Kitchen (goEMAW BBBS donor)

[MakeItRain]

if they didn't want the beans spilled they shouldn't have told the media to begin with.  dumbasses. 

this, plus- the only people bitching about the beans being spilled are media members.  i haven't seen anything from the ellis family saying they're mad about beans being spilled.

secondly, i don't understand how his recruiting rankings were actually hurt.  he was recruited by and could have signed at the top programs in the country, Duke, KU, K-State, Kentucky.  who would have recruited him had he a handler not named Fonda Ellis?  the Lakers?

GMAFB with all this contrived bullshit.

Must not have seen MIR's minor meltdown

With all due respect, naw eff that it's obvious that piss doesn't have a clue as to what he is talking about.  The family didn't tell the media the teams did.  If the Ellis' didn't call the teams before hand people would bitch about how classless it was that he didn't inform them.  I don't know what coach told Seth Davis, but I am 100% certain that it wasn't the Ellis family that did.  The Ellis family didn't complain about the leake because they didn't know that Seth Davis posted it on twitter.  They were sitting in the locker room at Heights High when he did it.  Bottom line is that the Ellis family did the right thing by informing the schools of his decision, whoever told Seth Davis shouldn't have and he shouldn't have tweeted it.  Anyone who tries to argue otherwise is simply being contrarian and frankly an idiot.

You don't know how his recruiting rankings were hurt?  You'll have to ask whoever it was that downgraded him because he has a mother who had the nerve of taking an interest in his recruitment.  Would he have been downgraded if it was his father instead of his mother?  Again it was Jeff Goodman that brought this up, not the Ellis family and not local media so I am not sure why the Ellis' have to answer for this.  No in the end it didn't matter that someone lowered his ranking because they didn't like his mother.  The issue with that is not with Ellis but with what recrits are helper or hurt by some guys random ass possibly ill informed criteria.  To recap we're okay with recruiting services having issues with involved mothers but not okay with them making fun of Alex Klein.

And despite what Trim asked, hell yes it's an issue if someone is equating toughness with an involved mother.  His father lives at home why would his toughness be questioned because his mother has a twitter account?  Would we rather he have a mother like Tony Mitchell?  None of the people projecting their thoughts and opinions on Fonda know a damn thing about how she and her husband Will raise their children, all they know is that she has twitter and retweets a lot.  It seems to me that people are pissed that Fonda didn't allow her 14, 15, 16, and 17 year old son talk to national media someone is going to have to let me know why that's wrong.

 

put down MIR in CK's "mad" camp as it relates to this issue.  put the rest of the world in the "don't give two shits" camp.

Hell yes I'm mad, if you don't care stop posting about it.  There has to be a cooking thread or a KC thread that demands your attention.

why are you mad?  are you the self-appointed defender of all things Ellis? 

Do you or don't you care, it's confusing at this point?

[Gooch]

Will you two quit. Focus dammit. She hates the children of Sedgwick co.
 

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Just to be clear, my eventual debate with Katz will be limited to his strawman argument that it's not right for a recruit ranker to ding a recruit because of the recruit/mom's dealings with the media vs. my argument that he's taking a leap that it has anything to do w/media interaction and could - rightly or wrongly - be the result of how the ranker views the kid being able to make it on his own in college and/or whether all things being equal they'd rank the kid w/o a hypeman higher than the kid w/one.

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Will you two quit. Focus dammit. She hates the children of Sedgwick co.
 

The only reason this thread exists is because I wanted to continue arguing with Kitchen without being limited words-wise.  Go start a $!#* thread.

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Will you two quit. Focus dammit. She hates the children of Sedgwick co.
 

The only reason this thread exists is because I wanted to continue arguing with Kitchen without being limited words-wise.  Go start a $!#* thread.

Call it ECAJ.

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if they didn't want the beans spilled they shouldn't have told the media to begin with.  dumbasses.  

this, plus- the only people bitching about the beans being spilled are media members.  i haven't seen anything from the ellis family saying they're mad about beans being spilled.

secondly, i don't understand how his recruiting rankings were actually hurt.  he was recruited by and could have signed at the top programs in the country, Duke, KU, K-State, Kentucky.  who would have recruited him had he a handler not named Fonda Ellis?  the Lakers?

GMAFB with all this contrived bullshit.

Must not have seen MIR's minor meltdown

With all due respect, naw eff that it's obvious that piss doesn't have a clue as to what he is talking about.  The family didn't tell the media the teams did.  If the Ellis' didn't call the teams before hand people would bitch about how classless it was that he didn't inform them.  I don't know what coach told Seth Davis, but I am 100% certain that it wasn't the Ellis family that did.  The Ellis family didn't complain about the leake because they didn't know that Seth Davis posted it on twitter.  They were sitting in the locker room at Heights High when he did it.  Bottom line is that the Ellis family did the right thing by informing the schools of his decision, whoever told Seth Davis shouldn't have and he shouldn't have tweeted it.  Anyone who tries to argue otherwise is simply being contrarian and frankly an idiot.

You don't know how his recruiting rankings were hurt?  You'll have to ask whoever it was that downgraded him because he has a mother who had the nerve of taking an interest in his recruitment.  Would he have been downgraded if it was his father instead of his mother?  Again it was Jeff Goodman that brought this up, not the Ellis family and not local media so I am not sure why the Ellis' have to answer for this.  No in the end it didn't matter that someone lowered his ranking because they didn't like his mother.  The issue with that is not with Ellis but with what recrits are helper or hurt by some guys random ass possibly ill informed criteria.  To recap we're okay with recruiting services having issues with involved mothers but not okay with them making fun of Alex Klein.

And despite what Trim asked, hell yes it's an issue if someone is equating toughness with an involved mother.  His father lives at home why would his toughness be questioned because his mother has a twitter account?  Would we rather he have a mother like Tony Mitchell?  None of the people projecting their thoughts and opinions on Fonda know a damn thing about how she and her husband Will raise their children, all they know is that she has twitter and retweets a lot.  It seems to me that people are pissed that Fonda didn't allow her 14, 15, 16, and 17 year old son talk to national media someone is going to have to let me know why that's wrong.

 

put down MIR in CK's "mad" camp as it relates to this issue.  put the rest of the world in the "don't give two shits" camp.

Hell yes I'm mad, if you don't care stop posting about it.  There has to be a cooking thread or a KC thread that demands your attention.

why are you mad?  are you the self-appointed defender of all things Ellis?  

Do you or don't you care, it's confusing at this point?

never answer a question with a question.

[Gooch]

Will you two quit. Focus dammit. She hates the children of Sedgwick co.
 

The only reason this thread exists is because I wanted to continue arguing with Kitchen without being limited words-wise.  Go start a $!#* thread.

Your the main board administrator why don't you just mod this crap up.

[pissclams]

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Will you two quit. Focus dammit. She hates the children of Sedgwick co.
 

The only reason this thread exists is because I wanted to continue arguing with Kitchen without being limited words-wise.  Go start a $!#* thread.

Your the main board administrator why don't you just mod this crap up.

I just might.  And by might I mean I might have Saul do his remote wizard crap on my computer and make that happen.

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I want everyone to know that I'm kicking ass in this debate thus far without even wearing a tie.

 

[michigancat]

I love it when the recruiting guys try to make fun of kline. Also don't care if they don't like fonda. Wish they were more open about who they hate, such as coaches not named Bobby Gonzales. But that would be biting the hand that feeds them. They lose nothing by whining about Ellis or Kline.

[steve dave]

I love it when the recruiting guys try to make fun of kline. Also don't care if they don't like fonda. Wish they were more open about who they hate, such as coaches not named Bobby Gonzales. But that would be biting the hand that feeds them. They lose nothing by whining about Ellis or Kline.

they will all wish they hadn't made fun of kline once he's employing all of those hacks. 

[michigancat]

I love it when the recruiting guys try to make fun of kline. Also don't care if they don't like fonda. Wish they were more open about who they hate, such as coaches not named Bobby Gonzales. But that would be biting the hand that feeds them. They lose nothing by whining about Ellis or Kline.

they will all wish they hadn't made fun of kline once he's employing all of those hacks. 

Yes, they will rue the day.

[steve dave]

next year, instead of BBBS, goEMAW should raise money for the Mary Kline Classic. 

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next year, instead of BBBS, goEMAW should raise money for the Mary Kline Classic. 

[CurtisKitchen]

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The rankings part is what caught my attention most...the rest of the stuff (Davis - how immature his reaction was; Goodman - how ridiculous some of his statements were) was all on the periphery, but something I still thought/think they should have been called out for since they're viewed by many as some of the best out there.

As far as the rankings go, I get your point. What I'm saying is that if these lists are truly about ranking talent, and the guys who put these lists together are honest about it, then I don't care if Billy Ray Cyrus, Don King or Nevin Shapiro is your media handler and a coach knows they are going to be around your program for years, it shouldn't affect where you show up on a talent rankings sheet. It's up to the coach to determine if they want to deal with that, not the talent evaluator.

If Rivals, Scout, ESPN, CBS and anybody else wants to make that part of their criteria, I don't have a problem with it. At that point, as you said, it should affect a ranking. But, just tell us that's what's going on because right now (well, prior to this stuff anyways) when I look at a sheet, I expect the evaluator believes the 5th-ranked guy is a better player than the 25th-ranked guy. I don't know why I should think differently.

As an outside observer, I was glad for Ellis that some of that crap didn't deter coaches, high-level ones obviously, from recruiting him.

[steve dave]

mental makeup has more to do with ultimate success than any other factor, I have no idea what is being alleged with Perry as I haven't really followed it but if evaluaters believe he is weak willed or something they are absolutely doing the right thing by dropping him in their rankings.   

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Is it a talent ranking sheets in the sense that they get scores on specific skills like a video game, or to the rankers just rank who's best all things considered?  I don't know, I don't pay attention to that stuff.  It just seems perfectly within the realm of rationality that a ranker could take into consideration that a kid seems to be an introverted weirdo who had to have the MC at his own announcement repeat what he said because he can't speak above a whisper.  If that ranker for whatever reason thinks that wouldn't translate into being tough at the college level, then drop him behind the equally skilled player that will be at the front of the tunnel dance.

[CurtisKitchen]

I didn't pay that close attention to rankings either...in terms of what makes them up, but I will now. Had Goodman implied anything similar to your and Dave's point about mental toughness, I think it should be taken into account.  He didn't do that. His only *beef* - according to his tweets - was that he didn't like Mom Ellis' public relations efforts and neither did an anonymous rankings guy who dropped Perry because of it, which, to me, doesn't seem to have much to do with either talent or mental makeup.

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I didn't pay that close attention to rankings either...in terms of what makes them up, but I will now. Had Goodman implied anything similar to your and Dave's point about mental toughness, I think it should be taken into account.  He didn't do that. His only *beef* - according to his tweets - was that he didn't like Mom Ellis' public relations efforts and neither did an anonymous rankings guy who dropped Perry because of it, which, to me, doesn't seem to have much to do with either talent or mental makeup.

Yeah, but you're taking his comment about his mom being involved and declaring that it was a ranking drop out of spite.  I'm saying the ranker could take his mom being involved to mean - again, rightly or wrongly - that the kid's a puss.  I don't know which one's right, but I wouldn't flip out either way based on either of our interpretations of a tweet.

[MakeItRain]

Focus people. All this venom needs to be directed at the true evil here.
 

barneyrubble

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Re: Pat Forde leaving ESPN Reply

Saw Forde making out with some female TV reporter from Wichita in a bar at the NCAA tournament in Oklahoma City a couple years ago. It was kind of weird.

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