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Re: Cody Green
« Reply #100 on: June 02, 2011, 01:07:56 PM »
The 1997 National Championship was split between Michigan and Nebraska after the teams went 12-0 and 13-0 respectively. I bring it up because it still irks me the way the split was handled.

The two teams were very close in terms of their schedules and their records. Homerism aside - both deserved the title and since they couldn't settle it on the field a split was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, it was portrayed by the sports media that the coaches awarded Osborne a 'gift' of a title since it was his final season.

Osborne had announced his retirement on December 10th, 1997. Coming into the final game of the season, Michigan held the number one position in both the coaches poll and the AP (writers) poll.

Michigan had moved to the number one spot on a weekend in which they thrashed number two-ranked Penn State 34-8 while Nebraska had won in overtime 45-38 over Missouri. (The Missouri game featured Matt Davison's flying touchdown catch on the final play of regulation after a Scott Frost pass was deflected up into the air by a fellow Husker receiver  - certainly a case of divine intervention yet I never see the argument that the title was a gift from God.)

As season’s end approached Nebraska beat Texas A&M 54-15 in the Big 12 Title game and in the last game of Osborne’s career destroyed number three-ranked Tennessee, 42-17, in the Orange Bowl.

Michigan ended their season hanging on to beat a Washington State squad in the Rose Bowl, 21-16. Washington State got the ball back at their own seven yard line with 29 seconds left. They drove to the nine yard line with two seconds left when officials ruled that time had run off the clock, thus ending the game. Had Michigan beaten the Cougars more soundly things might have been different. 

So what irks me so much about it?* The argument can be taken both ways.
If the '97 National Title was a gift to Osborne from the coaches, couldn’t one take the position that Michigan's title was given to them by the sports media since they hadn't won a title since 1948? Nebraska won titles in 1994, 1995 and was on a 60-3 run over five years - no doubt the writers were getting fed up with Nebraska's dominance and desired some new story lines (as well as an excuse to sell loads of National Championship paraphernalia to starving Michigan fans).

Perhaps the writers had revenge in mind Nebraska - payback for the ‘94 season title when they were voted number one in both polls while Penn State had also gone undefeated - something that Penn State fans haven’t forgotten after all these years.

The ‘97 National Title to Osborne as a gift from his fellow coaches? No. He got it the old-fashioned way. He earned it.

--JJ--


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Re: Cody Green
« Reply #101 on: June 02, 2011, 01:10:12 PM »
Tough call.  I say the Cats won it.

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« Reply #102 on: June 02, 2011, 01:10:19 PM »
Is delusional your middle name?
Well I guess you don't understand when the bowl games come around that 95% of the coaches are at home on the couch watching the games do ya? The sports writers also had AU ranked 22nd at the beginning of 2010 so what do they know?

I have the game and post game on tape and have watched it several times. No where does Tom lobby for the trophy. If you'd like I can quote him for you.

I guess Grant Wistrom, Eric Warfield, Aaron Taylor, Scott Frost, Eric Anderson, Ralph and Mike Brown to name a few don't ring any bells? I can name drop all day too.  

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Re: Cody Green
« Reply #103 on: June 02, 2011, 01:10:34 PM »
I wonder if MichiganIsGood is Wolverine Willie of Between the Lines call-in fame?

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« Reply #104 on: June 02, 2011, 01:21:42 PM »
Close call here, if only they had played the same teams.

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« Reply #105 on: June 02, 2011, 01:24:46 PM »
Close call here, if only they had played the same teams.
Or each OTHER!
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Re: Cody Green
« Reply #106 on: June 02, 2011, 01:38:36 PM »
Tough call.  I say the Cats won it.


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Re: Cody Green
« Reply #107 on: June 02, 2011, 01:39:46 PM »
Wait, when did Nebraska beat Texas?

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« Reply #108 on: June 02, 2011, 04:30:22 PM »
Wait, when did Nebraska beat Texas?

Never, in anything.

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« Reply #109 on: June 02, 2011, 04:36:59 PM »
What you get out of Corn fans is typical of fanbases in states where there is no other game around and the press itself is nothing but a bunch of pom pom wavers and butt sucks.




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« Reply #110 on: June 02, 2011, 04:38:16 PM »
Wait, when did Nebraska beat Texas?

Never, in anything.

What's truly sad is that Nebraska actually beat them a couple of times in basketball, but almost none of their fans even know.

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« Reply #111 on: June 02, 2011, 04:49:36 PM »
The 1997 National Championship was split between Michigan and Nebraska after the teams went 12-0 and 13-0 respectively. I bring it up because it still irks me the way the split was handled.

The two teams were very close in terms of their schedules and their records. Homerism aside - both deserved the title and since they couldn't settle it on the field a split was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, it was portrayed by the sports media that the coaches awarded Osborne a 'gift' of a title since it was his final season.

Osborne had announced his retirement on December 10th, 1997. Coming into the final game of the season, Michigan held the number one position in both the coaches poll and the AP (writers) poll.

Michigan had moved to the number one spot on a weekend in which they thrashed number two-ranked Penn State 34-8 while Nebraska had won in overtime 45-38 over Missouri. (The Missouri game featured Matt Davison's flying touchdown catch on the final play of regulation after a Scott Frost pass was deflected up into the air by a fellow Husker receiver  - certainly a case of divine intervention yet I never see the argument that the title was a gift from God.)

As season’s end approached Nebraska beat Texas A&M 54-15 in the Big 12 Title game and in the last game of Osborne’s career destroyed number three-ranked Tennessee, 42-17, in the Orange Bowl.

Michigan ended their season hanging on to beat a Washington State squad in the Rose Bowl, 21-16. Washington State got the ball back at their own seven yard line with 29 seconds left. They drove to the nine yard line with two seconds left when officials ruled that time had run off the clock, thus ending the game. Had Michigan beaten the Cougars more soundly things might have been different. 

So what irks me so much about it?* The argument can be taken both ways.
If the '97 National Title was a gift to Osborne from the coaches, couldn’t one take the position that Michigan's title was given to them by the sports media since they hadn't won a title since 1948? Nebraska won titles in 1994, 1995 and was on a 60-3 run over five years - no doubt the writers were getting fed up with Nebraska's dominance and desired some new story lines (as well as an excuse to sell loads of National Championship paraphernalia to starving Michigan fans).

Perhaps the writers had revenge in mind Nebraska - payback for the ‘94 season title when they were voted number one in both polls while Penn State had also gone undefeated - something that Penn State fans haven’t forgotten after all these years.

The ‘97 National Title to Osborne as a gift from his fellow coaches? No. He got it the old-fashioned way. He earned it.

--JJ--




Did you just post the blog post from another butt hurt delusional Nebraska fan as proof  or evidence ??  :lol: :lol:

stop it, you're killing me..  :lol: :lol:



No, but seriously, stop it.

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Re: Cody Green
« Reply #112 on: June 02, 2011, 05:47:03 PM »
It's pretty obvious that goEMAW.com has arrived when fans of different teams come here to argue against each other.

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« Reply #113 on: June 02, 2011, 06:57:23 PM »
The 1997 National Championship was split between Michigan and Nebraska after the teams went 12-0 and 13-0 respectively. I bring it up because it still irks me the way the split was handled.

The two teams were very close in terms of their schedules and their records. Homerism aside - both deserved the title and since they couldn't settle it on the field a split was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, it was portrayed by the sports media that the coaches awarded Osborne a 'gift' of a title since it was his final season.

Osborne had announced his retirement on December 10th, 1997. Coming into the final game of the season, Michigan held the number one position in both the coaches poll and the AP (writers) poll.

Michigan had moved to the number one spot on a weekend in which they thrashed number two-ranked Penn State 34-8 while Nebraska had won in overtime 45-38 over Missouri. (The Missouri game featured Matt Davison's flying touchdown catch on the final play of regulation after a Scott Frost pass was deflected up into the air by a fellow Husker receiver  - certainly a case of divine intervention yet I never see the argument that the title was a gift from God.)

As season’s end approached Nebraska beat Texas A&M 54-15 in the Big 12 Title game and in the last game of Osborne’s career destroyed number three-ranked Tennessee, 42-17, in the Orange Bowl.

Michigan ended their season hanging on to beat a Washington State squad in the Rose Bowl, 21-16. Washington State got the ball back at their own seven yard line with 29 seconds left. They drove to the nine yard line with two seconds left when officials ruled that time had run off the clock, thus ending the game. Had Michigan beaten the Cougars more soundly things might have been different. 

So what irks me so much about it?* The argument can be taken both ways.
If the '97 National Title was a gift to Osborne from the coaches, couldn’t one take the position that Michigan's title was given to them by the sports media since they hadn't won a title since 1948? Nebraska won titles in 1994, 1995 and was on a 60-3 run over five years - no doubt the writers were getting fed up with Nebraska's dominance and desired some new story lines (as well as an excuse to sell loads of National Championship paraphernalia to starving Michigan fans).

Perhaps the writers had revenge in mind Nebraska - payback for the ‘94 season title when they were voted number one in both polls while Penn State had also gone undefeated - something that Penn State fans haven’t forgotten after all these years.

The ‘97 National Title to Osborne as a gift from his fellow coaches? No. He got it the old-fashioned way. He earned it.

--JJ--




Did you just post the blog post from another butt hurt delusional Nebraska fan as proof  or evidence ??  :lol: :lol:

stop it, you're killing me..  :lol: :lol:



No, but seriously, stop it.

Well you'll have to excuse me for not being a professional writer. I thought this read summed up my thoughts pretty well. He puts it together better than I could.

If you're looking for buddies here to back you up they will. Just out of their sheer hatred of all things NU and their envy.


 Here is another article from scripps howard. That will point out how absurd your thought process is. By the way IF your MU defense was so great STATISTICALLY ( Best ever :lol:) why don't they show up on so many polls and articles. Show some proof of this fantaticness or STFU.

With one more win, Nebraska deserves national title

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MIAMI (Jan 2, 1998 - 05:12 EST) -- If Nebraska beats Tennessee in the Orange Bowl by the margin the odds makers say it should, then the Cornhuskers should win the national championship. They wont, but they should.

Too many voters are too reluctant to drop a winning team. And that's unfortunate for Nebraska.

In voting unbeaten Michigan over unbeaten Nebraska for the last third of the season, I based that first-place vote, in part, on Michigan's tougher schedule. The bowl games have changed my perspective.

The Big Ten was overrated. That became more evident with every bowl game: Michigan State lost to Washington 51-23. Iowa lost to Arizona State 17-7. Wisconsin lost to Georgia 33-6. Penn State lost to Florida 21-6. Ohio State lost to Florida State 31-14. Purdue, which Michigan didn't play, was the only other Big Ten winner (33-20 over Oklahoma State in the Alamo Bowl).

Michigan's opponents, five Big Ten teams and Notre Dame, went 0-6 in the bowls.

Nebraska's opponents went 2-2 in the bowls. Washington and Kansas State won; Missouri and Texas A&M lost.

Here's what I jotted down on a notepad after Michigan's 21-16 Rose Bowl victory over Washington State: Records: If Nebraska beats UT in the Orange Bowl, it will be 13-0. Michigan is 12-0.

Opponents: If Nebraska beats UT, its opponents record will be 76-74; Michigan's opponents are 74-67.

Dominance: Nebraska outscored its opponents by 30.7 points per game; Michigan outscored its opponents by 17 points per game.

More dominance: Nebraska outscored its opponents with winning records by 23.6. Michigan outscored its opponents with winning records by 10.8 points.

It's too easy to say Michigan was No. 1 and won its game, so it should stay No. 1. That's not the way the system is supposed to work. Our archaic method of choosing a college football champion is based on style points. Nebraska lost style points because it beat Missouri in overtime and beat Colorado by three after leading by 17 late in the game.

However, against good teams, Nebraska, not Michigan, has been more stylish. The Cornhuskers beat 11-1 Kansas State by 30 points. They beat Washington by 13. They beat Texas A&M by 39 points just three weeks ago.

In Thursday's Cotton Bowl, those same Aggies almost upset a UCLA team that had won nine consecutive games. Don't forget that Michigan only beat Notre Dame by seven points, Iowa by four and Wisconsin by 10. Its most-convincing victory was against Penn State, which for much of the year was the most-overrated team in the country.

Michigan deserves tremendous credit for an unbeaten season. But if Nebraska plays well in beating Tennessee, it deserves the national championship.

By JOHN ADAMS, Scripps Howard News Service

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 Yeah, I agree there was a sympathy vote in the 1997 National Championship.  Michigan had not won a NC since 1948 and a Big 10 team had not won one since 1968, so yes I think there was a sympathy vote for Michigan.   Not for the coach who had just won 2 National Championships in the last 3 years, or a football program who had won 4 since the last time Michigan or a Big 10 team had won any. (AP & Coaches Polls).  There was also another article that showed Michigan getting much more support in the AP poll from writers Big 10 areas than the rest of the country.







Michigan opponents ranked in final polls - 3 - at #s 9,12,16 (AP)                                                                                   
Nebraska opponents ranked in final polls - 5 - at #s 7, 8, 18, 20, 23 (AP)


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Re: Cody Green
« Reply #114 on: June 02, 2011, 07:06:47 PM »
Scott Frost cried on national tv.  :shakesfist:

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« Reply #115 on: June 02, 2011, 07:08:48 PM »
HuskerPride, ScrippsHoward sounds like some sort of old-timey sewing machine.  Is there an AP source you could provide?

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« Reply #116 on: June 02, 2011, 08:57:22 PM »
The 1997 National Championship was split between Michigan and Nebraska after the teams went 12-0 and 13-0 respectively. I bring it up because it still irks me the way the split was handled.

The two teams were very close in terms of their schedules and their records. Homerism aside - both deserved the title and since they couldn't settle it on the field a split was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, it was portrayed by the sports media that the coaches awarded Osborne a 'gift' of a title since it was his final season.

Osborne had announced his retirement on December 10th, 1997. Coming into the final game of the season, Michigan held the number one position in both the coaches poll and the AP (writers) poll.

Michigan had moved to the number one spot on a weekend in which they thrashed number two-ranked Penn State 34-8 while Nebraska had won in overtime 45-38 over Missouri. (The Missouri game featured Matt Davison's flying touchdown catch on the final play of regulation after a Scott Frost pass was deflected up into the air by a fellow Husker receiver  - certainly a case of divine intervention yet I never see the argument that the title was a gift from God.)

As season’s end approached Nebraska beat Texas A&M 54-15 in the Big 12 Title game and in the last game of Osborne’s career destroyed number three-ranked Tennessee, 42-17, in the Orange Bowl.

Michigan ended their season hanging on to beat a Washington State squad in the Rose Bowl, 21-16. Washington State got the ball back at their own seven yard line with 29 seconds left. They drove to the nine yard line with two seconds left when officials ruled that time had run off the clock, thus ending the game. Had Michigan beaten the Cougars more soundly things might have been different. 

So what irks me so much about it?* The argument can be taken both ways.
If the '97 National Title was a gift to Osborne from the coaches, couldn’t one take the position that Michigan's title was given to them by the sports media since they hadn't won a title since 1948? Nebraska won titles in 1994, 1995 and was on a 60-3 run over five years - no doubt the writers were getting fed up with Nebraska's dominance and desired some new story lines (as well as an excuse to sell loads of National Championship paraphernalia to starving Michigan fans).

Perhaps the writers had revenge in mind Nebraska - payback for the ‘94 season title when they were voted number one in both polls while Penn State had also gone undefeated - something that Penn State fans haven’t forgotten after all these years.

The ‘97 National Title to Osborne as a gift from his fellow coaches? No. He got it the old-fashioned way. He earned it.

--JJ--




Did you just post the blog post from another butt hurt delusional Nebraska fan as proof  or evidence ??  :lol: :lol:

stop it, you're killing me..  :lol: :lol:



No, but seriously, stop it.

Well you'll have to excuse me for not being a professional writer. I thought this read summed up my thoughts pretty well. He puts it together better than I could.

If you're looking for buddies here to back you up they will. Just out of their sheer hatred of all things NU and their envy.


 Here is another article from scripps howard. That will point out how absurd your thought process is. By the way IF your MU defense was so great STATISTICALLY ( Best ever :lol:) why don't they show up on so many polls and articles. Show some proof of this fantaticness or STFU.

With one more win, Nebraska deserves national title

(c) 1998 Copyright Nando.net

1998 Scripps Howard

MIAMI (Jan 2, 1998 - 05:12 EST) -- If Nebraska beats Tennessee in the Orange Bowl by the margin the odds makers say it should, then the Cornhuskers should win the national championship. They wont, but they should.

Too many voters are too reluctant to drop a winning team. And that's unfortunate for Nebraska.

In voting unbeaten Michigan over unbeaten Nebraska for the last third of the season, I based that first-place vote, in part, on Michigan's tougher schedule. The bowl games have changed my perspective.

The Big Ten was overrated. That became more evident with every bowl game: Michigan State lost to Washington 51-23. Iowa lost to Arizona State 17-7. Wisconsin lost to Georgia 33-6. Penn State lost to Florida 21-6. Ohio State lost to Florida State 31-14. Purdue, which Michigan didn't play, was the only other Big Ten winner (33-20 over Oklahoma State in the Alamo Bowl).

Michigan's opponents, five Big Ten teams and Notre Dame, went 0-6 in the bowls.

Nebraska's opponents went 2-2 in the bowls. Washington and Kansas State won; Missouri and Texas A&M lost.

Here's what I jotted down on a notepad after Michigan's 21-16 Rose Bowl victory over Washington State: Records: If Nebraska beats UT in the Orange Bowl, it will be 13-0. Michigan is 12-0.

Opponents: If Nebraska beats UT, its opponents record will be 76-74; Michigan's opponents are 74-67.

Dominance: Nebraska outscored its opponents by 30.7 points per game; Michigan outscored its opponents by 17 points per game.

More dominance: Nebraska outscored its opponents with winning records by 23.6. Michigan outscored its opponents with winning records by 10.8 points.

It's too easy to say Michigan was No. 1 and won its game, so it should stay No. 1. That's not the way the system is supposed to work. Our archaic method of choosing a college football champion is based on style points. Nebraska lost style points because it beat Missouri in overtime and beat Colorado by three after leading by 17 late in the game.

However, against good teams, Nebraska, not Michigan, has been more stylish. The Cornhuskers beat 11-1 Kansas State by 30 points. They beat Washington by 13. They beat Texas A&M by 39 points just three weeks ago.

In Thursday's Cotton Bowl, those same Aggies almost upset a UCLA team that had won nine consecutive games. Don't forget that Michigan only beat Notre Dame by seven points, Iowa by four and Wisconsin by 10. Its most-convincing victory was against Penn State, which for much of the year was the most-overrated team in the country.

Michigan deserves tremendous credit for an unbeaten season. But if Nebraska plays well in beating Tennessee, it deserves the national championship.

By JOHN ADAMS, Scripps Howard News Service

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Michigan  average score - 26.8 -  9.5                                                                                                                            Nebraska average score - 46.7 - 16.5
 Yeah, I agree there was a sympathy vote in the 1997 National Championship.  Michigan had not won a NC since 1948 and a Big 10 team had not won one since 1968, so yes I think there was a sympathy vote for Michigan.   Not for the coach who had just won 2 National Championships in the last 3 years, or a football program who had won 4 since the last time Michigan or a Big 10 team had won any. (AP & Coaches Polls).  There was also another article that showed Michigan getting much more support in the AP poll from writers Big 10 areas than the rest of the country.







Michigan opponents ranked in final polls - 3 - at #s 9,12,16 (AP)                                                                                   
Nebraska opponents ranked in final polls - 5 - at #s 7, 8, 18, 20, 23 (AP)



Yeah, dude linking more butthurt Nebraska fans is not going to win you any arguments or the opinions of a couple sports writers who were clearly in the minority, the majority of voters voted for us, and we compare favorably in all comparable measures..  The only thing Nebraska has in it's favor is the opinion of a couple rogue of sports writers, and a few coaches who wanted to send Dr. Tom off with a feather in his cap..

Also, we beat 8 top 40 teams while you beat only the 5 that finished in the top 25, which is why we had a considerably higher overall SOS.. So yeah, you even lose that lose that argument, tough break, bro.. We also won the FWAA poll, AP poll, and NFF poll.. Meaning we won 3 of the 4 recognized polls of that era, and the only poll you won (the coaches poll) was by 2 votes.. It's really not even close..

Also, I never said they were the Best D of all time, I said statistically they are among some of the best of all time.. I still see it on random graphics during T.V. broadcasts when they show the top rushing D's or what have you, but a cursory search couldn't turn up any all time NCAA lists for team stats, maybe you'll have better luck..

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« Reply #117 on: June 02, 2011, 10:05:37 PM »
This UM/UNL pillow fight got boring quite a while back.  :yawn:

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« Reply #118 on: June 02, 2011, 10:29:57 PM »
Lots of TLDNR posts in this thread. Let's move towards quick one liners like "pocket turds" n such. I like those the best.
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« Reply #119 on: June 02, 2011, 10:32:22 PM »
Lots of TLDNR posts in this thread. Let's move towards quick one liners like "pocket turds" n such. I like those the best.

Sorry guys, I got us a little off track there.. Commence with the pocket turds, just as long as we can all agree that we don't recognize Tom's going away present 1/4 of a title..

I'm in total agreement..

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« Reply #120 on: June 02, 2011, 10:36:39 PM »
Lots of TLDNR posts in this thread. Let's move towards quick one liners like "pocket turds" n such. I like those the best.

Sorry guys, I got us a little off track there.. Commence with the pocket turds, just as long as we can all agree that we don't recognize Tom's going away present 1/4 of a title..

I'm in total agreement..
Got me sold.
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« Reply #121 on: June 02, 2011, 11:24:14 PM »
I'm all for that.  Michigan is cool is my book.  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #122 on: June 03, 2011, 07:39:57 AM »
Lots of TLDNR posts in this thread. Let's move towards quick one liners like "pocket turds" n such. I like those the best.

Sorry guys, I got us a little off track there.. Commence with the pocket turds, just as long as we can all agree that we don't recognize Tom's going away present 1/4 of a title..

I'm in total agreement..
Well now you've got JT agreeing with you so that automatically brings any credence you had to a screeching halt.

Theres that turd again. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree but thanks for backing up your argument with solid facts like links and such you truly do belong in the KSU fold :thumbsup:.

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« Reply #123 on: June 03, 2011, 07:43:28 AM »
I agree.  If a turd makes an appearance it's probably best to cut (!) your bbsing experience off at that point.

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Re: Cody Green
« Reply #124 on: June 03, 2011, 08:17:06 AM »
HP, why don't common opponents matter?