needs to be benched just that he sucks even if he is our best option.

hartman made a few nice plays tonight.  hes still terrible.  he made one of the most pathetic attempts at a tackle i have ever seen on one of the early touchdowns tech had tonight.  given the lack of his overall talent he does really well.

he's an easy target for lazy fans and that's the point that i was trying to make. maybe you aren't lazy and you're just bored though, i don't know. overall, he's fine and i'd say he's an average member out of our 22 starters that were on the field tonight. certainly not "terrible" and certainly made more than "a few nice plays tonight".

Exactly.  The commentators were giving him props several times tonight and said he had 7 solo tackles and the INT.  Definitely a very good game for Hartman.  And I don't think that he normally "sucks" either.

[swish1]

2ys

He had some nice plays, but he also had some very bad plays.

as would anybody playing his position that was being asked to do what he is.

hartman is garbage.  tonight was the best game of his career, and he was still garbage.  like the above poster stated he had some nice plays, but his occasional nice plays dont make up for his overall shittyness..

yeah. and anytime kstate loses they need to start playing the back up quarterback. gotcha.

lol.  not saying that at all.  im also not saying hartman needs to be benched just that he sucks even if he is our best option.

hartman made a few nice plays tonight.  hes still terrible.  he made one of the most pathetic attempts at a tackle i have ever seen on one of the early touchdowns tech had tonight.  given the lack of his overall talent he does really well.

he's an easy target for lazy fans and that's the point that i was trying to make. maybe you aren't lazy and you're just bored though, i don't know. overall, he's fine and i'd say he's an average member out of our 22 starters that were on the field tonight. certainly not "terrible" and certainly made more than "a few nice plays tonight".

Exactly.  The commentators were giving him props several times tonight and said he had 7 solo tackles and the INT.  Definitely a very good game for Hartman.  And I don't think that he normally "sucks" either.

those same commentators also talked about how out of position he was on one of the deep bombs tech threw.  plus they acted like kstate never lines up in 4 wr sets and were completely ignorant in a variety of other ways.  the commentators were completely ignorant.

[Dr Rick Daris]

2ys

He had some nice plays, but he also had some very bad plays.

as would anybody playing his position that was being asked to do what he is.

hartman is garbage.  tonight was the best game of his career, and he was still garbage.  like the above poster stated he had some nice plays, but his occasional nice plays dont make up for his overall shittyness..

yeah. and anytime kstate loses they need to start playing the back up quarterback. gotcha.

lol.  not saying that at all.  im also not saying hartman needs to be benched just that he sucks even if he is our best option.

hartman made a few nice plays tonight.  hes still terrible.  he made one of the most pathetic attempts at a tackle i have ever seen on one of the early touchdowns tech had tonight.  given the lack of his overall talent he does really well.

he's an easy target for lazy fans and that's the point that i was trying to make. maybe you aren't lazy and you're just bored though, i don't know. overall, he's fine and i'd say he's an average member out of our 22 starters that were on the field tonight. certainly not "terrible" and certainly made more than "a few nice plays tonight".

who is the worst starter on the kstate defense?  id vote for hartman, with runners up being zimmerman and lamur.  do you disagree?

so tysyn is the worst and then zimmerman is right behind him? congrats on making my point. guess you weren't kidding.

[swish1]

2ys

He had some nice plays, but he also had some very bad plays.

as would anybody playing his position that was being asked to do what he is.

hartman is garbage.  tonight was the best game of his career, and he was still garbage.  like the above poster stated he had some nice plays, but his occasional nice plays dont make up for his overall shittyness..

yeah. and anytime kstate loses they need to start playing the back up quarterback. gotcha.

lol.  not saying that at all.  im also not saying hartman needs to be benched just that he sucks even if he is our best option.

hartman made a few nice plays tonight.  hes still terrible.  he made one of the most pathetic attempts at a tackle i have ever seen on one of the early touchdowns tech had tonight.  given the lack of his overall talent he does really well.

he's an easy target for lazy fans and that's the point that i was trying to make. maybe you aren't lazy and you're just bored though, i don't know. overall, he's fine and i'd say he's an average member out of our 22 starters that were on the field tonight. certainly not "terrible" and certainly made more than "a few nice plays tonight".

who is the worst starter on the kstate defense?  id vote for hartman, with runners up being zimmerman and lamur.  do you disagree?

so tysyn is the worst and then zimmerman is right behind him? congrats on making my point. guess you weren't kidding.

who is worse?  or are you afraid to answer?

[Rage Against the McKee]

I feel awkward because I'm on team Daris here, other than the whole giving Hartman the gameball thing. Hartman is definitely under-appreciated, but let's not go crazy and say he had the best game out of everyone on the team.

[ChiComCat]

I think Zimmerman is pretty decent.  Certainly not a hole.  If Hartman had simply hit that damn onside kick out of bounds, we could've ended the game earlier. Hartman's only skill is tackling a running back after he gets past the LBs and that skill is marginal.  That said, this was Hartman's best game

[Dr Rick Daris]

I feel awkward because I'm on team Daris here, other than the whole giving Hartman the gameball thing. Hartman is definitely under-appreciated, but let's not go crazy and say he had the best game out of everyone on the team.

[theymightbegiants]

I think Zimmerman is pretty decent.  Certainly not a hole.  If Hartman had simply hit that damn onside kick out of bounds, we could've ended the game earlier. Hartman's only skill is tackling a running back after he gets past the LBs and that skill is marginal.  That said, this was Hartman's best game

This. 

[swish1]

I feel awkward because I'm on team Daris here, other than the whole giving Hartman the gameball thing. Hartman is definitely under-appreciated, but let's not go crazy and say he had the best game out of everyone on the team.

LOL at your refusal to answer...

LOL...

[06wildcat]

I think Zimmerman is pretty decent.  Certainly not a hole.  If Hartman had simply hit that damn onside kick out of bounds, we could've ended the game earlier. Hartman's only skill is tackling a running back after he gets past the LBs and that skill is marginal.  That said, this was Hartman's best game

Both are actually pretty decent for what we're trying to do/hide with our defense. The thing about playing that position is that when you get burned, it's going for six, and this is what your average tuck sees.

[swish1]

I think Zimmerman is pretty decent.  Certainly not a hole.  If Hartman had simply hit that damn onside kick out of bounds, we could've ended the game earlier. Hartman's only skill is tackling a running back after he gets past the LBs and that skill is marginal.  That said, this was Hartman's best game

agreed...

[Dr Rick Daris]

this is what your average tuck sees.

[swish1]

this is what your average tuck sees.

LOL...  the kstate defense has no flaws... just ask rick daris.

[Dr Rick Daris]

this is what your average tuck sees.

LOL...  the kstate defense has no flaws... just ask rick daris.

link?

[GoodForAnother]

I can confirm that the defense has no flaws

[kst8cat]

Hartman plays safety, and a lot of times when it looks like Hartman got burned and it's all his fault, the reality is that the corner got burned and Hartman has to help as the secondary defender, thus making him look bad.  I'm not saying he is fabulous at coverage, but at the same time, you can't hold a safety to quite as high of a standard as a cornerback in coverage like that.   

[ChiComCat]

Hartman plays safety, and a lot of times when it looks like Hartman got burned and it's all his fault, the reality is that the corner got burned and Hartman has to help as the secondary defender, thus making him look bad.  I'm not saying he is fabulous at coverage, but at the same time, you can't hold a safety to quite as high of a standard as a cornerback in coverage like that.   

As a safety, his job is to specifically not get burned.  Zimmerman doesn't get burned like that, jmho

[BleedingPurple7]

I don't hold the onside against Hartman, I believe any other player would have had the exact same outcome. We didn't have enough players to supplement the "hands" portion. Everyone else on that side was blocking. However, Hartman is still same ol 2y, serviceable against the run but pretty terrible in coverage.

[jtksu]

You guys know the difference between strong and free safeties, right?  And their job isn't to not get burnt, it's to help the corners cover their man.  A lot of times, Tysyn is coming from a long way away to try and pick up the WR that just ran right past the corner who was supposed to be covering him.