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If team Wefald/Weiser would have hired Raheem, they'd have looked like geniuses.
Ron takes a ton of crap but his actual results were 2nd go around snyder'esque. Had he been white he would be looked at much differently by our stupid fanbase.
Luke's stock is rising as Winters continues to validate his greatness. Add Luke and Winters to my list! Also, EMAWBLAST! and Tobias!
Quote from: steve dave on August 12, 2011, 09:29:41 PMRon takes a ton of crap but his actual results were 2nd go around snyder'esque. Had he been white he would be looked at much differently by our stupid fanbase.Ron competed with Bill's recruits, peaked early. Bill competed with Ron's recruits and had an average first 2 years. I look for there to be big strides in the next couple of years. If Bill can't pull us back out, then no one can.
Quote from: kim carnes on August 12, 2011, 09:18:46 PMIf team Wefald/Weiser would have hired Raheem, they'd have looked like geniuses. to be fair to Ron, Raheem was the assistant to the assistant DB coach in Tampa, a true DITR.Too bad he quickly grew to hate RP
We definitely have to hire our next coach out of the Ron Prince tree. Nobody else can win here I say we pursue Wallerstadt.
Quote from: Nuts Kicked on August 12, 2011, 10:26:56 PMWe definitely have to hire our next coach out of the Ron Prince tree. Nobody else can win here I say we pursue Wallerstadt.I say we try and pluck Freemaw from the Bucs. Would be a fantastic hire.
Nothing like an RP vs. OBz debate.
Quote from: steve dave on August 12, 2011, 09:29:41 PMRon takes a ton of crap but his actual results were 2nd go around snyder'esque. Had he been white he would be looked at much differently by our stupid fanbase.Regardless of anything concerning Snyder (he certainly was not the answer to replace Ron), almost everything Ron gets he deserves. I will even say he did a decent job his first year, but his last two years were a complete trainwreck. The fact that he had a QB who became a NFL star in his 2nd year, yet couldn't coach his team to a bowl game in his last two seasons deserves everything negative people say about him and more.
Quote from: ksu_FAN on August 12, 2011, 10:29:38 PMQuote from: steve dave on August 12, 2011, 09:29:41 PMRon takes a ton of crap but his actual results were 2nd go around snyder'esque. Had he been white he would be looked at much differently by our stupid fanbase.Regardless of anything concerning Snyder (he certainly was not the answer to replace Ron), almost everything Ron gets he deserves. I will even say he did a decent job his first year, but his last two years were a complete trainwreck. The fact that he had a QB who became a NFL star in his 2nd year, yet couldn't coach his team to a bowl game in his last two seasons deserves everything negative people say about him and more. agree. also, this year with bill, we are looking like we should be a bowl team. that wouldn't be the case w/ ron, so the whole rp v obz debate isn't really one for people being honest. i would actually be ok w/ the bill hiring if he was doing what he said he was doing which was calming the waters. coach until we can grab a great replacement like leach or rich rod and then go quietly into the wind and we could love him forever. that isn't happening though. i want it to work out so bad. i wanted prince to work out so bad too though. same things with wools and every other ksu coach ever. it's frustrating and there are a million things that bill is doing that are just so god damn frustrating. idk.
Quote from: Rick Daris on August 12, 2011, 11:31:46 PMQuote from: ksu_FAN on August 12, 2011, 10:29:38 PMQuote from: steve dave on August 12, 2011, 09:29:41 PMRon takes a ton of crap but his actual results were 2nd go around snyder'esque. Had he been white he would be looked at much differently by our stupid fanbase.Regardless of anything concerning Snyder (he certainly was not the answer to replace Ron), almost everything Ron gets he deserves. I will even say he did a decent job his first year, but his last two years were a complete trainwreck. The fact that he had a QB who became a NFL star in his 2nd year, yet couldn't coach his team to a bowl game in his last two seasons deserves everything negative people say about him and more. agree. also, this year with bill, we are looking like we should be a bowl team. that wouldn't be the case w/ ron, so the whole rp v obz debate isn't really one for people being honest. i would actually be ok w/ the bill hiring if he was doing what he said he was doing which was calming the waters. coach until we can grab a great replacement like leach or rich rod and then go quietly into the wind and we could love him forever. that isn't happening though. i want it to work out so bad. i wanted prince to work out so bad too though. same things with wools and every other ksu coach ever. it's frustrating and there are a million things that bill is doing that are just so god damn frustrating. idk. Ron Prince = Tom Asbury when it comes to how I remember him as a coach at K-State. I won't necessarily remember Snyder as well as I might have if things finish as badly as they could in his 2nd tenure, but I'll never view him like Asbury or Prince.
Quote from: Rick Daris on August 12, 2011, 11:31:46 PMQuote from: ksu_FAN on August 12, 2011, 10:29:38 PMQuote from: steve dave on August 12, 2011, 09:29:41 PMRon takes a ton of crap but his actual results were 2nd go around snyder'esque. Had he been white he would be looked at much differently by our stupid fanbase.Regardless of anything concerning Snyder (he certainly was not the answer to replace Ron), almost everything Ron gets he deserves. I will even say he did a decent job his first year, but his last two years were a complete trainwreck. The fact that he had a QB who became a NFL star in his 2nd year, yet couldn't coach his team to a bowl game in his last two seasons deserves everything negative people say about him and more. also, this year with bill, we are looking like we should be a bowl team. that wouldn't be the case w/ ron, so the whole rp v obz debate isn't really one for people being honest. i would actually be ok w/ the bill hiring if he was doing what he said he was doing which was calming the waters. coach until we can grab a great replacement like leach or rich rod and then go quietly into the wind and we could love him forever. that isn't happening though. i want it to work out so bad. i wanted prince to work out so bad too though. same things with wools and every other ksu coach ever. it's frustrating and there are a million things that bill is doing that are just so god damn frustrating. idk. Ron Prince = Tom Asbury when it comes to how I remember him as a coach at K-State. I won't necessarily remember Snyder as well as I might have if things finish as badly as they could in his 2nd tenure, but I'll never view him like Asbury or Prince.
Quote from: ksu_FAN on August 12, 2011, 10:29:38 PMQuote from: steve dave on August 12, 2011, 09:29:41 PMRon takes a ton of crap but his actual results were 2nd go around snyder'esque. Had he been white he would be looked at much differently by our stupid fanbase.Regardless of anything concerning Snyder (he certainly was not the answer to replace Ron), almost everything Ron gets he deserves. I will even say he did a decent job his first year, but his last two years were a complete trainwreck. The fact that he had a QB who became a NFL star in his 2nd year, yet couldn't coach his team to a bowl game in his last two seasons deserves everything negative people say about him and more. also, this year with bill, we are looking like we should be a bowl team. that wouldn't be the case w/ ron, so the whole rp v obz debate isn't really one for people being honest. i would actually be ok w/ the bill hiring if he was doing what he said he was doing which was calming the waters. coach until we can grab a great replacement like leach or rich rod and then go quietly into the wind and we could love him forever. that isn't happening though. i want it to work out so bad. i wanted prince to work out so bad too though. same things with wools and every other ksu coach ever. it's frustrating and there are a million things that bill is doing that are just so god damn frustrating. idk.
Quote from: Trim on August 12, 2011, 11:18:45 PMNothing like an RP vs. OBz debate.Sometimes thinking Ron Prince was mostly clueless as a football coach has nothing to do with Snyder, nor is it an endorsement for Snyder. JMHO.
Quote from: ksu_FAN on August 12, 2011, 11:26:05 PMQuote from: Trim on August 12, 2011, 11:18:45 PMNothing like an RP vs. OBz debate.Sometimes thinking Ron Prince was mostly clueless as a football coach has nothing to do with Snyder, nor is it an endorsement for Snyder. JMHO. Yeah, I agree that RP sucking and OBz being a disaster now have no relation to each other.
