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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Rage Against the McKee on August 23, 2011, 08:59:01 AM
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The townies should pay for it.
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How about both factions just help out since both factions will use it?
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monorail or underground lazy river or gtfo.
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How about both factions just help out since both factions will use it?
It takes about 10 minutes to walk from one corner of K-State's campus to the other. K-State already funds a shuttle that picks people up at KSU stadium and drops them off at campus, and they fund the Aggieville shuttle on game days. It's ridiculous to use kids' tuition money to fund a bus system for the city.
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Yeah, not sure I understand the argument against a school/townie partnership like basically the way every other college town in the country does it.
Places essentially just like Manhattan in terms of local population and enrollment:
CyRide in Ames - City and university funded.
http://www.cyride.com/index.aspx?page=8 (http://www.cyride.com/index.aspx?page=8)
TheBus in Stillwater - City and university funded.
http://www.parking.okstate.edu/ (http://www.parking.okstate.edu/)
Tiger Transit at Auburn - almost entirely University funded with routes throughout the city.
http://www.auburn.edu/administration/parking_transit/transit/index.php (http://www.auburn.edu/administration/parking_transit/transit/index.php)
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Yeah, not sure I understand the argument against a school/townie partnership like basically the way every other college town in the country does it.
Places essentially just like Manhattan in terms of local population and enrollment:
CyRide in Ames - City and university funded.
http://www.cyride.com/index.aspx?page=8 (http://www.cyride.com/index.aspx?page=8)
TheBus in Stillwater - City and university funded.
http://www.parking.okstate.edu/ (http://www.parking.okstate.edu/)
Tiger Transit at Auburn - almost entirely University funded with routes throughout the city.
http://www.auburn.edu/administration/parking_transit/transit/index.php (http://www.auburn.edu/administration/parking_transit/transit/index.php)
All of those campuses are 2-3 times bigger than K-State's. Non-disabled K-State students have no need for a bus system to take them across campus. The city needs the system much more than the university.
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2-3x bigger? How do you figure?
:dunno:
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2-3x bigger? How do you figure?
:dunno:
K-State: 668 acres
OSU: 1,489 acres
ISU: 1,984 acres
Auburn: 1,843 acres
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Isn't the bus system to get people from off-campus to our 668-acre walkable campus?
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Isn't the bus system to get people from off-campus to our 668-acre walkable campus?
That would definitely be a benefit, but those other campuses actually need a bus system to get students across campus. The level of university funding they provide is not a fair comparison to what K-State should provide.
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Isn't the bus system to get people from off-campus to our 668-acre walkable campus?
Probably partly, but the bus would prob also open up parts of town, that was previously deemed too far from campus, to residential and retail development. Expansion, higher rents, more bars/restaurants, etc all in areas that aren't able to draw many students as is.
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Isn't the bus system to get people from off-campus to our 668-acre walkable campus?
Probably partly, but the bus would prob also open up parts of town, that was previously deemed too far from campus, to residential and retail development. Expansion, higher rents, more bars/restaurants, etc all in areas that aren't able to draw many students as is.
Yeah, I meant in part, and in response to Nuts Kicked continually saying students should walk their asses across campus and ignoring the walk from their apartment near Bobby T's or wherever.
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Isn't the bus system to get people from off-campus to our 668-acre walkable campus?
Probably partly, but the bus would prob also open up parts of town, that was previously deemed too far from campus, to residential and retail development. Expansion, higher rents, more bars/restaurants, etc all in areas that aren't able to draw many students as is.
Yeah, I meant in part, and in response to Nuts Kicked continually saying students should walk their asses across campus and ignoring the walk from their apartment near Bobby T's or wherever.
The university should not be funding off campus city services. They should probably contribute the amount of funding they are currently providing for the Aggieville game day shuttle and the shuttle from KSU stadium to campus. Students would still contribute to funding the system indirectly through higher rents.
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How much does K-State's unwillingness to pay have to do with building the new parking garage? :horrorsurprise:
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Isn't the bus system to get people from off-campus to our 668-acre walkable campus?
Probably partly, but the bus would prob also open up parts of town, that was previously deemed too far from campus, to residential and retail development. Expansion, higher rents, more bars/restaurants, etc all in areas that aren't able to draw many students as is.
Yeah, I meant in part, and in response to Nuts Kicked continually saying students should walk their asses across campus and ignoring the walk from their apartment near Bobby T's or wherever.
The university should not be funding off campus city services. They should probably contribute the amount of funding they are currently providing for the Aggieville game day shuttle and the shuttle from KSU stadium to campus. Students would still contribute to funding the system indirectly through higher rents.
Also, a lot of students and faculty will be buying bus passes/fares, assuming it isn't a fully free thing
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Probably partly, but the bus would prob also open up parts of town, that was previously deemed too far from campus, to residential and retail development. Expansion, higher rents, more bars/restaurants, etc all in areas that aren't able to draw many students as is.
You mean to tell me that the government can spend money on a money losing service, but still have the service increase the value of property enough to offset the losses from said service. JFC man, we can't have the government going around creating private wealth then asking for some of it back through taxes.
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Get a bike.
Or buy a parking pass.
Or live closer to everything.
Besides, where would you try and make this bus route go that there would be enough demand to make it worthwhile?
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Should probably get a bus with an Aggieville/Ft. Riley direct route, then pick up a load of soldiers and keep "getting lost" and turning around in circles until the bars close and everyone goes home. Come around 2:30 am, what do you know, the driver remembers how to get to Aggieville.
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Get a bike.
Or buy a parking pass.
Or live closer to everything.
Besides, where would you try and make this bus route go that there would be enough demand to make it worthwhile?
Would have loved to live in MHK without a car. Impossible to do however since you can't live close to everything in Manhattan.
3 or 4 fixed routes would really solve a lot of problems though.
Anderson/Bluemont route from Tuttle Creek- Scenic Drive.
Center city loop from Poyntz to Kimball, Sunset to Juliette
Sethchild/Ft. Riley Boulevard/Tuttle Creek/Marlatt loop
Maybe another route in there somewhere.
To do it right, it would probably cost $5 million to start up the service with a yearly cost of $500k-$1 million depending on hours/bus size etc.
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Why would anyone in manhattan not have a car? :kstategrad:
Public transport is for peasants
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How much does K-State's unwillingness to pay have to do with building the new parking garage? :horrorsurprise:
How much is the city's unwillingness to pay due to the fact that townies want students condensed around the university and not dispersed throughout town?
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A lot of it. It's comical how much townies either secretly or not-so-secretly hate the students, given what MHK would be without 'em.
:flush: to townies on this one.
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i didn't have a car the entire time i was a student. not that hard. also don't think it has anything to do w/ townies wanted all the students close to ksu. townie nut jobs all got together and voted a bunch of whacko nutjobs onto county commission and now we get to just see stupid things like this. also, if the townie can complain about students and the university and try to get them to do even more for the town than they already do then they will. townie nature 101. they just can't help themselves.
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i didn't have a car the entire time i was a student. not that hard. also don't think it has anything to do w/ townies wanted all the students close to ksu. townie nut jobs all got together and voted a bunch of whacko nutjobs onto county commission and now we get to just see stupid things like this. also, if the townie can complain about students and the university and try to get them to do even more for the town than they already do then they will. townie nature 101. they just can't help themselves.
Question, rd.
Do Manhattan townies wish Manhattan had more or less than 30K in population? My feeling was that true townies wanted to make Manhattan a really, really small Mayberry like town. I could be wrong though. I only lived there for four years.
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i didn't have a car the entire time i was a student. not that hard. also don't think it has anything to do w/ townies wanted all the students close to ksu. townie nut jobs all got together and voted a bunch of whacko nutjobs onto county commission and now we get to just see stupid things like this. also, if the townie can complain about students and the university and try to get them to do even more for the town than they already do then they will. townie nature 101. they just can't help themselves.
Question, rd.
Do Manhattan townies wish Manhattan had more or less than 30K in population? My feeling was that true townies wanted to make Manhattan a really, really small Mayberry like town. I could be wrong though. I only lived there for four years.
If so, their dream is about to get a serious crap laid on it thanks to the Fed Govt.
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i didn't have a car the entire time i was a student. not that hard. also don't think it has anything to do w/ townies wanted all the students close to ksu. townie nut jobs all got together and voted a bunch of whacko nutjobs onto county commission and now we get to just see stupid things like this. also, if the townie can complain about students and the university and try to get them to do even more for the town than they already do then they will. townie nature 101. they just can't help themselves.
Question, rd.
Do Manhattan townies wish Manhattan had more or less than 30K in population? My feeling was that true townies wanted to make Manhattan a really, really small Mayberry like town. I could be wrong though. I only lived there for four years.
I don't think so. I think every townie tuck just wants the best of both worlds. Population and events that occur because of the university, but none of those bratty drunk college kids running around when I'm trying to take my grandson to buy some erasers at The Palace.
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Being a grownup in Manhattan that takes the paper, and reads it, is a depressing and infuriating step on the path toward cynicism.
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Being a grownup in Manhattan that takes the paper, and reads it, is a depressing and infuriating step on the path toward cynicism.
Elabo's, plz.
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Buses are for poor people. Make them pay for it.
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Buses are for poor people. Make them pay for it.
Poor people pay the fairs. Rich people get improved property value. They should pay the taxes.
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Buses are for poor people. Make them pay for it.
Poor people pay the fairs. Rich people get improved property value. They should pay the taxes.
Pardon me if this has been covered, but how exactly do buses increase property value? IMO, having a bus stop near your property reduces your property value.
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Sugar dick, student housing away from campus is less valuable due to proximity to campus.
Hth
/w/
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Buses are for poor people. Make them pay for it.
Poor people pay the fairs. Rich people get improved property value. They should pay the taxes.
Pardon me if this has been covered, but how exactly do buses increase property value? IMO, having a bus stop near your property reduces your property value.
Bus stops would have a minimal impact on property values, most likely because in the vast majority of residential areas where people would deem a stop detrimental to values wouldn't have a stop. In other residential areas (places not filled with tucks) they'd be seen as an attribute, making areas in proximity to stops increase in value. Also this isn't really going to impact commercial property in a big way, but it would make property more valuable in that it increases the number of people who can reach the stores and reduces maintenance on parking lots.
The second one isn't a big deal, but a solid public transport system could eventually lead to lower-cost housing by reducing the need for gigantic ass parking lots around apartment complexes.
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Buses are for poor people. Make them pay for it.
Poor people pay the fairs. Rich people get improved property value. They should pay the taxes.
Pardon me if this has been covered, but how exactly do buses increase property value? IMO, having a bus stop near your property reduces your property value.
Bus stops would have a minimal impact on property values, most likely because in the vast majority of residential areas where people would deem a stop detrimental to values wouldn't have a stop. In other residential areas (places not filled with tucks) they'd be seen as an attribute, making areas in proximity to stops increase in value. Also this isn't really going to impact commercial property in a big way, but it would make property more valuable in that it increases the number of people who can reach the stores and reduces maintenance on parking lots.
The second one isn't a big deal, but a solid public transport system could eventually lead to lower-cost housing by reducing the need for gigantic ass parking lots around apartment complexes.
Meh, everybody in Kansas has a car. Especially kid coming from small-town KS or JOCO. A Bus-system won't change that.
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Buses are for poor people. Make them pay for it.
Poor people pay the fairs. Rich people get improved property value. They should pay the taxes.
Pardon me if this has been covered, but how exactly do buses increase property value? IMO, having a bus stop near your property reduces your property value.
Bus stops would have a minimal impact on property values, most likely because in the vast majority of residential areas where people would deem a stop detrimental to values wouldn't have a stop. In other residential areas (places not filled with tucks) they'd be seen as an attribute, making areas in proximity to stops increase in value. Also this isn't really going to impact commercial property in a big way, but it would make property more valuable in that it increases the number of people who can reach the stores and reduces maintenance on parking lots.
The second one isn't a big deal, but a solid public transport system could eventually lead to lower-cost housing by reducing the need for gigantic ass parking lots around apartment complexes.
Meh, everybody in Kansas has a car. Especially kid coming from small-town KS or JOCO. A Bus-system won't change that.
If you want to attract students from outside of Kansas, where not everyone will have a car, a bus system makes the university more attractive. Especially when you consider every peer college town offers a bus system.
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Buses are for poor people. Make them pay for it.
Poor people pay the fairs. Rich people get improved property value. They should pay the taxes.
Pardon me if this has been covered, but how exactly do buses increase property value? IMO, having a bus stop near your property reduces your property value.
Renters who own property near a bus stop will be able to draw a slightly higher rent from tenants who would no longer have to hunt for a parking spot on campus. Businesses near a bus stop will do more business, especially convenience stores. The people who get the benefits of a mass transit system are the taxpayers. The people who ride the bus pay a fair, so they support the system, too.
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Buses are for poor people. Make them pay for it.
Poor people pay the fairs. Rich people get improved property value. They should pay the taxes.
Pardon me if this has been covered, but how exactly do buses increase property value? IMO, having a bus stop near your property reduces your property value.
Renters who own property near a bus stop will be able to draw a slightly higher rent from tenants who would no longer have to hunt for a parking spot on campus. Businesses near a bus stop will do more business, especially convenience stores. The people who get the benefits of a mass transit system are the taxpayers. The people who ride the bus pay a fair, so they support the system, too.
I hate to be skinny benny on this but damn I can only take so much.
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This thread has turned into a full on Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fuckfest. :facepalm:
A bus system benefits the people who ride the bus. Any contrived benefit to commercial real estate is at best de minimus or completely offset by the adverse effects of a bus system.
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Yeah, the adverse effects of a bus system. Reducing congestion, road maintenance, and the need to build new infrastructure. Combined with making areas more desirable, increasing economic output (locally). Mass transit is truly a boil on society's ass.
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i love the idea of mass transity type stuff. don't know how much i'd use it in mhk but would love to have it.
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i didn't have a car the entire time i was a student. not that hard. also don't think it has anything to do w/ townies wanted all the students close to ksu. townie nut jobs all got together and voted a bunch of whacko nutjobs onto county commission and now we get to just see stupid things like this. also, if the townie can complain about students and the university and try to get them to do even more for the town than they already do then they will. townie nature 101. they just can't help themselves.
Question, rd.
Do Manhattan townies wish Manhattan had more or less than 30K in population? My feeling was that true townies wanted to make Manhattan a really, really small Mayberry like town. I could be wrong though. I only lived there for four years.
they want the stuff that comes with having more people, they just don't really want the people and as a whole don't tend to trust outsiders. kind of a keep to your self bunch and probably somewhat that way because of all of the transient come and go military and student populations. town turnover is pretty high compared to other comparably sized towns across the us and there is this odd sense of entitlement and superiority that lifers have.
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This thread has turned into a full on respect fuckfest. :facepalm:
A bus system benefits the people who ride the bus. Any contrived benefit to commercial real estate is at best de minimus or completely offset by the adverse effects of a bus system.
The only downside of a bus system is the cost. Any other downside needs a citation. Feel free to independently research the mostly factual and we'll reasoned assertions in favor of mass transit.
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I hate to be skinny benny on this but damn I can only take so much.
:excited:
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It is so adorable when kat kid says "takes the paper".
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It is so adorable when kat kid says "takes the paper".
:thumbs: I also enjoyed this term.
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Takeover_Tuggle Justin Tuggle
More parking passes than parking spots on campus
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Most students do have cars, and the ones that dont live close to campus out of need. If the bus system will really improve rents that can be collected and business that is generated why dont those guys pay for it and charge a fair.... because you cant make money off of it. Tax dollars would have to be pumped into it unless the KSU threw down some money. There is already a transport from the stadium and there a plenty of other current programs that are hurting for money worse than someone that cant ride a bike or find a place semi-close to campus. The city has other problems to worry about such as schools, roads, etc. rather than building a bus system.
Overall it would be "cool" to have a bus system and might bring us up closer to what some other schools have but lets be honest, chances are pretty slim. A 18 year old kid isnt going to choose a school based on buses or no buses, most live in dorms anyway.
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Most students do have cars
duh, because there isn't a bus system.
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Most students do have cars, and the ones that dont live close to campus out of need. If the bus system will really improve rents that can be collected and business that is generated why dont those guys pay for it and charge a fair.... because you cant make money off of it. Tax dollars would have to be pumped into it unless the KSU threw down some money. There is already a transport from the stadium and there a plenty of other current programs that are hurting for money worse than someone that cant ride a bike or find a place semi-close to campus. The city has other problems to worry about such as schools, roads, etc. rather than building a bus system.
Overall it would be "cool" to have a bus system and might bring us up closer to what some other schools have but lets be honest, chances are pretty slim. A 18 year old kid isnt going to choose a school based on buses or no buses, most live in dorms anyway.
translation- yes we are behind similar towns with schools of our size in regards to mass transit, but it seems like it might be kind of hard to implement something like this so lets just do nothing instead.
what a rough ridin' loser attitude. dear god.
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If townys aren't going to help support it just make sure every stop either originates or ends on campus.
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If townys aren't going to help support it just make sure every stop either originates or ends on campus.
The lack of vision and foresight among townies and the commission is astounding. I think Jon Wefald should run for City Commission. Sure he'd be incompetent, but at least he'd have some big ideas.
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If townys aren't going to help support it just make sure every stop either originates or ends on campus.
The lack of vision and foresight among townies and the commission is astounding. I think Jon Wefald should run for City Commission. Sure he'd be incompetent, but at least he'd have some big ideas.
Think he could pull the Negro League Museum away from KC?
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If townys aren't going to help support it just make sure every stop either originates or ends on campus.
The lack of vision and foresight among townies and the commission is astounding. I think Jon Wefald should run for City Commission. Sure he'd be incompetent, but at least he'd have some big ideas.
Think he could pull the Negro League Museum away from KC?
Maybe he could use his empty office space in the Leadership Studies Building?
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is this something that's even being seriously considered or is nuts kicked just bored? Yes, Manhattan should have a bus system and it should be funded by both the university and the city. If it ever did happen the university will have to take the first step and then maybe if the city hears enough people whining about not being about to ride the bus b/c they aren't students/faculty they will pony up a little cash to support it. Funny thing is if k-state starts a bus system and doesn't let non university employee townies ride it, it will just make the townies hate the university even more!
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Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fuckfest continues. All assumptions regarding the benefits of a bus system hinge on the bus operating at or near full capacity. Of course, this is almost never turns out to be the case. Even then those benefits are overblown (i.e., 1) reduced congestion is a total rough ridin' myth, people with cars don't ride the bus; 2) routing people to commercial areas, people that ride the bus don't take it shopping). Fortunately for mass transit tards the cost of the system is so irrelevant, even a failing transit system often goes on subsidized in perpetuity.
There's nowhere to put buses in Manhattan, KS. All major thoroughfares are either 4 lanes or 2 lanes, split with a suicide lane. Have fun staring at a bus, while your car idles for two minutes, so the one guy that gets on the bus can hop aboard. :comeatme:
Unless this thing runs from 10pm to 4am no one will use it.
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Unless this thing runs from 10pm to 4am.
Which it should, because that would be monumentally successful AND cut down on drunk driving. But I have a feeling the townie tucks would bristle at that suggestion and just say "people shouldn't be getting drunk in the first place! We can't support this behavior!" like they always do.
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Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fuckfest continues. All assumptions regarding the benefits of a bus system hinge on the bus operating at or near full capacity. Of course, this is almost never turns out to be the case. Even then those benefits are overblown (i.e., 1) reduced congestion is a total rough ridin' myth, people with cars don't ride the bus; 2) routing people to commercial areas, people that ride the bus don't take it shopping). Fortunately for mass transit tards the cost of the system is so irrelevant, even a failing transit system often goes on subsidized in perpetuity.
There's nowhere to put buses in Manhattan, KS. All major thoroughfares are either 4 lanes or 2 lanes, split with a suicide lane. Have fun staring at a bus, while your car idles for two minutes, so the one guy that gets on the bus can hop aboard. :comeatme:
Unless this thing runs from 10pm to 4am no one will use it.
LOL at FSD never being outside of Kansas to see a mass transit system.
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Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fuckfest continues. All assumptions regarding the benefits of a bus system hinge on the bus operating at or near full capacity. Of course, this is almost never turns out to be the case. Even then those benefits are overblown (i.e., 1) reduced congestion is a total rough ridin' myth, people with cars don't ride the bus; 2) routing people to commercial areas, people that ride the bus don't take it shopping). Fortunately for mass transit tards the cost of the system is so irrelevant, even a failing transit system often goes on subsidized in perpetuity.
There's nowhere to put buses in Manhattan, KS. All major thoroughfares are either 4 lanes or 2 lanes, split with a suicide lane. Have fun staring at a bus, while your car idles for two minutes, so the one guy that gets on the bus can hop aboard. :comeatme:
Unless this thing runs from 10pm to 4am no one will use it.
LOL at FSD never being outside of Kansas to see a mass transit system.
nuh, uhh, you never bin oustide kanzas :comeatme:
Manhattan is basically Chicago, IL. Lots of bars, guys with mustaches, brick buildings, and a big lake. There's no reason to think a mass transit system similar to that of Chicago wouldn't be a huge success in Manhattan.
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Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fuckfest continues. All assumptions regarding the benefits of a bus system hinge on the bus operating at or near full capacity. Of course, this is almost never turns out to be the case. Even then those benefits are overblown (i.e., 1) reduced congestion is a total rough ridin' myth, people with cars don't ride the bus; 2) routing people to commercial areas, people that ride the bus don't take it shopping). Fortunately for mass transit tards the cost of the system is so irrelevant, even a failing transit system often goes on subsidized in perpetuity.
The only benefit I care about is it makes KSU a more attractive option to more students, just like ridiculous football lounges and weight rooms make our athletic program more attractive to recruits. It's part of the Facilities Wars of the general student population. I could not care less about the functionality - the perception alone would be worth whatever it cost the city and/or university.
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Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fuckfest continues. All assumptions regarding the benefits of a bus system hinge on the bus operating at or near full capacity. Of course, this is almost never turns out to be the case. Even then those benefits are overblown (i.e., 1) reduced congestion is a total rough ridin' myth, people with cars don't ride the bus; 2) routing people to commercial areas, people that ride the bus don't take it shopping). Fortunately for mass transit tards the cost of the system is so irrelevant, even a failing transit system often goes on subsidized in perpetuity.
The only benefit I care about is it makes KSU a more attractive option to more students, just like ridiculous football lounges and weight rooms make our athletic program more attractive to recruits. It's part of the Facilities Wars of the general student population. I could not care less about the functionality - the perception alone would be worth whatever it cost the city and/or university.
No doubt, michigancat. I bet there are literally thousands of kids who were ready to apply to k-state and then . . . "OMG, no bus system!?!?" "Well then [tears up application]" :facepalm:
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Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fuckfest continues. All assumptions regarding the benefits of a bus system hinge on the bus operating at or near full capacity. Of course, this is almost never turns out to be the case. Even then those benefits are overblown (i.e., 1) reduced congestion is a total rough ridin' myth, people with cars don't ride the bus; 2) routing people to commercial areas, people that ride the bus don't take it shopping). Fortunately for mass transit tards the cost of the system is so irrelevant, even a failing transit system often goes on subsidized in perpetuity.
The only benefit I care about is it makes KSU a more attractive option to more students, just like ridiculous football lounges and weight rooms make our athletic program more attractive to recruits. It's part of the Facilities Wars of the general student population. I could not care less about the functionality - the perception alone would be worth whatever it cost the city and/or university.
No doubt, michigancat. I bet there are literally thousands of kids who were ready to apply to k-state and then . . . "OMG, no bus system!?!?" "Well then [tears up application]" :facepalm:
It does make us sound "big time" though. Not sure where I stand on this yet. Keep the debate rolling, EMAWs.
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Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fuckfest continues. All assumptions regarding the benefits of a bus system hinge on the bus operating at or near full capacity. Of course, this is almost never turns out to be the case. Even then those benefits are overblown (i.e., 1) reduced congestion is a total rough ridin' myth, people with cars don't ride the bus; 2) routing people to commercial areas, people that ride the bus don't take it shopping). Fortunately for mass transit tards the cost of the system is so irrelevant, even a failing transit system often goes on subsidized in perpetuity.
The only benefit I care about is it makes KSU a more attractive option to more students, just like ridiculous football lounges and weight rooms make our athletic program more attractive to recruits. It's part of the Facilities Wars of the general student population. I could not care less about the functionality - the perception alone would be worth whatever it cost the city and/or university.
Recruits these days don't need leather couches and HDTV's all over a lounge. They are also fine practicing in Ahearn half the time. Let's cancel the Training facility :facepalm:
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Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fuckfest continues. All assumptions regarding the benefits of a bus system hinge on the bus operating at or near full capacity. Of course, this is almost never turns out to be the case. Even then those benefits are overblown (i.e., 1) reduced congestion is a total rough ridin' myth, people with cars don't ride the bus; 2) routing people to commercial areas, people that ride the bus don't take it shopping). Fortunately for mass transit tards the cost of the system is so irrelevant, even a failing transit system often goes on subsidized in perpetuity.
There's nowhere to put buses in Manhattan, KS. All major thoroughfares are either 4 lanes or 2 lanes, split with a suicide lane. Have fun staring at a bus, while your car idles for two minutes, so the one guy that gets on the bus can hop aboard. :comeatme:
Unless this thing runs from 10pm to 4am no one will use it.
If you were a student at K-State, would you rather leave your house 30 minutes early, only to sit in the parking lot for another 30 minutes waiting on a parking space to open up, then have to walk 2 blocks to your class, or leave your house 10 minutes early, walk 2 blocks to the bus stop, and get dropped off at the front door?
Students with cars absolutely would use a bus system. Townies probably wouldn't as much, but the bus would be great for the airport.
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is this something that's even being seriously considered or is nuts kicked just bored? Yes, Manhattan should have a bus system and it should be funded by both the university and the city. If it ever did happen the university will have to take the first step and then maybe if the city hears enough people whining about not being about to ride the bus b/c they aren't students/faculty they will pony up a little cash to support it. Funny thing is if k-state starts a bus system and doesn't let non university employee townies ride it, it will just make the townies hate the university even more!
Manhattan has already voted the system down once, citing a lack of university funding as the reason. The city sucks the university teet 24/7, then balks at funding something that already would have been subsidized with federal dollars, just because the university would have gotten some benefit without paying for it. What's next? Asking K-State to pay for clearing the snow off the streets in neighborhoods where only students live?
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Probably way different debates as far as whether there should be a bus system vs. if so, who should pay for it. :dunno:
FWIW, in a way, MOAP2 will have a bus system.
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i didn't read this thread, but i imagine it's fake sugar dick bitching about stuff that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Stillwater has a bus system and it works perfectly fine. i've never had to wait for a slow moving bus.
Manhattan really should strive to be more like Stillwater and less like Ames.
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Ames has a bus system...
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Ames has a bus system...
wasn't talking about the bus system, was talking about Ames in general.
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Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fuckfest continues. All assumptions regarding the benefits of a bus system hinge on the bus operating at or near full capacity. Of course, this is almost never turns out to be the case. Even then those benefits are overblown (i.e., 1) reduced congestion is a total rough ridin' myth, people with cars don't ride the bus; 2) routing people to commercial areas, people that ride the bus don't take it shopping). Fortunately for mass transit tards the cost of the system is so irrelevant, even a failing transit system often goes on subsidized in perpetuity.
The only benefit I care about is it makes KSU a more attractive option to more students, just like ridiculous football lounges and weight rooms make our athletic program more attractive to recruits. It's part of the Facilities Wars of the general student population. I could not care less about the functionality - the perception alone would be worth whatever it cost the city and/or university.
Recruits these days don't need leather couches and HDTV's all over a lounge. They are also fine practicing in Ahearn half the time. Let's cancel the Training facility :facepalm:
Comparing luxury amenities like HDTV's and leather couches to public transportation is the most retardiest thing I've seen on the Pit in a while.
'grats MichiCat
A Hummer Stretch Limo with strippers and dom on it is basically the same thing as 'the Jo'
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i didn't read this thread, but i imagine it's fake sugar dick bitching about stuff that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Stillwater has a bus system and it works perfectly fine. i've never had to wait for a slow moving bus.
Manhattan really should strive to be more like Stillwater and less like Ames.
Well if the bus system in Stillwater "works perfectly fine", I stand corrected :mongoloid:
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So FSD, what's the main reason for your opposition to this? Narrow it down to one thing plz, tia. I'm guessing you're one of these "we totally don't have the money! The rent is too damn high!" guys, right?
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So FSD, what's the main reason for your opposition to this? Narrow it down to one thing plz, tia. I'm guessing you're one of these "we totally don't have the money! The rent is too damn high!" guys, right?
I don't live in Manhattan. I don't give a eff if they have a bus system or not.
The people who ride the bus should pay for it, not the school or the town, or anyone who doesn't ride it. It's bullshit when govt invents reasons why a bus is good thing for people who don't use it as justification for them having to pay for it.
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So FSD, what's the main reason for your opposition to this? Narrow it down to one thing plz, tia. I'm guessing you're one of these "we totally don't have the money! The rent is too damn high!" guys, right?
I don't live in Manhattan. I don't give a eff if they have a bus system or not.
The people who ride the bus should pay for it, not the school or the town, or anyone who doesn't ride it. It's bullshit when govt invents reasons why a bus is good thing for people who don't use it as justification for them having to pay for it.
People who don't ride the bus are the reason there is a need for a bus in the first place, though.
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So FSD, what's the main reason for your opposition to this? Narrow it down to one thing plz, tia. I'm guessing you're one of these "we totally don't have the money! The rent is too damn high!" guys, right?
I don't live in Manhattan. I don't give a eff if they have a bus system or not.
The people who ride the bus should pay for it, not the school or the town, or anyone who doesn't ride it. It's bullshit when govt invents reasons why a bus is good thing for people who don't use it as justification for them having to pay for it.
there are a million things like that. people that don't have cars have to pay for road improvement, people without kids have to pay for our education system, the list goes on and on and you don't hear them bitch about it. i think you just like to bitch fake sugar dick. oh man, another day another fake sugar dick whiny bitchy post bitching about something. color me surprised. :zzz:
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This would probably be a good thread to list the cities with a population over 40,000 that have a major university with an enrollment of 25,000 or more that DON'T have a effing bus system or any form of public transportation.
I seriously can't come across one, but I'm sure there is some place in America that has the same backwards townie mentality to progress and is as stuck in the past as Manhattan.
Just not sure where to look, but I'm sure Fake Sugar Dick can probably throw out some good examples.
Virginia Tech - Blacksburgh, Virginia, 50,000 local population, 28,000 students - No, denied. Bus system.
Utah State - Logan, Utah, 45,000 local population, 25,000 students - No, denied. Bus system.
West Virginia - Morgantown, West Virginia, 35,000 local population, 29,000 students - No, denied. PRT and bus system.
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Fake Sugar Dick getting totally clowned in this thread. :users:
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After hearing the following overwhelming evidence in favor of a bus system, Sugar Dick is forced to concede his position that he doesn't like buses
- Local Bus system is basically the same thing as an elite player lounge for students
- Local Bus system offers the same benefits to interstate commerce as the Interstate Highway System
- Local Bus system benefits society in parity with public education
- Three cities over 3000 miles away have a local Bus system
I don't know what Sugar Dick was thinking, apologies.
OT: why is everyone on this board, other than Sugar Dick, so rough ridin' stupid?
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After hearing the following overwhelming evidence in favor of a bus system, Sugar Dick is forced to concede his position that he doesn't like buses
- Local Bus system is basically the same thing as an elite player lounge for students
- Local Bus system offers the same benefits to interstate commerce as the Interstate Highway System
- Local Bus system benefits society in parity with public education
- Three cities over 3000 miles away have a local Bus system
I don't know what Sugar Dick was thinking, apologies.
OT: why is everyone on this board, other than Sugar Dick, so rough ridin' stupid?
On the bright side guys, we're not so stupid as to believe that bus is a proper noun or there's a city in the lower 48 that's more than 3,000 miles away from Manhattan.
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i'd take a bus to the rec center whenever it was like 10 degrees outside since i'm south of campus. i'd also take a bus to Dillon's so I'd really only have to use my car whenever I drive home and back. I think a decent number of students (especially broke-ass grad students) would welcome a bus system to get across town.
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i'd take a bus to the rec center whenever it was like 10 degrees outside since i'm south of campus. i'd also take a bus to Dillon's so I'd really only have to use my car whenever I drive home and back. I think a decent number of students (especially broke-ass grad students) would welcome a bus system to get across town.
Do you work at Dillon's?
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i'd take a bus to the rec center whenever it was like 10 degrees outside since i'm south of campus. i'd also take a bus to Dillon's so I'd really only have to use my car whenever I drive home and back. I think a decent number of students (especially broke-ass grad students) would welcome a bus system to get across town.
Do you work at Dillon's?
nope.
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Holy crap I'm sad I missed this. It is now 100% obvious that FSD is some stupid ass racist small townie hick, likely from some small SE Kansas town like Independence or some crap who has never traveled, what a rough ridin' idiot.
People with money use mass transit, you rough ridin' moron. You know who doesn't use mass transit? Ignorant crackers scared of interacting with the rest of the world, you people who have 6 years of pickled beets and 15 cases of water stored in mason jars in your bunker getting ready for that big day. Jesus rough ridin' christ what a goddamn loser.
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Holy crap I'm sad I missed this. It is now 100% obvious that FSD is some stupid ass racist small townie hick, likely from some small SE Kansas town like Independence or some crap who has never traveled, what a rough ridin' idiot.
People with money use mass transit, you rough ridin' moron. You know who doesn't use mass transit? Ignorant crackers scared of interacting with the rest of the world, you people who have 6 years of pickled beets and 15 cases of water stored in mason jars in your bunker getting ready for that big day. Jesus rough ridin' christ what a goddamn loser.
Kansas City has a pretty bad stigma attached to its bus system (which is actually pretty good).
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I'm still trying to find a major university other than K-State that doesn't have a bus system.
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Holy crap I'm sad I missed this. It is now 100% obvious that FSD is some stupid ass racist small townie hick, likely from some small SE Kansas town like Independence or some crap who has never traveled, what a rough ridin' idiot.
People with money use mass transit, you rough ridin' moron. You know who doesn't use mass transit? Ignorant crackers scared of interacting with the rest of the world, you people who have 6 years of pickled beets and 15 cases of water stored in mason jars in your bunker getting ready for that big day. Jesus rough ridin' christ what a goddamn loser.
he also doesn't understand what an analogy is.
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Holy crap I'm sad I missed this. It is now 100% obvious that FSD is some stupid ass racist small townie hick, likely from some small SE Kansas town like Independence or some crap who has never traveled, what a rough ridin' idiot.
People with money use mass transit, you rough ridin' moron. You know who doesn't use mass transit? Ignorant crackers scared of interacting with the rest of the world, you people who have 6 years of pickled beets and 15 cases of water stored in mason jars in your bunker getting ready for that big day. Jesus rough ridin' christ what a goddamn loser.
Kansas City has a pretty bad stigma attached to its bus system (which is actually pretty good).
Yeah, I was assuming that he based his opinion on KC's Metro. I was also assuming that he has never actually used it.
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Retards like Fake Sugar Dick who are against bus systems are just afraid they will get mugged/raped while riding the bus at night.
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I love mass transit. It's amazing.
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I love mass transit. It's amazing.
when it's done well, there's no more useful and pleasant amenity*. if done poorly it can be waste of resources. i don't know if this is fake sugar dick's point (probably not), but it might be hard for a city as small as mhk to support a system with wide enough coverage and frequent enough service to gain widespread acceptance. if the feds were going to subsidize it though, they certainly should have tried.
* - not just public/urban. countries or regions with reasonably priced, adequately scheduled bus or train systems are fantastic.
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no one would take the bus in mhk because it's always easier to drive and everyone has a car, right? what am i missing here?
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no one would take the bus in mhk because it's always easier to drive and everyone has a car, right? what am i missing here?
The point of EcoKat. :dubious:
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no one would take the bus in mhk because it's always easier to drive and everyone has a car, right? what am i missing here?
The point of EcoKat. :dubious:
so, we'll have a bunch of empty buses, but having them will make us feel good about ourselves?
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You're right, people would way rather drive to campus and idle in the parking lot for 40 minutes, and then be 15 minutes late to class.
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LOL at this thread.
Rich people ride mass transit, not poor people. ZOMFG :facepalm:
Mass transit is a disgusting example of humanity. Nothing surprises me less than the posters on this board in favor of it.
I am also flattered at ya'lls curiosity about my race (and propensity for racism), my residence (now and prior), and my whereabouts (which I'm guessing the mods can figure out). I had no idea I was such a provocative character. :blush:
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You're right, people would way rather drive to campus and idle in the parking lot for 40 minutes, and then be 15 minutes late to class.
how many people do this now?
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Sugar Dick
The people who use the bus should pay for it
Ignorant bigoted mouth-breathing resident goemawtard reply:
You're a racist hick who has never been outside of Burlington, KS and you don't know what a bus or subway looks like, you probably think it looks like a cow, and you are afraid of people, and your own shadow and you're white and you like towns and I'm smarter than you even though I'm less educated, have less wealth, and am all around a worse person, but acting socially conscience makes me a good person by proxy and better than you, even though I'm too lazy to take the glass to ripple glass, you should know that a bus system is the one thing that takes a place from good to great, the public library is a great place to beat off, EcoKat rides the bus, but I don't, but being in favor of a bus system makes me a good person, and buses are a boon to rich people so they should pay for it, not me
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Sugar Dick
The people who use the bus should pay for it
Ignorant bigoted mouth-breathing resident goemawtard reply:
You're a racist hick who has never been outside of Burlington, KS and you don't know what a bus or subway looks like, you probably think it looks like a cow, and you are afraid of people, and your own shadow and you're white and you like towns and I'm smarter than you even though I'm less educated, have less wealth, and am all around a worse person, but acting socially conscience makes me a good person by proxy and better than you, even though I'm too lazy to take the glass to ripple glass, you should know that a bus system is the one thing that takes a place from good to great, the public library is a great place to beat off, EcoKat rides the bus, but I don't, but being in favor of a bus system makes me a good person, and buses are a boon to rich people so they should pay for it, not me
I don't think anybody is proposing a fare-free bus system, here.
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Sugar Dick
The people who use the bus should pay for it
Ignorant bigoted mouth-breathing resident goemawtard reply:
You're a racist hick who has never been outside of Burlington, KS and you don't know what a bus or subway looks like, you probably think it looks like a cow, and you are afraid of people, and your own shadow and you're white and you like towns and I'm smarter than you even though I'm less educated, have less wealth, and am all around a worse person, but acting socially conscience makes me a good person by proxy and better than you, even though I'm too lazy to take the glass to ripple glass, you should know that a bus system is the one thing that takes a place from good to great, the public library is a great place to beat off, EcoKat rides the bus, but I don't, but being in favor of a bus system makes me a good person, and buses are a boon to rich people so they should pay for it, not me
I don't think anybody is proposing a fare-free bus system, here.
The title of the thread is "K-State should not fund a bus system"
I replied that the people who ride it should pay for it.
WTF are you talking about?
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Sugar Dick
The people who use the bus should pay for it
Ignorant bigoted mouth-breathing resident goemawtard reply:
You're a racist hick who has never been outside of Burlington, KS and you don't know what a bus or subway looks like, you probably think it looks like a cow, and you are afraid of people, and your own shadow and you're white and you like towns and I'm smarter than you even though I'm less educated, have less wealth, and am all around a worse person, but acting socially conscience makes me a good person by proxy and better than you, even though I'm too lazy to take the glass to ripple glass, you should know that a bus system is the one thing that takes a place from good to great, the public library is a great place to beat off, EcoKat rides the bus, but I don't, but being in favor of a bus system makes me a good person, and buses are a boon to rich people so they should pay for it, not me
I don't think anybody is proposing a fare-free bus system, here.
The title of the thread is "K-State should not fund a bus system"
I replied that the people who ride it should pay for it.
WTF are you talking about?
K-State students who ride the bus are not K-State.
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Sugar Dick
The people who use the bus should pay for it
Ignorant bigoted mouth-breathing resident goemawtard reply:
You're a racist hick who has never been outside of Burlington, KS and you don't know what a bus or subway looks like, you probably think it looks like a cow, and you are afraid of people, and your own shadow and you're white and you like towns and I'm smarter than you even though I'm less educated, have less wealth, and am all around a worse person, but acting socially conscience makes me a good person by proxy and better than you, even though I'm too lazy to take the glass to ripple glass, you should know that a bus system is the one thing that takes a place from good to great, the public library is a great place to beat off, EcoKat rides the bus, but I don't, but being in favor of a bus system makes me a good person, and buses are a boon to rich people so they should pay for it, not me
I don't think anybody is proposing a fare-free bus system, here.
The title of the thread is "K-State should not fund a bus system"
I replied that the people who ride it should pay for it.
WTF are you talking about?
see:
People who go to college should pay for it.
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I'm not against mass transit, but it would be pretty worthless in a city like Manhattan. The logistics are just too complicated. For instance, lets say you take a bus to Dillon's to get groceries. You buy your groceries, then what? Wait half an hour until it comes back again? Who in the eff is going to want to do that? Manhattan isn't Chicago, it can't afford to have 1000 buses whizzing by all over the place. The city is too spread out. Buses would be useful if campus was bigger, but our campus isn't that big as other posters pointed out.
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I'm not against mass transit, but it would be pretty worthless in a city like Manhattan. The logistics are just too complicated. For instance, lets say you take a bus to Dillon's to get groceries. You buy your groceries, then what? Wait half an hour until it comes back again? Who in the eff is going to want to do that? Manhattan isn't Chicago, it can't afford to have 1000 buses whizzing by all over the place. The city is too spread out. Buses would be useful if campus was bigger, but our campus isn't that big as other posters pointed out.
Good points, Kim.
Public transit is way too complicated and it would involve bus stops. This would never work in Manhattan.
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I'm not against mass transit, but it would be pretty worthless in a city like Manhattan. The logistics are just too complicated. For instance, lets say you take a bus to Dillon's to get groceries. You buy your groceries, then what? Wait half an hour until it comes back again? Who in the eff is going to want to do that? Manhattan isn't Chicago, it can't afford to have 1000 buses whizzing by all over the place. The city is too spread out. Buses would be useful if campus was bigger, but our campus isn't that big as other posters pointed out.
Good points, Kim.
Public transit is way too complicated and it would involve bus stops. This would never work in Manhattan.
Listen, Manhattan is enormous, with an intimidating web of winding roads. Planning an initial bus system from scratch in a megalopolis such as Manhattan sounds like an absolute nightmare. We would truly be blazing new trails here. Pass.
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I sat down on google maps one day and tried to gameplan a bus system using Chicago as my blueprint. Problem #1? Manhattan is too spread out.
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I sat down on google maps one day and tried to gameplan a bus system using Chicago as my blueprint. Problem #1? Manhattan is too spread out.
Not only is it extremely spread out, it's not like there are clusters of businesses in various locations across the expanse of city. If you had distinct business districts across a spread out city, you may be able to connect them via transit, but not in a place like Manhattan. No clusters there!
:sdeek:
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Potential Problem #2: Are there enough poor people in Manhattan to justify a bus system?
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Got another problem here, guys. I just wikipediaed Manhattan, KS and it says we only have 50,000 people. Not enough to make this work.
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you know what really makes one sound like a small town hick? having no experiences with buses and not realizing that people do not ride the bus when it is easier to drive their car. you can rationalize manhattan's capacity for a bus system all you want, but that doesn't mean people will use it. it would end up being a big waste.
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you know what really makes one sound like a small town hick? having no experiences with buses and not realizing that people do not ride the bus when it is easier to drive their car. you can rationalize manhattan's capacity for a bus system all you want, but that doesn't mean people will use it. it would end up being a big waste.
It would be much easier to use the bus than to drive your car to campus. Also, it's easier to take to bus from the airport than it is to rent a car.
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It's also easier to use the bus than a car when you don't own a car. JMO.
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driving to ksu and parking is incredibly easy. easier than taking a bus in almost all cases. and nearly everyone in manhattan has a car.
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and nearly everyone in manhattan has a car.
yeah, because there's no bus system.
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driving to ksu and parking is incredibly easy. easier than taking a bus in almost all cases. and nearly everyone in manhattan has a car.
It really depends on what time it is and where your class is located, I guess. :dunno:
When I was a student, if I didn't want to wait on a spot for 30-40 minutes and be 15 minutes late to class, I would almost always have to park half a mile away. I didn't even bother with a parking permit my last 2 years because the parking situation was so bad.
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and nearly everyone in manhattan has a car.
yeah, because there's no bus system.
well, they have them already and there's just now turning back now.
driving to ksu and parking is incredibly easy. easier than taking a bus in almost all cases. and nearly everyone in manhattan has a car.
It really depends on what time it is and where your class is located, I guess. :dunno:
When I was a student, if I didn't want to wait on a spot for 30-40 minutes and be 15 minutes late to class, I would almost always have to park half a mile away. I didn't even bother with a parking permit my last 2 years because the parking situation was so bad.
you can't walk a half mile? you lazy eff.
it seems like the solution you guys should be advocating is a shuttle bus from the stadium to campus during peak hours, not an all hours, city wide system. or maybe they have this already? you could get eco friendly buses, too, in order to feel good about yourselves.
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and nearly everyone in manhattan has a car.
yeah, because there's no bus system.
well, they have them already and there's just now turning back now.
driving to ksu and parking is incredibly easy. easier than taking a bus in almost all cases. and nearly everyone in manhattan has a car.
It really depends on what time it is and where your class is located, I guess. :dunno:
When I was a student, if I didn't want to wait on a spot for 30-40 minutes and be 15 minutes late to class, I would almost always have to park half a mile away. I didn't even bother with a parking permit my last 2 years because the parking situation was so bad.
you can't walk a half mile? you lazy eff.
it seems like the solution you guys should be advocating is a shuttle bus from the stadium to campus during peak hours, not an all hours, city wide system. or maybe they have this already? you could get eco friendly buses, too, in order to feel good about yourselves.
I'm not going to pay for parking and then walk a half mile. I just parked along streets near campus and walked from there. I definitely would have preferred a bus.
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half a mile? jesus christ. how far do you think you'll have to walk to get to a bus stop?
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half a mile? jesus christ. how far do you think you'll have to walk to get to a bus stop?
a quarter mile
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half a mile? jesus christ. how far do you think you'll have to walk to get to a bus stop?
a quarter mile
why don't you just have your mommy drop you off in front of the building? maybe she could carry your books for you, too.
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half a mile? jesus christ. how far do you think you'll have to walk to get to a bus stop?
a quarter mile
why don't you just have your mommy drop you off in front of the building? maybe she could carry your books for you, too.
That's a great idea!
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LOL at all the knuckle dragging elitist morons piling up on Kim Carnes because they think logistics is a synonym for complicated.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This thread is awful.
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LOL at all the knuckle dragging elitist morons piling up on Kim Carnes because they think logistics is a synonym for complicated.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This thread is awful.
knuckle dragging elitist morons
:kstategrad:
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I'm not against mass transit, but it would be pretty worthless in a city like Manhattan. The logistics are just too complicated. For instance, lets say you take a bus to Dillon's to get groceries. You buy your groceries, then what? Wait half an hour until it comes back again? Who in the eff is going to want to do that? Manhattan isn't Chicago, it can't afford to have 1000 buses whizzing by all over the place. The city is too spread out. Buses would be useful if campus was bigger, but our campus isn't that big as other posters pointed out.
Good points, Kim.
Public transit is way too complicated and it would involve bus stops. This would never work in Manhattan.
dumbass
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I'm not against mass transit, but it would be pretty worthless in a city like Manhattan. The logistics are just too complicated. For instance, lets say you take a bus to Dillon's to get groceries. You buy your groceries, then what? Wait half an hour until it comes back again? Who in the eff is going to want to do that? Manhattan isn't Chicago, it can't afford to have 1000 buses whizzing by all over the place. The city is too spread out. Buses would be useful if campus was bigger, but our campus isn't that big as other posters pointed out.
Good points, Kim.
Public transit is way too complicated and it would involve bus stops. This would never work in Manhattan.
dumbass
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driving to ksu and parking is incredibly easy. easier than taking a bus in almost all cases. and nearly everyone in manhattan has a car.
Why are you under the impression that people with cars don't ride the bus?
If I were in Manhattan I wouldn't take the bus to the grocery store, but depending on how the bus system is, I'd take it to campus, or work, or to the park. Having a car and riding the bus isn't mutually exclusive, neither are elite clubs. I'd be willing to bet that in cities with good mass transit systems up to 20% of riders have a car. When I lived in Boston I had two cars and used busses and trains. I was in Boston two weeks ago, rented a car and still took the bus to the bar. Also I don't think there are as many people in Manhattan with cars as you think.
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driving to ksu and parking is incredibly easy. easier than taking a bus in almost all cases. and nearly everyone in manhattan has a car.
Why are you under the impression that people with cars don't ride the bus?
If I were in Manhattan I wouldn't take the bus to the grocery store, but depending on how the bus system is, I'd take it to campus, or work, or to the park. Having a car and riding the bus isn't mutually exclusive, neither are elite clubs. I'd be willing to bet that in cities with good mass transit systems up to 20% of riders have a car. When I lived in Boston I had two cars and used busses and trains. I was in Boston two weeks ago, rented a car and still took the bus to the bar. Also I don't think there are as many people in Manhattan with cars as you think.
I thought it was common public transportation knowledge that people do what's easiest. In places like Boston, public transportation is often easier. In places like Manhattan, it almost never is. Why spend ten minutes walking to the bus stop, ten minutes waiting on a bus, and then ten minutes riding the bus when you can be there in five minutes by driving yourself? I've lived in two cities with both good bus systems and easy driving/parking. I've never known anyone with a car that would ever consider taking the bus (outside of extreme examples like being scared to drive on icy roads). It's just easier to drive. And we even have to pay for parking! I also lived in Manhattan my entire life through college and, in my experience, it was pretty rare to meet someone who didn't have a car.
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I thought it was common public transportation knowledge that people do what's easiest. In places like Boston, public transportation is often easier. In places like Manhattan, it almost never is. Why spend ten minutes walking to the bus stop, ten minutes waiting on a bus, and then ten minutes riding the bus when you can be there in five minutes by driving yourself? I've lived in two cities with both good bus systems and easy driving/parking. I've never known anyone with a car that would ever consider taking the bus (outside of extreme examples like being scared to drive on icy roads). It's just easier to drive. And we even have to pay for parking! I also lived in Manhattan my entire life through college and, in my experience, it was pretty rare to meet someone who didn't have a car.
Didn't hang out at Jardine or south Manhattan I take it.
I'd like to see a study, I feel like a bus system in Manhattan would be pretty damn convienent because of the large number of Manhattanites who live very close to major thoroughfares. Ft. Riley/Poyntz, Bluemont/Anderson, Kimball, Seth Childs, and Tuttle Creek with some sort of interior shuttle would cover a great deal of space and wouldn't be hard for anyone to get to. :dunno:
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chum1 is right.
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A drunk bus would be full every weekend night. :kstategrad:
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A drunk bus would be full every weekend night. :kstategrad:
yeah. and the morning route(s) to campus would prolly be reasonably used. everything else?
imeio, 20 minutes is about the cutoff point on route frequency. less than that and people don't use because they either have to memorize schedules or wait for rough ridin' ever.
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A drunk bus would be full every weekend night. :kstategrad:
yeah. and the morning route(s) to campus would prolly be reasonably used. everything else?
imeio, 20 minutes is about the cutoff point on route frequency. less than that and people don't use because they either have to memorize schedules or wait for rough ridin' ever.
Its Manhattan, 6 streets and like 10 lights. How in the hell could it take more than 20 minutes?
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A drunk bus would be full every weekend night. :kstategrad:
yeah. and the morning route(s) to campus would prolly be reasonably used. everything else?
imeio, 20 minutes is about the cutoff point on route frequency. less than that and people don't use because they either have to memorize schedules or wait for rough ridin' ever.
Its Manhattan, 6 streets and like 10 lights. How in the hell could it take more than 20 minutes?
He is talking about frequency
Also, FWIW, I think chum1 and sys are right. I still think the city and KSU should jointly fund a bus system.
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A drunk bus would be full every weekend night. :kstategrad:
yeah. and the morning route(s) to campus would prolly be reasonably used. everything else?
imeio, 20 minutes is about the cutoff point on route frequency. less than that and people don't use because they either have to memorize schedules or wait for rough ridin' ever.
Its Manhattan, 6 streets and like 10 lights. How in the hell could it take more than 20 minutes?
He is talking about frequency
Also, FWIW, I think chum1 and sys are right. I still think the city and KSU should jointly fund a bus system.
i'm with michigancat i think. personally don't give a crap whether it makes sense or will lose money or nobody will use it or whatever. just want a bus system.
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A drunk bus would be full every weekend night. :kstategrad:
yeah. and the morning route(s) to campus would prolly be reasonably used. everything else?
imeio, 20 minutes is about the cutoff point on route frequency. less than that and people don't use because they either have to memorize schedules or wait for rough ridin' ever.
Its Manhattan, 6 streets and like 10 lights. How in the hell could it take more than 20 minutes?
He is talking about frequency
Also, FWIW, I think chum1 and sys are right. I still think the city and KSU should jointly fund a bus system.
i'm with michigancat i think. personally don't give a crap whether it makes sense or will lose money or nobody will use it or whatever. just want a bus system.
I know he was talking about frequency, 2 busses per route oppo directions.
I think the city & the campus should jointly fund it. The bus system would be much more beneficial to students than townies.
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Soooo, is the bus thing going to happen?
this thing is pretty intense http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/DocumentView.aspx?DID=1988 (http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/DocumentView.aspx?DID=1988)
This is the proposed routes for a 3 bus route....
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2F2qjahhl.jpg&hash=7cb88b57c8a91b88a31edb3e1fe9f8122702b014)
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WOULD RIDE! WOULD NOT REALLY BUT KIND OF BE ELITE!
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WOULD RIDE! WOULD NOT REALLY BUT KIND OF BE ELITE!
yes!
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So with the townie election results tonight should we count on a bus system in about a year?
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So with the townie election results tonight should we count on a bus system in about a year?
Did ACORN register the poors are finish their mail in ballots for them?
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that map looks terrible.
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that map looks terrible.
no north arrow, no scale? :sdeek:
shawn h. would club someone over this thing
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So with the townie election results tonight should we count on a bus system in about a year?
Did ACORN register the poors are finish their mail in ballots for them?
Did you just do that thing where you out yourself for not knowing the difference between are and or?
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So with the townie election results tonight should we count on a bus system in about a year?
Did ACORN register the poors are finish their mail in ballots for them?
Sounds like someone is experiencing posterior discomfort