Coaching Carousel Master Thread (MAYBE FEATURING THE KSU CATS?)

[LickNeckey]

what a ride for pig aggie

[CNS]

That crowd is used to some balltazing. Crosspost.

[cfbandyman]

Cal's too busy walking dogs to be bothered

[pissclams]

who does arkansas really think they are, anyway?  let them rehire mike anderson and return to the decade of dozing. 

[WillieWatanabe]

Oats turned them down. Drew may have a tough decision to make.

[pissclams]

drew won’t leave baylor anymore than self would leave kansas, and we know that isn’t happening.

arkansas is in a tough position and will probably need to adjust their expectations accordingly

[wetwillie]

I think he will ultimately end up at Ark

[Pete]

Calipari to Arkansas is being reported as a done deal by everyone.

CBS and others allege that Drew is on the short list for Kentucky. If he went, I wonder if Tang would want the Baylor job. My guess is that he would and that the interest would be mutual.

I kinda agree with clams that Drew is probably very happy at Baylor, having built them from nothing. BUT, what I fear is a situation where Drew agrees to leave it in the capable hands of his long time co-builder and friend Jerome Tang.

[michigancat]

They might be interested in the Tech coach too

Among others

[WildcatNkilt]

Seems weird to build up a program to be a perennial top 20 team, win a Natty, and bail for another program.  How often does that happen?  I don't think very often which is why I don't see Drew leaving Baylor.  Seems like he has a good thing going and he can be there as long as he wants with limited pressure from fans/AD/UP.

[michigancat]

Seems weird to build up a program to be a perennial top 20 team, win a Natty, and bail for another program.  How often does that happen?  I don't think very often which is why I don't see Drew leaving Baylor.  Seems like he has a good thing going and he can be there as long as he wants with limited pressure from fans/AD/UP.

This is true but Baylor is arguably the "lowest profile" school to win a championship in recent memory. Villanova is probably the closest comparison?

[wetwillie]

Who is the early 2000's Bill Self of our current landscape?  He whipped ass for 3 years at ORU then whipped ass for 3 more years at Illinois. Has to be a mid 40's super star or two out there.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

Who is the early 2000's Bill Self of our current landscape?  He whipped ass for 3 years at ORU then whipped ass for 3 more years at Illinois. Has to be a mid 40's super star or two out there.

are you trying to get someone to say Brad Underwood so you don't have to?

[Stupid Fitz]

Who is the early 2000's Bill Self of our current landscape?  He whipped ass for 3 years at ORU then whipped ass for 3 more years at Illinois. Has to be a mid 40's super star or two out there.

A lot of them flamed out when they got bigger jobs. Shaka at TX, like the last 3 guys that went to Indiana, etc. Maybe the guy that just went to Michigan if he can have some success there?

[cfbandyman]

Seems weird to build up a program to be a perennial top 20 team, win a Natty, and bail for another program.  How often does that happen?  I don't think very often which is why I don't see Drew leaving Baylor.  Seems like he has a good thing going and he can be there as long as he wants with limited pressure from fans/AD/UP.

Yeah, I get $$$ but the dude has enough of that and probably enjoys his position where he's at. Kentucky would have just insane expectations and that seems like a lot of stress that late in your career.

[wetwillie]

Otz isn't on the self trajectory but he might be the closest thing to it at the moment besides Oats who is apparently happy to stay at Bama.

[cfbandyman]

Otz isn't on the self trajectory but he might be the closest thing to it at the moment besides Oats who is apparently happy to stay at Bama.

I think this also speaks to the new NIL landscape. If you got a good thing going why bail for place that is going to have an insufferable fanbase. You have to not only have the trajectory but the ego to take over a place like that. Obviously Kentucky is a helluva job. But I feel like you got to have the right personality to want it too. Oats and Otz can be worshipped by their respective fanbases for what they are doing, and get a raise out of it too.

[WildcatNkilt]

Seems weird to build up a program to be a perennial top 20 team, win a Natty, and bail for another program.  How often does that happen?  I don't think very often which is why I don't see Drew leaving Baylor.  Seems like he has a good thing going and he can be there as long as he wants with limited pressure from fans/AD/UP.

This is true but Baylor is arguably the "lowest profile" school to win a championship in recent memory. Villanova is probably the closest comparison?

Not sure school's profile matters anymore if you have NIL support + fan/AD/UP support.  I think this is why we have seen some hall of fame coaches retire in the last couple years.  I don't think Kentucky/KU/UCLA/Duke/Michigan State/North Carolina names will continue to hold the weight they used to.  The "name" is no longer needed to bring in great players and contend for titles.  The last two years represent the new NIL landscape, and I don't think many of us would have predicted not a single Blue Blood (UCONN is now BB though) making the FF. 

2024 FF Teams:   
Bama, Purdue, NC State, and UCONN

2023 FF Teams:
SDST, Miami, FIU, and UCONN

[michigancat]

Seems weird to build up a program to be a perennial top 20 team, win a Natty, and bail for another program.  How often does that happen?  I don't think very often which is why I don't see Drew leaving Baylor.  Seems like he has a good thing going and he can be there as long as he wants with limited pressure from fans/AD/UP.

This is true but Baylor is arguably the "lowest profile" school to win a championship in recent memory. Villanova is probably the closest comparison?

Not sure school's profile matters anymore if you have NIL support + fan/AD/UP support.  I think this is why we have seen some hall of fame coaches retire in the last couple years.  I don't think Kentucky/KU/UCLA/Duke/Michigan State/North Carolina names will continue to hold the weight they used to.  The "name" is no longer needed to bring in great players and contend for titles.  The last two years represent the new NIL landscape, and I don't think many of us would have predicted not a single Blue Blood (UCONN is now BB though) making the FF. 

2024 FF Teams:   
Bama, Purdue, NC State, and UCONN

2023 FF Teams:
SDST, Miami, FIU, and UCONN

I think long term, NIL support will be more closely related to profile. Higher profile/blue bloods will win in the NIL/Portal era.

[deputy dawg]

Seems weird to build up a program to be a perennial top 20 team, win a Natty, and bail for another program.  How often does that happen?  I don't think very often which is why I don't see Drew leaving Baylor.  Seems like he has a good thing going and he can be there as long as he wants with limited pressure from fans/AD/UP.

This is true but Baylor is arguably the "lowest profile" school to win a championship in recent memory. Villanova is probably the closest comparison?

Not sure school's profile matters anymore if you have NIL support + fan/AD/UP support.  I think this is why we have seen some hall of fame coaches retire in the last couple years.  I don't think Kentucky/KU/UCLA/Duke/Michigan State/North Carolina names will continue to hold the weight they used to.  The "name" is no longer needed to bring in great players and contend for titles.  The last two years represent the new NIL landscape, and I don't think many of us would have predicted not a single Blue Blood (UCONN is now BB though) making the FF. 

2024 FF Teams:   
Bama, Purdue, NC State, and UCONN

2023 FF Teams:
SDST, Miami, FIU, and UCONN

I think long term, NIL support will be more closely related to profile. Higher profile/blue bloods will win in the NIL/Portal era.

NIL money will be king, program pedigree will be down the list of priorities for top recruits.  What WILL be a deciding factor is the number of players the program lands in the NBA.  McDonalds All-Americans don't go to Lawrentucky because of it's atmosphere or tradition, they go to KU because KU has had a lot of players make it to the NBA.  If the number of players KU puts in the NBA declines, so will recruiting. 

[michigancat]

Seems weird to build up a program to be a perennial top 20 team, win a Natty, and bail for another program.  How often does that happen?  I don't think very often which is why I don't see Drew leaving Baylor.  Seems like he has a good thing going and he can be there as long as he wants with limited pressure from fans/AD/UP.

This is true but Baylor is arguably the "lowest profile" school to win a championship in recent memory. Villanova is probably the closest comparison?

Not sure school's profile matters anymore if you have NIL support + fan/AD/UP support.  I think this is why we have seen some hall of fame coaches retire in the last couple years.  I don't think Kentucky/KU/UCLA/Duke/Michigan State/North Carolina names will continue to hold the weight they used to.  The "name" is no longer needed to bring in great players and contend for titles.  The last two years represent the new NIL landscape, and I don't think many of us would have predicted not a single Blue Blood (UCONN is now BB though) making the FF. 

2024 FF Teams:   
Bama, Purdue, NC State, and UCONN

2023 FF Teams:
SDST, Miami, FIU, and UCONN

I think long term, NIL support will be more closely related to profile. Higher profile/blue bloods will win in the NIL/Portal era.

NIL money will be king, program pedigree will be down the list of priorities for top recruits.  What WILL be a deciding factor is the number of players the program that land in the NBA.  McDonalds All-Americans don't go to Lawrentucky because of it's atmosphere or tradition, they go to KU because KU have a lot of players that make it to the NBA.  When the number of players KU puts in the NBA declines, so will recruiting.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying, I just expect that in the long term NIL money and program pedigree will be more closely related than they might be now.

[star seed 7]

I think it will be less. It always has been and always will be coaches first. I think "pedigree" will fall and size of alumni base will rise. I don't want to pick on ku specifically (and K-State is in the same spot without the benefit of "pedigree") but I have no idea how they expect to keep up nil money with schools that have 2-3 times the enrollment and alumni. Maybe they can get by focusing on basketball while those big schools focus on football, but the numbers just don't work out for them. Kentucky and Duke may hold on because they have a national following.

[star seed 7]

Like, we've seen this model in the MLB, sure a small market team can win sometimes but that's the exception.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Seems weird to build up a program to be a perennial top 20 team, win a Natty, and bail for another program.  How often does that happen?  I don't think very often which is why I don't see Drew leaving Baylor.  Seems like he has a good thing going and he can be there as long as he wants with limited pressure from fans/AD/UP.

This is true but Baylor is arguably the "lowest profile" school to win a championship in recent memory. Villanova is probably the closest comparison?

Not sure school's profile matters anymore if you have NIL support + fan/AD/UP support.  I think this is why we have seen some hall of fame coaches retire in the last couple years.  I don't think Kentucky/KU/UCLA/Duke/Michigan State/North Carolina names will continue to hold the weight they used to.  The "name" is no longer needed to bring in great players and contend for titles.  The last two years represent the new NIL landscape, and I don't think many of us would have predicted not a single Blue Blood (UCONN is now BB though) making the FF. 

2024 FF Teams:   
Bama, Purdue, NC State, and UCONN

2023 FF Teams:
SDST, Miami, FIU, and UCONN

I think long term, NIL support will be more closely related to profile. Higher profile/blue bloods will win in the NIL/Portal era.

NIL money will be king, program pedigree will be down the list of priorities for top recruits.  What WILL be a deciding factor is the number of players the program that land in the NBA.  McDonalds All-Americans don't go to Lawrentucky because of it's atmosphere or tradition, they go to KU because KU have a lot of players that make it to the NBA.  When the number of players KU puts in the NBA declines, so will recruiting.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying, I just expect that in the long term NIL money and program pedigree will be more closely related than they might be now.

I think the big money doners that were paying the under the counter money to players probably have a little sticker shock, now that NIL is increasing exponentially, compared to what they used to pay for players

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Seems weird to build up a program to be a perennial top 20 team, win a Natty, and bail for another program.  How often does that happen?  I don't think very often which is why I don't see Drew leaving Baylor.  Seems like he has a good thing going and he can be there as long as he wants with limited pressure from fans/AD/UP.

This is true but Baylor is arguably the "lowest profile" school to win a championship in recent memory. Villanova is probably the closest comparison?

Not sure school's profile matters anymore if you have NIL support + fan/AD/UP support.  I think this is why we have seen some hall of fame coaches retire in the last couple years.  I don't think Kentucky/KU/UCLA/Duke/Michigan State/North Carolina names will continue to hold the weight they used to.  The "name" is no longer needed to bring in great players and contend for titles.  The last two years represent the new NIL landscape, and I don't think many of us would have predicted not a single Blue Blood (UCONN is now BB though) making the FF. 

2024 FF Teams:   
Bama, Purdue, NC State, and UCONN

2023 FF Teams:
SDST, Miami, FIU, and UCONN

I think long term, NIL support will be more closely related to profile. Higher profile/blue bloods will win in the NIL/Portal era.

NIL money will be king, program pedigree will be down the list of priorities for top recruits.  What WILL be a deciding factor is the number of players the program lands in the NBA.  McDonalds All-Americans don't go to Lawrentucky because of it's atmosphere or tradition, they go to KU because KU has had a lot of players make it to the NBA.  If the number of players KU puts in the NBA declines, so will recruiting.

I was interested to note that Hurley wasted zero time mentioning his ability to get guys to the NBA during on court interview immediately following the game last night.