K-State Should Not Fund a Bus System

[MakeItRain]

driving to ksu and parking is incredibly easy.  easier than taking a bus in almost all cases.  and nearly everyone in manhattan has a car. 

Why are you under the impression that people with cars don't ride the bus?

If I were in Manhattan I wouldn't take the bus to the grocery store, but depending on how the bus system is, I'd take it to campus, or work, or to the park.  Having a car and riding the bus isn't mutually exclusive, neither are elite clubs.  I'd be willing to bet that in cities with good mass transit systems up to 20% of riders have a car.  When I lived in Boston I had two cars and used busses and trains.  I was in Boston two weeks ago, rented a car and still took the bus to the bar.  Also I don't think there are as many people in Manhattan with cars as you think.

[chum1]

driving to ksu and parking is incredibly easy.  easier than taking a bus in almost all cases.  and nearly everyone in manhattan has a car. 

Why are you under the impression that people with cars don't ride the bus?

If I were in Manhattan I wouldn't take the bus to the grocery store, but depending on how the bus system is, I'd take it to campus, or work, or to the park.  Having a car and riding the bus isn't mutually exclusive, neither are elite clubs.  I'd be willing to bet that in cities with good mass transit systems up to 20% of riders have a car.  When I lived in Boston I had two cars and used busses and trains.  I was in Boston two weeks ago, rented a car and still took the bus to the bar.  Also I don't think there are as many people in Manhattan with cars as you think.

I thought it was common public transportation knowledge that people do what's easiest.  In places like Boston, public transportation is often easier.  In places like Manhattan, it almost never is.  Why spend ten minutes walking to the bus stop, ten minutes waiting on a bus, and then ten minutes riding the bus when you can be there in five minutes by driving yourself?  I've lived in two cities with both good bus systems and easy driving/parking.  I've never known anyone with a car that would ever consider taking the bus (outside of extreme examples like being scared to drive on icy roads).  It's just easier to drive.  And we even have to pay for parking!  I also lived in Manhattan my entire life through college and, in my experience, it was pretty rare to meet someone who didn't have a car.

[MakeItRain]

I thought it was common public transportation knowledge that people do what's easiest.  In places like Boston, public transportation is often easier.  In places like Manhattan, it almost never is.  Why spend ten minutes walking to the bus stop, ten minutes waiting on a bus, and then ten minutes riding the bus when you can be there in five minutes by driving yourself?  I've lived in two cities with both good bus systems and easy driving/parking.  I've never known anyone with a car that would ever consider taking the bus (outside of extreme examples like being scared to drive on icy roads).  It's just easier to drive.  And we even have to pay for parking!  I also lived in Manhattan my entire life through college and, in my experience, it was pretty rare to meet someone who didn't have a car.

Didn't hang out at Jardine or south Manhattan I take it.

I'd like to see a study, I feel like a bus system in Manhattan would be pretty damn convienent because of the large number of Manhattanites who live very close to major thoroughfares.  Ft. Riley/Poyntz, Bluemont/Anderson, Kimball, Seth Childs, and Tuttle Creek with some sort of interior shuttle would cover a great deal of space and wouldn't be hard for anyone to get to. 

[sys]

chum1 is right.

[SkinnyBenny]

A drunk bus would be full every weekend night.   

[sys]

A drunk bus would be full every weekend night.   

yeah.  and the morning route(s) to campus would prolly be reasonably used.  everything else?


imeio, 20 minutes is about the cutoff point on route frequency.  less than that and people don't use because they either have to memorize schedules or wait for rough ridin' ever.

[MakeItRain]

A drunk bus would be full every weekend night.   

yeah.  and the morning route(s) to campus would prolly be reasonably used.  everything else?


imeio, 20 minutes is about the cutoff point on route frequency.  less than that and people don't use because they either have to memorize schedules or wait for rough ridin' ever.

Its Manhattan, 6 streets and like 10 lights.  How in the hell could it take more than 20 minutes?

[michigancat]

A drunk bus would be full every weekend night.   

yeah.  and the morning route(s) to campus would prolly be reasonably used.  everything else?


imeio, 20 minutes is about the cutoff point on route frequency.  less than that and people don't use because they either have to memorize schedules or wait for rough ridin' ever.

Its Manhattan, 6 streets and like 10 lights.  How in the hell could it take more than 20 minutes?

He is talking about frequency

Also, FWIW, I think chum1 and sys are right. I still think the city and KSU should jointly fund a bus system.

[Dr Rick Daris]

A drunk bus would be full every weekend night.   

yeah.  and the morning route(s) to campus would prolly be reasonably used.  everything else?


imeio, 20 minutes is about the cutoff point on route frequency.  less than that and people don't use because they either have to memorize schedules or wait for rough ridin' ever.

Its Manhattan, 6 streets and like 10 lights.  How in the hell could it take more than 20 minutes?

He is talking about frequency

Also, FWIW, I think chum1 and sys are right. I still think the city and KSU should jointly fund a bus system.

i'm with michigancat i think. personally don't give a crap whether it makes sense or will lose money or nobody will use it or whatever. just want a bus system.

[MakeItRain]

A drunk bus would be full every weekend night.   

yeah.  and the morning route(s) to campus would prolly be reasonably used.  everything else?


imeio, 20 minutes is about the cutoff point on route frequency.  less than that and people don't use because they either have to memorize schedules or wait for rough ridin' ever.

Its Manhattan, 6 streets and like 10 lights.  How in the hell could it take more than 20 minutes?

He is talking about frequency

Also, FWIW, I think chum1 and sys are right. I still think the city and KSU should jointly fund a bus system.

i'm with michigancat i think. personally don't give a crap whether it makes sense or will lose money or nobody will use it or whatever. just want a bus system.

I know he was talking about frequency, 2 busses per route oppo directions.

I think the city & the campus should jointly fund it.  The bus system would be much more beneficial to students than townies.

[ksucrcoop]

Soooo, is the bus thing going to happen?

this thing is pretty intense http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/DocumentView.aspx?DID=1988

This is the proposed routes for a 3 bus route....

[Kat Kid]

WOULD RIDE!  WOULD NOT REALLY BUT KIND OF BE ELITE!

[Dr Rick Daris]

WOULD RIDE!  WOULD NOT REALLY BUT KIND OF BE ELITE!

yes!

[jmlynch1]

So with the townie election results tonight should we count on a bus system in about a year?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So with the townie election results tonight should we count on a bus system in about a year?

Did ACORN register the poors are finish their mail in ballots for them?

[star seed 7]

that map looks terrible.

[Tobias]

that map looks terrible.

no north arrow, no scale?

shawn h. would club someone over this thing

[SkinnyBenny]

So with the townie election results tonight should we count on a bus system in about a year?

Did ACORN register the poors are finish their mail in ballots for them?

Did you just do that thing where you out yourself for not knowing the difference between are and or?

[0.42]

So with the townie election results tonight should we count on a bus system in about a year?

Did ACORN register the poors are finish their mail in ballots for them?

Sounds like someone is experiencing posterior discomfort