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Title: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 09:47:21 AM
You never know if this may come in handy.

Arkansas - Mike Anderson
Tennessee - Cuonzo Martin
Georgia Tech - Brian Gregory
Texas Tech - Billy Gillespie
Oklahoma - Lon Kruger
Missouri - Frank Haith (What?)
NC State - Mark Gottfried (I have no idea what's going on here)
UNLV - David Rice
MIAMI!!!1!!! -  Jim Larranaga
Maryland - Mark Turgeon
Texas A&M - ??????

Any other big jobs I'm missing right now?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 28, 2011, 09:50:12 AM
ou
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2011, 09:50:20 AM
You never know if this may come in handy.

Arkansas - Mike Anderson
Tennessee - Cuanzo Martin
Georgia Tech - Brian Gregory
Missouri - ??????
NC State - ??????

Any other big jobs I'm missing right now?

Are we only going to be monitoring/mocking openings, or can we discuss hot seats/coaches possibly leaving?

Other opening = OU

Purdue could be a decent draw if Painter does leave(no way he does leave for MU)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 09:52:17 AM
ou

 :facepalm:

Thank you, sd.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: jtksu on March 28, 2011, 09:55:03 AM
We should ask okcat was his super insidery sources have to say about the OU opening.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Bill Clarahan on March 28, 2011, 10:13:25 AM
You left out Wichita State :ck: :lol:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 10:15:54 AM
You left out Wichita State :ck: :lol:

We're only going to discuss BCS openings unless relevant assistants are considered for mid-major jobs.

 :users:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2011, 10:16:13 AM
Cuonzo
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 28, 2011, 10:33:21 AM
is gregory done already?  thought it was still pending.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2011, 10:34:23 AM
is gregory done already?  thought it was still pending.

dayton announced it on twitter
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 10:34:35 AM
is gregory done already?  thought it was still pending.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/03/georgia-tech-hires-dayton-brian-gregory/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/03/georgia-tech-hires-dayton-brian-gregory/1)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: doom on March 28, 2011, 10:36:10 AM
Ttech and clyde.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2011, 10:45:52 AM
Quote
slmandel Stewart Mandel
There's desperate, and then there's this. RT @SI_24Seven: Ga. Tech selects Dayton's Gregory as new coach http://bit.ly/fyYNKb
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 10:48:37 AM
Quote
slmandel Stewart Mandel
There's desperate, and then there's this. RT @SI_24Seven: Ga. Tech selects Dayton's Gregory as new coach http://bit.ly/fyYNKb

I know.  It's kind of a weird hire.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2011, 10:50:58 AM
Tech didn't even let him hit the ground.  They dove to catch him after Dayton dropped him.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 10:56:44 AM
Tech didn't even let him hit the ground.  They dove to catch him after Dayton dropped him.

Quote
The empty seats hurt Hewitt's hopes of remaining on the job, even though the school owes him a $7.2 million buyout over the next five years as part of a lucrative contract he signed after the Final Four season.

Could be a 'bargain' coach.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2011, 12:04:24 PM
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Fred Hoiberg named Basketball Times' Rookie Coach of the Year. http://fb.me/IwAusnin

Hoiberg bringing in hardware.

Should jump to a better gig before crap hits the fan.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 28, 2011, 12:05:31 PM
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Fred Hoiberg named Basketball Times' Rookie Coach of the Year. http://fb.me/IwAusnin

Hoiberg bringing in hardware.

Should jump to a better gig before crap hits the fan.

Wow. Nice to see what last place gets you.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2011, 12:06:17 PM
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Fred Hoiberg named Basketball Times' Rookie Coach of the Year. http://fb.me/IwAusnin

Hoiberg bringing in hardware.

Should jump to a better gig before crap hits the fan.

Wow. Nice to see what last place gets you.

Yeah, it has to be a gag thing.  Maybe he is getting Punk'ed  :dunno:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 28, 2011, 02:26:51 PM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Just a thought: Frank Martin? N.C. State fans would love him. RT @ACCSports: @goodmanonfox Your thoughts on whom N.C. State should hire?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 02:28:06 PM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Just a thought: Frank Martin? N.C. State fans would love him. RT @ACCSports: @goodmanonfox Your thoughts on whom N.C. State should hire?

I don't see that being a place where he'd be interested, but who knows?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2011, 02:32:28 PM
Quote
AJSports Courtney Linehan
Hearing rumors Pat Knight's been hired at Lamar, but also hearing that school is not prepared to announce a coach until next weke.

Don't know anything about Lamar other than their doughnuts are OK. 

Good luck Pat.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2011, 02:36:06 PM
2 huge negatives to NC State, but a whole bunch of positives.

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 02:38:26 PM
2 huge negatives to NC State, but a whole bunch of positives.



What are the negatives?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2011, 02:38:53 PM
2 huge negatives to NC State, but a whole bunch of positives.



What are the negatives?

Duke and UNC?   :dunno:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 02:40:59 PM
2 huge negatives to NC State, but a whole bunch of positives.



What are the negatives?

Duke and UNC?   :dunno:

Yeah.  Why would you go from #2 in your state to #3 in your metro?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2011, 02:41:38 PM
2 huge negatives to NC State, but a whole bunch of positives.



Unrealistic expectations?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 28, 2011, 02:42:11 PM
Frank would be stupid not to take that job if offered.  Good luck Frank.  Godspeed.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 02:43:23 PM
Frank would be stupid not to take that job if offered.  Good luck Frank.  Godspeed.

 :dubious:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 28, 2011, 02:54:39 PM
Frank would be stupid not to take that job if offered.  Good luck Frank.  Godspeed.

 :dubious:

 :cool:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2011, 03:08:20 PM
with re: to Painter:

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GaryParrishCBS Gary Parrish
Gene Keady also said this: "I think he'll stay."
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on March 28, 2011, 03:17:42 PM
with re: to Painter:

Quote
GaryParrishCBS Gary Parrish
Gene Keady also said this: "I think he'll stay."

would love the tigerboard meltdown if this happens
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on March 28, 2011, 03:20:13 PM
There's also another big reason that could keep Frank from considering NCSU: Their AD Debbie Yow. She cultivated a reputation of being very difficult to work with in Maryland and nobody in College Park was really sad to see her go. If Frank and Currie are butting heads behind the scenes, then the likelihood of him duking it out with Yow is very high if he went to Raleigh. Plus, we could probably match any offer that NCSU has unless they really open up their wallet for him (which I don't see happening)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2011, 04:03:10 PM
with re: to Painter:

Quote
GaryParrishCBS Gary Parrish
Gene Keady also said this: "I think he'll stay."


would love the tigerboard meltdown if this happens

Who's the guy that goes on with Soren sometimes from powermizzou.com?  Would be epic to have him report "It's Painter"
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: ednksu on March 28, 2011, 04:09:03 PM
NCSU & the Pres are total cuntfaces when dealing with athletics.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 28, 2011, 05:46:35 PM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Sources told me that a coach in the A-10, Conference-USA and another one in the Big 12 have said "thanks, but no thanks" to NC State.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 28, 2011, 05:47:28 PM
:surprised:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 28, 2011, 06:09:26 PM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Sources told me that a coach in the A-10, Conference-USA and another one in the Big 12 have said "thanks, but no thanks" to NC State.

 :emawkid:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 28, 2011, 06:27:04 PM
I'm I crazy to think the following:

Purdue > Mizzou
K-State > NC State

Seems like these guys would be taking lateral, or more likely demotions, by going to those places.
 :confused:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2011, 06:50:09 PM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Sources told me that a coach in the A-10, Conference-USA and another one in the Big 12 have said "thanks, but no thanks" to NC State.

Love you too, Frank.

 :love:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2011, 08:14:02 PM

           Dick Weiss New York Daily News
Quote
matt painter to missouri 7 yrs 14 mill' tigers got a great coach will purdue make a pitch for brad stevens 27 minutes ago via web


:horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 09:10:53 PM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Sources told me that a coach in the A-10, Conference-USA and another one in the Big 12 have said "thanks, but no thanks" to NC State.

Chris Mack
Josh Pastner
Frank Martin

Who wants to lay odds?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 28, 2011, 09:25:08 PM

           Dick Weiss New York Daily News
Quote
matt painter to missouri 7 yrs 14 mill' tigers got a great coach will purdue make a pitch for brad stevens 27 minutes ago via web


:horrorsurprise:

Quote
Steve_Walentik Steve Walentik
by SSJ_WHB
Source says Painter to #Mizzou not done, but indications are it is going to happen
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Fuktard on March 28, 2011, 09:25:49 PM

           Dick Weiss New York Daily News
Quote
matt painter to missouri 7 yrs 14 mill' tigers got a great coach will purdue make a pitch for brad stevens 27 minutes ago via web


:horrorsurprise:

Not saying Painter won't end up at MU, but I know for a fact that he's not even coming in for an interview until tomorrow.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2011, 09:56:35 PM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Sources told me that a coach in the A-10, Conference-USA and another one in the Big 12 have said "thanks, but no thanks" to NC State.

Chris Mack
Josh Pastner
Frank Martin

Who wants to lay odds?

Sounds about right, Gary Williams isn't loved but the Debbie Yow thing along with Duke & UNC makes that the worst job of the current BCS openings.  People keep talking about money like that matters, but Depaul and Oregon threw loads of cash around too and no big fishes bit.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: jtksu on March 28, 2011, 10:13:02 PM
Yeah, I almost forgot what a hard time Oregon had finding a new coach.  DePaul is a nice job but Nike's power and money would seemingly make Oregon a great gig.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2011, 10:17:50 PM
Yeah, I almost forgot what a hard time Oregon had finding a new coach.  DePaul is a nice job but Nike's power and money would seemingly make Oregon a great gig.

I watched the CBI finals game 1 tonight.  I have no idea who the analyst was but he said that Dana Altman was Oregon's first choice.  LOL  Don't know who the hell he was trying to fool but anyone watching the CBI on television knows better.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 28, 2011, 10:20:04 PM
Yeah, I almost forgot what a hard time Oregon had finding a new coach.  DePaul is a nice job but Nike's power and money would seemingly make Oregon a great gig.

I watched the CBI finals game 1 tonight.  I have no idea who the analyst was but he said that Dana Altman was Oregon's first choice.  LOL  Don't know who the hell he was trying to fool but anyone watching the CBI on television knows better.

What network carries the CBI?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2011, 10:25:08 PM
Yeah, I almost forgot what a hard time Oregon had finding a new coach.  DePaul is a nice job but Nike's power and money would seemingly make Oregon a great gig.

I watched the CBI finals game 1 tonight.  I have no idea who the analyst was but he said that Dana Altman was Oregon's first choice.  LOL  Don't know who the hell he was trying to fool but anyone watching the CBI on television knows better.

What network carries the CBI?

HDNet
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: pike on March 28, 2011, 10:32:33 PM
Bob Knight to Purdue grumblings. Sorry if already posted
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2011, 10:41:10 PM
Bob Knight to Purdue grumblings. Sorry if already posted

It definitely hasn't been posted, no credible source would put their name to that.  That's a really stupid rumor.  I heard Billy Tubbs is going to Miami with Norm Stewart and Johnny Orr as his assistants.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: pike on March 28, 2011, 10:42:31 PM
Bob Knight to Purdue grumblings. Sorry if already posted

It definitely hasn't been posted, no credible source would put their name to that.  That's a really stupid rumor.  I heard Billy Tubbs is going to Miami with Norm Stewart and Johnny Orr as his assistants.

Oh. Fatlock was just retweeting some garbage I thought I'd mention it.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 28, 2011, 10:43:55 PM
Wasn't JW the one behind it? He's just having fun i guess. Apparently wasn't getting enough attention.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: pike on March 28, 2011, 10:47:54 PM
Wasn't JW the one behind it? He's just having fun i guess. Apparently wasn't getting enough attention.

Don't know. I went to take a shower, got back and I saw all kinds of Painter to Mu and Knight to Purdue. Overwhelming to say the least  :runaway:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Havs on March 28, 2011, 11:05:38 PM
Bob Knight to Purdue grumblings. Sorry if already posted

It definitely hasn't been posted, no credible source would put their name to that.  That's a really stupid rumor.  I heard Billy Tubbs is going to Miami with Norm Stewart and Johnny Orr as his assistants.

Johnny Orr does live in Florida...
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MadCat on March 28, 2011, 11:08:31 PM
Bob Knight to Purdue grumblings. Sorry if already posted

It definitely hasn't been posted, no credible source would put their name to that.  That's a really stupid rumor.  I heard Billy Tubbs is going to Miami with Norm Stewart and Johnny Orr as his assistants.

Johnny Orr does live in Florida...
Mike Leach  :love:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: ednksu on March 29, 2011, 04:57:19 AM

           Dick Weiss New York Daily News
Quote
matt painter to missouri 7 yrs 14 mill' tigers got a great coach will purdue make a pitch for brad stevens 27 minutes ago via web


:horrorsurprise:
everyone has that tweet but I don't see it on his twitter feed
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: ednksu on March 29, 2011, 05:39:51 AM
Painter's wiki bio is already getting changed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Painter
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: slackcat on March 29, 2011, 07:10:16 AM
Will awaken a sleeping giant......
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 29, 2011, 07:22:47 AM
The Knight rumor is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thing started by whitlock.  You can tell because he is saying that purdue is going to pay him $10m/yr.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 29, 2011, 10:32:28 AM
Quote
GottliebShow Doug Gottlieb
I know Alden is meeting w/Painter, still think he is playing the game-listen/nod/smile-go back to Purdue and get paid-IMHO
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: OK_Cat on March 29, 2011, 10:41:40 AM
Love that Frank got the NC State job offer and didn't use it to get more money/publicity.

We <3 you, Frank.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Havs on March 29, 2011, 11:36:06 AM
Quote
GottliebShow Doug Gottlieb
I know Alden is meeting w/Painter, still think he is playing the game-listen/nod/smile-go back to Purdue and get paid-IMHO
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: doom on March 29, 2011, 12:07:32 PM
Love that Frank got the NC State job offer and didn't use it to get more money/publicity.

We <3 you, Frank.

Frank is the greatest!   :love:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2011, 12:27:08 PM
Love that Frank got the NC State job offer and didn't use it to get more money/publicity.

We <3 you, Frank.

May end up getting more money out of it, but at least he's not making it public, which is a very honorable thing.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 29, 2011, 01:37:09 PM
Quote
GaryParrishCBS Gary Parrish
Here's a quick news story on Josh Pastner agreeing to an extension with Memphis: http://bit.ly/f7lVpq

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Memphis officials will announce later today that the school has reached a deal on a new and extended contract with Josh Pastner, a source told CBSSports.com on Tuesday.

Pastner had been linked to openings at N.C. State, Missouri and Oklahoma in recent days. He just took Memphis to the NCAA tournament and should return a preseason Top 25 team next season headlined by Will Barton, Joe Jackson, Tarik Black and incoming freshman Adonis Thomas, a McDonald's All-American from Melrose High in Memphis

Pastner is 49-20 in two years with the Tigers.

He replaced John Calipari in April 2009.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2011, 01:38:07 PM
Quote
GaryParrishCBS Gary Parrish
Here's a quick news story on Josh Pastner agreeing to an extension with Memphis: http://bit.ly/f7lVpq

Quote
Memphis officials will announce later today that the school has reached a deal on a new and extended contract with Josh Pastner, a source told CBSSports.com on Tuesday.

Pastner had been linked to openings at N.C. State, Missouri and Oklahoma in recent days. He just took Memphis to the NCAA tournament and should return a preseason Top 25 team next season headlined by Will Barton, Joe Jackson, Tarik Black and incoming freshman Adonis Thomas, a McDonald's All-American from Melrose High in Memphis

Pastner is 49-20 in two years with the Tigers.

He replaced John Calipari in April 2009.

Ha ha!  I was 1/3 right on the NC State tweet!
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 29, 2011, 01:46:55 PM
Quote
GottliebShow Doug Gottlieb
Katz reporting Pastnew 5 year ext. OU never interested, but openings are nice for HCs to re-up. Congrats to Josh and Memphis

Is OU still working the Buzz angle, or has Buzz decided to say at Marquette?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: OK_Cat on March 29, 2011, 01:47:39 PM
Quote
GottliebShow Doug Gottlieb
Katz reporting Pastnew 5 year ext. OU never interested, but openings are nice for HCs to re-up. Congrats to Josh and Memphis

Is OU still working the Buzz angle, or has Buzz decided to say at Marquette?

This morning, Gottlieb said that Buzz isn't going anywhere.  Has a pretty steep buyout, apparently.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2011, 01:53:00 PM
Quote
GottliebShow Doug Gottlieb
Katz reporting Pastnew 5 year ext. OU never interested, but openings are nice for HCs to re-up. Congrats to Josh and Memphis

Is OU still working the Buzz angle, or has Buzz decided to say at Marquette?

This morning, Gottlieb said that Buzz isn't going anywhere.  Has a pretty steep buyout, apparently.

Have they even identified any real candidates yet, or are they just going to try to go back to the VCU well?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 29, 2011, 01:59:12 PM
Quote
GottliebShow Doug Gottlieb
Katz reporting Pastnew 5 year ext. OU never interested, but openings are nice for HCs to re-up. Congrats to Josh and Memphis

Is OU still working the Buzz angle, or has Buzz decided to say at Marquette?

This morning, Gottlieb said that Buzz isn't going anywhere.  Has a pretty steep buyout, apparently.

Have they even identified any real candidates yet, or are they just going to try to go back to the VCU well?

Quote
curtiskitchen Curtis Kitchen
#Oklahoma basketball fans, if they exist, should be terrified at the silence surrounding the job opening. Hardly a blip...

 :lol:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: OK_Cat on March 29, 2011, 02:00:39 PM
OU has been insanely quiet about the coaching search.  Literally not a peep from anybody.  Guarantee that they'll hire some no-name guy that will be a huge bust.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 29, 2011, 02:02:50 PM
Quote
GottliebShow Doug Gottlieb
If Mizzou lands Painter I do think they did very well. Not an upgrade, not a downgrade- Painter likely to be more successful in conference
1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 29, 2011, 02:03:06 PM
Marshall?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2011, 02:04:46 PM
LOL @ curtis kitchen acting like he has his finger on the pulse of anything.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: AppleJack on March 29, 2011, 02:05:27 PM
Marshall?

Marshall to K-State when Frank leaves for Miami next year.

/ I literally have no idea what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 29, 2011, 02:05:51 PM
reportedly, that's just how castiglione works.  no consultants, no leaks, no media.


kitchen is a dumbass, as usual.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2011, 04:49:52 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/03/29/2761400/painter-will-wait-a-day-to-make.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/03/29/2761400/painter-will-wait-a-day-to-make.html)

Quote
“The ball is in his court,” the source told The Star. “Purdue has come up with more money (reports in Indiana say $2.3 million). They don’t want to lose him.”
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2011, 04:52:35 PM
reportedly, that's just how castiglione works.  no consultants, no leaks, no media.

Curious to see where he goes with the search, though.  I thought Buzz would be a big target.  Maybe he was before he got extended, or maybe it's the reason he got the big extension.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 29, 2011, 04:55:00 PM
Is this HC salary inflation we're seeing?  How does it affect our short to mid term chances of retaining Frank?  If someone wanted Frank for $2.3M, would we match (assume Frank dealt with it in the utmost respectful manner)?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 29, 2011, 07:30:31 PM
ouch...

http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/local/Less-than-a-dozen-come-to-Painter-rally
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
ouch...

http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/local/Less-than-a-dozen-come-to-Painter-rally

I'd leave.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on March 29, 2011, 08:05:25 PM
ouch...

http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/local/Less-than-a-dozen-come-to-Painter-rally

I'd leave.

Our rally for Huggs would've been fantastic.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2011, 08:28:03 PM
ouch...

http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/local/Less-than-a-dozen-come-to-Painter-rally

I'd leave.

Our rally for Huggs would've been fantastic.

I remember that day.  When Huggs told Ropinfeet not to have it, I knew he was gone.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 29, 2011, 08:36:26 PM
ouch...

http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/local/Less-than-a-dozen-come-to-Painter-rally

I'd leave.

Our rally for Huggs would've been fantastic.

i would have gone.   :bawl:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 11:05:14 AM
 :users:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 11:11:18 AM
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/tiger-tracker/article_a136221c-5ae4-11e0-9743-0017a4a78c22.html
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 11:13:56 AM
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/tiger-tracker/article_a136221c-5ae4-11e0-9743-0017a4a78c22.html

 :runaway:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 11:15:03 AM
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sptwri Mike DeArmond
As of half an hour ago, Painter had not told his staff anything. All along people who know Painter have said he wouldn't pull an anderson.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 11:21:28 AM
I still don't see any way he goes to MU. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 11:22:26 AM
I still don't see any way he goes to MU. 

38mins to decide   :ohno:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 30, 2011, 11:23:24 AM
I still don't see any way he goes to MU. 

don't understand this attitude.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 11:25:03 AM
I still don't see any way he goes to MU. 

don't understand this attitude.

you think he's going?  a lot of people do.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 11:25:55 AM
Things must be really really really shitty at Purdue. I mean, jfc.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 11:29:01 AM
don't understand what purdue has over missouri. can someone explain?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2011, 11:33:44 AM
don't understand what purdue has over missouri. can someone explain?

Really only that he's an alumnus. Otherwise it sounds like the leadership is overly into making themselves an "academic school" and Painter might think its possible to win more/bigger at Missouri.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 11:34:19 AM
Things must be really really really shitty at Purdue. I mean, jfc.

Guy on 810 yesterday was saying that Purdue admin sucks.   Said that their current arena doesn't even have AC.  Granted they are building a new practice facility, but how do you let something go that long?

Also, another guy said that the booster involvement is close to zero up there.  sounds like no one cares that much.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 11:37:32 AM
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espn4d Pat Forde
Some folks close to the situation are counseling to apply the brakes to the Post-Dispatch's Painter-Mizzou story. Nothing official right now
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Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: The1BigWillie on March 30, 2011, 11:43:05 AM
Too much smoke here.  He's going to Mizzou. 

"It's Painter!"

Our conference just got tougher.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 11:54:26 AM
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But do remember, this guy lost to VCU by 18,  Good coach and a step up on MU's last 2 coaches for sure but probably not perfect.

lol, 3 days after being down to VCU by 18 and losing by double digits as well.

:lol:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 30, 2011, 12:01:11 PM
I still don't see any way he goes to MU. 

don't understand this attitude.

you think he's going?  a lot of people do.

I actually think he'd be an idiot not to go to MU.  Much better situation at MU than Purdue.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Havs on March 30, 2011, 12:06:50 PM
Things must be really really really shitty at Purdue. I mean, jfc.

Guy on 810 yesterday was saying that Purdue admin sucks.   Said that their current arena doesn't even have AC.  Granted they are building a new practice facility, but how do you let something go that long?

Also, another guy said that the booster involvement is close to zero up there.  sounds like no one cares that much.

Their president resigned last year, who was president at Iowa State before his time at Purdue. He basically ran our school into the ground on multiple fronts as well. Purdue is fuccccccccked.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 12:12:05 PM
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TheHoopsReport Ryan Feldman
Myself, Seth Davis, Dan Wetzel, and multiple Indianapolis newspapers are reporting that Painter accepted the Mizzou job. It's a done deal.
2 minutes ago
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 12:13:39 PM
purdue fanbase has to feel like dogshit
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 12:15:42 PM
purdue fanbase has to feel like dogshit

Yep.  Officially a worse school that MU. 

'grats, Purdue.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 30, 2011, 12:17:31 PM
purdue fanbase has to feel like dogcac

yeah.  the guy freaking left his HC position at SIU to be an assistant for a year before taking over......and you can't keep him?  jfc. 

on the flip side...first time MU hasn't fitz'd something up, which is weird.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
purdue fanbase has to feel like dogcac

yeah.  the guy freaking left his HC position at SIU to be an assistant for a year before taking over......and you can't keep him?  jfc. 

on the flip side...first time MU hasn't fitz'd something up, which is weird.

Wait for the details.  They may be paying him like he is Bill Self.

What I am saying is that they may have Fitz'ed themselves rather than the deal.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 30, 2011, 12:21:29 PM
purdue fanbase has to feel like dogcac

yeah.  the guy freaking left his HC position at SIU to be an assistant for a year before taking over......and you can't keep him?  jfc. 

on the flip side...first time MU hasn't fitz'd something up, which is weird.

Wait for the details.  They may be paying him like he is Bill Self.

What I am saying is that they may have Fitz'ed themselves rather than the deal.

It was either Painter or........? prolly some rummy.  unless they went above 2.8 it was a no brainer.  hell, even then who cares if you're MU?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
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GaryParrishCBS Gary Parrish
How awesome would it be if Matt Painter just said F it and took the N.C. State job?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wetwillie on March 30, 2011, 12:26:36 PM
Has anyone attempted to break contract numbers for the deal?  Might be a new BITB in town if he got them for like 2.5 a year with a low buyout.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 12:31:18 PM
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sptwri Mike DeArmond
An MU official just told me - on the record - that a report that Matt Painter has told Missouri he has accepted is "premature"

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sptwri Mike DeArmond
MU statement confirms what one of my sources told me earlier. Acceptance report is jumping the gun
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: doom on March 30, 2011, 12:37:41 PM
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sptwri Mike DeArmond
An MU official just told me - on the record - that a report that Matt Painter has told Missouri he has accepted is "premature"

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sptwri Mike DeArmond
MU statement confirms what one of my sources told me earlier. Acceptance report is jumping the gun

I call b.s.  Mostly on that dearmond has sources. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 30, 2011, 12:38:45 PM
If he goes to MU, at least it's like a FU to the BigTen.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 30, 2011, 12:46:34 PM
i'm assuming he verballed, but like most things you wait until it's signed to leak anything.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 30, 2011, 12:54:57 PM
you think he's going?  a lot of people do.

no idea.  just don't understand the attitude that mu is an inferior job.  at worst equal, and i personally agree with the idea that it's better (but with a nod to micat's chicago argument).

also don't understand the notion that everyone is dying to live/work in the town where they went to college.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 30, 2011, 12:57:46 PM
MU being wiling to put the money behind basketball is all the difference.  Purdue seems stingy over this whole ordeal.  Too little too late.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 30, 2011, 01:00:07 PM
It's like Purdue looked at Northwestern and was like "yeah, that seems pretty cool.  let's go the academics route." 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2011, 01:13:54 PM
I still don't see any way he goes to MU. 

don't understand this attitude.

you think he's going?  a lot of people do.

I actually think he'd be an idiot not to go to MU.  Much better situation at MU than Purdue.

I totally disagree. The population in a 2 hour, 3 hour, and 6 hour radius of W. Laffayette is so much bigger than Columbia that it makes any bullshit "only game in town" argument for MU....well, bullshit.

Also, Purdue has more Big 10 titles than....anyone.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Conference_men%27s_basketball_regular_season_champions  :surprised:

I know MU doesn't come close to sniffing the most Big 12/Big 8 titles, so I don't see how they have ever leveraged their "elite status" in missouri into anything other than bragging rights over CMSU and Truman State. Sleeping giant my ass.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2011, 01:29:59 PM
I still don't see any way he goes to MU. 

don't understand this attitude.

you think he's going?  a lot of people do.

I actually think he'd be an idiot not to go to MU.  Much better situation at MU than Purdue.

I totally disagree. The population in a 2 hour, 3 hour, and 6 hour radius of W. Laffayette is so much bigger than Columbia that it makes any bullcac "only game in town" argument for MU....well, bullcac.

Also, Purdue has more Big 10 titles than....anyone.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Conference_men%27s_basketball_regular_season_champions  :surprised:

I know MU doesn't come close to sniffing the most Big 12/Big 8 titles, so I don't see how they have ever leveraged their "elite status" in missouri into anything other than bragging rights over CMSU and Truman State. Sleeping giant my ass.

Those things are all true, but it seems like this is all about commitment to a program and winning than any of those things. Those things definitely make Purdue the better job on paper.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 01:43:02 PM
 :users:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2011, 01:55:07 PM
I still don't see any way he goes to MU. 

don't understand this attitude.

you think he's going?  a lot of people do.

I actually think he'd be an idiot not to go to MU.  Much better situation at MU than Purdue.

I totally disagree. The population in a 2 hour, 3 hour, and 6 hour radius of W. Laffayette is so much bigger than Columbia that it makes any bullcac "only game in town" argument for MU....well, bullcac.

Also, Purdue has more Big 10 titles than....anyone.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Conference_men%27s_basketball_regular_season_champions  :surprised:

I know MU doesn't come close to sniffing the most Big 12/Big 8 titles, so I don't see how they have ever leveraged their "elite status" in missouri into anything other than bragging rights over CMSU and Truman State. Sleeping giant my ass.

Those things are all true, but it seems like this is all about commitment to a program and winning than any of those things. Those things definitely make Purdue the better job on paper.

I said in the other thread that even with more money (i.e. commitment) it is close. With equal money/budget it is not close IMO.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 30, 2011, 01:57:25 PM
I still don't see any way he goes to MU. 

don't understand this attitude.

you think he's going?  a lot of people do.

I actually think he'd be an idiot not to go to MU.  Much better situation at MU than Purdue.

I totally disagree. The population in a 2 hour, 3 hour, and 6 hour radius of W. Laffayette is so much bigger than Columbia that it makes any bullcac "only game in town" argument for MU....well, bullcac.

Also, Purdue has more Big 10 titles than....anyone.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Conference_men%27s_basketball_regular_season_champions  :surprised:

I know MU doesn't come close to sniffing the most Big 12/Big 8 titles, so I don't see how they have ever leveraged their "elite status" in missouri into anything other than bragging rights over CMSU and Truman State. Sleeping giant my ass.

i dunno.  looks like purdue had a hell of a run b/t 1920-1930 (half of their 22 titles came then).  Since 1989, Purdue's won it 4 times,  Mu's won 2 titles, though none as recently as last year as Purdue has.  West lafayette is only 6hours away from columbia.  i dunno.  seems like MU will provide resources, and Purdue won't give Painter another GA.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 30, 2011, 01:58:23 PM
With equal money/budget it is not close IMO.

 :dubious:

rank purdue job among big 10 jobs.  assume a decent admin, not a shitty one as is rumored.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2011, 02:02:09 PM
With equal money/budget it is not close IMO.

 :dubious:

rank purdue job among big 10 jobs.  assume a decent admin, not a shitty one as is rumored.

Assuming equal coaches, also:

Indiana
Michigan
Ohio State
Purdue/Illinois (tie)
Michigan St. (they are all izzo)
who cares
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 30, 2011, 02:10:59 PM
wow, you have michigan way up there.  hard to fathom their sustained recent mediocrity, if they're truly the 2nd best job in the big 10.

my own ranking would be:

ohio state
indiana
illinois

michigan/msu (don't feel like i know how to evaluate these jobs)
wisconsin
purdue
minnesota/iowa

northwestern (i've said before, i don't understand why this isn't a great job.  but i'm accepting empirical evidence to place here)

nebrasksa
penn st
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2011, 02:15:21 PM
I am generous w/ Michigan because of the insane amounts of money that flows through that place. Probation/Amaker set them back. I would have no problem moving them down.

Not sure how Illinois is better than Purdue. Very, very similar jobs.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 30, 2011, 02:25:33 PM
Not sure how Illinois is better than Purdue. Very, very similar jobs.

chicago is illinois.  purdue's geographic distance to chicago has never translated into competing with illinois for chicago recruits.


also, illinois is a media draw, purdue isn't.  i'd bet the illinois alumni base dwarfs purdues.  similarly, ui is richer, more prestigious.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 02:29:51 PM
Indy TV stations saying that Painter is staying.

Christ, this is going to be great if true.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 02:30:46 PM
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-20110328-matt-painter-coaching-future,0,5977959.story
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 02:31:27 PM
1070 Radio Station in Indy also says he's staying.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 02:34:20 PM
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-20110328-matt-painter-coaching-future,0,5977959.story

they changed the wording in that article...just a few min ago it was...

Quote
WEST LAFAYETTE—

The St. Louis Post Dispatch is reporting Purdue head coach Matt Painter has accepted the men’s basketball coaching position at Missouri. But, not so fast, a source close to Fox 59 says no official decision has been made.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EMAWzified on March 30, 2011, 02:38:21 PM
Poor mizzou. Spurned by Big-10 then Painter.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 02:38:53 PM
OT: Twitter is down for me. fml
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2011, 02:45:40 PM
Not sure how Illinois is better than Purdue. Very, very similar jobs.

chicago is illinois.  purdue's geographic distance to chicago has never translated into competing with illinois for chicago recruits.


also, illinois is a media draw, purdue isn't.  i'd bet the illinois alumni base dwarfs purdues.  similarly, ui is richer, more prestigious.

That's fair. But it isn't like you see kids in chicago growing up dreaming of playing for Illinois - this isn't unc we're talking about here.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 02:46:11 PM
Andy Katz reporting Painter turned down MU.

lol.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 02:47:13 PM
Andy Katz reporting Painter turned down MU.

lol.

Poor Methers are gonna have more heart issues after this month is over.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 02:47:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6274057

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Matt Painter has turned down Missouri and will remain coach of the Purdue men's basketball team, a source with knowledge of the situation tells ESPN.com's Andy Katz.

Painter and Missouri athletic director Mike Alden met Tuesday morning in Orlando, Fla., to discuss the Tigers' opening. Painter was offered the job but did not say either way at that time whether he'd take it.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on March 30, 2011, 02:52:49 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6274057

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Matt Painter has turned down Missouri and will remain coach of the Purdue men's basketball team, a source with knowledge of the situation tells ESPN.com's Andy Katz.

Painter and Missouri athletic director Mike Alden met Tuesday morning in Orlando, Fla., to discuss the Tigers' opening. Painter was offered the job but did not say either way at that time whether he'd take it.

I am enjoying the crap out of today.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: AppleJack on March 30, 2011, 02:55:31 PM
Wow, now where do they turn  :dunno:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2011, 02:57:30 PM
I don't get why everyone thinks this is so funny/depressing. They took a chance at a great hire that turned them down. I'd personally like KSU to try to make a similar hire next time (although maybe not so publicly). I mean, it isn't like Greg McDermott turned them down or something.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: The1BigWillie on March 30, 2011, 03:00:13 PM
goodmanfox:  Matt Painter decided to stay at Purdue-multiple sources told FOXSports.com


 :lol:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 03:00:33 PM
lol @ the tards who were 100% sure. jfc, people are idiots.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on March 30, 2011, 03:01:16 PM
I don't get why everyone thinks this is so funny/depressing. They took a chance at a great hire that turned them down. I'd personally like KSU to try to make a similar hire next time (although maybe not so publicly). I mean, it isn't like Greg McDermott turned them down or something.

Schadenfreude at Missouri's expense and the meltdown that their fanbase will have/are having. That's why I'm enjoying this.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 03:02:04 PM
more importantly, sd's humiliation from two pages ago now NOT LOOKING SO HUMILIATING!   :emawkid:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 03:02:49 PM
What I don't get:  Why does a guy cut his vacation short to fly home to tell his boss, coaches, and players that he is staying?  Sure, I get doing that to say you are leaving, but seem silly to say you are staying, unless it is a last ditch effort to get your AD to get off his ass.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: The1BigWillie on March 30, 2011, 03:06:56 PM
To Tigerboard!!!  :bracketmouse: :emawkid:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 03:07:55 PM
What I don't get:  Why does a guy cut his vacation short to fly home to tell his boss, coaches, and players that he is staying?  Sure, I get doing that to say you are leaving, but seem silly to say you are staying, unless it is a last ditch effort to get your AD to get off his ass.

to squeeze every ounce of money out of Purdue in this ordeal. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 03:11:15 PM
I'm shocked Frank hasn't done this with the Depaul or other mys offers.  Katz is a classy SOB.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 03:15:19 PM
Nick Wright mocking pretty heavily. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 30, 2011, 03:15:50 PM
I'm shocked Frank hasn't done this with the Depaul or other mys offers.  Katz is a classy SOB.

this is the only reason to lol @ mu (or purdue).  the whole thing was so media leaky.  makes you appreciate an agent-lawyer and an a.d. that know how to control rumors.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 30, 2011, 03:16:40 PM
why hasn't Purdue come out and said something yet?  waiting to announce the new contract or something?
Title: Painter STAYING at MU!!
Post by: PoetWarrior on March 30, 2011, 03:17:02 PM
Oh, wow, this is fun!!
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 30, 2011, 03:17:20 PM
What I don't get:  Why does a guy cut his vacation short to fly home to tell his boss, coaches, and players that he is staying?  Sure, I get doing that to say you are leaving, but seem silly to say you are staying, unless it is a last ditch effort to get your AD to get off his ass.

he probably flew home to tell the AD he is leaving...............................

(as he's walking out the AD's door) "What if we quit being tight wads and paid you more"
(Painter pauses, grins, turns back around and sits down)  "Open up the check book son"
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 03:18:34 PM
http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/033011aab.html (http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/033011aab.html)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Winters on March 30, 2011, 03:20:16 PM
 :users:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on March 30, 2011, 03:20:33 PM
http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/033011aab.html (http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/033011aab.html)

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Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 03:20:47 PM
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BlumbergOTB Eric Blumberg
Am now told Painter was going to tell his players he was leaving and had a change of heart.

what a dipshit(Blumberg,not Painter)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 30, 2011, 03:22:54 PM
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meh.  didn't think painter was bad for kstate.  they could easily hire someone who hurts us more.
Title: Re: Painter STAYING at MU!!
Post by: PoetWarrior on March 30, 2011, 03:23:14 PM
Moderators, I apologize, please move to basketball board.

Thanks!

:-)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: chum1 on March 30, 2011, 03:25:06 PM
i think swings and misses are funny.  especially when there are lots of them.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on March 30, 2011, 03:25:35 PM
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meh.  didn't think painter was bad for kstate.  they could easily hire someone who hurts us more.

DON'T TAKE THIS MOMENT FROM ME, SYS

rational analysis can always come later
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: doom on March 30, 2011, 03:28:44 PM
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meh.  didn't think painter was bad for kstate.  they could easily hire someone who hurts us more.

I agree, thinking specifically of Smart, who did you have in mind?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 30, 2011, 03:31:32 PM
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meh.  didn't think painter was bad for kstate.  they could easily hire someone who hurts us more.

I agree, thinking specifically of Smart, who did you have in mind?

Painter had basically 0 bust potential.  They get Painter, they are in good shape.  It was safe.  Whoever they get now has high bust potential.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: theKSU on March 30, 2011, 03:38:21 PM
I like the Eustachy idea. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MakeItRain on March 30, 2011, 03:38:30 PM
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meh.  didn't think painter was bad for kstate.  they could easily hire someone who hurts us more.

Yeah IMO people have been overselling the crap out of Painter.  BITB guaranteed a final four for Mizzou if he had stayed there at least seven years.  Klinksdale calling him a top 5 coach.  He's a very good coach, there are many very good coaches that don't regularly make final fours, Self has one.  FYI Painter at Purdue has the exact same win percentage as Frank does at KSU.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 30, 2011, 03:39:43 PM
Nick Wright mocking pretty heavily. 

predictable
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Havs on March 30, 2011, 03:41:32 PM
I like the Eustachy idea. 

Last time Larry was in Columbia...

(http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/larry_eustachy_2.jpg)

 :drink:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 30, 2011, 03:45:46 PM
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meh.  didn't think painter was bad for kstate.  they could easily hire someone who hurts us more.

Yeah IMO people have been overselling the cac out of Painter.  BITB guaranteed a final four for Mizzou if he had stayed there at least seven years.  Klinksdale calling him a top 5 coach.  He's a very good coach, there are many very good coaches that don't regularly make final fours, Self has one.  FYI Painter at Purdue has the exact same win percentage as Frank does at KSU.

Douggie G.  thinks the world of Painter.  YOU SAYING YOU KNOW MORE THAN DOUG GOTTLEIB?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2011, 03:50:24 PM
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meh.  didn't think painter was bad for kstate.  they could easily hire someone who hurts us more.

Yeah IMO people have been overselling the cac out of Painter.  BITB guaranteed a final four for Mizzou if he had stayed there at least seven years.  Klinksdale calling him a top 5 coach.  He's a very good coach, there are many very good coaches that don't regularly make final fours, Self has one.  FYI Painter at Purdue has the exact same win percentage as Frank does at KSU.

Douggie G.  thinks the world of Painter.  YOU SAYING YOU KNOW MORE THAN DOUG GOTTLEIB?

molinari for ksu coach! - gott, march 2006
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 30, 2011, 03:52:54 PM
I agree, thinking specifically of Smart, who did you have in mind?

i don't have anyone specifically in mind.  just liked that painter hadn't historically recruited either dfw or kc.  also that he had something of a recruiting base in st louis/indiana that could translate to missouri.  i wouldn't like someone that would be the opposite of either of those two factors.


Yeah IMO people have been overselling the crap out of Painter.

yeah, i agree with this too.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: theKSU on March 30, 2011, 03:54:15 PM
Hilarious Mizzou gets left at the altar by the Big 10 and 2 coaches in the span of a year.  NOBODY LIKES YOU MISERY!
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 30, 2011, 03:57:05 PM
so MU goes after Dave Rose (BYU's coach)?  He has JUCO and TX connection (I think).
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MakeItRain on March 30, 2011, 03:57:42 PM
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meh.  didn't think painter was bad for kstate.  they could easily hire someone who hurts us more.

Yeah IMO people have been overselling the cac out of Painter.  BITB guaranteed a final four for Mizzou if he had stayed there at least seven years.  Klinksdale calling him a top 5 coach.  He's a very good coach, there are many very good coaches that don't regularly make final fours, Self has one.  FYI Painter at Purdue has the exact same win percentage as Frank does at KSU.

Douggie G.  thinks the world of Painter.  YOU SAYING YOU KNOW MORE THAN DOUG GOTTLEIB?

He's been very good at Purdue, changing schools doesn't guarantee that success would continue, even if he would have possibly had more resources at Mizzou.  see Crean, Tom
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MakeItRain on March 30, 2011, 04:05:39 PM
so MU goes after Dave Rose (BYU's coach)?  He has JUCO and TX connection (I think).

Too old and the cancer thing is also an issue.

As much as I can't stand him Marshall looks like he's going to get one of these jobs.  Again I can't stand him but I'd hire him before Smart.  That isn't going to work, it hasn't worked in the past.  These dumb ADs keep getting hoodwinked by these flash-in-the-pan tournament runs by unproven mid-major coaches.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 30, 2011, 04:07:39 PM
so MU goes after Dave Rose (BYU's coach)?  He has JUCO and TX connection (I think).

I heard that about OU too.  But the guy is LDS.  Don't most LDS guys consider that the dream job?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2011, 04:14:08 PM
He's been very good at Purdue, changing schools doesn't guarantee that success would continue, even if he would have possibly had more resources at Mizzou.  see Crean, Tom

I think this is a valid point, but Crean is a pretty extreme example. I agree he's been much worse than I anticipated at Indiana, but Sampson pretty much destroyed that place on the way out.  A guy who has won decently and recruited well at another high major program to me is the biggest threat at an opposing school, and Painter definitely fit that bill. He's about as low risk as you get and odds are he would've likely had Missouri competitive and an NCAA program if he had come.

IMO a guy like Smart is not scary at all. He's on a magical run with mostly a bunch of guys he didn't even really recruit. Plus his style is a lot like Anderson's and I'm on not sold on it being a a great style at the high major level unless you are a ridiculous recruiter. I'd be much more worried about Stevens going to Missouri, but I don't think that's likely at all.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on March 30, 2011, 04:17:38 PM
He's been very good at Purdue, changing schools doesn't guarantee that success would continue, even if he would have possibly had more resources at Mizzou.  see Crean, Tom

I think this is a valid point, but Crean is a pretty extreme example. I agree he's been much worse than I anticipated at Indiana, but Sampson pretty much destroyed that place on the way out.  A guy who has won decently and recruited well at another high major program to me is the biggest threat at an opposing school, and Painter definitely fit that bill. He's about as low risk as you get and odds are he would've likely had Missouri competitive and an NCAA program if he had come.

IMO a guy like Smart is not scary at all. He's on a magical run with mostly a bunch of guys he didn't even really recruit. Plus his style is a lot like Anderson's and I'm on not sold on it being a a great style at the high major level unless you are a ridiculous recruiter. I'd be much more worried about Stevens going to Missouri, but I don't think that's likely at all.

JFC, a _FAN validation :love:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 30, 2011, 04:19:58 PM
so MU goes after Dave Rose (BYU's coach)?  He has JUCO and TX connection (I think).

Too old and the cancer thing is also an issue.

As much as I can't stand him Marshall looks like he's going to get one of these jobs.  Again I can't stand him but I'd hire him before Smart.  That isn't going to work, it hasn't worked in the past.  These dumb ADs keep getting hoodwinked by these flash-in-the-pan tournament runs by unproven mid-major coaches.

would love if they hired marshall.  was scared with painter that I would run out of reasons to dislike MU.  with marshall, i'd probably hate mu even more than I hated MU under Anderson.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 30, 2011, 04:22:21 PM
was scared with painter that I would run out of reasons to dislike MU.  with marshall, i'd probably hate mu even more than I hated MU under Anderson.

dumbstick.   :pray:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 30, 2011, 04:25:38 PM
goodman fellates painter, calls micat a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/in_end_painter_shows_loyalty/4474350
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 30, 2011, 04:25:57 PM
was scared with painter that I would run out of reasons to dislike MU.  with marshall, i'd probably hate mu even more than I hated MU under Anderson.

dumbstick.   :pray:

sweet baby jesus.  would be incredible.  we're not that lucky.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 04:30:50 PM
was scared with painter that I would run out of reasons to dislike MU.  with marshall, i'd probably hate mu even more than I hated MU under Anderson.

dumbstick.   :pray:

sweet baby jesus.  would be incredible.  we're not that lucky.

would Matt Scott be forced to call it a fantastic hire?  :love:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 30, 2011, 05:52:51 PM
Painter played MU hard and balls deep.

I will give you reasons why Mike Alden was dumb for going all in on Painter:

1.  He's a Purdue Alum.
2.  Purdue was following through on everything they promised in terms of facilities:  A complete renovation of Mackey Arena, replete with new basketball operations facilities (offices, practice courts, dressing rooms, weight room).   Next to contract/money/emotional support that is almost always next on the list. 

That only left one thing . . . money. 

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 05:56:22 PM
did not realize this.

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See, Purdue is a unique school in that it uses no state funds to support its athletic department. It uses no university funding, either....Purdue pays for every scholarship, every coaching salary -- every stamp on every letter to every high school recruit -- with privately raised funds. That's impressive. That's a school that isn't bleeding an already bled-out state to pay its millionaires even more millions. Well done to Purdue. Wish more schools were like you.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/14879285/want-your-school-to-keep-coaches-like-painter-prepare-to-ante-up
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wetwillie on March 30, 2011, 06:04:35 PM
BITB (Radio) defended MU pretty hard about going after Painter. Although he brought up a pretty solid point that perception of the next hire will be unfair from the fans standpoint if they end up paying the next guy 1.3 Million.  If you were about to unload 2.3 or higher on the previous candidate it would seem underwhelming.  The publicity of the painter deal probably gives future candidates much more leverage to become overpaid.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: ChiCat on March 30, 2011, 07:47:53 PM
He's been very good at Purdue, changing schools doesn't guarantee that success would continue, even if he would have possibly had more resources at Mizzou.  see Crean, Tom

I think this is a valid point, but Crean is a pretty extreme example. I agree he's been much worse than I anticipated at Indiana, but Sampson pretty much destroyed that place on the way out.

Crean's supposed to have an awesome class coming in.  I think his first year there he had like 6 scholarship players and onlye two returning players.  He knew he had an opportunity with that shell of a program to build for 3/4 years and is taking advantage and building it his way.  I would be surprised if he doesn't build a consistent tournament team
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 07:51:11 PM
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Reports out of Denver place New Mexico head coach Steve Alford meeting with Mike Alden in Tulsa early this evening
8 minutes ago
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 30, 2011, 07:59:43 PM
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Reports out of Denver place New Mexico head coach Steve Alford meeting with Mike Alden in Tulsa early this evening
8 minutes ago

Well, that would be a disaster.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: doom on March 30, 2011, 08:29:38 PM
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Reports out of Denver place New Mexico head coach Steve Alford meeting with Mike Alden in Tulsa early this evening
8 minutes ago

Well, that would be a disaster.

For us or them?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2011, 08:42:48 PM
so MU goes after Dave Rose (BYU's coach)?  He has JUCO and TX connection (I think).

Too old and the cancer thing is also an issue.

As much as I can't stand him Marshall looks like he's going to get one of these jobs.  Again I can't stand him but I'd hire him before Smart.  That isn't going to work, it hasn't worked in the past.  These dumb ADs keep getting hoodwinked by these flash-in-the-pan tournament runs by unproven mid-major coaches.

Smart is a recruiter. All things equal, I'd take Smart over Marshall. (but i would have taken smart before their run).
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wabash909 on March 30, 2011, 08:59:12 PM
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Reports out of Denver place New Mexico head coach Steve Alford meeting with Mike Alden in Tulsa early this evening
8 minutes ago

Well, that would be a disaster.

 :crossfingers:


Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: OK_Cat on March 30, 2011, 09:06:49 PM
OU tried to get Lon Kruger and he said no

 :lol:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: OK_Cat on March 30, 2011, 09:07:26 PM
for those keeping track, that's now 3 coaches who have turned OU down (reportedly, of course)

Pastner, Buzz, and Kruger 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2011, 09:12:46 PM
He's been very good at Purdue, changing schools doesn't guarantee that success would continue, even if he would have possibly had more resources at Mizzou.  see Crean, Tom

I think this is a valid point, but Crean is a pretty extreme example. I agree he's been much worse than I anticipated at Indiana, but Sampson pretty much destroyed that place on the way out.

Crean's supposed to have an awesome class coming in.  I think his first year there he had like 6 scholarship players and onlye two returning players.  He knew he had an opportunity with that shell of a program to build for 3/4 years and is taking advantage and building it his way.  I would be surprised if he doesn't build a consistent tournament team

Yeah Crean has the #2 pg, #4 PF, #9 SF, and #16 SG coming in 2012 and they're all home state Indiana guys.  Add in a top 150 7 footer from North Carolina and that is a hell of a coup.  Cody Zeller will com in next year and help hold IU over until the crew gets there.  Obviously there isn't a lot of talent on the current roster but Crean won't be judged until that 2012 class is two years in.  Luckily for him IU fans aren't like Kentucky fans and will actually be patient enough for these guys to come in.  Crean will need to have the Hoosiers dancing in 2012-13 and in the top 10 in 2013-14 or we will probably see Brad Stephens pacing the sidelines in Bloomington the following year (either 13-14 or 15-16)  

I think Stephens is perfectly content at Butler and the one job that would quickly lure him away would be IU.  
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: treysolid on March 30, 2011, 09:17:49 PM
Not sure how Illinois is better than Purdue. Very, very similar jobs.

chicago is illinois.  purdue's geographic distance to chicago has never translated into competing with illinois for chicago recruits.


also, illinois is a media draw, purdue isn't.  i'd bet the illinois alumni base dwarfs purdues.  similarly, ui is richer, more prestigious.

That's fair. But it isn't like you see kids in chicago growing up dreaming of playing for Illinois - this isn't unc we're talking about here.

this is just a falsehood.  granted, chicago alone produces enough talent to fill up 2 or 3 whole D1 squads each year, but Illinois generally has their pick of the litter.  and it's not just for basketball either, practically all the high school kids in CHI want to go to U of I for school as well.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Havs on March 30, 2011, 09:24:48 PM
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Reports out of Denver place New Mexico head coach Steve Alford meeting with Mike Alden in Tulsa early this evening
8 minutes ago

Well, that would be a disaster.

 :crossfingers:


What's the deal with all these meetings taking place in Tulsa??
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2011, 09:37:03 PM
Not sure how Illinois is better than Purdue. Very, very similar jobs.

chicago is illinois.  purdue's geographic distance to chicago has never translated into competing with illinois for chicago recruits.


also, illinois is a media draw, purdue isn't.  i'd bet the illinois alumni base dwarfs purdues.  similarly, ui is richer, more prestigious.



That's fair. But it isn't like you see kids in chicago growing up dreaming of playing for Illinois - this isn't unc we're talking about here.

this is just a falsehood.  granted, chicago alone produces enough talent to fill up 2 or 3 whole D1 squads each year, but Illinois generally has their pick of the litter.  and it's not just for basketball either, practically all the high school kids in CHI want to go to U of I for school as well.

Meh, The enrollments are similar, Purdue has no need to recruit Chicago as Indiana talent is as good or better as any in Illinois.  Purdue actually has a bigger endowment.  They also have more continuity than IU and are a more successful program.  Self proved that Illinois is not a destination Job and while Purdue isn't either I don't think Painter will be leaving for another 15-20 years.  
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2011, 09:47:46 PM
Actually outside of Self Illinois really hasn't done much in the last 20 years.  Hell even Lou Henson only managed 1 B10 title in his time there.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: treysolid on March 30, 2011, 09:51:07 PM
Not sure how Illinois is better than Purdue. Very, very similar jobs.

chicago is illinois.  purdue's geographic distance to chicago has never translated into competing with illinois for chicago recruits.


also, illinois is a media draw, purdue isn't.  i'd bet the illinois alumni base dwarfs purdues.  similarly, ui is richer, more prestigious.



That's fair. But it isn't like you see kids in chicago growing up dreaming of playing for Illinois - this isn't unc we're talking about here.

this is just a falsehood.  granted, chicago alone produces enough talent to fill up 2 or 3 whole D1 squads each year, but Illinois generally has their pick of the litter.  and it's not just for basketball either, practically all the high school kids in CHI want to go to U of I for school as well.

Meh, The enrollments are similar, Purdue has no need to recruit Chicago as Indiana talent is as good or better as any in Illinois.  Purdue actually has a bigger endowment.  They also have more continuity than IU and are a more successful program.  Self proved that Illinois is not a destination Job and while Purdue isn't either I don't think Painter will be leaving for another 15-20 years.  

I don't see what any of that has to do with the perception of the U of I to chicago kids.    :dunno:  
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: treysolid on March 30, 2011, 09:52:37 PM
Actually outside of Self Illinois really hasn't done much in the last 20 years.  Hell even Lou Henson only managed 1 B10 title in his time there.

Still don't see what this has to do with the perception of U of I to chicago kids.  You really have to be from IL to appreciate how ridiculous the draw is.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2011, 09:54:39 PM
Your statement read clearly like ILL is a better job/ program than PU, when in fact any advantage that might possibly exist is minute and in fact PU is a better basketball program than ILL is.  I never claimed that PU had any advantage with Chicago kids. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2011, 09:55:56 PM
so you are changing your argument from Ill is a better job to Ill is a big draw for Chicago kids?  I'll concede the latter.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 30, 2011, 09:57:12 PM
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Reports out of Denver place New Mexico head coach Steve Alford meeting with Mike Alden in Tulsa early this evening
8 minutes ago

Well, that would be a disaster.

For us or them?

Them, obviously.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: treysolid on March 30, 2011, 10:04:14 PM
Your statement read clearly like ILL is a better job/ program than PU, when in fact any advantage that might possibly exist is minute and in fact PU is a better basketball program than ILL is.  I never claimed that PU had any advantage with Chicago kids.  

never once in my original post did i compare the two jobs.  MIcat said that "it's not like chicago kids dream of playing for UI", which is completely false.  I can't compare the two jobs because I don't know as much about PU as UI, but the right coach could be very dangerous at UI.  I don't think Weber is that coach.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2011, 10:09:31 PM
My bad man, that was SYS.  sorry bro.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: ChiCat on March 30, 2011, 10:10:40 PM
Where did Weber come from?  I just remember him being on the ass end of that year's coaching carousel.  He did get to the finals that first year (I think it was the first), though it was with Self's kids.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Havs on March 30, 2011, 10:14:52 PM
Where did Weber come from?  I just remember him being on the ass end of that year's coaching carousel.  He did get to the finals that first year (I think it was the first), though it was with Self's kids.

Southern Illinois
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 30, 2011, 10:15:19 PM
Where did Weber come from?  I just remember him being on the ass end of that year's coaching carousel.  He did get to the finals that first year (I think it was the first), though it was with Self's kids.

Southern Illinois, I believe.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: O-town Kat on March 30, 2011, 10:58:00 PM
DOC 2 MU
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: pike on March 30, 2011, 11:04:40 PM
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Reports out of Denver place New Mexico head coach Steve Alford meeting with Mike Alden in Tulsa early this evening
8 minutes ago

Well, that would be a disaster.

For us or them?

Them, obviously.

WTF is the deal with Tulsa? Isn't that where Mike Anderson signed his deal with Arkansas after a funeral?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: joda on March 30, 2011, 11:06:41 PM
Yea, Weber was at SIU. Basically got the UI job off of their S16 run in '02? Painter took over after he left but only stayed 1 year
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2011, 11:16:57 PM
Not sure how Illinois is better than Purdue. Very, very similar jobs.

chicago is illinois.  purdue's geographic distance to chicago has never translated into competing with illinois for chicago recruits.


also, illinois is a media draw, purdue isn't.  i'd bet the illinois alumni base dwarfs purdues.  similarly, ui is richer, more prestigious.

That's fair. But it isn't like you see kids in chicago growing up dreaming of playing for Illinois - this isn't unc we're talking about here.

this is just a falsehood.  granted, chicago alone produces enough talent to fill up 2 or 3 whole D1 squads each year, but Illinois generally has their pick of the litter.  and it's not just for basketball either, practically all the high school kids in CHI want to go to U of I for school as well.

They've really done a great job the last two classes, but look at the recruits ranked higher than any Illinois recruit that came out of Chicago before that:

2008:

DeAndre Liggins: UK
Inman Shumpert: GT
Michael Dunigan: Oregon

2007:

Derrick Rose: Memphis
Nayal Koshwal: Depaul
Evan Turner: Ohio State

2006:

Sherron Collins: KU
John Scheyer: Duke



You could keep going back, and find a similar pattern. Illinois hardly gets "the pick of the litter" from Chicago, over the long term.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: treysolid on March 31, 2011, 06:59:47 AM
I don't think it's fair to just list a bunch of players and then say "well, Illinois didn't get them so the draw isn't that great".  You've got to take things into account like, how many schollys did UI have that year? When did they offer kids? Who is their AAU coach tied in with? How much money did some of these other kids get to go other places (Davis, Rose, Collins, etc... let's be realistic here)?  The fact of the matter is that UI (especially under Weber) has a really high success rate pulling in the IL kids that they offer early.  Illinois seems to offer a select group of Chicago kids scholarships while they are still sophomores and they typically have them wrapped up before their senior year starts.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2011, 07:32:59 AM
I don't think it's fair to just list a bunch of players and then say "well, Illinois didn't get them so the draw isn't that great".  You've got to take things into account like, how many schollys did UI have that year? When did they offer kids? Who is their AAU coach tied in with? How much money did some of these other kids get to go other places (Davis, Rose, Collins, etc... let's be realistic here)?  The fact of the matter is that UI (especially under Weber) has a really high success rate pulling in the IL kids that they offer early.  Illinois seems to offer a select group of Chicago kids scholarships while they are still sophomores and they typically have them wrapped up before their senior year starts.

You're right, Weber either didn't want the kids I listed or they got paid. Seems much more fair.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: treysolid on March 31, 2011, 08:03:54 AM
I don't think it's fair to just list a bunch of players and then say "well, Illinois didn't get them so the draw isn't that great".  You've got to take things into account like, how many schollys did UI have that year? When did they offer kids? Who is their AAU coach tied in with? How much money did some of these other kids get to go other places (Davis, Rose, Collins, etc... let's be realistic here)?  The fact of the matter is that UI (especially under Weber) has a really high success rate pulling in the IL kids that they offer early.  Illinois seems to offer a select group of Chicago kids scholarships while they are still sophomores and they typically have them wrapped up before their senior year starts.

You're right, Weber either didn't want the kids I listed or they got paid. Seems much more fair.

Never said he didn't want them.  And as an aside, I think about 50% of the Top 150 kids every year get some sort of "incentive" from schools.  But there's only 13 spots on a team and there are other relationships to consider.  The fact of the matter is that UI culture in CHI is much bigger than you think it is, but i suppose I shouldn't expect a KS kid who lives in Mich to understand that. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2011, 08:07:12 AM
I don't think it's fair to just list a bunch of players and then say "well, Illinois didn't get them so the draw isn't that great".  You've got to take things into account like, how many schollys did UI have that year? When did they offer kids? Who is their AAU coach tied in with? How much money did some of these other kids get to go other places (Davis, Rose, Collins, etc... let's be realistic here)?  The fact of the matter is that UI (especially under Weber) has a really high success rate pulling in the IL kids that they offer early.  Illinois seems to offer a select group of Chicago kids scholarships while they are still sophomores and they typically have them wrapped up before their senior year starts.

You're right, Weber either didn't want the kids I listed or they got paid. Seems much more fair.

Never said he didn't want them.  And as an aside, I think about 50% of the Top 150 kids every year get some sort of "incentive" from schools.  But there's only 13 spots on a team and there are other relationships to consider.  The fact of the matter is that UI culture in CHI is much bigger than you think it is, but i suppose I shouldn't expect a KS kid who lives in Mich to understand that. 

How big do I think UI culture in Chicago is? :ck:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2011, 08:07:45 AM
but i suppose I shouldn't expect a KS kid who lives in Mich to understand that. 

 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on March 31, 2011, 08:10:37 AM
but i suppose I shouldn't expect a KS kid who lives in Mich to understand that. 

 :horrorsurprise:

I suppose I shouldn't expect a KS kid who lives in nebraska to understand anything about Mack Brown
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Saulbadguy on March 31, 2011, 08:12:00 AM
I don't think it's fair to just list a bunch of players and then say "well, Illinois didn't get them so the draw isn't that great".  You've got to take things into account like, how many schollys did UI have that year? When did they offer kids? Who is their AAU coach tied in with? How much money did some of these other kids get to go other places (Davis, Rose, Collins, etc... let's be realistic here)?  The fact of the matter is that UI (especially under Weber) has a really high success rate pulling in the IL kids that they offer early.  Illinois seems to offer a select group of Chicago kids scholarships while they are still sophomores and they typically have them wrapped up before their senior year starts.

You're right, Weber either didn't want the kids I listed or they got paid. Seems much more fair.

Never said he didn't want them.  And as an aside, I think about 50% of the Top 150 kids every year get some sort of "incentive" from schools.  But there's only 13 spots on a team and there are other relationships to consider.  The fact of the matter is that UI culture in CHI is much bigger than you think it is, but i suppose I shouldn't expect a KS kid who lives in Mich to understand that.  

How big do I think UI culture in Chicago is? :ck:
It's kinda like UMKC culture in Kansas City.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 31, 2011, 08:37:56 AM
Salaries of NCAA tourney coaches.

Anyone know what Frank's 500,000 bonus was?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-coaches-salary-database.htm


Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 31, 2011, 08:43:42 AM
Salaries of NCAA tourney coaches.

Anyone know what Frank's 500,000 bonus was?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-coaches-salary-database.htm




Surprised Roy is that low.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wetwillie on March 31, 2011, 08:48:07 AM
Salaries of NCAA tourney coaches.

Anyone know what Frank's 500,000 bonus was?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-coaches-salary-database.htm




Quote
North Carolina   Roy Williams   $1,655,000   NA   $1,655,000   $108,332

 :ck:

How do you win two NC's in the last 6 years and still get paid less than 15 coaches?

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on March 31, 2011, 10:36:32 AM
Brooks: http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/mizzou-targeting-3-candidates-including-shaka-29596

Doyel: http://gregg-doyel.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/5881996/28162513
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 31, 2011, 10:49:55 AM
doyel's a dumbass.  ou is the best job of the three.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Pete on March 31, 2011, 11:11:05 AM
doyel's a dumbass.  ou is the best job of the three.

Then why are the likes of Lon Kruger turning them down?  :dunno: 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on March 31, 2011, 11:11:51 AM
doyel's a dumbass.  ou is the best job of the three.

15 years ago, maybe. Now it's arguable that they're not even the best job in their state.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 31, 2011, 11:13:31 AM
doyel's a dumbass.  ou is the best job of the three.

ouhoops.com has gotten to you, hasn't it?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 31, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Then why are the likes of Lon Kruger turning them down?  :dunno: 

kruger turns down 4-5 schools every year.  he's not moving, people keep asking.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 31, 2011, 11:50:48 AM
15 years ago, maybe. Now it's arguable that they're not even the best job in their state.

that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  kstate isn't a better job than it was five years ago, ou isn't a worse job.  recent successes/failures are meaningless.


unless they move okc, move dallas and ou fball stops raking in money, clothing the entire state in crimson and getting on tv every week, ou will stay the 3rd best job in the big 12.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: jtksu on March 31, 2011, 12:03:24 PM
You really think the last 5 yrs have had no impact on the KSU job?  I gotta disagree with you on this one.  Seems like we have nunerous things going for us now that HCs would want, that we didn't have 5 yrs ago.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 31, 2011, 12:04:40 PM
15 years ago, maybe. Now it's arguable that they're not even the best job in their state.

that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  kstate isn't a better job than it was five years ago, ou isn't a worse job.  recent successes/failures are meaningless.


unless they move okc, move dallas and ou fball stops raking in money, clothing the entire state in crimson and getting on tv every week, ou will stay the 3rd best job in the big 12.

the dumbest part of doyel's piece was saying that mu isn't as good of a job because of no final fours compared to two. is george mason a better job than mu as well? what a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fact to try and support an opinion.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: KITNfury on March 31, 2011, 12:06:24 PM
15 years ago, maybe. Now it's arguable that they're not even the best job in their state.

that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  kstate isn't a better job than it was five years ago, ou isn't a worse job.  recent successes/failures are meaningless.


unless they move okc, move dallas and ou fball stops raking in money, clothing the entire state in crimson and getting on tv every week, ou will stay the 3rd best job in the big 12.
We are if you count the shiznizzle practice facility on the way.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 31, 2011, 12:10:37 PM
Didn't see this anywhere

Quote
Sports by Brooks
Towson: Offering $400K. AD Mike Waddell doing search himself. Dalonte Hill prob the favorite now. Lotsa baggage and he'd be taking paycut! Pat Kelsey and Russell Springmann, reported to be candidates, have no interest.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on March 31, 2011, 12:14:43 PM
is ou going to get in any ncaa trouble?  couldn't remember if that is fully resolved yet. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: OK_Cat on March 31, 2011, 12:28:48 PM
as of today, this very second, OU is at LEAST the 3rd best job in the state of Oklahoma.  maybe 4th.  OSU, ORU, and Tulsa are all arguably better. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2011, 12:30:53 PM
Didn't see this anywhere

Quote
Sports by Brooks
Towson: Offering $400K. AD Mike Waddell doing search himself. Dalonte Hill prob the favorite now. Lotsa baggage and he'd be taking paycut! Pat Kelsey and Russell Springmann, reported to be candidates, have no interest.

will take (love dalonte btw)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2011, 12:32:42 PM
(love dalonte btw)

I don't know. I'll have to see practice to see if he is more "animated" before I make my decision on 'te.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2011, 12:34:55 PM
Quote
Dr. Walrod

Almost on scholarship
Post #274
MyFanPage

Delante Gone???
 


and the most famous catbacker bigot outs his GPC handle to the world
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2011, 12:35:50 PM
(love dalonte btw)

I don't know. I'll have to see practice to see if he is more "animated" before I make my decision on 'te.

he's already done more for KSU than Tex Winter and Jack Hartman combined but you keep sitting on the fence
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on March 31, 2011, 12:59:17 PM
15 years ago, maybe. Now it's arguable that they're not even the best job in their state.

that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  kstate isn't a better job than it was five years ago, ou isn't a worse job.  recent successes/failures are meaningless.


unless they move okc, move dallas and ou fball stops raking in money, clothing the entire state in crimson and getting on tv every week, ou will stay the 3rd best job in the big 12.

Oklahoma State has more of a cultural (and possibly monetary, don't know the figures) investment in basketball than OU, so they'll have the same media market advantage in OKC. Plus, here's the thing, nobody in Dallas really gives that much of a crap about college hoops, but those that do divide up the shares pretty equally between the four texas schools, OU, OSU, and KU. OU doesn't have an inherent advantage over any of those schools I listed in terms of tv market when it comes to basketball besides Baylor and maybe (MAYBE) Tech. Sure, OU may have tons of money, but so does UT and A&M, and OU can't flood their Texas pipeline for recruits like they do in basketball. When football recruits in Texas go to OU over A&M, Tech, Baylor, and occasionally UT, there is a little bit less of a pushback since, well, they're OU football. But if you're an elite Texas basketball player, you look at UT, A&M, and KU before you even consider OU. Recruiting in Texas isn't going to get any easier for OU now that Gillispie is at Tech. Plus, given OSU having a better atmosphere, a history about on par with OU's and Boone Pickens being their sugar daddy and bringing state of the art facilities to Stillwater, I'd argue that OSU probably has about the same influence with recruits as OU.

And you can't possibly say that K-State isn't a better job now than it was five years ago. If Frank were to leave, our potential pool of coaching applicants would be of a higher quality than when Wooly left. If we were to make five Final Fours in a row, you bet your ass that this would become a much more attractive job. Success defines a program's place in the national and regional pecking order. A five year period may not mean much to most programs, but 15 to 20 years absolutely does, and for you to deny it means that you're just being obstreperous. Remember when Maryland, Wake Forest, and Arkansas used to be good?

Here's the thing about OU: their fans no longer give a single crap about basketball, they haven't had a boatload of recent success, and their national brand is nowhere near what it once was. You can get by as a very solid program with maybe one or two of those deficiencies (see: Texas fans not giving two shits), but you can't experience all of those factors without a decline in program prestige. I mean, it's not a bad job by any means, and the potential is there for a coach to do very, very well there. But 15 years ago, the up and coming coaches in the world would've banged down the door for a job like OU, and it would've been higher on the totem pole than either MU or NCSU. That's no longer the case.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2011, 01:02:23 PM
not really on this topic but this brought it up

Quote from:  bp
Frank knew Matt years BEFORE he knew Brad! & Delonte!

Matt gets the "toughest" game plan "scouts" [like Utah State]
over Brad & Delonte

Delonte was a good hire for the Player connections, improving as a Coach

Brad was a good hire for the Kansas State history & State connections, and
had Juco HC experience
Matt was John Pelphrey's TOP Assistant @ U South Alabama and @ U Arkansas
[for a couple of months]
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: doom on March 31, 2011, 01:08:06 PM
not really on this topic but this brought it up

Quote from:  bp
Frank knew Matt years BEFORE he knew Brad! & Delonte!

Matt gets the "toughest" game plan "scouts" [like Utah State]
over Brad & Delonte

Delonte was a good hire for the Player connections, improving as a Coach

Brad was a good hire for the Kansas State history & State connections, and
had Juco HC experience
Matt was John Pelphrey's TOP Assistant @ U South Alabama and @ U Arkansas
[for a couple of months]


Then why didn't Pelphrey take Matt with him?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 31, 2011, 01:12:05 PM
Success defines a program's place in the national and regional pecking order. A five year period may not mean much to most programs, but 15 to 20 years absolutely does.

fans think success defines a program's place in the pecking order, but they're either wrong, or they're confusing program prestige with job attractiveness.  short-term success does nothing to change how good a job is.  long-term success can, if it translates to increased support (fan), increased exposure, an increased budget and increased admin support (a.d. prioritization).

in kstate's case the facilities improvement makes it a better job.  but not much.  maybe we catch back up with isu or something, but basically it doesn't alter the pecking order within the conference.  the recent success may make the latent support for kstate bball more apparent, but it doesn't make it a better job.  that level of support for a moderately successful program always existed, and a candidate that was interested enough to research the job, or already familiar with it, would know that.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 31, 2011, 01:15:49 PM
not really on this topic but this brought it up

Quote from:  bp
Frank knew Matt years BEFORE he knew Brad! & Delonte!

Matt gets the "toughest" game plan "scouts" [like Utah State]
over Brad & Delonte

Delonte was a good hire for the Player connections, improving as a Coach

Brad was a good hire for the Kansas State history & State connections, and
had Juco HC experience
Matt was John Pelphrey's TOP Assistant @ U South Alabama and @ U Arkansas
[for a couple of months]


figgsey was demoted to dobo at arkansas when they moved there, i'm pretty sure.  not sure how that reconciles with "top asst" unless it was supposed to be a temp thing for some weird reason.

do agree that he's kstate's best asst/asst with best chance of someday being coach sevenfigga.  felels good to be aligned with bp.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Spaces on March 31, 2011, 01:19:53 PM
Quote
I think Brooks missed again on this one. If Dalonte has taken the job, it's a recent development and happened at the 12th hour. Everybody I know says Pitt's Pat Skerry is the odds on favorite to land the gig.

The official search is down to three people, and while Dalonte interviewed, he was eliminated from consideration. This according to Curtis Malone, one of Dalonte's closest friends.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2011, 01:20:57 PM
Quote
Curtis Malone, one of Dalonte's closest friends.


pfffftttt
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Trim on March 31, 2011, 01:46:34 PM
Quote
Curtis Malone, one of Dalonte's closest friends.


pfffftttt

'clams has a better relationship with Malone than Dalonte does.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 31, 2011, 02:42:15 PM
the gpc delante thread is one of the funniest in a long time.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: doom on March 31, 2011, 02:45:21 PM
the gpc delante thread is one of the funniest in a long time.

Please cut/paste gems.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EllToPay on March 31, 2011, 02:56:15 PM
the gpc delante thread is one of the funniest in a long time.

Please cut/paste gems.


yes.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 31, 2011, 02:59:00 PM
the gpc delante thread is one of the funniest in a long time.

Please cut/paste gems.

it wouldn't translate without the context.  most of the humor derives from cassidy posting (in a different thread) about halfway through that hill interviewed but was not selected as a finalist and the tucks almost universally ignoring him to keep posting that we'll be ok without him, sending goodbye best wishes, discussing what to do with all the money freed up by a cheaper replacement coach, arguing about who he recruited & who he didn't and debating who might replace him.  also about 1 in 3 spells his name correctly.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MakeItRain on March 31, 2011, 03:00:45 PM
not really on this topic but this brought it up

Quote from:  bp
Frank knew Matt years BEFORE he knew Brad! & Delonte!

Matt gets the "toughest" game plan "scouts" [like Utah State]
over Brad & Delonte

Delonte was a good hire for the Player connections, improving as a Coach

Brad was a good hire for the Kansas State history & State connections, and
had Juco HC experience
Matt was John Pelphrey's TOP Assistant @ U South Alabama and @ U Arkansas
[for a couple of months]


figgsey was demoted to dobo at arkansas when they moved there, i'm pretty sure.  not sure how that reconciles with "top asst" unless it was supposed to be a temp thing for some weird reason.

do agree that he's kstate's best asst/asst with best chance of someday being coach sevenfigga.  felels good to be aligned with bp.

Why would Utah State be a tough scout?  Also I'm 95% certain that I've heard Frank say that he doesn't assign the scout, they just rotate, take turns.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on March 31, 2011, 03:03:52 PM
I'm 95% certain that I've heard Frank say that he doesn't assign the scout, they just rotate, take turns.

yeah, pretty sure you're right.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 31, 2011, 03:10:28 PM
Marshall's name coming up a lot in relation to NC State, as well as Smart.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on March 31, 2011, 07:01:47 PM
Marshall's name coming up a lot in relation to NC State, as well as Smart.


If any BCS school in a state with 'Carolina' in it offers him, he'll just fly there from New York and never even set foot in Wichita again.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 31, 2011, 07:32:49 PM
15 years ago, maybe. Now it's arguable that they're not even the best job in their state.

that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  kstate isn't a better job than it was five years ago, ou isn't a worse job.  recent successes/failures are meaningless.


unless they move okc, move dallas and ou fball stops raking in money, clothing the entire state in crimson and getting on tv every week, ou will stay the 3rd best job in the big 12.

You've been saying a lot of stupid crap lately.  Why so off your game?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Rams on March 31, 2011, 07:51:52 PM
the gpc delante thread is one of the funniest in a long time.

Please cut/paste gems.

it wouldn't translate without the context.  most of the humor derives from cassidy posting (in a different thread) about halfway through that hill interviewed but was not selected as a finalist and the tucks almost universally ignoring him to keep posting that we'll be ok without him, sending goodbye best wishes, discussing what to do with all the money freed up by a cheaper replacement coach, arguing about who he recruited & who he didn't and debating who might replace him.  also about 1 in 3 spells his name correctly.

That's really the only reason I keep GPC.  All the 'tards that use thread view completely miss all the important replies and then get PI'd (as weak as the PI'ing is over there) for the rest of the thread. 

Incidentally, the funniest thread I ever saw there was some dude told people to post their email and he'd tell them what BV did.  Every page there were 7 or 8 people laughing and making fun of all the morons that were posting their emails and the rest of the posts were morons still posting their emails.  It went about 4 or 5 pages and 3 or 4 days...which is EPIC for GPC.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: OK_Cat on March 31, 2011, 08:02:43 PM
newest name being thrown around down here in regards to the OU job is Steve Robinson

"Robinson was an assistant under Roy Williams, coached for a season at Tulsa with players Tubby Smith recruited, then went to Florida State and failed miserably as their coach.  He then went back to Kansas as an assistant under Roy Williams and then followed Roy to North Carolina." 

 :lol:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Rams on March 31, 2011, 08:06:15 PM
newest name being thrown around down here in regards to the OU job is Steve Robinson

"Robinson was an assistant under Roy Williams, coached for a season at Tulsa with players Tubby Smith recruited, then went to Florida State and failed miserably as their coach.  He then went back to Kansas as an assistant under Roy Williams and then followed Roy to North Carolina." 

 :lol:

:facepalm:

Jeezus.  They really don't give a crap, do they?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 01, 2011, 01:18:37 PM
http://newsok.com/sources-ou-expected-to-name-lon-kruger-mens-basketball-coach/article/3554487?custom_click=lead_story_title

pretty bigtime if true.  could also free up my favorite canadian for figger.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 01, 2011, 01:20:54 PM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Oklahoman reporting Lon Kruger taking Sooners job. My source: ``Not done yet; Kruger has turned it down twice. OU won't take no for answer."
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 01, 2011, 01:21:30 PM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Oklahoman reporting Lon Kruger taking Sooners job. My source: ``Not done yet; Kruger has turned it down twice. OU won't take no for answer."

 :love:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 01, 2011, 01:44:46 PM
Quote
ryanmgreene Ryan Greene
Was in a spring football meeting, but just got confirmation from a source: Kruger to #Oklahoma all but a done deal #UNLV

Quote
ryanmgreene Ryan Greene
Was told my report two days ago was accurate, but #Oklahoma's third offer too good to say no to. Hearing it's a 7-year deal. #UNLV
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on April 01, 2011, 01:46:01 PM
great hire by OU
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on April 01, 2011, 01:47:49 PM
great hire by OU

This. Lon is a good coach. I wonder if he'll find the players to fit his runner/floater offense at OU.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 01, 2011, 01:49:27 PM
Wolken spreading his knowledge.

Quote
DanWolken Dan Wolken
Don't know how much UNLV can pay, but I'd rather have that job than N.C. State or Mizzou
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 01, 2011, 01:49:52 PM
Glad it's Kruger instead of Buzz.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 01, 2011, 01:52:24 PM
Glad it's Kruger instead of Buzz.

i'm happy for ou, not for kstate.  = to buzz.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on April 01, 2011, 01:54:29 PM
not for kstate

meh
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: OK_Cat on April 01, 2011, 02:00:57 PM
amazing hire for OU, just what they needed....stability and a proven coach for several years.  Not sure that he's going to make them a 1st tier conference team, but they won't be down with iowa state anymore.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: SoonerHoopsfan on April 01, 2011, 02:05:57 PM
Woo Hoo, KSU's sloppy seconds!
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 01, 2011, 02:06:58 PM
yeah, capel scares me more than kruger. (recruiting)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 01, 2011, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: altman @ ksu & oregon
woo hoo, lonnie's sloppy seconds!

don't make the same mistake in five years.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 01, 2011, 02:08:29 PM
Quote
tsnmike Michael DeCourcy
Lon Kruger? How is it that Oklahoma keeps making the wrong basketball hire? I'm convinced there really is no direction for that program.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 01, 2011, 02:09:51 PM
yeah, capel scares me more than kruger. (recruiting)

following tmg and gallon, rumors had tx aau coaches as capel hating.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kougar24 on April 01, 2011, 02:11:17 PM
great hire by OU

meh.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 01, 2011, 02:11:33 PM
yeah, capel scares me more than kruger. (recruiting)

following tmg and gallon, rumors had tx aau coaches as capel hating.

well, buzz would scare me more, then.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 01, 2011, 02:13:48 PM
well, buzz would scare me more, then.

yeah, he would have been a monster.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 01, 2011, 02:14:57 PM
http://www.lvrj.com/sports/lon-gone-kruger-accepts-oklahoma-offer-119076989.html

(Don't care if that's been posted already, I didn't see it and that's all that matters)

Maybe Frank and Lon can try and out recruit each other on the "right fit 3 star trail to mediocrity".

I just hope that Frank finds a way to get more Pullen 3 star types than Nick Russell 3 star types.



Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kougar24 on April 01, 2011, 02:19:19 PM
Kruger + OU = Anderson + MU - extended family ties - fabricated home court advantage

again: meh.
Title: Warm up your cheerleaders!
Post by: Fedor on April 01, 2011, 02:19:30 PM
Lonny to OU.

http://newsok.com/sources-ou-expected-to-name-lon-kruger-mens-basketball-coach/article/3554487?custom_click=lead_story_title
Title: Re: Warm up your cheerleaders!
Post by: OK_Cat on April 01, 2011, 02:20:03 PM
:deadhorse:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: SoonerHoopsfan on April 01, 2011, 02:30:26 PM
I am going to get Eddie Sutton, piss on an school wall drunk tonight to celebrate this ish.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: OK_Cat on April 01, 2011, 02:34:37 PM
i can't see lon krueger helping with attendance much.  lloyd noble will still be pretty empty until they get results.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: econocat on April 01, 2011, 02:34:51 PM
Gonna be some culture shock going from Las Vegas to Norman Oklahoma  :eek:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 01, 2011, 02:37:31 PM
I am going to get Eddie Sutton, piss on an school wall drunk tonight to celebrate this ish.

There is a growing contingent of ku fans, Sayers among them, who are preparing to award OU the 1988 National Title because it was the better team, so, things are really going well for SoonerHoopsfan this week.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: SoonerHoopsfan on April 01, 2011, 02:40:26 PM
i can't see lon krueger helping with attendance much.  lloyd noble will still be pretty empty until they get results.
But there is a rough ridin' chance OU can win some goddamn games now. last two years I went into many games in big 12 expecting to fuckign lose and get thrown into a sink by mario little.

Also its not like OU will ever have great attendance again, being a football school + thunder up the road = eff that.

Limestone are you trying to make me jizz my pants? 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 01, 2011, 02:41:40 PM
I'm dead serious.  "Danny and the Miracles" were a huge cinderella and certianly didn't win the right way.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 01, 2011, 02:41:45 PM
SHF . . . please send/post video of your night tonight
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 01, 2011, 02:42:51 PM
I'm dead serious.  "Danny and the Miracles" were a huge cinderella and certianly didn't win the right way.

Can you expand on this Stony . . . is this a Sayersism??

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 01, 2011, 02:46:39 PM
I'm dead serious.  "Danny and the Miracles" were a huge cinderella and certianly didn't win the right way.

Can you expand on this Stony . . . is this a Sayersism??



Check the thread where Pete's deep sea rod got busted.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: SoonerHoopsfan on April 01, 2011, 02:47:27 PM
I'm dead serious.  "Danny and the Miracles" were a huge cinderella and certianly didn't win the right way.
I rough ridin' hate Danny Manning with a burning passion, that was OU's goddamn national title.  eff you Danny Manning, eff you.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: bakerman on April 01, 2011, 02:58:16 PM
I'm dead serious.  "Danny and the Miracles" were a huge cinderella and certianly didn't win the right way.

Can you expand on this Stony . . . is this a Sayersism??



http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=12304.35
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 01, 2011, 02:58:55 PM
I'm dead serious.  "Danny and the Miracles" were a huge cinderella and certianly didn't win the right way.

Can you expand on this Stony . . . is this a Sayersism??



Check the thread where Pete's deep sea rod got busted.

 :ck:


Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wetwillie on April 01, 2011, 03:03:04 PM
I'm dead serious.  "Danny and the Miracles" were a huge cinderella and certianly didn't win the right way.

Can you expand on this Stony . . . is this a Sayersism??



Check the thread where Pete's deep sea rod got busted.

 :ck:




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Irrelevant. Like I said, a National Champion should have some sort of body of work that they can rest their laurels on. 35 wins and a 7th consecutive conference title is a body of work. Even 11 losses in a big boy conference back in 88 was above average. I guess that kitty team wasn't that good that year?

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on April 01, 2011, 03:04:48 PM
jfc.  take his jersey out of the rafters.  that guy has done nothing but F ksu in the A.  Hey Lon, EMAS.  jerkstore.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: BW on April 01, 2011, 04:17:41 PM
http://www.ktul.com/Global/story.asp?S=14367618 (http://www.ktul.com/Global/story.asp?S=14367618)

Kruger Tells TV Station He's Staying In Vegas

Despite reports that UNLV's Lon Kruger is to become the next head coach at the University of Oklahoma, a television station in Las Vegas says they just spoke with the coach and he says he's staying put.

The reports came hot and heavy this afternoon that Kruger -- who just led the Runnin' Rebels to their fourth NCAA Tournament appearance in his seven seasons -- would become the next head coach at OU and some even saying the deal was worth two million dollars a year for seven years.

But, Chris Maathuis at KLAS-TV in Las Vegas reports he spoke with Kruger and that he said he is staying at UNLV.

There has been no word out of Norman on the reports and so far, the only person who has interviewed for the job is Terry Evans, a former OU player and current head coach at the University of Central Oklahoma.

The report could be just the latest one to have OU nabbing a head coach only to have it be debunked. Earlier this week, reports had Illinois head coach Brucer Weber being the guy, only to have him announce he was staying with the Illini.

Others whose names have been linked to the OU job include Memphis Josh Pastner, Marquette's Buzz Williams and even Virginia Commonwealth's Shaka Smart, whose Rams play in the Final Four tomorrow night.

Kruger began his head coaching career in 1982 at Texas-Pan American, taking the Broncs to a 20-8 record in his final season before taking the head coaching job at his alma mater, Kansas State.

There, he guided the Wildcats to an Elite 8 appearance in his second season.

Kruger would go on to coach at Florida, reaching the Final Four in 1994 and later on to Illinois, where his Fighting Illini teams made the NCAA Tournament in three of four seasons.

He also coached the NBA's Atlanta Hawks from 2000 to 2003 and was an assistant with the Knicks in 2003-04 before jumping back into the collegiate ranks at UNLV in 2004-05.

In seven seasons, UNLV won nearly 70-percent of the games he coached and the Runnin' Rebels made the tournament four times, including a Sweet 16 appearance in 2007.

This season, UNLV suffered a first round loss to Illinois here at Tulsa's BOK Center.

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MadCat on April 01, 2011, 04:22:17 PM
http://www.ktul.com/Global/story.asp?S=14367618 (http://www.ktul.com/Global/story.asp?S=14367618)

Kruger Tells TV Station He's Staying In Vegas

Despite reports that UNLV's Lon Kruger is to become the next head coach at the University of Oklahoma, a television station in Las Vegas says they just spoke with the coach and he says he's staying put.

The reports came hot and heavy this afternoon that Kruger -- who just led the Runnin' Rebels to their fourth NCAA Tournament appearance in his seven seasons -- would become the next head coach at OU and some even saying the deal was worth two million dollars a year for seven years.

But, Chris Maathuis at KLAS-TV in Las Vegas reports he spoke with Kruger and that he said he is staying at UNLV.

There has been no word out of Norman on the reports and so far, the only person who has interviewed for the job is Terry Evans, a former OU player and current head coach at the University of Central Oklahoma.

The report could be just the latest one to have OU nabbing a head coach only to have it be debunked. Earlier this week, reports had Illinois head coach Brucer Weber being the guy, only to have him announce he was staying with the Illini.

Others whose names have been linked to the OU job include Memphis Josh Pastner, Marquette's Buzz Williams and even Virginia Commonwealth's Shaka Smart, whose Rams play in the Final Four tomorrow night.

Kruger began his head coaching career in 1982 at Texas-Pan American, taking the Broncs to a 20-8 record in his final season before taking the head coaching job at his alma mater, Kansas State.

There, he guided the Wildcats to an Elite 8 appearance in his second season.

Kruger would go on to coach at Florida, reaching the Final Four in 1994 and later on to Illinois, where his Fighting Illini teams made the NCAA Tournament in three of four seasons.

He also coached the NBA's Atlanta Hawks from 2000 to 2003 and was an assistant with the Knicks in 2003-04 before jumping back into the collegiate ranks at UNLV in 2004-05.

In seven seasons, UNLV won nearly 70-percent of the games he coached and the Runnin' Rebels made the tournament four times, including a Sweet 16 appearance in 2007.

This season, UNLV suffered a first round loss to Illinois here at Tulsa's BOK Center.


:horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 01, 2011, 04:34:35 PM
Great April Fool's prank by OU.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: SoonerHoopsfan on April 01, 2011, 04:39:32 PM
[redacted], I am going to keep drinking though.  That way it wont matter either way. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: goldenticket on April 01, 2011, 05:06:07 PM
espn says it will happen too

Oklahoma will name UNLV's Lon Kruger as its men's basketball coach, a source with direct knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6281370)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on April 01, 2011, 05:42:03 PM
Is anyone else flabbergasted that Frank didn't do this to us?  I mean, he had documented money on the table and the only place that talked about it was this place. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 01, 2011, 06:49:56 PM
Quote
ryanmgreene Ryan Greene
Confirmed: Kruger to #Oklahoma is 100 percent, etch-it-in-stone official. #UNLV
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wetwillie on April 01, 2011, 06:51:03 PM
Quote
ryanmgreene Ryan Greene
Confirmed: Kruger to #Oklahoma is 100 percent, etch-it-in-stone official. #UNLV

Hope soonershoopsfan finds this info before he does something drastic.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: pike on April 01, 2011, 07:17:34 PM
OU loves them their KSU coaches
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on April 01, 2011, 10:30:22 PM
Lance Veezer(SP) said it.  Gotta be true.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cire on April 01, 2011, 11:48:42 PM
Eff that guy
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: nicname on April 02, 2011, 12:16:58 AM
2.2 per?  What is Frank getting these days.  Looks like we are going to have to up the ante.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 02, 2011, 07:36:16 AM
amazing hire for OU, just what they needed....stability and a proven coach for several years.  Not sure that he's going to make them a 1st tier conference team, but they won't be down with iowa state anymore.

The Waters Begin to Calm
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 02, 2011, 04:40:18 PM
Jason King Yahoo Twitter.  Trying to sabotage EMAW.    :comehere:

Quote
Also heavily discussed: Frank Martin and Reggie Theus as top candidates at UNLV.
7 minutes ago via web
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on April 02, 2011, 04:44:44 PM
Jason King Yahoo Twitter.  Trying to sabotage EMAW.    :comehere:

Quote
Also heavily discussed: Frank Martin and Reggie Theus as top candidates at UNLV.
7 minutes ago via web


Pfft.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on April 02, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
Kinda chaps me that I have more goddamn attachment to KSU than Lon Kruger does.    :angry:

Guarantee he's a KSU-killer @ OU.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Pete on April 02, 2011, 09:43:33 PM
Kinda chaps me that I have more goddamn attachment to KSU than Lon Kruger does.    :angry:

Guarantee he's a KSU-killer @ OU.

We need to burn Silver Lake to the rough ridin' ground.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: doom on April 02, 2011, 09:46:27 PM
Kinda chaps me that I have more goddamn attachment to KSU than Lon Kruger does.    :angry:

Guarantee he's a KSU-killer @ OU.

We need to burn Silver Lake to the effing ground.

His nephew is a bitch. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on April 02, 2011, 10:29:32 PM
Jason King Yahoo Twitter.  Trying to sabotage EMAW.    :comehere:

Quote
Also heavily discussed: Frank Martin and Reggie Theus as top candidates at UNLV.
7 minutes ago via web


Jason King has always sucked a bag of dicks and doesn't have the brains God gave a piss ant.

UNLV may want him, but that's a step back.  We could match any offer they'd muster.  The fact that he'd even report that is rough ridin' stupid.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: doom on April 02, 2011, 10:31:49 PM
Jason King Yahoo Twitter.  Trying to sabotage EMAW.    :comehere:

Quote
Also heavily discussed: Frank Martin and Reggie Theus as top candidates at UNLV.
7 minutes ago via web


Jason King has always sucked a bag of dicks and doesn't have the brains God gave a piss ant.

UNLV may want him, but that's a step back.  We could match any offer they'd muster.  The fact that he'd even report that is effing stupid.

They paid Lon 1.1 or less.  Doesn't frank make 1.5?  GMAFB.  Yeah.  He'll go to the Mountain West for less money.   :curse:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on April 02, 2011, 10:33:45 PM
Jason King Yahoo Twitter.  Trying to sabotage EMAW.    :comehere:

Quote
Also heavily discussed: Frank Martin and Reggie Theus as top candidates at UNLV.
7 minutes ago via web


Jason King has always sucked a bag of dicks and doesn't have the brains God gave a piss ant.

UNLV may want him, but that's a step back.  We could match any offer they'd muster.  The fact that he'd even report that is effing stupid.

They paid Lon 1.1 or less.  Doesn't frank make 1.5?  GMAFB.  Yeah.  He'll go to the Mountain West for less money.   :curse:


Jason King is an abomination.  He was a joke at the Star and now he's shitting all over Yahoo.

They had him on 610 the other day.  JFC, he's one of the worst college basketball writers I've ever read/heard.  The fact that he put this on his Twitter page is proof that he has no radar for what's scoop and what's bullshit.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 03, 2011, 12:03:55 AM
Jason King Yahoo Twitter.  Trying to sabotage EMAW.    :comehere:

Quote
Also heavily discussed: Frank Martin and Reggie Theus as top candidates at UNLV.
7 minutes ago via web


Jason King has always sucked a bag of dicks and doesn't have the brains God gave a piss ant.

UNLV may want him, but that's a step back.  We could match any offer they'd muster.  The fact that he'd even report that is effing stupid.

They paid Lon 1.1 or less.  Doesn't frank make 1.5?  GMAFB.  Yeah.  He'll go to the Mountain West for less money.   :curse:


no kidding. UNLV is in deep financial crap and won't be paying crap for a coach. jfc
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: pike on April 03, 2011, 12:11:16 AM
Any word on MU  :runaway:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 03, 2011, 12:13:00 AM
Also, JK thinks UNLV is a better job.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wabash909 on April 03, 2011, 07:34:37 AM
Somebody needs to choke this effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) out.

Quote
@JasonKingYahoo:  If you were a 20-year-old kid or, hell, a coach - where would you rather live? Las Vegas or Manhattan, KS?
Twitter 4/3/11 7:22 AM


Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cire on April 03, 2011, 08:56:26 AM
He's butthurt about the tourney and taking it out on the qats
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Panjandrum on April 03, 2011, 08:59:54 AM
Also, JK thinks UNLV is a better job.

Of course he does.  He was stupid enough to go to Baylor.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Trim on April 03, 2011, 09:31:21 AM
Somebody needs to choke this effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) out.

Quote
@JasonKingYahoo:  If you were a 20-year-old kid or, hell, a coach - where would you rather live? Las Vegas or Manhattan, KS?
Twitter 4/3/11 7:22 AM




I'm gonna start a university in Cancun.  WARM UP GETTING EVERY RECRUIT EVER, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!  LOL at Duke and North Carolina thinking they can be better at basketball than TU (Trim University) when they're in lame-ass NC.  Speaking of which, between Roy and Coach K, which one (or both) should I demote to an assistant?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wabash909 on April 03, 2011, 09:56:38 AM
Somebody needs to choke this effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) out.

Quote
@JasonKingYahoo:  If you were a 20-year-old kid or, hell, a coach - where would you rather live? Las Vegas or Manhattan, KS?
Twitter 4/3/11 7:22 AM




I'm gonna start a university in Cancun.  WARM UP GETTING EVERY RECRUIT EVER, MOTHEReffERS!!!  LOL at Duke and North Carolina thinking they can be better at basketball than TU (Trim University) when they're in lame-ass NC.  Speaking of which, between Roy and Coach K, which one (or both) should I demote to an assistant?

Roy.  Make him the coach at your Grand Cayman Islands campus.  Although, there's not really any "making" about it.  What coach or player in their right mind wouldn't jump on the first life boat from the cachole in Chapel Hill North Carolina for that basketball paradise?

Serious question.

 


Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Trim on April 03, 2011, 10:06:20 AM
Somebody needs to choke this effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) out.

Quote
@JasonKingYahoo:  If you were a 20-year-old kid or, hell, a coach - where would you rather live? Las Vegas or Manhattan, KS?
Twitter 4/3/11 7:22 AM




I'm gonna start a university in Cancun.  WARM UP GETTING EVERY RECRUIT EVER, MOTHEReffERS!!!  LOL at Duke and North Carolina thinking they can be better at basketball than TU (Trim University) when they're in lame-ass NC.  Speaking of which, between Roy and Coach K, which one (or both) should I demote to an assistant?

Roy.  Make him the coach at your Grand Cayman Islands campus.  Although, there's not really any "making" about it.  What coach or player in their right mind wouldn't jump catch the first life boat from that shithole Chapel Hill North Carolina for that basketball paradise?

Serious question.

 




I'm thinking of some European campuses as well, but I'm not sure how hoops scheduling will work out.  Of course, it'll probably work out just fine as loser schools like Indiana and Kentucky (lol) will do about anything for the privilege of playing in my elite locations.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wabash909 on April 03, 2011, 10:32:35 AM
Somebody needs to choke this effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) out.

Quote
@JasonKingYahoo:  If you were a 20-year-old kid or, hell, a coach - where would you rather live? Las Vegas or Manhattan, KS?
Twitter 4/3/11 7:22 AM




I'm gonna start a university in Cancun.  WARM UP GETTING EVERY RECRUIT EVER, MOTHEReffERS!!!  LOL at Duke and North Carolina thinking they can be better at basketball than TU (Trim University) when they're in lame-ass NC.  Speaking of which, between Roy and Coach K, which one (or both) should I demote to an assistant?

Roy.  Make him the coach at your Grand Cayman Islands campus.  Although, there's not really any "making" about it.  What coach or player in their right mind wouldn't jump catch the first life boat from that cachole Chapel Hill North Carolina for that basketball paradise?

Serious question.

 




I'm thinking of some European campuses as well, but I'm not sure how hoops scheduling will work out.  Of course, it'll probably work out just fine as loser schools like Indiana and Kentucky (lol) will do about anything for the privilege of playing in my elite locations.


Both Ibiza and Monaco are roundball hotbeds.  I'd start there and then move on to less sexy destinations.





Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wabash909 on April 03, 2011, 10:37:37 AM
As crazy as it sounds, Jason King might be on to something here.

When it comes to basketball destinations for BCS Coaches, a mid-major in a hoops hotbed conference like the Mountain West minus BYU and Utah sounds pretty effing atractive right now...

 :bracketmouse:



Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Trim on April 03, 2011, 10:39:45 AM
Ryan Greene tweeted yesterday that UNLV would struggle to pay $1m to the next coach.  I told him I'd take it for $800K, but that's me - I really rough ridin' love Vegas.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wabash909 on April 03, 2011, 10:44:50 AM
Ryan Greene tweeted yesterday that UNLV would struggle to pay $1m to the next coach.  I told him I'd take it for $800K, but that's me - I really effing love Vegas.

Me too.  And if half of my incentive base was paid through casino comps and hookers, I probably wouldn't even turn it down.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 03, 2011, 10:47:49 AM
Quote
espn
 
Utah Utes hire New Jersey Nets assistant Larry Krystkowiak as coach - http://es.pn/ekCmlD

 :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: ChiCat on April 03, 2011, 11:54:01 AM
Ryan Greene tweeted yesterday that UNLV would struggle to pay $1m to the next coach.  I told him I'd take it for $800K, but that's me - I really rough ridin' love Vegas.

I'm headed there tomorrow to see about setting up an interview/turning in app.  At mid-majors, do they expect you to dress like business casual or anything when your turning in the app?  I'm thinking chinos and a decent button up here but don't want to be too dressy...
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MadCat on April 03, 2011, 12:21:41 PM
Ryan Greene tweeted yesterday that UNLV would struggle to pay $1m to the next coach.  I told him I'd take it for $800K, but that's me - I really rough ridin' love Vegas.

I'm headed there tomorrow to see about setting up an interview/turning in app.  At mid-majors, do they expect you to dress like business casual or anything when your turning in the app?  I'm thinking chinos and a decent button up here but don't want to be too dressy...

Whatever Pat Knight wears should be good enough.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Trim on April 03, 2011, 12:51:19 PM
Ryan Greene tweeted yesterday that UNLV would struggle to pay $1m to the next coach.  I told him I'd take it for $800K, but that's me - I really rough ridin' love Vegas.

I'm headed there tomorrow to see about setting up an interview/turning in app.  At mid-majors, do they expect you to dress like business casual or anything when your turning in the app?  I'm thinking chinos and a decent button up here but don't want to be too dressy...

From what I've gathered, the most critical element of all these coaching transactions is location.  So to show them you're serious, I'd pick up head-to-toe Vegas tourist wear at the airport and change into that before heading over to the T&M.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 03, 2011, 02:09:40 PM
Just hosted the first group of recruits at LSA&M, Banff campus this weekend.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2011, 09:07:42 PM
Somebody needs to choke this effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) out.

Quote
@JasonKingYahoo:  If you were a 20-year-old kid or, hell, a coach - where would you rather live? Las Vegas or Manhattan, KS?
Twitter 4/3/11 7:22 AM




he's got a point.  no coach would ever leave Vegas for a small town on the plains, where football is king anyway
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: jtksu on April 03, 2011, 09:46:23 PM
What can a 20 yr old kid do in Vegas anyway? 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: CNS on April 03, 2011, 09:54:52 PM
What can a 20 yr old D1 athlete do in Vegas anyway? 

Anything he rough ridin' wants.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MadCat on April 03, 2011, 09:58:09 PM
What can a 20 yr old kid do in Vegas anyway? 

Your mom.

*This insult brought to you by the '90s.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 03, 2011, 10:28:36 PM
lol.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/haith-negotiating-with-missouri-for-hoops-job-29604
Title: EVERYBODY STAY CALM!!!
Post by: kcchiefdav on April 03, 2011, 10:38:15 PM
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/haith-negotiating-with-missouri-for-hoops-job-29604

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Multiple sources confirmed to me Sunday evening that University of Miami basketball coach Frank Haith is in negotiations with the University of Missouri to become its next basketball coach.
Title: Re: EVERYBODY STAY CALM!!!
Post by: pike on April 03, 2011, 10:40:40 PM
repost


but  :runaway:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on April 03, 2011, 10:41:47 PM
lol.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/haith-negotiating-with-missouri-for-hoops-job-29604

what is this i don't even
Title: Re: EVERYBODY STAY CALM!!!
Post by: kcchiefdav on April 03, 2011, 10:46:14 PM
repost


but  :runaway:

CAC! I didn't check the masterthread.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Spaces on April 03, 2011, 10:54:32 PM
lol.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/haith-negotiating-with-missouri-for-hoops-job-29604

what is this i don't even
  :users:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 03, 2011, 11:01:23 PM
Quote
JoeWalljasper Joe Walljasper
Got confirmation that the University of Miami's Frank Haith has agreed to be Missouri's basketball coach.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2011, 11:01:55 PM
Jason King Yahoo Twitter.  Trying to sabotage EMAW.    :comehere:

Quote
Also heavily discussed: Frank Martin and Reggie Theus as top candidates at UNLV.
7 minutes ago via web


Jason King has always sucked a bag of dicks and doesn't have the brains God gave a piss ant.

UNLV may want him, but that's a step back.  We could match any offer they'd muster.  The fact that he'd even report that is rough ridin' stupid.

The funny part of this tweet for me is seeing Frank coupled with Reggie Theus.  Its like shopping for a car & trying to decide between a Lexus and a '96 Ford Taurus
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wetwillie on April 03, 2011, 11:02:45 PM
crap just got real
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on April 03, 2011, 11:04:06 PM
My KITN-sense is tingling
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2011, 11:05:01 PM
lol.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/haith-negotiating-with-missouri-for-hoops-job-29604

CartierFor3's spidey sense is tingling..........  trouble is on the way
Title: Re: EVERYBODY STAY CALM!!!
Post by: MakeItRain on April 03, 2011, 11:05:06 PM
There's a really good thread about this stuff, you should check it out
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2011, 11:06:10 PM
My KITN-sense is tingling

damn it 42
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: j rake on April 03, 2011, 11:08:06 PM
SEE U LATER!
Martin bolts K-State for Miami
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cackle on April 03, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
oscar pearl plz.  sleazy disgraced recently fired coach worked out well for us last time.  maybe he'll bring some big time recruits that we can hire an assistant to keep when he leaves for his alma mater
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2011, 11:13:11 PM
Currie better get that rough ridin' checkbook ready.  If he and the tucks eff this up..............
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 03, 2011, 11:14:00 PM
Wow Missouri is scraping the bottom of the barrel on their coaching search, almost as hard as the K-State staff is scraping the bottom of the barrel on the 2011 recruiting trail.

Have we speculated yet if Pearl would wear a purple sports jacket??

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 03, 2011, 11:16:08 PM
Got to be a blessing Scott is a gaucho transfer U!  :gocho:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: j-dub on April 03, 2011, 11:17:20 PM
was really looking forward to watching angel  :cry:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2011, 11:18:10 PM
@gregdoyelcbs

Quote
Frank Martin is a Miami guy. The city, not the school. Would own recruiting there. Trust me, he'd CRAWL there.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2011, 11:18:52 PM
Pearl is our only hope. :frown:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: j-dub on April 03, 2011, 11:20:51 PM
pearl is gonna get show-caused.

it's all over.  :cry:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 03, 2011, 11:21:01 PM
jfc, i go to watch a tv show. I come back, and this crap happens? wtf
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on April 03, 2011, 11:21:13 PM
pearl is gonna get show-caused.

it's all over.  :cry:

yep
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Scary Smart on April 03, 2011, 11:22:31 PM
 :runaway:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2011, 11:22:53 PM
I'm going to rough ridin' lose it when we hire Underwood.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: j-dub on April 03, 2011, 11:24:18 PM
pearl is gonna get show-caused.

it's all over.  :cry:

yep

sorry 42. you should probably return to emaj. it won't be pleasant in these parts.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wetwillie on April 03, 2011, 11:25:36 PM
Somewhere ADJC has a foot long rager that won't be subsiding for a long time.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 03, 2011, 11:26:10 PM
I would love Frank forever if he stays. :frown: goddamnit Mizzou. You just mumped over two big 12 schools.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 03, 2011, 11:27:32 PM
But really  :lol:  at Mizzou if they hire Haith.

If I was a Mizzou fan, I'd want Alden's head on a rough ridin' stick.

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: j-dub on April 03, 2011, 11:28:06 PM
joke's on us dax. joke's on us.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2011, 11:28:39 PM
I would love Frank forever if he stays. :frown: goddamnit Mizzou. You just mumped over two big 12 schools.

The problem is that there will never be a more perfect time for him to go.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: ben_dover919 on April 03, 2011, 11:29:30 PM
we talk about zenger being a manchurian candidate but it looks like ku was way ahead of us cuz alden has to be a manchurian candidate for ku. that is the only explanation for this hire..he just ruined ku's two biggest rivals with one hire!!
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 03, 2011, 11:29:37 PM
I know Rusty, I know. :frown:

Quote
mellinger Sam Mellinger
He gone, and GREAT timing for him RT @admcgregor3: @mellinger what's your take on the possible ramifications for Frank Martin and #Kstate?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on April 03, 2011, 11:29:49 PM
But really  :lol:  at Mizzou if they hire Haith.

If I was a Mizzou fan, I'd want Alden's head on a rough ridin' stick.



The fact that he is a graduate of my undergrad alma mater continues to bring endless shame to me.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: SoonerHoopsfan on April 03, 2011, 11:30:07 PM
He's pointing Frank south, to South Beach

(http://www.mensbasketballhoopscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Lon-Kruger-unlv-rebels-basketball-youth-basketball-offenses-simple-basketball-plays-basketball-playbooks1.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2011, 11:31:34 PM
He's pointing Frank south, to South Beach

(http://www.mensbasketballhoopscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Lon-Kruger-unlv-rebels-basketball-youth-basketball-offenses-simple-basketball-plays-basketball-playbooks1.jpg)

i hope you get in a car crash
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 03, 2011, 11:31:53 PM
do you guys read the miami newtimes?  love that paper.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2011, 11:32:28 PM
I'm going to effing lose it when we hire Underwood.

said these very words on the phone about 15 minutes ago.  
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 03, 2011, 11:32:58 PM
joke's on us dax. joke's on us.

Haith was going to either get fired or move on in the next year anyway.  

Who didn't believe Frank wouldn't have been on the next plane out?

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 03, 2011, 11:33:38 PM
I know Rusty, I know. :frown:

Quote
mellinger Sam Mellinger
He gone, and GREAT timing for him RT @admcgregor3: @mellinger what's your take on the possible ramifications for Frank Martin and #Kstate?

this is very interesting.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: j-dub on April 03, 2011, 11:34:07 PM
I'm going to effing lose it when we hire Underwood.

said these very words on the phone about 15 minutes ago. 

can confirm.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Fuktard on April 03, 2011, 11:37:19 PM
Well crap...Frank is gone.  But even more unbelievable is MU hiring Haith.  WTF are they thinking?  Is that really the best they could do?  Alden has to lose his job over this.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sunny_cat on April 03, 2011, 11:38:18 PM
we're mumped :bang:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: pike on April 03, 2011, 11:38:45 PM
We need to appoint a 24/7 goEMAW flight tracker ASAP
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: j-dub on April 03, 2011, 11:39:11 PM
who do we go after? pearl not being an option..
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cackle on April 03, 2011, 11:39:24 PM
i hate Missouri
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2011, 11:39:40 PM
i think a

'grats beems
is in order here.  mizzou just pulled us off the cliff with them.  'grats beems.  'grats a million
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: SoonerHoopsfan on April 03, 2011, 11:41:28 PM

i hope you get in a car crash
Why you mad?
(http://sportscasm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Lon-Kruger.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 03, 2011, 11:41:53 PM
Goddamnit BMW. You've rough ridin' earned it.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wetwillie on April 03, 2011, 11:42:54 PM
I'm going into denial until the news becomes official.

I'm going to take some solace in the fact that this guy is technically heading up the coaching search

(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mifl/sports/genrel/auto_headshot/565492.jpeg)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Fuktard on April 03, 2011, 11:43:42 PM
I think Underwood will be our next HC.  I'm not thrilled about it but I'd much rather have him than Haith.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sunny_cat on April 03, 2011, 11:44:15 PM
I'm going into denial until the news becomes official.

I'm going to take some solace in the fact that this guy is technically heading up the coaching search

(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mifl/sports/genrel/auto_headshot/565492.jpeg)

me too
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 03, 2011, 11:44:25 PM

i hope you get in a car crash
Why you mad?
(http://sportscasm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Lon-Kruger.jpg)


stab mike alden (not to kill, just seriously injure) for me and we'll call it even

EDIT:  Na I think I want to kill him.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2011, 11:48:56 PM
do you guys read the miami newtimes?  love that paper.

My only hope is that Donna Shalala is also a big fan.

Also, I would prefer haith to underwood big time.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Fuktard on April 03, 2011, 11:51:55 PM
do you guys read the miami newtimes?  love that paper.

My only hope is that Donna Shalala is also a big fan.

Also, I would prefer haith to underwood big time.

I'm not sure why, Haith has proven he can't get it done at the D1 level...at least Underwood is an unknown commodity, very similar to Frank when we hired him.  I'll give him a chance.  I would rough ridin' revolt if i was an MU fan.

Our only hope is that Miami doesn't want Frank and his baggage
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Trim on April 03, 2011, 11:52:08 PM
How much will be pay HCBU?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Tobias on April 03, 2011, 11:53:15 PM
Grumblings that FHCFM is getting fitted for these as we speak
(http://www.tobygebhart.com/emaw/miamishoes.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2011, 11:54:48 PM
"@MatthewHLeach: How's Miami going to pay Frank Martin? ~ Sincere question, no snark. Not saying it won't happen, but where's the money come from?"

 :crossfingers:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: pike on April 03, 2011, 11:55:57 PM
"@MatthewHLeach: How's Miami going to pay Frank Martin? ~ Sincere question, no snark. Not saying it won't happen, but where's the money come from?"

 :crossfingers:

Thank God we payed Frank when we had a chance.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: SoonerHoopsfan on April 03, 2011, 11:56:34 PM

stab mike alden (not to kill, just seriously injure) for me and we'll call it even

EDIT:  Na I think I want to kill him.
Ok if I do that, then will you tell me how make this my signature on here.

(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/soonersam/lolcat2a679b1f3ff8dbe4d375aa6a3b8fba676f91bcf6.jpg)

I'm a little drunk this evening.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: j-dub on April 03, 2011, 11:57:16 PM
i can't believe how perfect frank is for the U.

he will bring the same swagger the fb team has/had to the bball team.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Tobias on April 03, 2011, 11:57:35 PM
"@MatthewHLeach: How's Miami going to pay Frank Martin? ~ Sincere question, no snark. Not saying it won't happen, but where's the money come from?"

 :crossfingers:
(http://www.tobygebhart.com/emaw/cocaine.jpg)
 :ohno:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 03, 2011, 11:57:53 PM
do you guys read the miami newtimes?  love that paper.

My only hope is that Donna Shalala is also a big fan.

i think she probably is.  she's supposedly cheap and/or poor, and i believe the newtimes is free.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 03, 2011, 11:58:48 PM
do you guys read the miami newtimes?  love that paper.

My only hope is that Donna Shalala is also a big fan.

Also, I would prefer haith to underwood big time.

I'm not sure why, Haith has proven he can't get it done at the D1 level...at least Underwood is an unknown commodity, very similar to Frank when we hired him.  I'll give him a chance.  I would rough ridin' revolt if i was an MU fan.

Our only hope is that Miami doesn't want Frank and his baggage

Underwood is nothing like Frank. At all. And you're rough ridin' crazy for suggesting it.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 'taterblast on April 04, 2011, 12:00:00 AM
i told myself during the season at one point, "i'd be okay with underwood when frank leaves."

but now that it actually may be a possibility, i say eff NO.

sad thing is, i don't know who we could get that's better.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 12:01:11 AM
Steven St John
Quote
KSU fans...I apologize for the awful hire Mike Alden made and I'm sorry if it forces Frank Martin to leave...I actually hope he stays.

meek
Quote
One thing to keep in mind re: Miami ... currently without an AD. Interim appointed after Hocutt left for Texas Tech.

mike decoursey
Quote
Miami -- basketball wasteland. Do solid work there building a respectable program, don't expect credit. Good luck to Frank Haith successor!
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sunny_cat on April 04, 2011, 12:03:14 AM
Steven St John
Quote
KSU fans...I apologize for the awful hire Mike Alden made and I'm sorry if it forces Frank Martin to leave...I actually hope he stays.

meek
Quote
One thing to keep in mind re: Miami ... currently without an AD. Interim appointed after Hocutt left for Texas Tech.

mike decoursey
Quote
Miami -- basketball wasteland. Do solid work there building a respectable program, don't expect credit. Good luck to Frank Haith successor!

decoursey is a rough ridin' pos
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Fuktard on April 04, 2011, 12:04:26 AM
do you guys read the miami newtimes?  love that paper.

My only hope is that Donna Shalala is also a big fan.

Also, I would prefer haith to underwood big time.

I'm not sure why, Haith has proven he can't get it done at the D1 level...at least Underwood is an unknown commodity, very similar to Frank when we hired him.  I'll give him a chance.  I would rough ridin' revolt if i was an MU fan.

Our only hope is that Miami doesn't want Frank and his baggage

Underwood is nothing like Frank. At all. And you're rough ridin' crazy for suggesting it.

I'm guessing you were a huge fan of the Frank martin hire when it happened?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 12:05:37 AM
Quote
AdamZagoria Adam Zagoria
Miami is Frank Martin`s `dream job,` D-1 source says.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 12:08:32 AM
do you guys read the miami newtimes?  love that paper.

My only hope is that Donna Shalala is also a big fan.

Also, I would prefer haith to underwood big time.

I'm not sure why, Haith has proven he can't get it done at the D1 level...at least Underwood is an unknown commodity, very similar to Frank when we hired him.  I'll give him a chance.  I would rough ridin' revolt if i was an MU fan.

Our only hope is that Miami doesn't want Frank and his baggage

Underwood is nothing like Frank. At all. And you're rough ridin' crazy for suggesting it.

I'm guessing you were a huge fan of the Frank martin hire when it happened?

Good guess. It was the best hire we could have made.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2011, 12:09:22 AM
miami is too busy worrying about football to give a eff about basketball.  katz will probably have to try to sell frank to those dumbasses.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 12:12:06 AM
i can't believe how perfect frank is for the U.

he will bring the same swagger the fb team has/had to the bball team.

The ESPN doc on The Basketball U in 20 years is going to be epic.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wiley on April 04, 2011, 12:14:05 AM
meh, Frank knows the Miami job is gonna be open again in a few years.  We've got the new facility coming.  They can't afford it right now, and Franks not gonna go into a job having zero clue who his boss is going to be (yes, i'm in denial) not about losing Frank, just who the eff are we going to replace him with?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 12:16:04 AM
how many pages til we match Smoke Your Cigars?  This one could be an epic one. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sunny_cat on April 04, 2011, 12:17:30 AM
meh, Frank knows the Miami job is gonna be open again in a few years.  We've got the new facility coming.  They can't afford it right now, and Franks not gonna go into a job having zero clue who his boss is going to be (yes, i'm in denial) not about losing Frank, just who the eff are we going to replace him with?
thanks. i needed this   :D
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: j-dub on April 04, 2011, 12:19:04 AM
frank and jake. this is how it ends. losing possibly our most beloved player and coach in a matter of days. damn.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: MadCat on April 04, 2011, 12:19:55 AM
"@MatthewHLeach: How's Miami going to pay Frank Martin? ~ Sincere question, no snark. Not saying it won't happen, but where's the money come from?"

 :crossfingers:
(http://www.tobygebhart.com/emaw/cocaine.jpg)
 :ohno:


They prolly have lotso strippers that need their temps checked.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wiley on April 04, 2011, 12:20:24 AM
meh, Frank knows the Miami job is gonna be open again in a few years.  We've got the new facility coming.  They can't afford it right now, and Franks not gonna go into a job having zero clue who his boss is going to be (yes, i'm in denial) not about losing Frank, just who the eff are we going to replace him with?
thanks. i needed this   :D

would only be playing in front of roughly 8,000 fans as well because that's what the arena appears to hold.  Will be interested, but home is home.  I came back to KC from ventures away for a few year....what a horrible effing idea it was to come back.  Frank don't follow the light, it's headlights from a train!
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 04, 2011, 12:21:16 AM
"@MatthewHLeach: How's Miami going to pay Frank Martin? ~ Sincere question, no snark. Not saying it won't happen, but where's the money come from?"

 :crossfingers:
(http://www.tobygebhart.com/emaw/cocaine.jpg)
 :ohno:


They prolly have lotso strippers that need their temps checked.

So does Las Vegas!  :runaway:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 12:22:38 AM
Denis Clemente and Jacob Pullen....co head coaches?  :love:
Title: Frank Haith to Mizzou
Post by: Powercat Posse on April 04, 2011, 12:23:29 AM
Just read that Mizzou is expected to make Miami Head Coach Frank Haith their next HC.   It was sited as a AP source
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wiley on April 04, 2011, 12:23:42 AM
Bruck effing Pearl, the email has been sent  :emawkid:
Title: Re: Frank Haith to Mizzou
Post by: Tobias on April 04, 2011, 12:24:21 AM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=12275.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=12275.0)
Title: Re: Frank Haith to Mizzou
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 12:24:39 AM
This is news.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 12:24:54 AM
At least I can enjoy d. Scott's oblivion on twitter.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Trim on April 04, 2011, 12:25:47 AM
We should offer to play at least half the non-con home games in Jupiter, Florida.
Title: Re: Frank Haith to Mizzou
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 04, 2011, 12:26:00 AM
It's like we're posting to a wall sometimes.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wiley on April 04, 2011, 12:27:03 AM
KU fans think Jank would be a great hire....jfc :cry:
Title: Re: Frank Haith to Mizzou
Post by: Powercat Posse on April 04, 2011, 12:27:55 AM
Oops my bad.  Forgot there was a thread for coaching carousel
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 12:29:06 AM
_33....warm up the Frank Martin tribute video
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Dlew12 on April 04, 2011, 12:29:29 AM
God melting down just feels so damn good.
 :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:

( :woot: )
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: j-dub on April 04, 2011, 12:30:14 AM
_33....warm up the Frank Martin tribute video

yeah. definitely gonna need this.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 04, 2011, 12:34:40 AM
Where will Kirk go for negotiations? OLIVE GARDEN ISN'T OPEN AT THIS HOUR!!!

 :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: j-dub on April 04, 2011, 12:35:37 AM
those effing breadsticks.. will never get over that.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 12:36:04 AM
Where will Kirk go for negotiations? OLIVE GARDEN ISN'T OPEN AT THIS HOUR!!!

 :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:

IHOP or Bobs Diner :flush: We're doomed
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Trim on April 04, 2011, 12:37:39 AM
Where will Kirk go for negotiations? OLIVE GARDEN ISN'T OPEN AT THIS HOUR!!!

 :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:

If he has any decency, he'll go to Avivo Tuesday night.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Fuktard on April 04, 2011, 12:41:22 AM
Sam melinger tweet:
I'll explain the "great timing" thing on the blog tomorrow
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 04, 2011, 12:43:26 AM
Quote
AGoldFan Adam Gold
retweeted by DScottFritchen
Miami is one of the WORST jobs in any BCS conference. No fans, no edge at home, marginal coverage and not a lot if $$.

Who the hell is Adam Gold?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: nicname on April 04, 2011, 12:44:29 AM
I think it is time to pay Frank again.  Pre-emptive strike.  2.2 mill.  Do we have the money?  I dunno. I can't take watching ksu hoops crumble again.  I can't take it.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 12:48:09 AM
So, I guess most of our team plus all the incoming guys will follow Frank and 'Te.  We're going to be like freaking Iowa State now.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: bigDcat on April 04, 2011, 12:49:32 AM
Quote
AGoldFan Adam Gold
retweeted by DScottFritchen
Miami is one of the WORST jobs in any BCS conference. No fans, no edge at home, marginal coverage and not a lot if $$.

Who the hell is Adam Gold?
Quote from: Adam Gold's bio:
Radio host (TheFan/ESPN in Raleigh), devoted husband and father of 2.  I take NOTHING seriously, except for my dislike of liars and frauds.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 12:51:06 AM
I think it is time to pay Frank again.  Pre-emptive strike.  2.2 mill.  Do we have the money?  I dunno. I can't take watching ksu hoops crumble again.  I can't take it.

Currie and the 'tucks are our only hope.  God help us.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sunny_cat on April 04, 2011, 12:51:43 AM
I think it is time to pay Frank again.  Pre-emptive strike.  2.2 mill.  Do we have the money?  I dunno. I can't take watching ksu hoops crumble again.  I can't take it.

Currie and the 'tucks are our only hope.  God help us.

I believe in John Currie.
 :kstatriot:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 12:52:17 AM
I think it is time to pay Frank again.  Pre-emptive strike.  2.2 mill.  Do we have the money?  I dunno. I can't take watching ksu hoops crumble again.  I can't take it.

kstate is a better job.  i don't think he leaves for miami unless he feels like he needs to go.  in which case, it's probably best for both kstate and martin that he go.  i wouldn't go crazy with new money right now.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on April 04, 2011, 12:53:58 AM
kstate is a better job.  

 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: nicname on April 04, 2011, 12:54:05 AM
I think it is time to pay Frank again.  Pre-emptive strike.  2.2 mill.  Do we have the money?  I dunno. I can't take watching ksu hoops crumble again.  I can't take it.

kstate is a better job.  i don't think he leaves for miami unless he feels like he needs to go.  in which case, it's probably best for both kstate and martin that he go.  i wouldn't go crazy with new money right now.

Sys, I don't want to watch my ksu bball burn to the ground again.  I'm freaking out right now.  
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 12:54:15 AM
I think it is time to pay Frank again.  Pre-emptive strike.  2.2 mill.  Do we have the money?  I dunno. I can't take watching ksu hoops crumble again.  I can't take it.

Currie and the 'tucks are our only hope.  God help us.

And this time there are no games left for Pete and KK to boo some sense into people.   :ohno:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: nicname on April 04, 2011, 12:55:25 AM
And why the hell you Mizzou want Haith anyway?  He sucks.  You can do better Mizzou, for our sake and yours, please.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on April 04, 2011, 12:55:36 AM
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MI3Tay Martavious Irving
I was falling asleep, but woke up with a craving for lobster...lol


guys, they have lobsters in the ocean :runaway:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: chunkles on April 04, 2011, 12:56:52 AM
 :dubious:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 12:58:23 AM
sys, I don't want to watch my ksu bball burn to the ground again.  I'm freaking out right now.  

me neither.

but look, miami is a crap job.  so the only way martin leaves is if he cares about nothing other than living in south florida (his record does not suggest this), in which case he's gone no matter what.  or if he thinks he's not going to be winning at kstate over the next couple years.  in which case, best he go.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on April 04, 2011, 12:58:48 AM
:dubious:

we're not going to stay cute anymore :goodbyecruelworld:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 12:59:12 AM
I think it is time to pay Frank again.  Pre-emptive strike.  2.2 mill.  Do we have the money?  I dunno. I can't take watching ksu hoops crumble again.  I can't take it.

kstate is a better job.  i don't think he leaves for miami unless he feels like he needs to go.  in which case, it's probably best for both kstate and martin that he go.  i wouldn't go crazy with new money right now.

Yeah, 2.2 is awfully high for the good, not great program Frank has built.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 12:59:49 AM
has anyone taken time to consider how much Mike Alden loves ku basketball?  i mean damn.  
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: chunkles on April 04, 2011, 12:59:55 AM
:dubious:

we're not going to stay cute anymore :goodbyecruelworld:
:dubious:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: nicname on April 04, 2011, 01:01:03 AM
I think it is time to pay Frank again.  Pre-emptive strike.  2.2 mill.  Do we have the money?  I dunno. I can't take watching ksu hoops crumble again.  I can't take it.

kstate is a better job.  i don't think he leaves for miami unless he feels like he needs to go.  in which case, it's probably best for both kstate and martin that he go.  i wouldn't go crazy with new money right now.

Yeah, 2.2 is awfully high for the good, not great program Frank has built.

If Arkansas is willing to give Mike Anderson that much, then screw it, pay Frank.  He will earn it eventually. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 0.42 on April 04, 2011, 01:01:43 AM
:dubious:

we're not going to stay cute anymore :goodbyecruelworld:
:dubious:


remember when we were the most adorable team in college basketball? now we're gonna load up on a bunch of white bros from hays and wakeeney :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: the KHAN! on April 04, 2011, 01:05:37 AM
My amazing weekend just got rough ridin' ruined because Mizzou made a bad hire.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: RightMeow on April 04, 2011, 01:11:35 AM
:dubious:

we're not going to stay cute anymore :goodbyecruelworld:
:dubious:


remember when we were the most adorable team in college basketball? now we're gonna load up on a bunch of white bros from hays and wakeeney :horrorsurprise:

Everyone knows the best players are from Colby/Grainfield area.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: EMAWesome on April 04, 2011, 01:16:25 AM
greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
Frank Martin is a Miami guy. The city, not the school. Would own recruiting there. Trust me, he'd CRAWL there.

 :bawl:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: fatty fat fat on April 04, 2011, 03:06:00 AM
can we take kruger?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: HawaiiCat on April 04, 2011, 04:21:07 AM
Frank hates the media and there is a large contingent in the miami media who HATE Frank. Maybe it's stuff like this http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/12/revistiting_frank_martin_the_k.php that could keep him in manhattan.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wabash909 on April 04, 2011, 04:55:48 AM
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FITZ
Manhattan, Kan.

What an odd hire

Not sure what Missouri is thinking in hiring Frank Haith, but as of now I have no worries Miami has the resources or Frank Martin has any interest to make a Miami-Martin marriage occur.



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Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: joda on April 04, 2011, 05:48:53 AM
WTF! I go to bed early and wake up to this? Screw this, never going to bed before 10 again.

LCCIQ here, but if KITN happens does this become the longest major college coaching carousel in recent memory? Does it take a perfect storm to put us a full 3 rungs below Arkansas on the coaching pyramid? Is there anyone we could poach to keep it going? say Anthony Grant :crossfingers:? Should I be  :runaway: :drink: :barf: at 6 am or is this all  :jerk:?

 :ohno:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cire on April 04, 2011, 05:55:59 AM
Grats beems
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wabash909 on April 04, 2011, 06:18:02 AM
Time to launder the Pay Frank shirts.

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2011, 06:23:37 AM
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I have no worries ... Frank Martin has any interest to make a Miami-Martin marriage occur.

what a dumb eff.  of course frank has at least little interest.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wabash909 on April 04, 2011, 06:26:33 AM
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@GottliebShow: Morning tweeps,sorry Mizzou fans it was not a bad dream Frank Haith is really ur coach. Frank Martin and Anthony Grant are the first 2 calls
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Trim on April 04, 2011, 06:32:12 AM
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I have no worries ... Frank Martin has any interest to make a Miami-Martin marriage occur.

what a dumb eff.  of course frank has at least little interest.

IT'S NOT MARTIN!
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 06:32:59 AM
So what's Frank's buyout or w/e? how much would he owe ksu if he left?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on April 04, 2011, 06:33:33 AM
Quote from: greggdoyelcbs
Frank Martin is a Miami guy. The city, not the school. Would own recruiting there. Trust me, he'd CRAWL there.




god-f'ing-damnit
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Stupid Fitz on April 04, 2011, 06:39:09 AM
Just woke up.   :frown: wtf

Please don't leave us Frank.   :runaway:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on April 04, 2011, 06:40:15 AM
we hire Gregg Marshall and I'm done with everything ksu.  we'll have nothing. 
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: wabash909 on April 04, 2011, 06:42:41 AM
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I have no worries ... Frank Martin has any interest to make a Miami-Martin marriage occur.

what a dumb eff.  of course frank has at least little interest.


It's amazing and not amazing that he continues to make these types of asinine statements.  It's as if he literally is a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Obviously Frank will have interest, if nothing else to do what is best for his family.  The guy spent 30 years of his professional life there.  The pay scale in the Big XII has been considerably elevated in recent weeks.  What the eff is he paying an agent for if he's not trying to leverage more money with K-State's weakened position.

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Stupid Fitz on April 04, 2011, 06:43:20 AM
we hire Gregg Marshall and I'm done with everything ksu.  we'll have nothing. 

At least we have footb....  shazbot! YOU MISSOURI !!!!!!!!!!!!  :curse: :curse: :curse:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cire on April 04, 2011, 06:46:25 AM
I think if miami can scratch up 1.75 ish he's gone for sure.  And I think it fits Frank's MO, he's worked his ass off after losing what was probably his dream job at miami high and now he's got the chance to go back.

The question will probably be if they can afford the buy out.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: catzacker on April 04, 2011, 06:46:46 AM
why wouldn't frank leave?  it wasn't like ksu was setting attenedance records at KSU before Huggins/Martin got here.  As a fan base, we gave a sh*t about basketball just as much as Miami does.  Winnning will bring them, just as it did here.  And it's great timing.  With Jake gone and an unbalanced roster, he will have to do some rebuilding/retooling on this roster.  why not do that at home with probably a better opportunity with easier recruiting?  he's f'ing gone.  
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cire on April 04, 2011, 06:47:41 AM
why wouldn't frank leave?  it wasn't like ksu was setting attenedance records at KSU before Huggins/Martin got here.  As a fan base, we gave a sh*t about basketball just as much as Miami does.  Winnning will bring them, just as it did here.  And it's great timing.  With Jake gone and an unbalanced roster, he will have to do some rebuilding/retooling on this roster.  why not do that at home with probably a better opportunity with easier recruiting?  he's f'ing gone. 

yeah, I don't have much hope right now.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: treysolid on April 04, 2011, 06:47:58 AM
i am totally down with Trim's suggestion of moving half our games to Jupiter.  I'd like to get PAK'd and walk to games.  
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: fatty fat fat on April 04, 2011, 06:52:29 AM
would be stunned if he stays. the thought miami and frank can even excite me
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Cire on April 04, 2011, 06:53:54 AM
would be stunned if he stays. the thought miami and frank can even excite me

I've found myself online shopping for U hats.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2011, 06:57:20 AM
As a fan base, we gave a sh*t about basketball just as much as Miami does.  Winnning will bring them, just as it did here. 

nah, they truly don't give a eff.  even if they are winning.  they only care about football.  but i think that aspect is way overrated in coaching change discussions.  i totally agree with your point about much easier recruiting.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 07:00:05 AM
I think if miami can scratch up 1.75 ish he's gone for sure.  And I think it fits Frank's MO, he's worked his ass off after losing what was probably his dream job at miami high and now he's got the chance to go back.

The question will probably be if they can afford the buy out.

THIS

Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Andy on April 04, 2011, 07:16:59 AM
the same people freaking out about Martin leaving are the same people who wanted him fired back in january.

currie hasn't let me down yet.  cautiously optimistic no matter what ends up happening.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 07:21:35 AM
Meh.

Frank really wants to go home if he leaves for Miami. The best coach in the program's history is Leonard Hamilton. He led them to half (3) of their programs NCAA appearances, and basically built the team that went to a fourth after he left.

Any concern I have is very (very) slight.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 07:28:11 AM
I have no idea what is in Frank's head.  But, IF he does want to go home, why is Miami worse than we were when he took over?  You think South Florida kids care if Miami didnt have years of pre segregation basketball glory like we do?

All it takes is for one alum to step up with cash for a practice facility, and Franks cooking down there.   Do Michael Irvine or Portis like hoops?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 07:30:30 AM
Meh.

Frank really wants to go home if he leaves for Miami. The best coach in the program's history is Leonard Hamilton. He led them to half (3) of their programs NCAA appearances, and basically built the team that went to a fourth after he left.

Any concern I have is very (very) slight.

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Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 07:31:37 AM
Frank would be stupid not to go to Miami as long as they can pay roughly what we will pay.  Congrats to Frank.  He's earned the eff out of this.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 07:32:50 AM
I have no idea what is in Frank's head.  But, IF he does want to go home, why is Miami worse than we were when he took over?  You think South Florida kids care if Miami didnt have years of pre segregation basketball glory like we do?

All it takes is for one alum to step up with cash for a practice facility, and Franks cooking down there.   Do Michael Irvine or Portis like hoops?

I agree with this. Miami doesn't support bball because they haven't been very good at bball.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kslim on April 04, 2011, 07:36:53 AM
Frank would be stupid not to go to Miami as long as they can pay roughly what we will pay.  Congrats to Frank.  He's earned the eff out of this.

my question is can they pay his assistants?? frank has always been very loyal to his group of coaches that he has put together, also how much do we pay wsu's coach?  :goodbyecruelworld:
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kcchiefdav on April 04, 2011, 07:37:19 AM
The most important thing not being talked about in all of this, is...When the great college football realignment happens, "The U" has a guaranteed seat at the table, we do not. Send us a postcard from the beach, Frank.
Title: let the meltdown begin!
Post by: unleashthemob on April 04, 2011, 07:37:43 AM
The is going to be more exciting then the news from Japan....maybe now we know why Wally hasn't left and why angel hasn't signed...going to be epic
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 07:39:31 AM
The good thing is that a coaching search is pretty phenomenal to follow on twitter.  It could be gut wrenching (Painter), but should make for some fun days of BBSing/tweeting.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: KITNfury on April 04, 2011, 07:42:28 AM
Frank would be stupid not to go to Miami as long as they can pay roughly what we will pay.  Congrats to Frank.  He's earned the eff out of this.

my question is can they pay his assistants?? frank has always been very loyal to his group of coaches that he has put together, also how much do we pay wsu's coach?  :goodbyecruelworld:
All moot points. One of his assistants will be our head coach, unless Currie goes above and beyond our past ADs.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: kslim on April 04, 2011, 07:44:01 AM
Frank would be stupid not to go to Miami as long as they can pay roughly what we will pay.  Congrats to Frank.  He's earned the eff out of this.

my question is can they pay his assistants?? frank has always been very loyal to his group of coaches that he has put together, also how much do we pay wsu's coach?  :goodbyecruelworld:
All moot points. One of his assistants will be our head coach, unless Currie goes above and beyond our past ADs.

urite, just trying to deflect the obligatory KITN thats coming
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 07:45:37 AM
fan support doesn't mean jack crap. sorry guys, it's irrelevant. the question is whether or not Frank could do a better job recruiting to Miami than he does here, therefore giving him a better chance to win.

Plus, there's a bunch of turds in the ACC for coaches. Frank is instantly the fourth biggest name out of all those pudnuts, and #3 is Gary rough ridin' Williams. He'll be a goddam star.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Trim on April 04, 2011, 07:46:50 AM
The good thing is that a coaching search is pretty phenomenal to follow on twitter.  It could be gut wrenching (Painter), but should make for some fun days of BBSing/tweeting.

I don’t have time this year.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 07:47:04 AM
probably pretty excited to get backing to kicking the crap out of Bzdealiachik led teams too
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Andy on April 04, 2011, 07:47:15 AM
some espnradio guy in miami being interviewed on 610 just said he doesnt see miami paying $2mil/yr for a coach...said they settled on their 3rd/4th choice for a football coach at a football school....boosters don't care about basketball...sees miami going after a cheap/young coach...said frank martin is totally out of their price range...


Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 04, 2011, 07:48:45 AM
Theres no personal state income tax in Florida! How can we compete?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Trim on April 04, 2011, 07:49:57 AM
some espnradio guy in miami being interviewed on 610 just said he doesnt see miami paying $2mil/yr for a coach...said they settled on their 3rd/4th choice for a football coach at a football school....boosters don't care about basketball...sees miami going after a cheap/young coach...said frank martin is totally out of their price range...

Frank can name his price and hook the u up with the means to pay.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 04, 2011, 07:50:30 AM
Don't forget the AD there is a KSU guy do you think he would be able to show his face here again if he did this?
DO YOU?!
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 07:51:23 AM
some espnradio guy in miami being interviewed on 610 just said he doesnt see miami paying $2mil/yr for a coach...said they settled on their 3rd/4th choice for a football coach at a football school....boosters don't care about basketball...sees miami going after a cheap/young coach...said frank martin is totally out of their price range...




The guy you heard talking about it should post here more often. I like his positive outlook on things.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 07:52:03 AM
Don't forget the AD there is a KSU guy do you think he would be able to show his face here again if he did this?
DO YOU?!

Hocutt left for TTU. Is their interim AD a KSU guy too?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Rams on April 04, 2011, 07:55:53 AM
Frank will not leave K-State for Miami.  U of Florida?  Yes.  Florida State?  Possibly, but not likely.  Miami?  No.  Basketball is the third most popular sport at Miami behind football and baseball.  Also, Miami is in some financial trouble right now.

Wake me up when Donovan leaves UF.  :zzz:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: _33 on April 04, 2011, 07:56:22 AM
'member when Anya cried at the end of that CBS video? Frank is staying.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 07:58:24 AM
kinda wish ART would have signed  :dubious:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: nicname on April 04, 2011, 07:59:23 AM
Maybe Denis can call Frank up and trash on Miami bball for awhile.  You know tell him all sorts of horrible things.  MAybe that will help.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: EllToPay on April 04, 2011, 08:01:24 AM
my god, this is going to be excellent. whether he stays or goes, idgaf. not compared to the excitement of what's about to go down on goEMAW.

 :kstatriot:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 04, 2011, 08:02:07 AM
Rumblings that Frank is too expensive for Miami.  Miami still needs to hire an AD, and Alumni only care about football.  According to a local Miami journalist on 610 this morning, Miami is in the middle of a giant budget crisis and all financial support right now is put towards "becoming relevant again in football."  Apparently they had to go to their 4th coaching option in football cause they couldn't afford to hire 1st/2nd/3rd??
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 04, 2011, 08:03:01 AM
Frank do you know how many murders there were in Manhattan last year?.....maybe one I don't really know.
Frank do you know how many murders there were in Miami last year?....a lot more, again I don't really know.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: The1BigWillie on April 04, 2011, 08:03:41 AM
Rumblings that Frank is too expensive for Miami.  Miami still needs to hire an AD, and Alumni only care about football.  According to a local Miami journalist on 610 this morning, Miami is in the middle of a giant budget crisis and all financial support right now is put towards "becoming relevant again in football."  Apparently they had to go to their 4th coaching option in football cause they couldn't afford to hire 1st/2nd/3rd??

So Frank comes in looking like a hero when he shows up and turns around the entire athletic department.  :goodbyecruelworld:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:04:04 AM
I wonder if any of these alumni dudes like basketball and would take a liking to Frank?  

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
Warren Sapp
Dan Morgan
Bennie Blades
Kellen Winslow II
Russell Maryland
Bryant McKinnie
Clinton Portis
Edgarrin James
Willis McGahee
Santana Moss
Jeremy Shockey
Jonathan Vilma
Vince Wilfork
Vinny Testaverde
Gino Torretta
Ken Dorsey
Ed Reed
Reggie Wayne
Jim Kelly
Bernie Kosar
Leon Searcy
CEO of Carnival Corporation and owner of the Miami Heat
former president and COO of the McDonald's Corporation
president and CEO of American Eagle Airlines
CEO of Bruegger's Enterprises Inc.
Gloria Estefan
Enrique Iglesias


Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 04, 2011, 08:05:29 AM
frank has been positioning underwood to take over at ksu for the past year.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 04, 2011, 08:06:38 AM
I wonder if any of these alumni dudes like basketball and would take a liking to Frank?  

president and CEO of American Eagle Airlines

He wouldn't, unless he wants to lose a major contract to a regional airport in the midwest.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:07:37 AM
frank has been positioning underwood to take over at ksu for the past year.

First thing I thought of.  If we still had Weefs around, this would already be done.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 04, 2011, 08:07:56 AM
Not saying it can't happen.  Locals just don't think Miami U can pony up the $2 mill per yr.  Plus, the question was asked whether Big Alums (as mentioned above) could/would pony up for Frank.  Answer was highly unlikely because they would rather see the football program back at the top before basketball is given much of a shot.  The journalist assumed Miami will go after a no-name coach for around $1.2 mill.  
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 04, 2011, 08:11:25 AM
Now if Miami hires Frank as both coach and Athletic Director....   :ohno:

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: catzacker on April 04, 2011, 08:11:56 AM
why do people think it will take $2m for frank to go?  it will probably take equal-ish money.  that's maybe 1.2-1.5M.  it will be entirely easier for not only frank, but unds, figgs, and te to recruit out of miami, especially given their connections/prior experience.  
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Trim on April 04, 2011, 08:12:56 AM
frank has been positioning underwood to take over at ksu for the past year.

Longer.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 08:13:21 AM
frank has been positioning underwood to take over at ksu for the past year.

First thing I thought of.  If we still had Weefs around, this would already be done.

Nah, Weefs would try to find a way for Bill and/or Sean Snyder to take 'er over.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 08:14:25 AM
Not only does fan support not matter, neither does the U's ability to pay $2 mil. WVU didn't pay Huggs more than we were.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 08:14:49 AM
why do people think it will take $2m for frank to go?  it will probably take equal-ish money.  that's maybe 1.2-1.5M.  it will be entirely easier for not only frank, but unds, figgs, and te to recruit out of miami, especially given their connections/prior experience. 

heh.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 08:18:25 AM
say hypothetically Frank wants to stay and Miami can't pay more than 1.5.  would be interesting to see if he tried to play the salary bump/coaching search game in the media.  would be hard with the money limitations at Miami.  plus, he didn't (in public) with the 2 million depaul offer and there were rumblings NC State reached out and was denied without a peep from the local media.  does Katz just not do that?  Seems weird not to.  
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: EllToPay on April 04, 2011, 08:19:36 AM
We don't stand a chance with our directs to ORD and DFW. Miami is a rough ridin' hub for AA.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Fuktard on April 04, 2011, 08:20:08 AM
Mellinger:

What I meant by “great timing” is that KSU is likely to struggle next season. Jacob Pullen and Curtis Kelly are gone, and there isn’t an expected gem in the recruiting class to make up for it.



rough ridin' genius
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
Mellinger:

What I meant by “great timing” is that KSU is likely to struggle next season. Jacob Pullen and Curtis Kelly are gone, and there isn’t an expected gem in the recruiting class to make up for it.



rough ridin' genius

my exact reasoning why Bill Self should take the UNLV job
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: EllToPay on April 04, 2011, 08:22:28 AM
Mellinger:

What I meant by “great timing” is that KSU is likely to struggle next season. Jacob Pullen and Curtis Kelly are gone, and there isn’t an expected gem in the recruiting class to make up for it.



rough ridin' genius

outside of UT, which team won't regress/struggle?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:22:57 AM
why do people think it will take $2m for frank to go?  it will probably take equal-ish money.  that's maybe 1.2-1.5M.  it will be entirely easier for not only frank, but unds, figgs, and te to recruit out of miami, especially given their connections/prior experience.  

Jesus, he will build a monster down there.  Shakey and Art are probably jerking themselves off right now.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 08:23:38 AM
Mellinger:

What I meant by “great timing” is that KSU is likely to struggle next season. Jacob Pullen and Curtis Kelly are gone, and there isn’t an expected gem in the recruiting class to make up for it.



rough ridin' genius

outside of UT, which team won't regress/struggle?

OSU will be better...ISU will be better (still suck)...
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 08:24:16 AM
why do people think it will take $2m for frank to go?  it will probably take equal-ish money.  that's maybe 1.2-1.5M.  it will be entirely easier for not only frank, but unds, figgs, and te to recruit out of miami, especially given their connections/prior experience.  

Jesus, he build a monster down there.  Shakey and Art are probably jerking themselves off right now.

he would get the exact same amount of recruits from them that he does here. 
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 08:26:35 AM
why do people think it will take $2m for frank to go?  it will probably take equal-ish money.  that's maybe 1.2-1.5M.  it will be entirely easier for not only frank, but unds, figgs, and te to recruit out of miami, especially given their connections/prior experience. 

Jesus, he build a monster down there.  Shakey and Art are probably jerking themselves off right now.

he would get the exact same amount of recruits from them that he does here. 

I think it would be pretty close. It might be easier for him to get the non-Shakey guys in the area at the U, along with guys from other parts of the east coast.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: _33 on April 04, 2011, 08:27:53 AM
why do people think it will take $2m for frank to go?  it will probably take equal-ish money.  that's maybe 1.2-1.5M.  it will be entirely easier for not only frank, but unds, figgs, and te to recruit out of miami, especially given their connections/prior experience. 

Jesus, he build a monster down there.  Shakey and Art are probably jerking themselves off right now.

he would get the exact same amount of recruits from them that he does here. 

I think it would be pretty close. It might be easier for him to get the non-Shakey guys in the area at the U, along with guys from other parts of the east coast.

But he wouldn't get the Will Spradlings of the midwest.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: rcjh88 on April 04, 2011, 08:29:52 AM
I hope Frank doesn't leave, he is good for the conference. If what he has always said about loving ksu is true I don't see him leaving. He has built a good thing and would be crazy to go. Do you think your ad would overpay to keep him?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 08:30:30 AM
FWIW, Frank's current buyout is $1 mil.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
FWIW, Frank's current buyout is $1 mil.

well, that's good
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 08:32:30 AM
Anybody know Kelvin Sampson's status with the NCAA?

DO WANT
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: EllToPay on April 04, 2011, 08:32:47 AM
Mellinger:

What I meant by “great timing” is that KSU is likely to struggle next season. Jacob Pullen and Curtis Kelly are gone, and there isn’t an expected gem in the recruiting class to make up for it.



rough ridin' genius

outside of UT, which team won't regress/struggle?

OSU will be better...ISU will be better (still suck)...

I guess that's my point. OSU won't improve enough to be a title threat. ISU is full of losers. MU has Frank Haith. It looks like the slaves have a clean break at getting away from their master. OU will suck. TT will suck. Baylor will suck.

I think the fact that KSU will regress is canceled out with with how much everyone else will suck.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 04, 2011, 08:33:52 AM
frank has been positioning underwood to take over at ksu for the past year.

Longer.

i guess it's just been shoved down my throat much more this year. "well, brad came to me after the colorado game and suggested this "new offense"..."
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: rcjh88 on April 04, 2011, 08:34:39 AM
What about Steve Alford if Frank leaves?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 04, 2011, 08:36:17 AM
How does playing/recruiting against UNC and Duke every year play into this?  KU seems to be the only team in the Big 12 Frank has trouble winning.  Could he get it done at least once a year at Miami against the likes of Duke and UNC?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 08:36:34 AM
Mellinger:

What I meant by “great timing” is that KSU is likely to struggle next season. Jacob Pullen and Curtis Kelly are gone, and there isn’t an expected gem in the recruiting class to make up for it.



rough ridin' genius

outside of UT, which team won't regress/struggle?

OSU will be better...ISU will be better (still suck)...

I guess that's my point. OSU won't improve enough to be a title threat. ISU is full of losers. MU has Frank Haith. It looks like the slaves have a clean break at getting away from their master. OU will suck. TT will suck. Baylor will suck.

I think the fact that KSU will regress is canceled out with with how much everyone else will suck.

I know, I was agreeing with you with my small list of two sucky teams
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 08:36:59 AM
How does playing/recruiting against UNC and Duke every year play into this?

Not at all and he would almost never be recruiting against either one
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: EllToPay on April 04, 2011, 08:37:50 AM
Mellinger:

What I meant by “great timing” is that KSU is likely to struggle next season. Jacob Pullen and Curtis Kelly are gone, and there isn’t an expected gem in the recruiting class to make up for it.



rough ridin' genius

outside of UT, which team won't regress/struggle?

OSU will be better...ISU will be better (still suck)...

I guess that's my point. OSU won't improve enough to be a title threat. ISU is full of losers. MU has Frank Haith. It looks like the slaves have a clean break at getting away from their master. OU will suck. TT will suck. Baylor will suck.

I think the fact that KSU will regress is canceled out with with how much everyone else will suck.

I know, I was agreeing with you with my small list of two sucky teams

Oh.

OK.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:38:04 AM
Anybody know Kelvin Sampson's status with the NCAA?

DO WANT

He has a "Show Cause" label.   He can be hired, but you'd have to do a bunch of hoop jumping to justify why you think he's not going to cheat his ass off again...then the school is super duper extra liable if he does cheat his ass off again.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 08:38:39 AM
This is going to keep goEMAW humming for several weeks.  The rich get richer.

I will definitely look Frank up when I am down there for the football game.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 08:39:01 AM
Anybody know Kelvin Sampson's status with the NCAA?

DO WANT

I think a call was placed to him, but being Kelvin, he was on the phone racking up minutes and didn't click over.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:39:23 AM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Cire on April 04, 2011, 08:39:39 AM
Sampson and Pearl should be on Currie's speed dial.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 04, 2011, 08:41:07 AM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

No question he would be able to recruit better in Miami.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 08:42:23 AM
Bet he won't anywhere near the same recruiting budget at Miami...
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Post by: rcjh88 on April 04, 2011, 08:42:40 AM
He would be able to recruit better in Miami without a doubt.  
Also, oscar Pearl would be an amazing hire.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 04, 2011, 08:47:20 AM
 :love: Pearl and all his sillyness. 


(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media//2008/03/oscar-pearl-across-leags-425.jpg)
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 08:48:42 AM
Oh, oscar! :love:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 08:53:29 AM
Is oscar going to come with any NCAA baggage?  He's not going to get a show cause tag is he?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Gooch on April 04, 2011, 08:53:48 AM
Do want Pearl
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 08:55:10 AM
Is oscar going to come with any NCAA baggage?  He's not going to get a show cause tag is he?

As soon as we show interest they will put it on him.  Just to F with the Cats.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 08:55:44 AM
No way that Pearl will be an option.  He's boom roasted by the NCAA.

KS4KSU
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 08:56:04 AM
Bet he won't anywhere near the same recruiting budget at Miami...

You're right, but does it cost that much to drive across town?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 08:57:07 AM
Is oscar going to come with any NCAA baggage?  He's not going to get a show cause tag is he?

DO NOT CARE.

I really think if he was going to get a show cause all these dumbasses are convinced he's going to get, he'd have gotten let go midseason.  Either way, go for it.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 09:03:06 AM
Quote
DevonThe13 Devon Peterson
Miami in may
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Post by: j-dub on April 04, 2011, 09:04:48 AM
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DevonThe13 Devon Peterson
Miami in may

eff.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kcchiefdav on April 04, 2011, 09:04:49 AM
Doesn't Pearl have some sort of hearing with the NCAA later this month to find out if he's gonna get the "show cause?"
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pissclams on April 04, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
does anyone else think this could work out where ksu cats are better off by letting frank go and hiring steve henson.  don't even try to keep frank, just release him from his contract and use any money it will take to get henson back home within the ksu cats family.  seems like a perfect fit and i'm just reading between the lines sorry guys but no need to meltdown.  hensies is comin hom.e  yes.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kcchiefdav on April 04, 2011, 09:05:56 AM
does anyone else think this could work out where ksu cats are better off by letting frank go and hiring steve henson.  don't even try to keep frank, just release him from his contract and use any money it will take to get henson back home within the ksu cats family.  seems like a perfect fit and i'm just reading between the lines sorry guys but no need to meltdown.  hensies is comin hom.e  yes.

ha
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 09:07:02 AM
does anyone else think this could work out where ksu cats are better off by letting frank go and hiring steve henson.  don't even try to keep frank, just release him from his contract and use any money it will take to get henson back home within the ksu cats family.  seems like a perfect fit and i'm just reading between the lines sorry guys but no need to meltdown.  hensies is comin hom.e  yes.

You have to admit, it IS going to be awful hard watching him on the sidelines for OU TWICE next year.  Very painful.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 09:07:34 AM
Quote
SethDavisHoops Seth davis
Can't imagine it will take more than a few days for Miami to hire Frank Martin. Since he's from there the job has obvious appeal to him.
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Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 09:08:12 AM
nm
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Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 09:08:19 AM
does anyone else think this could work out where ksu cats are better off by letting frank go and hiring steve henson.  don't even try to keep frank, just release him from his contract and use any money it will take to get henson back home within the ksu cats family.  seems like a perfect fit and i'm just reading between the lines sorry guys but no need to meltdown.  hensies is comin hom.e  yes.

You have to admit, it IS going to be awful hard watching him on the sidelines for OU TWICE next year.  Very painful.

because he's ugly
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 09:10:54 AM
Mike Alden is playing chess while we play rough ridin' checkers.

Step 1:  Open the Miami Job
Step 2:  Get a decent coach with a super low buyout
Step 3:  Watch KSU crumble when Frank leaves
Step 4:  RE-take over spot as "second in the north"
Step 5:  Profit.


Prolly has had this planned out since Oregon offered Anderson.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 04, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
Quote
    @DaveTelep RT @AGoldFan: Miami is one of the WORST jobs in any BCS conference. No fans, no edge at home, marginal coverage and not a lot if $$
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 09:12:46 AM
Quote
SethDavisHoops Seth davis
Can't imagine it will take more than a few days for Miami to hire Frank Martin. Since he's from there the job has obvious appeal to him.

JESUS rough ridin' CHRIST.  _FAN is like THE most confusing dude to follow on this board.  First, he gives us the typical _FAN cool headed analysis that he thinks there is no way Frank leaves.  Then, he rough ridin' peppers us with tweets that basically say we are ass mumped.

 :dunno:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 09:13:04 AM
I hope we can get a reassuring "Dont Worry" from one of our players
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Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 09:15:07 AM
Quote
SethDavisHoops Seth davis
Can't imagine it will take more than a few days for Miami to hire Frank Martin. Since he's from there the job has obvious appeal to him.

JESUS rough ridin' CHRIST.  _FAN is like THE most confusing dude to follow on this board.  First, he gives us the typical _FAN cool headed analysis that he thinks there is no way Frank leaves.  Then, he rough ridin' peppers us with tweets that basically say we are ass mumped.

 :dunno:

pete, your reaction to this whole thing has been frantic and enjoyable. 
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: 8manpick on April 04, 2011, 09:15:30 AM
Thoughts on spamming Currie and Schulz's twitter pages with #PayFrankMore?
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Post by: pissclams on April 04, 2011, 09:15:52 AM
ya this isn't a fashion show so whoever said that steve henson is ugly needs to stick to watching vera wang and realize that steve henson knows more about college hoops in his brain than some of you can get through your thick skulls.


message to pete:  mike alden is a loser ad who only knows how to lose.  look at his track record.  terrible and he's messed up this one too.  who cares because k-state isn't effected only going to get better from all of this.  

when something bad happens it can either kill you or make you stronger, one of those two things only.  if it does not kill you then you get stronger and stronger, day by day by day.  pretty soon you are the big dog from being so strong you eliminate your competition because they are weak.  
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: mcmwcat on April 04, 2011, 09:16:03 AM
Not only does fan support not matter, neither does the U's ability to pay $2 mil. WVU didn't pay Huggs more than we were.

what do you think it would take for Martin+Hill+Figgs?  $1M + $.25M + $.15M  

about $1.5M for the trio?  can Miami afford even that?

or would they leave for lower?
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: bradleigh on April 04, 2011, 09:16:09 AM
why wouldn't frank leave?  it wasn't like ksu was setting attenedance records at KSU before Huggins/Martin got here.  As a fan base, we gave a sh*t about basketball just as much as Miami does.

This take is way off.  Huggs didn't have to win anything to fill the seats.  KSU is a bball school, and we were just looking for any excuse to celebrate bball again.
 :bball:

EDIT: Not that any of that matters in the context of this conversation.
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Post by: kcchiefdav on April 04, 2011, 09:16:10 AM
Quote
SethDavisHoops Seth davis
Can't imagine it will take more than a few days for Miami to hire Frank Martin. Since he's from there the job has obvious appeal to him.

Are there any national media CBB types that have fewer hoops contacts than Seth Davis? Him saying this actually calms my nerves about the potential of losing Frank.
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Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 09:16:46 AM
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/bad_career_move/
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Post by: The1BigWillie on April 04, 2011, 09:17:54 AM
We are so screwed.  If Frank hasn't squashed the rumors by morning then this thing is done.
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Post by: EllToPay on April 04, 2011, 09:18:48 AM
Quote
SethDavisHoops Seth davis
Can't imagine it will take more than a few days for Miami to hire Frank Martin. Since he's from there the job has obvious appeal to him.

One thing I've learned over the past month or so about Seth Davis is that really has no clue what he's talking about. He's not connected at all and his in-game analysis is just brutal. He's got a beautiful face for TV, and that's about it.
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Post by: TheMadCatter on April 04, 2011, 09:19:20 AM
This all is so beautifully painful.
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Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 09:19:27 AM
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/bad_career_move/

Quote
The four years in bold for Clemson are the Rick Barnes years, the only time the glass ceiling was broken at Clemson. Barnes shrewdly jumped to Texas in what some viewed as a lateral move in prestige. However the success he has had in Austin would not have been easily duplicated at Clemson.

 :love:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 09:20:04 AM
Quote
SethDavisHoops Seth davis
Can't imagine it will take more than a few days for Miami to hire Frank Martin. Since he's from there the job has obvious appeal to him.

JESUS effING CHRIST.  _FAN is like THE most confusing dude to follow on this board.  First, he gives us the typical _FAN cool headed analysis that he thinks there is no way Frank leaves.  Then, he effing peppers us with tweets that basically say we are ass effed.

 :dunno:

I like riling up the troops at goEMAW sometimes.

My worry level is less than 10%, FWIW.

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Post by: Emo EMAW on April 04, 2011, 09:20:10 AM
Mike Alden is playing chess while we play effing checkers.

Step 1:  Open the Miami Job
Step 2:  Get a decent coach with a super low buyout
Step 3:  Watch KSU crumble when Frank leaves
Step 4:  RE-take over spot as "second in the north"
Step 5:  Profit.


Prolly has had this planned out since Oregon offered Anderson.

You're not giving them enough credit.  Here's how it really went:

Step 1:  Create instability in the Big 12 by talking of move to Big 10, thereby creating uncertainty for KU and KSU and their future.
Step 2:  Nebraksa moves to Big 10, leaving MU as Big 12 "north" football power.
Step 3:  Open the Miami Job
Step 4:  Get a decent coach with a super low buyout
Step 5:  Watch KSU crumble when Frank leaves
Step 6:  RE-take over spot as "second in the north"
Step 7:  Profit.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 09:20:57 AM
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/969/1273426140627.jpg)
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 09:23:36 AM
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SethDavisHoops Seth davis
Can't imagine it will take more than a few days for Miami to hire Frank Martin. Since he's from there the job has obvious appeal to him.

One thing I've learned over the past month or so about Seth Davis is that really has no clue what he's talking about. He's not connected at all and his in-game analysis is just brutal. He's got a beautiful face for TV, and that's about it.

I agree that Davis is just throwing the natural connection out there, he has no real information.

But the past month has shown us that it really all depends on the agent and how he plays the media/twitter world. If Katz wants this to become a game, it will become a game, and we'll start getting all kinds of weird stuff out of local guys AND Miami people, probably starting today.
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Post by: Rams on April 04, 2011, 09:25:49 AM
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SethDavisHoops Seth davis
Can't imagine it will take more than a few days for Miami to hire Frank Martin. Since he's from there the job has obvious appeal to him.

JESUS effING CHRIST.  _FAN is like THE most confusing dude to follow on this board.  First, he gives us the typical _FAN cool headed analysis that he thinks there is no way Frank leaves.  Then, he effing peppers us with tweets that basically say we are ass effed.

 :dunno:

I like riling up the troops at goEMAW sometimes.

My worry level is less than 10%, FWIW.


I'm in _FAN's camp.  Sorta feels like nobody on here is really that worried, we're just all so intent on finding something relevant to bbs about that we're trying really hard to fake it.  Kinda sad.  :dunno:

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 09:26:06 AM
mellinger, like Davis, just throws stuff at the wall, hoping some will stick. He really knows nothing either.  He acts like its a new revelation that the DC Assault connection has dried up.

http://mellinger.kansascity.com/entries/franks-haith-and-martin-stress-missouri-and-k-state-and-its-all-related/
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Post by: hemmy on April 04, 2011, 09:26:42 AM
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Post by: _33 on April 04, 2011, 09:26:59 AM
This is the opportunity of a lifetime for Frank. Part of me just wants him to be happy. Would he be happier in Miami?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 09:27:14 AM
(http://www.topnews456.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/oscar-Pearl.jpg)
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 09:27:33 AM
mellinger, like Davis, just throws stuff at the wall, hoping some will stick. He really knows nothing either.  He acts like its a new revelation that the DC Assault connection has dried up.

http://mellinger.kansascity.com/entries/franks-haith-and-martin-stress-missouri-and-k-state-and-its-all-related/

He also acts like it's news that CK and Pullen are leaving.
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Post by: 8manpick on April 04, 2011, 09:27:47 AM
Mike Alden is playing chess while we play effing checkers.

Step 1:  Open the Miami Job
Step 2:  Get a decent coach with a super low buyout
Step 3:  Watch KSU crumble when Frank leaves
Step 4:  RE-take over spot as "second in the north"
Step 5:  Profit.


Prolly has had this planned out since Oregon offered Anderson.

You're not giving them enough credit.  Here's how it really went:

Step 1:  Create instability in the Big 12 by talking of move to Big 10, thereby creating uncertainty for KU and KSU and their future.
Step 2:  Nebraksa moves to Big 10, leaving MU as Big 12 "north" football power.
Step 3:  Open the Miami Job
Step 4:  Get a decent coach with a super low buyout
Step 5:  Watch KSU crumble when Frank leaves
Step 6:  RE-take over spot as "second in the north"
Step 6: Take over 4th or 5th spot in the big 12-2
Step 7:  Profit.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
If Katz wants this to become a game, it will become a game, and we'll start getting all kinds of weird stuff out of local guys AND Miami people, probably starting today.

I think I am going to write my dissertation on how these things go down.  I enjoy the eff out of them.  fwiw, it is a very good sign for those who want Frank to stay at KSU if it starts getting weird like that.
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Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 09:28:48 AM
FWIW, Frank's current buyout is $1 mil.

This needs to be discussed more.

Miami is struggling to find money to pay football coaches, has no AD, and they need to find $1 million for a buyout?

Where?  Do they have about ten condos on retainer somewhere that they can liquidate?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: j-dub on April 04, 2011, 09:28:55 AM
This is the opportunity of a lifetime for Frank. Part of me just wants him to be happy. Would he be happier in Miami?

his mom, shakey, art, the ocean/beach, seafood cuisine..

yeah. gonna say he'd be pretty happy.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 09:29:58 AM
How is it that Miami is so poor?  Always seemed like there was a lot of cash in that town?  A great way to launder drug money would be donations to a college.
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Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 09:32:33 AM
the shakey/art talking point is stupid imo
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 09:33:06 AM
I just want to say that if Frank goes to Miami he may make the NCAA tourney regularly, but he's not going to win any ACC titles . . . at least in the Big 12 there's pretty much only one school to beat.   As long as Roy and K are in their respective jobs their teams will male genitals punch Frank more times than not.  

So as it's been said, this is really all about where Frank would rather live and work, and if you were a major college basketball coach of Cuban heritage and you had significant ties to a burgeoning Latino/Hispanic American population of high school b-ball talent in Florida.   Where would you rather be?  Miami or Manhattan, KS?





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Post by: pissclams on April 04, 2011, 09:33:48 AM
imagine having the 2 Live Crew as your celeb fans instead of kelly clarkson, showing up to games and midnight madness and stuff.  lockerroom apperances.  incredible opportunity that frank is staring at right now.  how can he not take it?
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 09:34:11 AM
DeCoursey just said Miami can't/won't pay for FM.
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Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 09:35:54 AM
DeCoursey just said Miami can't/won't pay for FM.

how the f would he know?

don't do this to yourself, limestone.  just accept it and enjoy the bbs'ing.  We now have something to talk about until December that's not football related.   :love:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pissclams on April 04, 2011, 09:36:03 AM
DeCoursey just said Miami can't/won't pay for FM.

decoursey is kind of an idiot.
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Post by: j-dub on April 04, 2011, 09:36:22 AM
wish i could just be a shameless emaj.

in a 12 hour span they get a 5 star commit, and watch their two rivals effing implode.

unreal.

'grats beems.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: theodore donald on April 04, 2011, 09:40:36 AM
 :cheers:

WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock
Can't get n2 it on Twitter but Roy unhappy n CHill RT @JayDavis236: Leave Chapel Hill for Manhattan? Why? I thought UNC was Roy's dream job?


WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock
If Frank Martin takes Miami job, word I'm hearing is Roy Williams takes over at K-State (6 yrs $120 mil). UNC won't match. Doherty returns
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Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 09:41:07 AM
lol, whitlock
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Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 09:41:38 AM
:cheers:

WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock
Can't get n2 it on Twitter but Roy unhappy n CHill RT @JayDavis236: Leave Chapel Hill for Manhattan? Why? I thought UNC was Roy's dream job?


WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock
If Frank Martin takes Miami job, word I'm hearing is Roy Williams takes over at K-State (6 yrs $120 mil). UNC won't match. Doherty returns


Saw that. Tweeted him that this is not a laughing matter!
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 09:43:53 AM
The offer of Ron Prince's old house on Colbert Hill seals the deal . . . Roy to Manhattan.

Roy arrives in Manhattan, reminds everyone that it's not the East Coast and will be hard to recruit to . . . produces mediocre teams, but his short game improves dramatically under the watchful eye of Jim Colbert's grandson.

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 09:44:16 AM
WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock
Aggieville&OctogonOfDoom RT @ryanwillcott: Roy left KU, a great program & great pay to go home to UNC, why would he come back 2 KU's rival?


reeling 'em in
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 04, 2011, 09:45:44 AM
this brad underwood is just the type of young, energetic, offensively minded coach that i think all ksu bball cats fans could really get behind. this program will soar to new heights without negator martin holding them down.  
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Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 09:47:19 AM
DeCoursey just said Miami can't/won't pay for FM.

Don't listen to them, Limestone.  This is a legitimate talking point.

People, they hired Al Golden.  The U hired Al Golden because they don't have any money.

In all reality, this is the BEST time this job could come open.  They bought out Randy Shannon (which drained them), they couldn't scrape enough money to hire more than their third or fourth option for a coach, and now they have to try and hire another coach at around $1.3-$1.5 million and come up with money for his assistants?

Frank doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that's going to leave his staff behind without assurance they'll be taken care of, and I highly doubt that Currie would agree to hire Underwood and keep anyone.  

If Frank can't go and take his staff with him, or know they'll be taken care of in Manhattan, he'll stay.  I think we've got the leverage here.  I'm with _FAN.
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 09:48:23 AM
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DickieV Dick Vitale
Coaching changes continue - Haith to Mizzou.Let's be honest Miami even with Heat & South Beach not a plum Hoops job! Very little interest!
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Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 09:50:44 AM
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DickieV Dick Vitale
Coaching changes continue - Haith to Mizzou.Let's be honest Miami even with Heat & South Beach not a plum Hoops job! Very little interest!

We need you Dicky V. Now more than ever.
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Post by: WavetheWheat on April 04, 2011, 09:52:04 AM
Haith is making $1.5mil at Miami.
Title: Re: The 2011 Coaching Carousel Master Thread
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2011, 09:53:14 AM
I have no idea what is in Frank's head.  But, IF he does want to go home, why is Miami worse than we were when he took over?  You think South Florida kids care if Miami didnt have years of pre segregation basketball glory like we do?

All it takes is for one alum to step up with cash for a practice facility, and Franks cooking down there.   Do Michael Irvine or Portis like hoops?

Frank will not get the benefit of having Michael Beasley on the team his first year at Miami, but other than that, you are right.

It does sound like K-State has more money than Miami (no idea how this is the case). We also have better facilities.
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Post by: FranklyFrankYou on April 04, 2011, 09:54:55 AM
Haith is making $1.5mil at Miami.  :users:
Quit rooting against us damn it
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 09:55:18 AM
Miami just built a brand new basketball arena.

It's empty for every game, but it is really nice.

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Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 09:58:08 AM
Miami is a private school with 15K students. This is part of the reason for their athletic money struggles, especially with a president that doesn't seem to make a big deal out of athletics.
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Post by: Dave Wooderson on April 04, 2011, 09:58:40 AM
We all knew this day would come.  Well it's here and we can get it out of the way.  Frank stays this time, he will be here for a long-long-long time.
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Post by: WavetheWheat on April 04, 2011, 09:58:51 AM
Haith is making $1.5mil at Miami.  :users:
Quit rooting against us damn it

I am not rooting against you.  Just rooting for the drama.  It takes my mind off gagging away NCs in hoops and our God awful football program starting again with the ORIGINAL overpaid reach hire.

--

I was just filling DeCorsey in....he didn't believe Frank Haith was making 1.5/year.
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Post by: pissclams on April 04, 2011, 09:59:44 AM
imagine if you will a sold out arena.  no lights are on, the place is pitch black.   smoke machines fill the air with smoke coming from a  tunnel that leads out of the hurricane lockerroom.  luther campbell's voice comes over the arena sound system "ladies and gentleman of miami hurricane fandom, please join me in welcoming the U's new head basketball coach, frank marty martin!" as frank emerges through the smoke from the locker room wearing a brand new green suit and orange tie, and orange alligator cowboy boots (a tribute to his former school, kansas state).  the crowd roars, the dunk line is in full swing, and 2 live crew breaks into the chorus of Me Soo Horny.  the blue devils, visitors on this night from Duke, realize that their days at the top of the ACC pack are over with.

after the game, a 100-74 hurricane win, frank sits with art, a few 5 star highschool recruits, and lebron james sipping cognac and ripping g-cush in biscayne bay on lebron's yacht until 7am the next morning.  life's good.
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Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 04, 2011, 10:00:29 AM
Haith is making $1.5mil at Miami.

Anyone know what Haith's buyout was if Miami were to fire him?  Wondering if Miami couldn't afford to fire him (being on the hot seat for the past couple of years), and so instead Haith did Miami a great favor by taking another position.
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 10:01:17 AM
the shakey/art talking point is stupid imo

I think that is just a place holder for "South Florida AAU types" being easier to recruit from if you are actually in South Florida.  


By the way, did you know Trick Daddy is a Miami rapper.  What ever happened to him.  I'd liked that "Take it to the house" song a whole bunch.
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Post by: chunkles on April 04, 2011, 10:01:31 AM
just to be sure, there is no homeboner out-clause, right?  like Huggy and WV?  fool us once and stuff? help
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Post by: Dub on April 04, 2011, 10:02:34 AM
We can talk about many reasons why he won't go, but it's home.  People do crazy things to go home.
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 10:02:51 AM
imagine having the 2 Live Crew as your celeb fans instead of kelly clarkson, showing up to games and midnight madness and stuff.  lockerroom apperances.  incredible opportunity that frank is staring at right now.  how can he not take it?

Luther has been banned from the U.  More like Gloria Estefan would be showing up, but still amazing.
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Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 10:03:23 AM
Quote from:  BITB
First let me say I don't think Miami is a real threat to make a play for
Frank Martin. It just seems like a step down.

But there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding Frank's salary. He does NOT make $1.5m per year at KSU. Every contract is different and everyone loves to use the term "incentives." Well, Frank has a very big incentive to stay the full term of the deal. It's a "retention incentive" and it was perhaps the most important part of the contract from John Currie and KSU's stand point.

Frank made $1.1 million this year, probably more than he ever thought he would make, but about half what some coaches of his stature are commanding. It is a well below market value deal with a pair of big incentives after 5 years that would bump his number up to the average of $1.5m if he stays the whole time.

Frank has small kids, genuinely likes Manhattan and KSU and is loyal and thankful to have the opportunity to coach at this level and make a great living.

But don't kid yourselves, the way this stuff is going, Frank Martin is quickly becoming underpaid and bigger threats than Miami will surface if he keeps winning.
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Post by: EllToPay on April 04, 2011, 10:04:38 AM
Quote from:  BITB
First let me say I don't think Miami is a real threat to make a play for
Frank Martin. It just seems like a step down.

But there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding Frank's salary. He does NOT make $1.5m per year at KSU. Every contract is different and everyone loves to use the term "incentives." Well, Frank has a very big incentive to stay the full term of the deal. It's a "retention incentive" and it was perhaps the most important part of the contract from John Currie and KSU's stand point.

Frank made $1.1 million this year, probably more than he ever thought he would make, but about half what some coaches of his stature are commanding. It is a well below market value deal with a pair of big incentives after 5 years that would bump his number up to the average of $1.5m if he stays the whole time.

Frank has small kids, genuinely likes Manhattan and KSU and is loyal and thankful to have the opportunity to coach at this level and make a great living.

But don't kid yourselves, the way this stuff is going, Frank Martin is quickly becoming underpaid and bigger threats than Miami will surface if he keeps winning.

my god, he's just getting warmed up for 2:00
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Post by: pissclams on April 04, 2011, 10:04:46 AM
luther's ban from the U expired, he's very connected to the U.  the temp AD reinstated him to the U's HoF.  nice try though.  
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 10:05:37 AM
Miami just built a brand new basketball arena.

It's empty for every game, but it is really nice.



It only seats around 8K. They averaged 4763 this season.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 10:06:39 AM
Mike Alden is playing chess while we play rough ridin' checkers.

Step 1:  Open the Miami Job
Step 2:  Get a decent coach with a super low buyout
Step 3:  Watch KSU crumble when Frank leaves
Step 4:  RE-take over spot as "second in the north"
Step 5:  Profit.


Prolly has had this planned out since Oregon offered Anderson.

Way too much credit being given here to a uni that starts with Brad Stevens, hops to Painter, limps to New Mexico, then drags their beaten asses to Miami.

The above scenario is slightly less likely than EMAWgeddon's(SP):
1. Pony
2. ?
3. Profit



Also, I am with _FAN on the 10% worry thing.

Lastly:  LOL at MU.  losers.  
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Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 04, 2011, 10:07:48 AM
Miami just built a brand new basketball arena.

It's empty for every game, but it is really nice.



It only seats around 8K. They averaged 4763 this season.

 :barf:

Won't take much for Frank to fill those seats.
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 04, 2011, 10:08:28 AM
luther's ban from the U expired, he's very connected to the U.  the temp AD reinstated him to the U's HoF.  nice try though.  

luther would most def return calls and texts from curtis malone lackeys that are looking to get paid for steering recruits their way. contrast that with some ksu backer that i know and it's instant advantage to the hurricanes of miami. no brainer for frank.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2011, 10:10:07 AM
I think Frank might hold out for the UCF job so his kids can get season passes to Disney World.
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Post by: Joker on April 04, 2011, 10:10:15 AM
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@SaveUMFootballUM Basketball Coaching Update: UM is already in talks with several candidates. One is originally from Miami. Time will tell.

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@SaveUMFootball Yes, Frank Martin is a candidate. Yes, he has been contacted. Who knows what will happen. It's been less than 24 hours. There are more.
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Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 10:10:36 AM
(http://www.topnews456.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/oscar-Pearl.jpg)

Show Cause hearing is in June, per MU coaching discussion last week on 810.  They said that the timing of the hearing sucks because he will be too late to get on somewhere for next season.  So, hire pearl now would be a huge gamble, because we may be doing the whole thing again in June.

Of course, if he doesn't get the Show cause, we would get him cheaper than VCU is paying Shaka.  
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Post by: Emo EMAW on April 04, 2011, 10:11:52 AM
Mike Alden is playing chess while we play effing checkers.

Step 1:  Open the Miami Job
Step 2:  Get a decent coach with a super low buyout
Step 3:  Watch KSU crumble when Frank leaves
Step 4:  RE-take over spot as "second in the north"
Step 5:  Profit.


Prolly has had this planned out since Oregon offered Anderson.

Way too much credit being given here to a uni that starts with Brad Stevens, hops to Painter, limps to New Mexico, then drags their beaten asses to Miami.

The above scenario is slightly less likely than EMAWgeddon's(SP):
1. Pony
2. ?
3. Profit



Also, I am with _FAN on the 10% worry thing.

Lastly:  LOL at MU.  losers.  

It all started the year KU won the Orange Bowl.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 10:13:23 AM
Frank had a base salary of $1.2 million for this year, it goes to $1.3 million next year, and then add another $100K a year all the way up to $1.6 million.

If he leaves K-State this year, he owes K-State $1 million.  

He got nearly $500K in the form of a signing bonus last year.  

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Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
Frank had a base salary of $1.2 million for this year, it goes to $1.3 million next year, and then add another $100K a year all the way up to $1.6 million.

If he leaves K-State this year, he owes K-State $1 million.  

He got nearly $500K in the form of a signing bonus last year.  



So he can split the buy out with The U.  Great.
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 10:17:20 AM
Miami just built a brand new basketball arena.

It's empty for every game, but it is really nice.



It only seats around 8K. They averaged 4763 this season.

 :barf:

Won't take much for Frank to fill those seats.

Miami hasn't averaged over 5K in attendance in any single season in the last 10 years.  Their best single season attendance in their heyday under Hamilton was less than 6K average.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 10:17:45 AM
Frank had a base salary of $1.2 million for this year, it goes to $1.3 million next year, and then add another $100K a year all the way up to $1.6 million.

If he leaves K-State this year, he owes K-State $1 million.  

He got nearly $500K in the form of a signing bonus last year.  



You gotta sell a lot of copies of "As Nasty as They Wanna Be" to afford that jack.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2011, 10:18:08 AM
(http://www.topnews456.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/oscar-Pearl.jpg)

Show Cause hearing is in June, per MU coaching discussion last week on 810.  They said that the timing of the hearing sucks because he will be too late to get on somewhere for next season.  So, hire pearl now would be a huge gamble, because we may be doing the whole thing again in June.

Of course, if he doesn't get the Show cause, we would get him cheaper than VCU is paying Shaka.  

If we hire Pearl before the show cause hearing, would we still have to show cause for hiring him? How does the "Show Cause" thing work? Would we lose a scholarship for a few years or something? If that's all that happens, Pearl is definitely worth it.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Bill Clarahan on April 04, 2011, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from:  BITB
First let me say I don't think Miami is a real threat to make a play for
Frank Martin. It just seems like a step down.

But there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding Frank's salary. He does NOT make $1.5m per year at KSU. Every contract is different and everyone loves to use the term "incentives." Well, Frank has a very big incentive to stay the full term of the deal. It's a "retention incentive" and it was perhaps the most important part of the contract from John Currie and KSU's stand point.

Frank made $1.1 million this year, probably more than he ever thought he would make, but about half what some coaches of his stature are commanding. It is a well below market value deal with a pair of big incentives after 5 years that would bump his number up to the average of $1.5m if he stays the whole time.

Frank has small kids, genuinely likes Manhattan and KSU and is loyal and thankful to have the opportunity to coach at this level and make a great living.

But don't kid yourselves, the way this stuff is going, Frank Martin is quickly becoming underpaid and bigger threats than Miami will surface if he keeps winning.


Well KK being the genius he is, just repeated something he heard from some 3rd grade Quatz fans, and trys to make it sound newsworthy.

But it will suck in a lot of GPtard for 2 PM
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 10:20:25 AM
Frank will get paid somewhere between $96-$150K in bonuses for this last year, it depends on how the APR score looks.

If my calculations are right he received in excess of $150K in performance bonuses last year.   So all in all, K-State has paid Frank nearly $3 million dollars in the last 2 years.

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 10:21:24 AM
(http://www.topnews456.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/oscar-Pearl.jpg)

Show Cause hearing is in June, per MU coaching discussion last week on 810.  They said that the timing of the hearing sucks because he will be too late to get on somewhere for next season.  So, hire pearl now would be a huge gamble, because we may be doing the whole thing again in June.

Of course, if he doesn't get the Show cause, we would get him cheaper than VCU is paying Shaka.  

If we hire Pearl before the show cause hearing, would we still have to show cause for hiring him? How does the "Show Cause" thing work? Would we lose a scholarship for a few years or something? If that's all that happens, Pearl is definitely worth it.

If we hire him and he gets show caused, my understanding is that we will either have to start the hoop jumping to show why we think he would behave at KSU or oscar would have to be let go and a new search started.  

I have also heard that if we do jump hoops and get him able to coach, that they may invoke some sort of penalty on our team('ship limits, etc) or something like that.  This was just during some discussion I over heard on one of the radio stations a few weeks ago.  Not sure if this is accurate or not.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Jarvis_Cat on April 04, 2011, 10:22:03 AM
That 500k signing bonus....Doesn't he have to pay some of that back if he doesn't stay for all the years of the contract? I thought I remember that being part of the deal.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: yat on April 04, 2011, 10:22:20 AM
I mean, JFC

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2010/08/lebron-james-plays-pickup-ball-with-university-of-miami/
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 10:23:14 AM
That 500k signing bonus....Doesn't he have to pay some of that back if he doesn't stay for all the years of the contract? I thought I remember that being part of the deal.

As I read it the date of payback passed in Oct. 2010.

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 10:24:13 AM
Haith is to MU as Chizik is to Auburn?

 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2011, 10:25:43 AM
Haith is to MU as Chizik is to Auburn?

 :horrorsurprise:

 :lol:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 10:25:54 AM
Gloria Estefan, daughter of Cuban immigrants, graduated from college in 1979 with a B.A. in psychology, with a minor in French, from the University of Miami.  The family lives in the Star Island section of Miami Beach, Florida


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yE_Ny57JjWU/TJZtmisAQUI/AAAAAAAABPY/C1cyDeX4_qQ/s1600/2010-08-19_221207.jpg)



JFC, she's proud of her school...
(http://www.miami.edu/EE/images/uploads/commencement/featurephotos/commencement_post2.jpg)
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 10:26:11 AM
That 500k signing bonus....Doesn't he have to pay some of that back if he doesn't stay for all the years of the contract? I thought I remember that being part of the deal.

No, that's all his now. He would've only lost part of that if he had left after last season.

http://www.wibw.com/sports/headlines/86755362.html
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 10:26:42 AM
DeCoursey just said Miami can't/won't pay for FM.

Don't listen to them, Limestone.  This is a legitimate talking point.

People, they hired Al Golden.  The U hired Al Golden because they don't have any money.

In all reality, this is the BEST time this job could come open.  They bought out Randy Shannon (which drained them), they couldn't scrape enough money to hire more than their third or fourth option for a coach, and now they have to try and hire another coach at around $1.3-$1.5 million and come up with money for his assistants?

Frank doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that's going to leave his staff behind without assurance they'll be taken care of, and I highly doubt that Currie would agree to hire Underwood and keep anyone.  

If Frank can't go and take his staff with him, or know they'll be taken care of in Manhattan, he'll stay.  I think we've got the leverage here.  I'm with _FAN.


I agree with your stance, but regarding the Al Golden hire, do you know what he is getting paid there?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 10:27:14 AM
(http://www.themiamihurricane.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/IMG_2149-copy1-150x150.jpg)

The Duane Johnson Practice Facility.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 04, 2011, 10:27:28 AM
Frank will get paid somewhere between $96-$150K in bonuses for this last year, it depends on how the APR score looks.

If my calculations are right he received in excess of $150K in performance bonuses last year.   So all in all, K-State has paid Frank nearly $3 million dollars in the last 2 years.



so haith made 3.0 during his last two years at miami and frank made less than that over the last two years, but somehow miami can't pay frank enough to get him. is that what we're saying?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: catzacker on April 04, 2011, 10:27:39 AM
if frank only made 1.1M, Miami could offer 1.3M/yr for 5 years and with the 200K saved/budgeted from Haith's contract (he made 1.5) pay the 1M buyout.  Not that hard to finance.  
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 10:28:12 AM
Frank will get a $250K retention bonus in April of 2012, he we get a $500K retention bonus in May of 2014.

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 10:28:36 AM
Guess who has an open invitation to take oscar out on Tuttle in his new Stingray?

 :gocho:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 04, 2011, 10:29:23 AM
Guess who has an open invitation to take oscar out on Tuttle in his new Stingray?

 :gocho:

JFC, at least go to Milford.  Not even Pearl is dirty enough to jump in that mud hole.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 10:29:32 AM
Frank will get paid somewhere between $96-$150K in bonuses for this last year, it depends on how the APR score looks.

If my calculations are right he received in excess of $150K in performance bonuses last year.   So all in all, K-State has paid Frank nearly $3 million dollars in the last 2 years.



so haith made 3.0 during his last two years at miami and frank made less than that over the last two years, but somehow miami can't pay frank enough to get him. is that what we're saying?

I am just posting contract information, make of it what you will.

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 10:30:47 AM
(http://www.themiamihurricane.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/IMG_2149-copy1-150x150.jpg)

The Duane Johnson Practice Facility.

What do you want to bet that Frank will simply refer to the practice facility as "The Rock."  JFC, that will be nails.  

"You have to bust your ass on the Rock if you want playing time."  

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 10:32:00 AM
I just want to say that if Frank goes to Miami he may make the NCAA tourney regularly, but he's not going to win any ACC titles . . . at least in the Big 12 there's pretty much only one school to beat.   As long as Roy and K are in their respective jobs their teams will crock punch Frank more times than not.  

So as it's been said, this is really all about where Frank would rather live and work, and if you were a major college basketball coach of Cuban heritage and you had significant ties to a burgeoning Latino/Hispanic American population of high school b-ball talent in Florida.   Where would you rather be?  Miami or Manhattan, KS?

The "winning in the ACC is too hard" talking point is 'tarded.  Coach K and Roy are each like 80 and Roy had a crap season last year.  Frank will be very successful
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: ednksu on April 04, 2011, 10:32:15 AM
(http://www.topnews456.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/oscar-Pearl.jpg)

Show Cause hearing is in June, per MU coaching discussion last week on 810.  They said that the timing of the hearing sucks because he will be too late to get on somewhere for next season.  So, hire pearl now would be a huge gamble, because we may be doing the whole thing again in June.

Of course, if he doesn't get the Show cause, we would get him cheaper than VCU is paying Shaka.  

If we hire Pearl before the show cause hearing, would we still have to show cause for hiring him? How does the "Show Cause" thing work? Would we lose a scholarship for a few years or something? If that's all that happens, Pearl is definitely worth it.

If we hire him and he gets show caused, my understanding is that we will either have to start the hoop jumping to show why we think he would behave at KSU or oscar would have to be let go and a new search started.  

I have also heard that if we do jump hoops and get him able to coach, that they may invoke some sort of penalty on our team('ship limits, etc) or something like that.  This was just during some discussion I over heard on one of the radio stations a few weeks ago.  Not sure if this is accurate or not.
that girl has some epic tits
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 10:32:34 AM
(http://static.technorati.com/10/05/27/13293/kelvin-sampson.jpg)


"Hey Guys, I can get angry looking too!"
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 10:32:52 AM
....Pictures of Greenawalt posing with the Rock.   :love:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: _33 on April 04, 2011, 10:33:22 AM
(http://www.themiamihurricane.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/IMG_2149-copy1-150x150.jpg)

The Duane Johnson Practice Facility.

What do you want to bet that Frank will simply refer to the practice facility as "The Rock."  JFC, that will be nails.  

"You have to bust your ass on the Rock if you want playing time."  



That really would be awesome. Sounds badass.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 10:33:34 AM
Cartierfor 3 . . .

Read this again:

As long as Roy and K are in their respective jobs their teams will crock punch Frank more times than not.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: ednksu on April 04, 2011, 10:33:41 AM
I just want to say that if Frank goes to Miami he may make the NCAA tourney regularly, but he's not going to win any ACC titles . . . at least in the Big 12 there's pretty much only one school to beat.   As long as Roy and K are in their respective jobs their teams will crock punch Frank more times than not.  

So as it's been said, this is really all about where Frank would rather live and work, and if you were a major college basketball coach of Cuban heritage and you had significant ties to a burgeoning Latino/Hispanic American population of high school b-ball talent in Florida.   Where would you rather be?  Miami or Manhattan, KS?

The "winning in the ACC is too hard" talking point is 'tarded.  Coach K and Roy are each like 80 and Roy had a crap season last year.  Frank will be very successful
crap season playing in the conference title game?  try new talking points from people who watched the acc all year and who aren't KU fans.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 10:34:37 AM
Man, in retrospect, I'm really glad I started this thread.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 10:35:52 AM
Cartierfor 3 . . .

Read this again:

As long as Roy and K are in their respective jobs their teams will crock punch Frank more times than not.


Didn't make sense to me either
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pissclams on April 04, 2011, 10:36:28 AM
roy had a crap season by winning the regular season ACC champy.  k.

fwiw, i just don't see roy taking over after frank leaves, i just don't see it.  maybe since anything is possible but who knows, not this ksu cats, .
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 10:37:12 AM
roy had a crap season by winning the regular season ACC champy.  k.

fwiw, i just don't see roy taking over after frank leaves, i just don't see it.  maybe since anything is possible but who knows, not this ksu cats, .

I think he meant the year before. Also,


greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
I truly feel bad for Frank Haith. He doesn't deserve today's scorn. Mike Alden deserves every bit of it


BITB
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 10:37:20 AM
(http://www.topnews456.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/oscar-Pearl.jpg)

Show Cause hearing is in June, per MU coaching discussion last week on 810.  They said that the timing of the hearing sucks because he will be too late to get on somewhere for next season.  So, hire pearl now would be a huge gamble, because we may be doing the whole thing again in June.

Of course, if he doesn't get the Show cause, we would get him cheaper than VCU is paying Shaka.  

If we hire Pearl before the show cause hearing, would we still have to show cause for hiring him? How does the "Show Cause" thing work? Would we lose a scholarship for a few years or something? If that's all that happens, Pearl is definitely worth it.

If we hire him and he gets show caused, my understanding is that we will either have to start the hoop jumping to show why we think he would behave at KSU or oscar would have to be let go and a new search started.  

I have also heard that if we do jump hoops and get him able to coach, that they may invoke some sort of penalty on our team('ship limits, etc) or something like that.  This was just during some discussion I over heard on one of the radio stations a few weeks ago.  Not sure if this is accurate or not.
that girl has some epic tits

Yeah, oscar will not come.  He is too used to outlandishly nice things.  We cannot compare.  I have never seen a pic of oscar where at min 98% of the people in the pic with him aren't amazing looking.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: _33 on April 04, 2011, 10:38:27 AM
roy had a crap season by winning the regular season ACC champy.  k.

fwiw, i just don't see roy taking over after frank leaves, i just don't see it.  maybe since anything is possible but who knows, not this ksu cats, .

He has to at least consider it. He could put the state of Kansas at center court only with the star on Manhattan. Could be appealing.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 10:38:53 AM
I just want to say that if Frank goes to Miami he may make the NCAA tourney regularly, but he's not going to win any ACC titles . . . at least in the Big 12 there's pretty much only one school to beat.   As long as Roy and K are in their respective jobs their teams will crock punch Frank more times than not.  

So as it's been said, this is really all about where Frank would rather live and work, and if you were a major college basketball coach of Cuban heritage and you had significant ties to a burgeoning Latino/Hispanic American population of high school b-ball talent in Florida.   Where would you rather be?  Miami or Manhattan, KS?

The "winning in the ACC is too hard" talking point is 'tarded.  Coach K and Roy are each like 80 and Roy had a cac season last year.  Frank will be very successful
cac season playing in the conference title game?  try new talking points from people who watched the acc all year and who aren't KU fans.


http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/153/year/2010/north-carolina-tar-heels (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/153/year/2010/north-carolina-tar-heels)

 :users:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 10:40:42 AM
It's easy . . . Frank grinder ball using Frank's kind of recruits does not translate into many wins against Roy Williams and Coach K type teams.   Yes, they'll be the occasional upset, but more times than not Frank will get thrashed by those guys.

If Frank wants to make 3rd place in the ACC his goal in life and regular NCAA tourney appearances than Miami is where he should go . . . and if several other ACC fanbases would just accept that, they'd be better off for it as well.





Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 10:42:14 AM
I just want to say that if Frank goes to Miami he may make the NCAA tourney regularly, but he's not going to win any ACC titles . . . at least in the Big 12 there's pretty much only one school to beat.   As long as Roy and K are in their respective jobs their teams will crock punch Frank more times than not.  

So as it's been said, this is really all about where Frank would rather live and work, and if you were a major college basketball coach of Cuban heritage and you had significant ties to a burgeoning Latino/Hispanic American population of high school b-ball talent in Florida.   Where would you rather be?  Miami or Manhattan, KS?

The "winning in the ACC is too hard" talking point is 'tarded.  Coach K and Roy are each like 80 and Roy had a cac season last year.  Frank will be very successful
cac season playing in the conference title game?  try new talking points from people who watched the acc all year and who aren't KU fans.


http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/153/year/2010/north-carolina-tar-heels (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/153/year/2010/north-carolina-tar-heels)

 :users:

They followed it up with winning the ACC regular season title and going to the Elite 8.  Don't be dumb.

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
Quote
NO

 :emawkid:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2011, 10:45:00 AM
(http://www.topnews456.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/oscar-Pearl.jpg)

Show Cause hearing is in June, per MU coaching discussion last week on 810.  They said that the timing of the hearing sucks because he will be too late to get on somewhere for next season.  So, hire pearl now would be a huge gamble, because we may be doing the whole thing again in June.

Of course, if he doesn't get the Show cause, we would get him cheaper than VCU is paying Shaka.  

If we hire Pearl before the show cause hearing, would we still have to show cause for hiring him? How does the "Show Cause" thing work? Would we lose a scholarship for a few years or something? If that's all that happens, Pearl is definitely worth it.

If we hire him and he gets show caused, my understanding is that we will either have to start the hoop jumping to show why we think he would behave at KSU or oscar would have to be let go and a new search started.  

I have also heard that if we do jump hoops and get him able to coach, that they may invoke some sort of penalty on our team('ship limits, etc) or something like that.  This was just during some discussion I over heard on one of the radio stations a few weeks ago.  Not sure if this is accurate or not.
that girl has some epic tits

Yeah, oscar will not come.  He is too used to outlandishly nice things.  We cannot compare.  I have never seen a pic of oscar where at min 98% of the people in the pic with him aren't amazing looking.

Amazing looking people follow oscar. He doesn't have to follow them.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: ednksu on April 04, 2011, 10:46:31 AM
Quote
NO

 :emawkid:

:surprised:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 10:47:08 AM
Quote
NO

 :emawkid:

:surprised:

From the best poster at GP, FWIW.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Joker on April 04, 2011, 10:48:07 AM
Quote
NO

 :emawkid:

:surprised:

From the best poster at GP, FWIW.

bp?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 10:48:20 AM
Quote
NO

 :emawkid:

:surprised:

From the best poster at GP, FWIW.

How does said poster know
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 10:48:36 AM
Quote
NO

 :emawkid:

:surprised:

From the best poster at GP, FWIW.

 :bracketmouse:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 10:49:09 AM
lots of good stuff in this thread. A little dumbassery mixed in. Pretty good goEMAW.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 10:50:59 AM
Quote
NO

 :emawkid:

:surprised:

From the best poster at GP, FWIW.

How does said poster know

Frank and BP are buddies.  Have been for a long time.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 10:51:23 AM
lots of good stuff in this thread. A little dumbassery mixed in. Pretty good goEMAW.

 :dubious:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 10:52:50 AM
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/tiger-tracker/article_cc3c0c30-5ecf-11e0-9c5c-001a4bcf6878.html
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Rams on April 04, 2011, 10:54:57 AM
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/tiger-tracker/article_cc3c0c30-5ecf-11e0-9c5c-001a4bcf6878.html
:lol:

What a clusterfuck.  This is fantastic.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 10:56:14 AM
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/tiger-tracker/article_cc3c0c30-5ecf-11e0-9c5c-001a4bcf6878.html
:lol:

What a clusterfuck.  This is fantastic.

What does this mean though? Is there a chance he will stay at miami if these dudes don't approve? Would Miami take him back!?!?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 10:58:42 AM
It's a Board Member(s) just looking to CYA . . . I had a lot of questions about this hire, but the AD answered those questions to my/our satisfaction at the time.

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 10:59:54 AM
(http://0.tqn.com/d/collegebasketball/1/0/0/2/-/-/kelvin-sampson-Elsa.jpg)

I LOVE MANHATTAN!  COME ON!
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Rams on April 04, 2011, 11:01:01 AM
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/tiger-tracker/article_cc3c0c30-5ecf-11e0-9c5c-001a4bcf6878.html
:lol:

What a clusterfuck.  This is fantastic.

What does this mean though? Is there a chance he will stay at miami if these dudes don't approve? Would Miami take him back!?!?
Don't know whether he could/would stay at Miami at this point, but if the board doesn't approve him he's sure as hell not going to MU and I can't imagine how Alden saves his own ass if this the board doesn't approve the hire. 

Don't really care whether Miami opens up or not though.  I'm bored with the Frank to Miami bbs'ing. It's not gonna happen.  Just loving the MU implosion.  :emawkid:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: MadCat on April 04, 2011, 11:01:18 AM
OH YE OF LITTLE HAITH
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 11:02:45 AM
goEMAW friend Greg Doyel coming up on this http://www.kfns.com/Other/streamtheworld.html to discuss MU hire I think.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 11:04:55 AM
Quote
NO

 :emawkid:

:surprised:

From the best poster at GP, FWIW.

Did that post get deleted? Does'nt seem to be there anymore.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Gooch on April 04, 2011, 11:06:04 AM
:runaway:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 11:06:57 AM
Quote
SethDavisHoops Seth davis
@kyleseiwert That's more like it. K State is def a better job, but Miami is home for Frank and he has had his eye on other jobs. Wait n see.

eye on other jobs huh. Just like every other coach out there. jfc.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 04, 2011, 11:08:21 AM
Quote
SethDavisHoops Seth davis
@kyleseiwert That's more like it. K State is def a better job, but Miami is home for Frank and he has had his eye on other jobs. Wait n see.

eye on other jobs huh. Just like every other coach out there. jfc.

Concept of keeping options open doesn't fly with that Seth Davis guy.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Rams on April 04, 2011, 11:08:40 AM
Quote
NO

 :emawkid:

:surprised:

From the best poster at GP, FWIW.

Did that post get deleted? Does'nt seem to be there anymore.


no

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&tid=143672091&mid=143672091&sid=889&style=2 (http://no

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&tid=143672091&mid=143672091&sid=889&style=2)
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 11:09:11 AM
Nick Russell:  "The sun will come out tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow there'll be sun!"

Me:  Are you trying to hint that you're all following Frank to Miami?

Nick: (no answer yet). 

 :runaway: :runaway:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
Shaka staying at VCU per Doyel
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Rams on April 04, 2011, 11:10:10 AM
Nick Russell:  "The sun will come out tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow there'll be sun!"

Me:  Are you trying to hint that you're all following Frank to Miami?

Nick: (no answer yet). 

 :runaway: :runaway:
:popcorn:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kougar24 on April 04, 2011, 11:10:54 AM
BITB weighs in:

Quote from: BITB
First let me say I don't think Miami is a real threat to make a play for
Frank Martin. It just seems like a step down.

But there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding Frank's salary. He does NOT make $1.5m per year at KSU. Every contract is different and everyone loves to use the term "incentives." Well, Frank has a very big incentive to stay the full term of the deal. It's a "retention incentive" and it was perhaps the most important part of the contract from John Currie and KSU's stand point.

Frank made $1.1 million this year, probably more than he ever thought he would make, but about half what some coaches of his stature are commanding. It is a well below market value deal with a pair of big incentives after 5 years that would bump his number up to the average of $1.5m if he stays the whole time.

Frank has small kids, genuinely likes Manhattan and KSU and is loyal and thankful to have the opportunity to coach at this level and make a great living.

But don't kid yourselves, the way this stuff is going, Frank Martin is quickly becoming underpaid and bigger threats than Miami will surface if he keeps winning.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 11:11:45 AM
BITB weighs in:

Quote from: BITB
First let me say I don't think Miami is a real threat to make a play for
Frank Martin. It just seems like a step down.

But there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding Frank's salary. He does NOT make $1.5m per year at KSU. Every contract is different and everyone loves to use the term "incentives." Well, Frank has a very big incentive to stay the full term of the deal. It's a "retention incentive" and it was perhaps the most important part of the contract from John Currie and KSU's stand point.

Frank made $1.1 million this year, probably more than he ever thought he would make, but about half what some coaches of his stature are commanding. It is a well below market value deal with a pair of big incentives after 5 years that would bump his number up to the average of $1.5m if he stays the whole time.

Frank has small kids, genuinely likes Manhattan and KSU and is loyal and thankful to have the opportunity to coach at this level and make a great living.

But don't kid yourselves, the way this stuff is going, Frank Martin is quickly becoming underpaid and bigger threats than Miami will surface if he keeps winning.

welcome to about 7 pages ago kougz  :excited:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 11:12:32 AM
Quote
SethDavisHoops Seth davis
@kyleseiwert That's more like it. K State is def a better job, but Miami is home for Frank and he has had his eye on other jobs. Wait n see.

eye on other jobs huh. Just like every other coach out there. jfc.

Dude, it's Seth.  He's horrible.  Just let him be horrible.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 11:12:50 AM
Shaka staying at VCU per Doyel


pffftttt, career suicide if he does
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
Quote
NO

 :emawkid:

:surprised:

From the best poster at GP, FWIW.

Did that post get deleted? Does'nt seem to be there anymore.


no

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&tid=143672091&mid=143672091&sid=889&style=2 (http://no

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&tid=143672091&mid=143672091&sid=889&style=2)
Got it. thanks
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 11:14:32 AM
Shaka staying at VCU per Doyel


pffftttt, career suicide if he does

Doyel says he's texting Shaka as he's on this St loius station. lol
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 11:15:45 AM
The addition of twitter has made this much more volatile than the Huggins meltdown.

Who is our foremost expert and interpreting tweets?  I want them monitoring players/media/player's family/recruits tweets around the clock.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 11:16:16 AM
Doyel said Shaka was offered 6 years and 12 million at NC State and turned it down. JFC.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 11:16:30 AM
Shaka staying at VCU per Doyel


pffftttt, career suicide if he does

weird. Jacobsen, Stevens, That dude from Richmond, now Smart. Why don't they want bigger jobs?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 04, 2011, 11:17:01 AM
Doyel said Shaka was offered 6 years and 12 million at NC State and turned it down. JFC.

 :confused:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 11:17:30 AM
The addition of twitter has made this much more volatile than the Huggins meltdown.

Who is our foremost expert and interpreting tweets?  I want them monitoring players/media/player's family/recruits tweets around the clock.

This is where CNS Casey steps off the end of the bench, takes off his warm ups, and gets to do his best impersonation of Ollie from Hoosiers in the Regional final game.

Just put two in the hoop, Casey.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 11:18:30 AM
Doyel said Shaka was offered 6 years and 12 million at NC State and turned it down. JFC.

What a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 11:19:15 AM
Shaka staying at VCU per Doyel


pffftttt, career suicide if he does

weird. Jacobsen, Stevens, That dude from Richmond, now Smart. Why don't they want bigger jobs?

How many mid-major guys end up panning out at bigger jobs?

Why not get paid about a million a year and coach in the Valley while being treated like a God?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 11:20:40 AM
Shaka staying at VCU per Doyel


pffftttt, career suicide if he does

weird. Jacobsen, Stevens, That dude from Richmond, now Smart. Why don't they want bigger jobs?

How many mid-major guys end up panning out at bigger jobs?

Why not get paid about a million a year and coach in the Valley while being treated like a God?

Yeah, 810 said that Shaka is getting $300K right now. 

He needs to jump now.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kougar24 on April 04, 2011, 11:21:31 AM
BITB weighs in:

Quote from: BITB
First let me say I don't think Miami is a real threat to make a play for
Frank Martin. It just seems like a step down.

But there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding Frank's salary. He does NOT make $1.5m per year at KSU. Every contract is different and everyone loves to use the term "incentives." Well, Frank has a very big incentive to stay the full term of the deal. It's a "retention incentive" and it was perhaps the most important part of the contract from John Currie and KSU's stand point.

Frank made $1.1 million this year, probably more than he ever thought he would make, but about half what some coaches of his stature are commanding. It is a well below market value deal with a pair of big incentives after 5 years that would bump his number up to the average of $1.5m if he stays the whole time.

Frank has small kids, genuinely likes Manhattan and KSU and is loyal and thankful to have the opportunity to coach at this level and make a great living.

But don't kid yourselves, the way this stuff is going, Frank Martin is quickly becoming underpaid and bigger threats than Miami will surface if he keeps winning.

welcome to about 7 pages ago kougz  :excited:

Thanks! In related news...


CK and Pullen are leaving.

WHAT?!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 11:22:33 AM
Doyel said Shaka was offered 6 years and 12 million at NC State and turned it down. JFC.

What a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Complete idiot . . . so it doesn't work out, who cares, you're a multi-millionaire who will get a 6 figure assistant coaching job somewhere in college or the NBA.

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 11:23:43 AM
Doyel said Shaka was offered 6 years and 12 million at NC State and turned it down. JFC.

What a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Complete idiot . . . so it doesn't work out, who cares, you're a multi-millionaire who will get a 6 figure assistant coaching job somewhere in college or the NBA.



Its a phase, seems to be becoming the cool thing to do for the mid-majors. Few and Stevens setting the example.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 11:24:24 AM
Guys, I used to have a Miami hat.  

Also, if Frank can coach for another 30 years, this will work perfectly with the retirement plan my wife and I have.  Winters with Frank.  
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kougar24 on April 04, 2011, 11:24:31 AM
Doyel said Shaka was offered 6 years and 12 million at NC State and turned it down. JFC.

What a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Complete idiot . . . so it doesn't work out, who cares, you're a multi-millionaire who will get a 6 figure assistant coaching job somewhere in college or the NBA.



Its a phase, seems to be becoming the cool thing to do for the mid-majors. Few and Stevens setting the example.

You don't even hear Few's name tossed around for openings anymore.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 11:25:21 AM
Doyel said Shaka was offered 6 years and 12 million at NC State and turned it down. JFC.

What a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Complete idiot . . . so it doesn't work out, who cares, you're a multi-millionaire who will get a 6 figure assistant coaching job somewhere in college or the NBA.



Its a phase, seems to be becoming the cool thing to do for the mid-majors. Few and Stevens setting the example.

You don't even hear Few's name tossed around for openings anymore.

Diff is that Few and Stevens will win next year, while Shaka..... :dunno:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
good move by smart.  ncsu is a crap job.  vcu will pay 1 million.  his value won't go down from where it is now.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kougar24 on April 04, 2011, 11:28:23 AM
his value won't go down from where it is now.

Not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. His value, relative to where he is, has nowhere to go but down.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 11:31:18 AM
his value won't go down from where it is now.

Not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. His value, relative to where he is, has nowhere to go but down.

Yeah. Buy low, sell high. In this case his stock is pretty high....may as well cash in.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 11:32:03 AM
I would think that if Shaka doesn't win next year, or the year after, it will be very easy to write him off as his team catching fire from 3 for a few games in a row during the time in NCAA ball that happened to see the least impressive upper echelon teams since the beginning of the tournament.   :dunno:

That said, I understand that there will always be an AD willing to take a flier on a guy who has coached a FF game.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 11:32:40 AM
good move by smart.  ncsu is a crap job.  vcu will pay 1 million.  his value won't go down from where it is now.

NCSU is only a crap job from a fan expectation perspective.   If NCSU fans ever join the real world and just demand NCAA tourney appearances, 1 out of every 4 or 5 against Duke and UNC, and the occasional deep NCAA tourney run, it's like I said in another post earlier, they'd do themselves a great service.    It's almost like they don't get that the NCAA tourney takes 64 teams now, and that you don't have to win the ACC tournament to make the NCAA tourney.

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 11:33:14 AM
Shaka staying at VCU per Doyel


pffftttt, career suicide if he does

weird. Jacobsen, Stevens, That dude from Richmond, now Smart. Why don't they want bigger jobs?

How many mid-major guys end up panning out at bigger jobs?

Why not get paid about a million a year and coach in the Valley while being treated like a God?

Yeah, 810 said that Shaka is getting $300K right now. 

He needs to jump now.

Okay, at the very least, the dude needs to go to UNLV or something.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 11:34:19 AM
his value won't go down from where it is now.

Not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. His value, relative to where he is, has nowhere to go but down.

Agree with this part, but NCSU is a guarantee that you'll fail.   Most of the jobs right now suck, makes sense to sit tight a year and hope for better.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 11:34:57 AM
Shaka staying at VCU per Doyel


pffftttt, career suicide if he does

weird. Jacobsen, Stevens, That dude from Richmond, now Smart. Why don't they want bigger jobs?

job security.  its fun being the big fish in a tiny little pond
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 04, 2011, 11:35:02 AM
his value won't go down from where it is now.

Not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. His value, relative to where he is, has nowhere to go but down.

Yeah. Buy low, sell high. In this case his stock is pretty high....may as well cash in.

rough ridin' fundamentals investor.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: ChiCat on April 04, 2011, 11:36:14 AM
The addition of twitter has made this much more volatile than the Huggins meltdown.

Who is our foremost expert and interpreting tweets?  I want them monitoring players/media/player's family/recruits tweets around the clock.

I always thought SD was the tweet expert after reading the "Enjoy the band" thread
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 11:36:50 AM
Quote
DickieV Dick Vitale
by herdezjoe
Coaching changes continue - Haith to Mizzou.Let's be honest Miami even with Heat & South Beach not a plum Hoops job! Very little interest!

An hour old, but didn't see it in the thread.

Also, it is Vitale....
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 11:37:36 AM
Not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. His value, relative to where he is, has nowhere to go but down.

just because every announcer this month has filled vcu game air time talking about how hot a candidate smart is doesn't mean it's true.  he's viewed as a flash in the pan, wasn't the first choice for any opening this year.  was at best, the first fallback for the worst high-major job to open.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2011, 11:37:40 AM
How many mid-major guys end up panning out at bigger jobs?

Mike Krzyzewski, John Calipari, Bill Self, Jim Calhoun, etc.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 11:38:40 AM
Not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. His value, relative to where he is, has nowhere to go but down.

just because every announcer this month has filled vcu game air time talking about how hot a candidate smart is doesn't mean it's true.  he's viewed as a flash in the pan, wasn't the first choice for any opening this year.  was at best, the first fallback for the worst high-major job to open.

What's VCU's record under Smart?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 11:39:30 AM
NCSU is only a crap job from a fan expectation perspective.   If NCSU fans ever join the real world and just demand NCAA tourney appearances, 1 out of every 4 or 5 against Duke and UNC, and the occasional deep NCAA tourney run, it's like I said in another post earlier, they'd do themselves a great service.    It's almost like they don't get that the NCAA tourney takes 64 teams now, and that you don't have to win the ACC tournament to make the NCAA tourney.

yes, absolutely.  well, plus yow, but that's temporary.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: LHarKSUCat on April 04, 2011, 11:40:42 AM
tweet from a student on campus...

"Just saw almost every athlete I can recognize walking into Hale... maybe there is some meeting going on? An announcement of sorts?"

 :dunno: :runaway:  :cry:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 11:41:39 AM
How many mid-major guys end up panning out at bigger jobs?

Mike Krzyzewski, John Calipari, Bill Self, Jim Calhoun, etc.

I'm looking at more of a percentage here.

Also, Calipari doesn't really count.  The guy went from UMass to the NBA, then to Memphis, and then to Kentucky.

And everyone was basically mid-major when K and Calhoun ascended to their current jobs.  Come on, dude.

Self is legit.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
tweet from a student on campus...

"Just saw almost every athlete I can recognize walking into Hale... maybe there is some meeting going on? An announcement of sorts?"

 :dunno: :runaway:  :cry:

Maybe it is "study table" time?  They have a pretty regimented schedule.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 11:42:07 AM
tweet from a student on campus...

"Just saw almost every athlete I can recognize walking into Hale... maybe there is some meeting going on? An announcement of sorts?"

 :dunno: :runaway:  :cry:

At Hale?  Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 11:42:27 AM
tweet from a student on campus...

"Just saw almost every athlete I can recognize walking into Hale... maybe there is some meeting going on? An announcement of sorts?"

 :dunno: :runaway:  :cry:

Or it's academic counseling showing them what the large building in the middle of campus is.

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 04, 2011, 11:43:11 AM
tweet from a student on campus...

"Just saw almost every athlete I can recognize walking into Hale... maybe there is some meeting going on? An announcement of sorts?"

 :dunno: :runaway:  :cry:

 :goodbyecruelworld:

Grats Frank, you earned it.  
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dub on April 04, 2011, 11:43:40 AM
tweet from a student on campus...

"Just saw almost every athlete I can recognize walking into Hale... maybe there is some meeting going on? An announcement of sorts?"

 :dunno: :runaway:  :cry:

Or it's academic counseling showing them what the large building in the middle of campus is.


They are all in there quite often actually
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: PandaXpanda on April 04, 2011, 11:43:58 AM
omar kelley from the south florida sun sentinel was just on st. lou sports radio and didn't even mention frank when discussing who the U should go after.  :ck:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 11:44:42 AM
omar kelley from the south florida sun sentinel was just on st. lou sports radio and didn't even mention frank when discussing who the U should go after.  :ck:

Who did he mention?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: PandaXpanda on April 04, 2011, 11:47:28 AM
omar kelley from the south florida sun sentinel was just on st. lou sports radio and didn't even mention frank when discussing who the U should go after.  :ck:

Who did he mention?

said they should go back after leo hamilton. then said they want to keep a clean image but said that oscar should be considered. so basically he's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kougar24 on April 04, 2011, 11:49:50 AM
Not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. His value, relative to where he is, has nowhere to go but down.

just because every announcer this month has filled vcu game air time talking about how hot a candidate smart is doesn't mean it's true.  he's viewed as a flash in the pan, wasn't the first choice for any opening this year.  was at best, the first fallback for the worst high-major job to open.

A guy who takes VCU to the Final Four is a hot candidate. WGAF what announcers say.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 11:50:13 AM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Sources also told FOXSports.com that N.C. State AD Debbie Yow hasn't completely given up on getting Shaka Smart. Still trying.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: KSUTOMMY on April 04, 2011, 11:50:57 AM
tweet from a student on campus...

"Just saw almost every athlete I can recognize walking into Hale... maybe there is some meeting going on? An announcement of sorts?"

 :dunno: :runaway:  :cry:

The Annc is that LHC Bill Snyder has died of Oldballznesia and will coach from Cryostasis.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 11:51:17 AM
Not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. His value, relative to where he is, has nowhere to go but down.

just because every announcer this month has filled vcu game air time talking about how hot a candidate smart is doesn't mean it's true.  he's viewed as a flash in the pan, wasn't the first choice for any opening this year.  was at best, the first fallback for the worst high-major job to open.

Uhm, Shaka Smart has a National Championship. Just like Deb Patterson.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 11:51:44 AM
How many mid-major guys end up panning out at bigger jobs?

Mike Krzyzewski, John Calipari, Bill Self, Jim Calhoun, etc.

I'm looking at more of a percentage here.

Also, Calipari doesn't really count.  The guy went from UMass to the NBA, then to Memphis, and then to Kentucky.

And everyone was basically mid-major when K and Calhoun ascended to their current jobs.  Come on, dude.

Self is legit.

oscar Pearl, Sean Miller. You're probably right the percentages aren't good. But like Dax said, even if you fail, you're still in good shape. Seems like coaches are egotistical and would want a challenge. Can't fault them for stayin where they are at though.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 11:52:39 AM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Sources also told FOXSports.com that N.C. State AD Debbie Yow hasn't completely given up on getting Shaka Smart. Still trying.

Quote
TheBigLead Jason Mcintyre
From the agent of a college hoops coach: It's not NC State, it's Yow. "Nobody wants to work for her."
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2011, 11:52:54 AM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Sources also told FOXSports.com that N.C. State AD Debbie Yow hasn't completely given up on getting Shaka Smart. Still trying.

She must think she is Joe Castiglione
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 11:53:52 AM
A women AD  :lol:

Does she want the right to vote too?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2011, 11:56:24 AM
How many mid-major guys end up panning out at bigger jobs?

Mike Krzyzewski, John Calipari, Bill Self, Jim Calhoun, etc.

I'm looking at more of a percentage here.

Also, Calipari doesn't really count.  The guy went from UMass to the NBA, then to Memphis, and then to Kentucky.

And everyone was basically mid-major when K and Calhoun ascended to their current jobs.  Come on, dude.

Self is legit.

oscar Pearl, Sean Miller. You're probably right the percentages aren't good. But like Dax said, even if you fail, you're still in good shape. Seems like coaches are egotistical and would want a challenge. Can't fault them for stayin where they are at though.

I'm not sure the percentages are any worse than those for coaches who come from BCS programs, keeping in mind that the jobs these people take over are usually middle-of-the-road BCS teams at best.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Stupid Fitz on April 04, 2011, 11:59:12 AM
Any Miami players we can get when Frank tells them to go shazbot! themselves :dunno:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 12:01:06 PM
Haith has been/was far from a horrible recruiter at Miami: http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/miami-fl/recruiting
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 12:03:30 PM
Any Miami players we can get when Frank tells them to go shazbot! themselves :dunno:

This is a great alternative discussion.  810 said that they have a pretty good class coming in next year.  They didn't elaborate and I haven't checked.   
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 12:04:14 PM
How many mid-major guys end up panning out at bigger jobs?

Mike Krzyzewski, John Calipari, Bill Self, Jim Calhoun, etc.

I'm looking at more of a percentage here.

Also, Calipari doesn't really count.  The guy went from UMass to the NBA, then to Memphis, and then to Kentucky.

And everyone was basically mid-major when K and Calhoun ascended to their current jobs.  Come on, dude.

Self is legit.

oscar Pearl, Sean Miller. You're probably right the percentages aren't good. But like Dax said, even if you fail, you're still in good shape. Seems like coaches are egotistical and would want a challenge. Can't fault them for stayin where they are at though.

I'm not sure the percentages are any worse than those for coaches who come from BCS programs, keeping in mind that the jobs these people take over are usually middle-of-the-road BCS teams at best.

I think the minimum requirement you have to ask is, "Did every school they coach at get better?"  Self's teams performed everywhere he went.  Calipari's teams performed well everywhere he went (save the NBA).  Even Greg Marshall has won everywhere he's gone.  There's a track record of, "No matter where I go, I win," which gives you confidence that they'll do the same at your school.

Guys that have only done it at one mid-major seem risky to me.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 12:06:15 PM
What's VCU's record under Smart?

apparently, it's 55-21.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 12:06:58 PM
Miami should hire that guy who runs CLA.  Would love to see him in a D1 job. 
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 12:07:28 PM
Any Miami players we can get when Frank tells them to go shazbot! themselves :dunno:

Rivals shows one guy.  #112.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Bishop-Daniels-81323;_ylt=AhgXlxOF3oASlPnULTDi6lLasJB4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Bishop-Daniels-81323;_ylt=AhgXlxOF3oASlPnULTDi6lLasJB4)
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 12:11:28 PM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Shaka Smart has agreed to a deal to remain at VCU, sources told FOXSports.com.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Stupid Fitz on April 04, 2011, 12:13:04 PM
Any Miami players we can get when Frank tells them to go shazbot! themselves :dunno:

Rivals shows one guy.  #112.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Bishop-Daniels-81323;_ylt=AhgXlxOF3oASlPnULTDi6lLasJB4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Bishop-Daniels-81323;_ylt=AhgXlxOF3oASlPnULTDi6lLasJB4)

Shooting guard, ok, we'll take him.  Great job Frank. 
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2011, 12:19:53 PM
couple  :star: :star: :star: :star: guys in the '12 class but the '11 looks like just one three star kid
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: bruce on April 04, 2011, 12:23:10 PM
Would take Ken Pomeroy* over these last few losers mentioned. His meteorologist salary should be easy to beat.

* The Mike Leach of Basketball
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 12:31:02 PM
kstate_pres Kirk H. Schulz
I am enjoying my first workday back in the Little Apple after my long trip - so having a slice of pep & anchovy pizza at AJ's - yum!


 :flush:

Here we go again
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 12:31:26 PM
kstate_pres Kirk H. Schulz
I am enjoying my first workday back in the Little Apple after my long trip - so having a slice of pep & anchovy pizza at AJ's - yum!


 :flush:

Here we go again

lol
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: j-dub on April 04, 2011, 12:38:24 PM
schulz is bitb at reelin' us in.

only possible explanation.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 12:41:36 PM
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-04-04/shaka-smart-turns-down-nc-state (http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-04-04/shaka-smart-turns-down-nc-state)
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 12:42:09 PM
kstate_pres Kirk H. Schulz
I am enjoying my first workday back in the Little Apple after my long trip - so having a slice of pep & anchovy pizza at AJ's - yum!


 :flush:

Here we go again

I'd be more comfy if he were also going to see the source code.  Things go well when Kirk eats italian based foods and watched gyllenhaal.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Tobias on April 04, 2011, 12:44:06 PM
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-04-04/shaka-smart-turns-down-nc-state (http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-04-04/shaka-smart-turns-down-nc-state)

Quote from: the article
VCU athletic director Norwood Teague confirmed to Sporting News that Smart had been offered the N.C. State job but declined to stay with the Rams.

that parses very strangely in my brain.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 12:47:34 PM
Shaka "Not Very" Smart

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 12:48:33 PM
I think UPKS deserves the benefit of the doubt here, so I am going with UPKS being BITB at making it look like there's absolutely nothing to see . . . nothing.   Until further notice.

Title: remember my Frank Haith posts on ksufans.com?
Post by: Bookcat on April 04, 2011, 12:49:47 PM
 :popcorn:

wonder what happened to those
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: I_have_purplewood on April 04, 2011, 12:49:54 PM
Why hasn't our kick ass airport been brought up?  What kind of airport could Miami possibly have?  :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)

Btw, flight tracker anyone?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: bigwillie20 on April 04, 2011, 12:50:59 PM

Btw, flight tracker anyone?

Nothing to see so far  :users:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 12:51:55 PM
Why hasn't our kick ass airport been brought up?  What kind of airport could Miami possibly have?  :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)

Btw, flight tracker anyone?

Is Frank in Houston?  That would be a lot of tracking to do.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 12:52:33 PM
I think UPKS deserves the benefit of the doubt here, so I am going with UPKS being BITB at making it look like there's absolutely nothing to see . . . nothing.   Until further notice.



I'll be honest, Dax.  Your faith in Schulz gives me pause.  Not that I don't love him (I do), I'm just surprised to see the leash you've given him.  Very confidence inspiring.
Title: Re: remember my Frank Haith posts on ksufans.com?
Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 12:53:31 PM
 :zzz:
Title: Re: remember my Frank Haith posts on ksufans.com?
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 12:56:36 PM
You're such an incredible dumbass, book.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 12:57:17 PM
Why hasn't our kick ass airport been brought up?  What kind of airport could Miami possibly have?  :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)

Btw, flight tracker anyone?

Is Frank in Houston?  That would be a lot of tracking to do.

Only be concerned if they meet in Tulsa.  That's apparently where deals get done.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 12:57:55 PM
I enjoyed this thread when non EMAWtards didn't post in it, now not only are the usual idiots posting and have taken over the thread but it appears that 99% of the smart people have lost their damn minds as well.  This thread has added a page every 30 minutes mostly of people saying the same crap over and over.  I guess Chingon's kitn post meant nothing to you people.

Non EMAWtard mods please remove the 10+ pages of the same posts and give them their own thread so we can continue with the intended purpose of this thread.

tia
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 04, 2011, 12:58:50 PM
this whole "coaching staying put at mid-majors as of late" is a good thing for cats fans worried about martin leaving. trending towards him staying put, no?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 12:59:16 PM
this whole "coaching staying put at mid-majors as of late" is a good thing for cats fans worried about martin leaving.

apples/oranges
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kougar24 on April 04, 2011, 12:59:31 PM
this whole "coaching staying put at mid-majors as of late" is a good thing for cats fans worried about martin leaving. trending towards him staying put, no?

lol
Title: Re: remember my Frank Haith posts on ksufans.com?
Post by: Saulbadguy on April 04, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
I hear there is a heated discussion going on at everymanawildcat.com.  I better go check it out.
Title: Re: remember my Frank Haith posts on ksufans.com?
Post by: _33 on April 04, 2011, 01:04:40 PM
I can only remember one of your posts. You asked if everyone remembered some posts you had made earlier or something.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 01:11:21 PM
Quote
Pittsburgh assistant Pat Skerry has been hired as the new coach at Towson University, multiple sources tell ESPN.com's Andy Katz.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 01:15:35 PM
Always thought it would be weird for 'Te to take a pay cut when taking the Towson job.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 01:17:27 PM
Always thought it would be weird for 'Te to take a pay cut when taking the Towson job.

A 50k on to be a head coach, I think he would. 
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 01:25:19 PM
I enjoyed this thread when non EMAWtards didn't post in it, now not only are the usual idiots posting and have taken over the thread but it appears that 99% of the smart people have lost their damn minds as well.  This thread has added a page every 30 minutes mostly of people saying the same crap over and over.  I guess Chingon's kitn post meant nothing to you people.

kansans are the least confident people in the world.  they're also pretty stupid.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 04, 2011, 01:26:42 PM
Quote
Jake Ellis
FYI Anya Martin (Frank's wife) is from New York. As a #kstate fan, I'm more worried about a NY school than Miami.

I lol'ed.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 01:28:45 PM
I enjoyed this thread when non EMAWtards didn't post in it, now not only are the usual idiots posting and have taken over the thread but it appears that 99% of the smart people have lost their damn minds as well.  This thread has added a page every 30 minutes mostly of people saying the same cac over and over.  I guess Chingon's kitn post meant nothing to you people.

Non EMAWtard mods please remove the 10+ pages of the same posts and give them their own thread so we can continue with the intended purpose of this thread.

tia

I think everyone wanted a good meltdown even though this probably isn't really meltdown worthy.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 04, 2011, 01:33:45 PM
I enjoyed this thread when non EMAWtards didn't post in it, now not only are the usual idiots posting and have taken over the thread but it appears that 99% of the smart people have lost their damn minds as well.  This thread has added a page every 30 minutes mostly of people saying the same cac over and over.  I guess Chingon's kitn post meant nothing to you people.

Non EMAWtard mods please remove the 10+ pages of the same posts and give them their own thread so we can continue with the intended purpose of this thread.

tia

this is not a bad idea, but it is a lot of and the ends simply do not justify the means for me from an analytical output vs. reward standpoint. maybe a less busy mod will take this on.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Cire on April 04, 2011, 01:35:38 PM
starting to feel better about the whole, miami can't pay frank angle.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 01:42:17 PM
starting to feel better about the whole, miami can't pay frank angle.

Starting to feel worse about people feeling better.   :ohno:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 01:44:26 PM
starting to feel better about the whole, miami can't pay frank angle.

Betting we catch wind of a planned extension within 72 hours.

On a side note, I'm guessing the Miami search actually takes awhile since they have no AD in place.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 01:44:41 PM
starting to feel better about the whole, miami can't pay frank angle.

Starting to feel worse about people feeling better.   :ohno:

Setting ourselves up  :driving:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: felix rex on April 04, 2011, 01:50:29 PM
Late to the party. Feel like I missed the whole meltdown. :frown:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dlew12 on April 04, 2011, 01:51:19 PM
So I've skipped the last 6 pages.  Has anyone brought up this business about Mizzou's "curators" (wtf?) vetoing the Haith hire?  Mizzou academic/athletic deptartment experts, what is a curator, and if they do turn down the Haith hiring, does this mean we're safe?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 04, 2011, 01:52:42 PM
So I've skipped the last 6 pages.  Has anyone brought up this business about Mizzou's "curators" (wtf?) vetoing the Haith hire?  Mizzou academic/athletic deptartment experts, what is a curator, and if they do turn down the Haith hiring, does this mean we're safe?

Miami hasn't released Haith yet.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: bradleigh on April 04, 2011, 01:52:57 PM
So I've skipped the last 6 pages.  Has anyone brought up this business about Mizzou's "curators" (wtf?) vetoing the Haith hire?  Mizzou academic/athletic deptartment experts, what is a curator, and if they do turn down the Haith hiring, does this mean we're safe?

I don't see anyway they can actually do that.  I mean are they going to turn everyone down until Alden reels in Coach K?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 01:53:34 PM
Similar to the BOR.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: bradleigh on April 04, 2011, 01:54:13 PM
Just to put it on the record now.  I've always been concerned about a Frank to UConn scenario.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 01:55:46 PM
Just to put it on the record now.  I've always been concerned about a Frank to UConn scenario.

Me too.  We should immediately up the contract to 1.7 with a higher buyout just for this.   :ohno:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 01:55:57 PM
The KBOR can veto a coach's salary but the money could still be raised from a private source.  Not many states are interested in hiring a state employee making 1.5 mil right now.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 01:58:30 PM
I don't see anyway they can actually do that.  I mean are they going to turn everyone down until Alden reels in Coach K?

it would be close to the same thing as firing alden.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: nicname on April 04, 2011, 01:58:57 PM
I think UPKS deserves the benefit of the doubt here, so I am going with UPKS being BITB at making it look like there's absolutely nothing to see . . . nothing.   Until further notice.



Yep.  

UPKS:  What?  The Miami job opened up?  Anyway, have you been to The Chef lately? Delicious strudels, probably the best i've ever had, and believe me I know my strudels."  
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 01:59:16 PM
So I've skipped the last 6 pages.  Has anyone brought up this business about Mizzou's "curators" (wtf?) vetoing the Haith hire?  Mizzou academic/athletic deptartment experts, what is a curator, and if they do turn down the Haith hiring, does this mean we're safe?

I don't see anyway they can actually do that.  I mean are they going to turn everyone down until Alden reels in Coach K?

I think they've probably gotten some immediate backlash from some donors who aren't totally down with this hire and have decided to take some sort of public stance of due diligence.

He'll get hired by Mizzou if that's what they really want (and I can't believe this is the road they've chosen to go down).
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Scary Smart on April 04, 2011, 02:00:51 PM
Basically CliffsNotes of this thread from Meek:

http://cjonline.com/blog-post/austin-meek/2011-04-04/decision
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Kaiser Soze on April 04, 2011, 02:04:02 PM
Just to put it on the record now.  I've always been concerned about a Frank to UConn scenario.

Just read the Meek blog, huh?  'grats!
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 04, 2011, 02:04:49 PM
Someone send this to Frank. Everyone in Miami hates him. EVERYONE!

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/04/frank_martin_to_miami_rumors_a.php (http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/04/frank_martin_to_miami_rumors_a.php)
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2011, 02:07:00 PM
Someone send this to Frank. Everyone in Miami hates him. EVERYONE!

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/04/frank_martin_to_miami_rumors_a.php (http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/04/frank_martin_to_miami_rumors_a.php)

Quote
It looks like the early front-runner is none other than Kansas State coach and one-time Miami cheater Frank Martin.

SEE FRANK SEE!

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 02:08:05 PM
That whole "article" was redic.   :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 02:08:25 PM
Smellinger stole that from Petro's show. What an ass
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 02:09:24 PM
the newtimes has to be praying for this harder than they ever prayed for anything.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: 0.42 on April 04, 2011, 02:13:20 PM
I enjoyed this thread when non EMAWtards didn't post in it, now not only are the usual idiots posting and have taken over the thread but it appears that 99% of the smart people have lost their damn minds as well.  This thread has added a page every 30 minutes mostly of people saying the same crap over and over.  I guess Chingon's kitn post meant nothing to you people.

Non EMAWtard mods please remove the 10+ pages of the same posts and give them their own thread so we can continue with the intended purpose of this thread.

tia

No more tunnel dances, man. We'll instead get little snippets on the kstate website about the team doing some tractor pull in Garden City for charity. The Briggs logo will be put at center court.

 :gocho:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: nicname on April 04, 2011, 02:14:35 PM
 :love:



Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: felix rex on April 04, 2011, 02:15:00 PM
the newtimes has to be praying for this harder than they ever prayed for anything.

If he bolts, getting to read the newtimes will be a silver lining for me.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 04, 2011, 02:16:00 PM
Quote
Jon Rothstein
Hearing that Alabama coach Anthony Grant would be popular choice at Miami but school isn't likely to exceed his current salary in SEC-conf.

Quote
Jon Rothstein
Sources say possible candidates for Miami include Jeff Capel, FAU's Mike Jarvis, UCF's Donnie Jones, Bobby Gonzalez, + FIU's Isiah Thomas

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 02:17:24 PM
Quote
Jon Rothstein
Hearing that Alabama coach Anthony Grant would be popular choice at Miami but school isn't likely to exceed his current salary in SEC-conf.

Quote
Jon Rothstein
Sources say possible candidates for Miami include Jeff Capel, FAU's Mike Jarvis, UCF's Donnie Jones, Bobby Gonzalez, + FIU's Isiah Thomas



now i'm more confused than ever
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 04, 2011, 02:18:51 PM
Quote
Jon Rothstein
Hearing that Alabama coach Anthony Grant would be popular choice at Miami but school isn't likely to exceed his current salary in SEC-conf.

Quote
Jon Rothstein
Sources say possible candidates for Miami include Jeff Capel, FAU's Mike Jarvis, UCF's Donnie Jones, Bobby Gonzalez, + FIU's Isiah Thomas



now i'm more confused than ever

Me too. Capel keeps coming up.

Quote
LandThieves
Jeff Capel may be a candidate for the Miami job.. Welcome back to the ACC
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 02:19:25 PM
Quote
Jon Rothstein
Hearing that Alabama coach Anthony Grant would be popular choice at Miami but school isn't likely to exceed his current salary in SEC-conf.

Quote
Jon Rothstein
Sources say possible candidates for Miami include Jeff Capel, FAU's Mike Jarvis, UCF's Donnie Jones, Bobby Gonzalez, + FIU's Isiah Thomas



That list is awful.  Worse than what we'd put together.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 02:20:18 PM
Quote
Jon Rothstein
Hearing that Alabama coach Anthony Grant would be popular choice at Miami but school isn't likely to exceed his current salary in SEC-conf.

Quote
Jon Rothstein
Sources say possible candidates for Miami include Jeff Capel, FAU's Mike Jarvis, UCF's Donnie Jones, Bobby Gonzalez, + FIU's Isiah Thomas



now i'm more confused than ever

Why?  That would be about the equivalent of going with Al Golden.

The odds of them going after an established NCAA coach right now are probably pretty small.  They have to get an AD and football up and running.  Saving money on a basketball program no one cares about is probably a good idea at this point.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dlew12 on April 04, 2011, 02:21:10 PM
CONFIDENCE RISING
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 02:21:38 PM
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Jon Rothstein
Hearing that Alabama coach Anthony Grant would be popular choice at Miami but school isn't likely to exceed his current salary in SEC-conf.

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Jon Rothstein
Sources say possible candidates for Miami include Jeff Capel, FAU's Mike Jarvis, UCF's Donnie Jones, Bobby Gonzalez, + FIU's Isiah Thomas



That list is awful.  Worse than what we'd put together.


Hopefully people start figuring out the quality of the Miami job. Frank would be an absolute grand slam for them, even with the "going home" connection. It would be similar to if Self had went to Oklahoma State. Really.
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 02:28:23 PM
Someone send this to Frank. Everyone in Miami hates him. EVERYONE!

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/04/frank_martin_to_miami_rumors_a.php (http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/04/frank_martin_to_miami_rumors_a.php)

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But Miami will likely have to match the $1.2 million yearly salary the 2010 conference coach of the year currently gets at K-State. With Martin's shady record, it ain't worth it.

That article is great. A press conference wouldn't go by without a high school question being brought up. I'm guessing they would change his name to Frank "One-time Miami Cheater" Martin in every article.
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Post by: pissclams on April 04, 2011, 02:37:01 PM
miami should hire todd bozeman
Title: Re: remember my Frank Haith posts on ksufans.com?
Post by: Bookcat on April 04, 2011, 02:38:18 PM
You're such an incredible dumbass, book.

and,
it must really sicken you to hear Frank pour the praise on Underwood for revamping the offense and single handedly saving the season. Said so himself. Pretty good for a scrub coach that contributes nothing. Right?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 02:38:34 PM
Quote

I'll be honest, Dax.  Your faith in Schulz gives me pause.  Not that I don't love him (I do), I'm just surprised to see the leash you've given him.  Very confidence inspiring.

Well Pan, here is what I know about UPKS:

1.  He's every bit as in to athletics as his predecessor.

2.  From what I hear he wanted/wants the BTF worse than Jon Currie, and is quietly paying a pivitol role in making the BSFS improvements happend.  He wants those projects done badly.  

3.  He knows he's the President and that he's NOT the athletic director, nor is he the "team owner", he hired an athletic director to take care of that stuff . . . I think you understand what I'm saying.  
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Post by: Stevesie60 on April 04, 2011, 02:44:33 PM
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Missouri's expected hiring of University of Miami basketball coach Frank Haith has sent shock waves through the Kansas State fan base with concerns that the Miami job may be attractive to K-State coach Frank Martin. The obvious question is simple: Is it?

The quick answer is no, with a source close to the situation pointing out that Martin, despite being a native of Miami, has "no connection" to the University of Miami. It's more complex than that, however.

News of Haith's expected hiring by Missouri began to leak out of the basketball coaching community Sunday afternoon, the source said, and a potential deal was agreed upon by Haith and Missouri director of athletics Mike Alden on Sunday night. The University of Missouri Board of Curators is scheduled to meet Monday night and will likely approve the contract at that time.

If Haith does leave Miami, it will open up an ACC job in Martin's hometown, where he gained coaching experience at three high schools prior to launching his college coaching career as an assistant at Northeastern.

As of early Monday afternoon, the source said no one from the University of Miami had contacted Martin about the possible opening, but the source expected Martin, who just completed his fourth year in Manhattan, to at least listen to what the school would have to say. Not only does Martin's mother live in Miami, but the 45-year-old coach has a 12-year-old son, Brandon, who resides in Miami.

"They haven't talked, but it would be hard (for Martin) not to listen. They (Miami) would have to commit to doing things the right way," the source said.

There's the catch. Miami is considered the weakest of the ACC basketball jobs, and the Hurricanes averaged only 4,500 fans for home games this season. The source indicated that the school would have to make a serious financial commitment to basketball that far exceeds the coach's pay.

Just the salary, however, appears to be an issue for Miami. Haith was in his seventh season there, and his salary of $600,000 was a little more than half the $1.1 million Martin made at K-State this season. Martin and K-State athletics director John Currie agreed upon a new five-year contract near the end of the 2009-10 season that with incentives would average out to $1.5 million a season over the life of the contract.

Miami is not the only major college job currently open. UNLV is seeking a replacement for Lon Kruger, who was just hired by Oklahoma, but the source said Martin has no interest in that position.

A greater concern is the opening at North Carolina State. According to media reports, VCU coach Shaka Smart turned down overtures from N.C. State and the source said that there is talk in the coaching community that some prominent Wolfpack donors want the school to pursue Martin. It is believed the ACC school could pay a salary approaching $3 million a year to the right candidate.

Forgot about his son in Miami. Dammit.
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Post by: Saulbadguy on April 04, 2011, 02:45:08 PM
We should be proactive about this, and fire Frank.
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Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
Yeah, Frank having a son that lives in Miami is pretty huge (unless the kid is a little shithead)
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Post by: Saulbadguy on April 04, 2011, 02:50:33 PM
Yeah, Frank having a son that lives in Miami is pretty huge (unless the kid is a little shithead)
assuming the son lives with his mom, who Frank and/or Anya might dislike?
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Post by: OK_Cat on April 04, 2011, 02:51:20 PM
i can't imagine that Anya dislikes anyone.  She's a rough ridin' saint.
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Post by: nicname on April 04, 2011, 02:51:55 PM
A tidbit of info on Miami's potential support of a winner.  

In Leonard Hamilton's last year at Miami (they won the Big East that year by the way), Attendance for their final two home games was 6100, and 7500.  That was when they were playing at the 15000 seat Miami Arena.  Three years later they built the BankUnited Center a facility with a maximum capacity of 8000.  Miami doesn't even support their football teams.

2000     58,430
2001     46,162
2002     69,539
2003     58,135
2004     59,134
2005     45,310
2006     41,908
2007     43,589
2008     46,191*



A university located within the nation's 7th largest metro area whose basketball attendance even in there greatest season falls way below average.  

Miami doesn't have fans, and the ones they do have don't go to games.  
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 02:54:35 PM
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Missouri's expected hiring of University of Miami basketball coach Frank Haith has sent shock waves through the Kansas State fan base with concerns that the Miami job may be attractive to K-State coach Frank Martin. The obvious question is simple: Is it?

The quick answer is no, with a source close to the situation pointing out that Martin, despite being a native of Miami, has "no connection" to the University of Miami. It's more complex than that, however.

News of Haith's expected hiring by Missouri began to leak out of the basketball coaching community Sunday afternoon, the source said, and a potential deal was agreed upon by Haith and Missouri director of athletics Mike Alden on Sunday night. The University of Missouri Board of Curators is scheduled to meet Monday night and will likely approve the contract at that time.

If Haith does leave Miami, it will open up an ACC job in Martin's hometown, where he gained coaching experience at three high schools prior to launching his college coaching career as an assistant at Northeastern.

As of early Monday afternoon, the source said no one from the University of Miami had contacted Martin about the possible opening, but the source expected Martin, who just completed his fourth year in Manhattan, to at least listen to what the school would have to say. Not only does Martin's mother live in Miami, but the 45-year-old coach has a 12-year-old son, Brandon, who resides in Miami.

"They haven't talked, but it would be hard (for Martin) not to listen. They (Miami) would have to commit to doing things the right way," the source said.

There's the catch. Miami is considered the weakest of the ACC basketball jobs, and the Hurricanes averaged only 4,500 fans for home games this season. The source indicated that the school would have to make a serious financial commitment to basketball that far exceeds the coach's pay.

Just the salary, however, appears to be an issue for Miami. Haith was in his seventh season there, and his salary of $600,000 was a little more than half the $1.1 million Martin made at K-State this season. Martin and K-State athletics director John Currie agreed upon a new five-year contract near the end of the 2009-10 season that with incentives would average out to $1.5 million a season over the life of the contract.

Miami is not the only major college job currently open. UNLV is seeking a replacement for Lon Kruger, who was just hired by Oklahoma, but the source said Martin has no interest in that position.

A greater concern is the opening at North Carolina State. According to media reports, VCU coach Shaka Smart turned down overtures from N.C. State and the source said that there is talk in the coaching community that some prominent Wolfpack donors want the school to pursue Martin. It is believed the ACC school could pay a salary approaching $3 million a year to the right candidate.

Forgot about his son in Miami. Dammit.

Dear Frank,

No hard feelings.

-CF3

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Spaces on April 04, 2011, 02:54:44 PM
i can't imagine that Anya dislikes anyone.  She's a effing saint.
Doesn't wanna be too close to family   :emawkid:
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Post by: Emo EMAW on April 04, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
We should be proactive about this, and fire Frank.

Haha, this guy!  I LOL'ed.
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Post by: slucat on April 04, 2011, 02:55:45 PM
Yeah, Frank having a son that lives in Miami is pretty huge (unless the kid is a little cachead)
assuming the son lives with his mom, who Frank and/or Anya might dislike?

Franks son (who looks just like CK when CK got to manhattan) is often at games.  one would think frank makes enough coin to see his kid pretty regularly without having to be in the same metro area.
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Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 02:57:27 PM
How the eff is NCSU going to pay a coach 3 mil?  How many coaches in the country make that?
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2011, 02:58:40 PM
How the eff is NCSU going to pay a coach 3 mil?  How many coaches in the country make that?

That's what I was thinking. If they can really pay that much, why were they even looking at Shaka Smart, let alone making him their first choice?
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Post by: Skipper44 on April 04, 2011, 03:02:31 PM
The $3M has been the rumored offer for Rick Barnes - apparently, Rick grew up a Pack fan.

The Barnes nonsense has been floating around before they hired Lowe 3 years ago.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 03:03:00 PM
How the eff is NCSU going to pay a coach 3 mil?  How many coaches in the country make that?

They can because they have a lot of money.   The Wolfpack Club, which is a seperate financial entity from the athletic department, but exists only to support the athletic department has a lot of jack.
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Post by: oodfan on April 04, 2011, 03:09:32 PM
How the eff is NCSU going to pay a coach 3 mil?  How many coaches in the country make that?

So if Smart said "no,"  maybe this is the next option?
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Last Minute! WSU Coaches' Show w/ Gregg Marshall will happen tonight at AJ's Sport Grill on N Rock. Special announcement to be made ...

 :crossfingers:
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Post by: bradleigh on April 04, 2011, 03:17:20 PM
Just to put it on the record now.  I've always been concerned about a Frank to UConn scenario.

Just read the Meek blog, huh?  'grats!

lol.  no reason to expect you to believe me, but i've been talking about that since calhoun looked like he wouldn't live to 2011.
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Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 03:25:06 PM
I don't doubt that NCSU could scratch up that kind of dough but I can't imagine them bringing in a coach worth that type of money.  Sure they have rich ass boosters but that doesn't mean those guys are going to give a Shaka Smart 3 per.   Hell, paying Frank 3 per would be stupid.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 03:27:53 PM
I don't doubt that NCSU could scratch up that kind of dough but I can't imagine them bringing in a coach worth that type of money.  Sure they have rich ass boosters but that doesn't mean those guys are going to give a Shaka Smart 3 per.   Hell, paying Frank 3 per would be stupid.

They're desperate now . . . but giving Frank $3 million would be dumb as hell.

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Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 03:39:30 PM
They're desperate now . . . but giving Frank $3 million would be dumb as hell.

the free market seems to be pretty unanimous in its decision that dealing with yow is worth about an extra million/year.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Skipper44 on April 04, 2011, 03:46:18 PM
I don't doubt that NCSU could scratch up that kind of dough but I can't imagine them bringing in a coach worth that type of money.  Sure they have rich ass boosters but that doesn't mean those guys are going to give a Shaka Smart 3 per.   Hell, paying Frank 3 per would be stupid.

They're desperate now . . . but giving Frank $3 million would be dumb as hell.



It all depends on what the alternative is.  How much MU pay Anderson so they don't end up with Haith? (assuming they could out bid Ark)

How much would you pay Frank to avoid HC Underwood?
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Post by: TheMadCatter on April 04, 2011, 03:47:45 PM
sgorten: Hernandez says money won't be an issue with hiring of new hoops coach

No idea who that is, but a Miami fan posted it on another site.
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Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2011, 03:48:43 PM
sgorten: Hernandez says money won't be an issue with hiring of new hoops coach

No idea who that is, but a Miami fan posted it on another site.

that could mean a lot of things
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Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 03:50:34 PM
SPORTSbyBROOKS
Gregg Marshall latest to turn down NC State. (Save the "offer" semantics.)
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Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
sgorten: Hernandez says money won't be an issue with hiring of new hoops coach

No idea who that is, but a Miami fan posted it on another site.

Yeah, could mean that no one that will be willing to come there will be able to demand a salary that they can't reach.  See Capel.
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Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 03:51:03 PM
The issue is how shitty their program is
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Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 03:51:35 PM
SPORTSbyBROOKS
Gregg Marshall latest to turn down NC State. (Save the "offer" semantics.)


 :surprised:

Over/under on how long this will go on before they lynch the AD?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 03:59:26 PM
The issue is how shitty their program is

The thing is, you actually have to make a lot of dumb moves and not be really smart to have a shitty program at NC State, at minimum an NC State should be an NCAA tourney obvious choice every year.   But they can't seem to get out of their own way.


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Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 04:04:54 PM
The issue is how shitty their program is

The thing is, you actually have to make a lot of dumb moves and not be really smart to have a shitty program at NC State, at minimum an NC State should be an NCAA tourney obvious choice every year.   But they can't seem to get out of their own way.




I was talking about Miami.
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 04, 2011, 04:06:26 PM
SPORTSbyBROOKS
Gregg Marshall latest to turn down NC State. (Save the "offer" semantics.)


marshall obviously gambling a bit that frank will go to miami and he will get the ksucats offer. riverboat gambler gregg marshall. wow!
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 04:11:12 PM
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AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet
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Post by: TheMadCatter on April 04, 2011, 04:17:04 PM
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AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

Frank is probably just giddy with anticipation for that phone to ring and hear South Beach on the other line.
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Post by: slucat on April 04, 2011, 04:19:09 PM
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AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

YET?
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Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 04:19:51 PM
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AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

Makes me a little nervous, where I wasn't before. 

Seems like a lie. 

Why would he lie?
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Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 04:20:59 PM
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AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

What a non-news news story.

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AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

Makes me a little nervous, where I wasn't before. 

Seems like a lie. 

Why would he lie?

Could be standard coach speak, or... without an AD... he might not have heard anything. 
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Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 04:31:26 PM
Haith is going to fail hard. 

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COLUMBIA, Mo. -- Two Missouri starters have declared for the NBA draft on the same day the school is expected to approve a contract to hire Miami's Frank Haith as its new men's basketball coach.

Juniors Kim English and Laurence Bowers announced Monday that they plan to pursue pro careers but have not hired agents. That means they can return to school if their NBA plans don't work out.

The announcement comes as Missouri curators prepare to meet Monday night in a closed meeting. A person with knowledge of the negotiations told The Associated Press late Sunday that Haith is headed to Columbia after seven seasons in south Florida.
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 04:33:56 PM
Haith is going to fail hard. 

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COLUMBIA, Mo. -- Two Missouri starters have declared for the NBA draft on the same day the school is expected to approve a contract to hire Miami's Frank Haith as its new men's basketball coach.

Juniors Kim English and Laurence Bowers announced Monday that they plan to pursue pro careers but have not hired agents. That means they can return to school if their NBA plans don't work out.

The announcement comes as Missouri curators prepare to meet Monday night in a closed meeting. A person with knowledge of the negotiations told The Associated Press late Sunday that Haith is headed to Columbia after seven seasons in south Florida.

they'll be back.
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 04:48:15 PM
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Jon Rothstein
Hearing that Alabama coach Anthony Grant would be popular choice at Miami but school isn't likely to exceed his current salary in SEC-conf.

Quote
Jon Rothstein
Sources say possible candidates for Miami include Jeff Capel, FAU's Mike Jarvis, UCF's Donnie Jones, Bobby Gonzalez, + FIU's Isiah Thomas



now i'm more confused than ever

no offense but this confuses you because you seem to be quite dumb about this.  The Miami job sucks any of those guys on those lists would be good hires for Miami.  DePaul is a better job.  Frank Martin is the only proven top tier coach that they would have a shot at even considering, and obviously that consideration has nothing to do with basketball.  Basketball wise Miami has no positive advantage over any other BCS school, none.  It's an absolute basketball wasteland.

Same reason why people dismissing Frank Haith because of his record are equally dumb.
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Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 04:53:08 PM
Great, now the PTI guys are talking about Calipari's possible return to the NBA.  Wonderful, let's just muddy the crap out of the water.
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 04, 2011, 04:54:03 PM
Quote
AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

 :opcat:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 04, 2011, 04:55:28 PM
Great, now the PTI guys are talking about Calipari's possible return to the NBA.  Wonderful, let's just muddy the crap out of the water.

If he does go that likely means Kentucky will be on probation next year, and per usual, Cal beats the boys from Indy out of town by a hair.

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Post by: Brock Landers on April 04, 2011, 04:56:52 PM
Quote
AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

Makes me a little nervous, where I wasn't before. 

Seems like a lie. 

Why would he lie?


For me it's the word "yet".  Makes me think he's expecting/wanting to get contacted.   :ohno:
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 05:00:32 PM
Great, now the PTI guys are talking about Calipari's possible return to the NBA.  Wonderful, let's just muddy the cac out of the water.

If he does go that likely means Kentucky will be on probation next year, and per usual, Cal beats the boys from Indy out of town by a hair.



Like Self at IL.
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 05:05:11 PM
Quote
AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

 :opcat:

that emoticon gets used way more times than necessary.
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Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 05:07:49 PM
Marshall agreed to an extension.
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 04, 2011, 05:09:31 PM
Quote
AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

 :opcat:

that emoticon gets used way more times than necessary.
:opcat:
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 04, 2011, 05:12:57 PM
Quote
Jon Rothstein
Hearing that Alabama coach Anthony Grant would be popular choice at Miami but school isn't likely to exceed his current salary in SEC-conf.

Quote
Jon Rothstein
Sources say possible candidates for Miami include Jeff Capel, FAU's Mike Jarvis, UCF's Donnie Jones, Bobby Gonzalez, + FIU's Isiah Thomas



now i'm more confused than ever

no offense but this confuses you because you seem to be quite dumb about this.  The Miami job sucks any of those guys on those lists would be good hires for Miami.  DePaul is a better job.  Frank Martin is the only proven top tier coach that they would have a shot at even considering, and obviously that consideration has nothing to do with basketball.  Basketball wise Miami has no positive advantage over any other BCS school, none.  It's an absolute basketball wasteland.

Same reason why people dismissing Frank Haith because of his record are equally dumb.

I'm aware bro.  What was confusing was that Frank wasn't on the list, but thanks for explaining what has already been posted 35 times.  And no offense  taken.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 05:14:39 PM
Quote
AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

Makes me a little nervous, where I wasn't before. 

Seems like a lie. 

Why would he lie?


For me it's the word "yet".  Makes me think he's expecting/wanting to get contacted.   :ohno:

Prob via his agent, but not direct contact yet.
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Post by: TheMadCatter on April 04, 2011, 05:15:33 PM
Quote
AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

Makes me a little nervous, where I wasn't before. 

Seems like a lie. 

Why would he lie?


For me it's the word "yet".  Makes me think he's expecting/wanting to get contacted.   :ohno:

He's smart enough to expect at least contact.
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Post by: kstater on April 04, 2011, 05:22:38 PM
Sunvold said on BITB that yesterday afternoon someone from Franks camp contacted him about what was going on with Mizzou. 
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 04, 2011, 05:24:55 PM
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 :frown:
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Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 05:27:23 PM
Sunvold said on BITB that yesterday afternoon someone from Franks camp contacted him about what was going on with Mizzou. 

Uh Oh.
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Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 05:35:55 PM
Sunvold said on BITB that yesterday afternoon someone from Franks camp contacted him about what was going on with Mizzou. 

Uh Oh.

Dude.  Stop freaking out.  Everything will be okay.
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Post by: ew2x4 on April 04, 2011, 05:39:32 PM
Time to move on to someone with pipelines that aren't completely dried up. It was fun, fellas.
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Post by: oodfan on April 04, 2011, 05:41:31 PM
Sunvold said on BITB that yesterday afternoon someone from Franks camp contacted him about what was going on with Mizzou. 

Uh Oh.

Dude.  Stop freaking out.  Everything will be okay.

Seriously, Frank Haith's camp NOT Frank Martin's camp.  Nothing to see here.
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 05:46:18 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:
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Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 06:00:05 PM
Same reason why people dismissing Frank Haith because of his record are equally dumb.

hamilton did significantly better when the job was even worse.  that's not to say haith has no shot to succeed at mu, but i certainly don't think he gives mu their best chance.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 06:01:02 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2011, 06:10:39 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 06:15:44 PM
There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

basketball players are primarily interested in basketball.  he might get a few that didn't want to live in kansas.  he'd lose others that would want more tv, more coverage.

who has he not been able to recruit to kstate that you think he could have gotten at miami?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 04, 2011, 06:23:21 PM
http://www.loosecannonsshow.com/pages/video/?uri=channels/441823/1262734
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 06:23:37 PM
boynton?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: _33 on April 04, 2011, 06:25:13 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

We all thought accepted the notion that Huggins would be able to recruit much better at WVU. Get the east coast kids and all that. His recruiting hasn't been any better than Frank's. I've decided that location is meaningless when it comes to recruiting.
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Post by: PowercatPat on April 04, 2011, 06:31:21 PM
http://www.loosecannonsshow.com/pages/video/?uri=channels/441823/1262734

He never said he wasn't interested in the Miami opening.

 :runaway:
Title: Frank Martin to Miami??
Post by: wildcatnation7 on April 04, 2011, 06:54:58 PM
 Alright so, I hear Miami's coach is going Mizzou, so they need a coach.. And you know Frank has coached in Miami before and would love to coach there.. What do you think the possibility that Frank leaves?? I'm saying a 3% chance. Your thoughts??
Title: Re: Frank Martin to Miami??
Post by: hatingfrancisco on April 04, 2011, 06:56:40 PM
 :opcat:
Title: Re: Frank Martin to Miami??
Post by: PowercatPat on April 04, 2011, 06:57:16 PM
Sock
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CatMission on April 04, 2011, 06:58:48 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

We all thought accepted the notion that Huggins would be able to recruit much better at WVU. Get the east coast kids and all that. His recruiting hasn't been any better than Frank's. I've decided that location is meaningless when it comes to recruiting.

Amen!  Recruiting is about how your program is perceived.  Very few schools have gotten the positive publicity that K-State has over the past couple of years.  The fact is you can convince an 18-year-old kid to go just about anywhere you want. 
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 07:01:59 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

I'm with chum.  eff Sys and MIR.

You cannot be rough ridin' serious and suggest that it's no hard to recruit a south florida kid to KS than to a FL school.  That's stupid.  It makes no sense. 
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Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 07:06:57 PM
If it's so easy to recruit to Miami, why do they suck so bad?
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Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 07:09:10 PM
LOLtastic!   :lol:

http://www.kansan.com/news/2011/apr/04/morning-brew-coaches/ (http://www.kansan.com/news/2011/apr/04/morning-brew-coaches/)

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Second, Shaka Smart leaves Virginia Commenwealth and replaces Frank Martin at KSU. There is nothing I would like more than to see the Jayhawks get the chance to avenge their Elite Eight loss to Smart by getting two cracks at him next year. This is also unlikely to happen because a) as of my writing this, Frank Martin is still at K-State, and b) Smart is staying at VCU after signing an eight-year extension with a hefty pay raise Monday. But it would keep the fiery rivalry going, and the online message boards would be filled with banter from both fan bases in anticipation for Self-Smart round two.
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Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 07:18:35 PM
Didn't realize Smart's contract was for 8 yrs.  Good for him, dude got one hell of a raise AND a long contract.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 07:31:43 PM
Smart kicked the crap out of Self pretty easily...not sure it's much of a rivalry.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 07:38:02 PM
Self's gonna have to start beating those mid-majors for it to be considered a rivalry.
Title: Re: Frank Martin to Miami??
Post by: I_have_purplewood on April 04, 2011, 07:40:38 PM
Great question.  Please start a thread listing who you think might get a shot at the KSU job should Frank leave.  tia.
Title: Re: Frank Martin to Miami??
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 07:45:41 PM
Sock

This
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Post by: Benja on April 04, 2011, 07:51:30 PM
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AKuperstein Adam Kuperstein
by JBBauersfeld
Kansas State coach Frank Martin told our sister station Telemundo51 that he has not been contacted by Miami about coaching job yet

 :opcat:

that emoticon gets used way more times than necessary.

That's what's funny about it, stupid.
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Post by: Benja on April 04, 2011, 08:00:05 PM
And yeah, once the practice facility is done, Miami's facilities won't even be in the same stratosphere as K-State's. Like seriously, it's pretty shitty down there. Even their campus is kind of gross. So yeah, I doubt Frank would be able to recruit much better down there.
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:00:48 PM
And yeah, once the practice facility is done, Miami's facilities won't even be in the same stratosphere as K-State's. Like seriously, it's pretty cacty down there. Even their campus is kind of gross. So yeah, I doubt Frank would be able to recruit much better down there.


Didn't you see the stuff about the "Rock Facility?"
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Post by: Benja on April 04, 2011, 08:01:47 PM
And yeah, once the practice facility is done, Miami's facilities won't even be in the same stratosphere as K-State's. Like seriously, it's pretty cacty down there. Even their campus is kind of gross. So yeah, I doubt Frank would be able to recruit much better down there.


Didn't you see the stuff about the "Rock Facility?"

uh, no. wut's up
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 08:06:09 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

We all thought accepted the notion that Huggins would be able to recruit much better at WVU. Get the east coast kids and all that. His recruiting hasn't been any better than Frank's. I've decided that location is meaningless when it comes to recruiting.

Amen!  Recruiting is about how your program is perceived.  Very few schools have gotten the positive publicity that K-State has over the past couple of years.  The fact is you can convince an 18-year-old kid to go just about anywhere you want.  

I don't think recruiting was a the major problem for Haith.

In his time at Miami, he brought in 8 Top 100 HS players and 5 more that were borderline Top 100. Five were Top 75 and 2 Top 35. Those players came from Florida (5), Georgia (2), North Carolina (2), Ohio, Texas, New York, and Michigan.

When I look at Haith's teams, their biggest offensive strength consistently was offensive rebounding and in his last 5 years offense was a big strength finishing #50 or better in offensive efficiency. But defensively his teams consistently are average, they don't force turnovers, and they often give up offensive boards. None of his defenses lately have been terrible (>100) in efficiency, but they also aren't great (<50).
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 08:07:11 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

I'm with chum.  eff Sys and MIR.

You cannot be rough ridin' serious and suggest that it's no hard to recruit a south florida kid to KS than to a FL school.  That's stupid.  It makes no sense. 

 You're being really irrational and illogical, so before I treat this talking point like it came from ednksu or bookcat, you need to explain where the hell you're going with this point.  Certainly you see the evidence and history isn't on your side, so I gotta know where the hell you're going with this.  

You're much smarter than this, I don't think chum is.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Benja on April 04, 2011, 08:12:38 PM
Location does matter but in high level recruiting these kids are making basically business decisions that will effect the rest of their lives, so several other factors are going to be a lot more important. I mean, if you just look around at the evidence I think that's pretty rough ridin' evident.
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 08:16:53 PM
Location does matter

Every single college basketball recruiting class ranking ever released disagrees with you.
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 08:17:46 PM
You're being really irrational and illogical, so before I treat this talking point like it came from ednksu or bookcat, you need to explain where the hell you're going with this point.  Certainly you see the evidence and history isn't on your side, so I gotta know where the hell you're going with this.  

You're much smarter than this, I don't think chum is.

Do you think Frank would recruit at Miami similar to Haith? (though IMHO it is unlikely Frank goes to Miami).
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 04, 2011, 08:21:31 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

I'm with chum.  eff Sys and MIR.

You cannot be rough ridin' serious and suggest that it's no hard to recruit a south florida kid to KS than to a FL school.  That's stupid.  It makes no sense. 

As evidenced by Pepperdine, Hawaii, and FIU's recruiting success.

Top recruits don't care about basketball, the program, or the coach and his ability to get them to the NBA.  All that matters is the weather, beach proximity, and the likelihood of seeing the tit of a girl lathered up in banana boat pop out of her top while she jogs in the sand.
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:21:52 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

I'm with chum.  eff Sys and MIR.

You cannot be effing serious and suggest that it's no hard to recruit a south florida kid to KS than to a FL school.  That's stupid.  It makes no sense. 

 You're being really irrational and illogical, so before I treat this talking point like it came from ednksu or bookcat, you need to explain where the hell you're going with this point.  Certainly you see the evidence and history isn't on your side, so I gotta know where the hell you're going with this.  

You're much smarter than this, I don't think chum is.

Here's my thinking on this....

If you look at how well Frank has done historically recruiting South Florida, and you look at the number of quality players that are coming out of South Florida right now (http://sfhighschoolsports.com/blog/basketball-boys-blogs/south-florida-players-ncaa-tournament)  it defies all logic to suggest that at a BCS school in the most lavish location in South Florida would not be easier to recruit to than KSU.

Now, this argument is also based on the notion that Frank was able to recruit to KSU when we had no facilities, he had no recognizable name (yet), and we had a fine tradition of sucking the sweat off a dead man's balls.

I am of the opinion that given Franks' now "national name," he could get a greater proportion of South Florida targets than he currently gets today at KSU.  I'd liken it to Howard Schnellenberger...before Howard, they were "giving football tickets away at Burger King" at Miami.

Even a decade ago, when Hamilton was winning at Miami, South Florida wasn't as prolific as it is today...it's a "boom" time for the area, is it not?

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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:23:44 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

I'm with chum.  eff Sys and MIR.

You cannot be effing serious and suggest that it's no hard to recruit a south florida kid to KS than to a FL school.  That's stupid.  It makes no sense.  

As evidenced by Pepperdine

Top recruits don't care about basketball, the program, or the coach and his ability to get them to the NBA.  All that matters is the weather, beach proximity, and the likelihood of seeing the tit of a girl lathered up in banana boat pop out of her top while she jogs in the sand.

I was actually going to site Pepperdine as  a reverse proof of my theory.   Asbury did well at Pepperdine.  Moves to KSU, sucks complete cac at recruiting.  How to explain?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: michigancat on April 04, 2011, 08:24:29 PM
Basic logistics make it easier to recruit to Miami. I just don't think the KSU brand is at a point where that can be overcome.
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Post by: KITNfury on April 04, 2011, 08:25:13 PM
I think location breaks ties, or at the very most can make a program that's barely sub-par to another get the commit from some recruits. It's not a major deciding factor. I do kinda think it's more important for football though. Maybe I'm just tarded tho.
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:25:22 PM
Location does matter

Every single college basketball recruiting class ranking ever released disagrees with you.

Toss out the "traditional" powers (...we are not one of those).  Then, look at the locations.
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:27:31 PM
You know how many Willie Cauleys' there are in South Florida EVERY rough ridin' YEAR?  We get one every 5-10 years in this entire state.  ...and people are rough ridin' bitching because we can't get him to "stay home."

Give Frank a crack at 5 of those every single year and see how he does.
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 08:28:07 PM
I was actually going to site Pepperdine as  a reverse proof of my theory.   Asbury did well at Pepperdine.  Moves to KSU, sucks complete cac at recruiting.  How to explain?  :dunno:

I don't think you can compare mid/low majors to high majors. Haith will end up being a great example for this comparison though.
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:31:14 PM
....also, by "location" I don't mean gorgeous coral gables....I mean "close to loads and loads of super tall and amazing athletic black kids." (NOT RACIST.  Could have said "colored" but kept it classy and said "black.")

You toss out the the "traditional powers" and what is left seems to be location based as much as anything.  
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Post by: Benja on April 04, 2011, 08:32:27 PM
Location does matter

Every single college basketball recruiting class ranking ever released disagrees with you.

Read the post chief. It's a factor but is usually outweighed by bigger ones. Like I said.
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Post by: Saulbadguy on April 04, 2011, 08:33:52 PM
I think location only matters when you are vying for the attention of a local kid who wants to play close to home.  JMO.
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Post by: ednksu on April 04, 2011, 08:35:04 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

I'm with chum.  eff Sys and MIR.

You cannot be rough ridin' serious and suggest that it's no hard to recruit a south florida kid to KS than to a FL school.  That's stupid.  It makes no sense. 

 You're being really irrational and illogical, so before I treat this talking point like it came from ednksu or bookcat, you need to explain where the hell you're going with this point.  Certainly you see the evidence and history isn't on your side, so I gotta know where the hell you're going with this.  

You're much smarter than this, I don't think chum is.
eat a rough ridin' dick, seriously.  I can back up any claim I make with facts and if I eff up I own it.  You cannot say the same, especially you and rusty with the previous crap fest you have causes.   Kindly keep my name out your rough ridin' mouth.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 04, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
I was actually going to site Pepperdine as  a reverse proof of my theory.   Asbury did well at Pepperdine.  Moves to KSU, sucks complete cac at recruiting.  How to explain?  :dunno:

hmmmm, good point.  I think he's back at Pepperdine so this shouldn't be too hard to figure out.  I'll save you some time, he still really sucks at recruiting.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:38:47 PM
I think location only matters when you are vying for the attention of a local kid who wants to play close to home.  JMO.

OK, you loose on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHEN YOU ARE RECRUITING AT KSU.

Let's put it the other way....how many Kansas/Missouri kids who wanted to stay close to home do you think Frank would try for if he was at Miami.  How many South Florida kids would he try for who wanted to stay near home?  Year in and year out, which number is bigger?
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 08:38:57 PM
You know how many Willie Cauleys' there are in South Florida EVERY rough ridin' YEAR?  We get one every 5-10 years in this entire state.  ...and people are rough ridin' bitching because we can't get him to "stay home."

Give Frank a crack at 5 of those every single year and see how he does.

Population of the state of Florida 18.8 million
Population of Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 12.4 million

Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Florida 10
Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 9

I won't even mention the 15 2011 top 150 recruits from the state of Texas and I won't mention that 1 of that 15 is attending a school in Florida.  I also won't mention that of the Texas top 150 kids actually leaving the state that they are leaving for Manhattan, KS, Morgantown, WV, Blacksburg, VA, Stillwater, OK, Fayetville, AR, and New York, NY.

Probably also a poor time to mention that none of the top 150 recruits in the state of Florida are actually staying there.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:39:29 PM
I was actually going to site Pepperdine as  a reverse proof of my theory.   Asbury did well at Pepperdine.  Moves to KSU, sucks complete cac at recruiting.  How to explain?  :dunno:

hmmmm, good point.  I think he's back at Pepperdine so this shouldn't be too hard to figure out.  I'll save you some time, he still really sucks at recruiting.

Incorrect.  He was very handsome back then.  Now he is a wrinkly ball sack with face cancer.
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Post by: ednksu on April 04, 2011, 08:42:55 PM
oh and the U is near some pretty shitty neighborhoods.
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
You're being really irrational and illogical, so before I treat this talking point like it came from ednksu or bookcat, you need to explain where the hell you're going with this point.  Certainly you see the evidence and history isn't on your side, so I gotta know where the hell you're going with this.  

You're much smarter than this, I don't think chum is.

Do you think Frank would recruit at Miami similar to Haith? (though IMHO it is unlikely Frank goes to Miami).

I think Frank would recruit similar to how Frank does now.  You know that the biggest factor in recruiting is who they play for, this is emphasized for Frank Martin because of how he runs his program.  We haven't lost one single recruit in the Frank Martin era because of our location.  We are the only fan base in America that uses this as a reason/excuse.
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:43:13 PM
You know how many Willie Cauleys' there are in South Florida EVERY effING YEAR?  We get one every 5-10 years in this entire state.  ...and people are effing bitching because we can't get him to "stay home."

Give Frank a crack at 5 of those every single year and see how he does.

Population of the state of Florida 18.8 million
Population of Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 12.4 million

Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Florida 10
Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 9

I won't even mention the 15 2011 top 150 recruits from the state of Texas and I won't mention that 1 of that 15 is attending a school in Florida.  I also won't mention that of the Texas top 150 kids actually leaving the state that they are leaving for Manhattan, KS, Morgantown, WV, Blacksburg, VA, Stillwater, OK, Fayetville, AR, and New York, NY.

Probably also a poor time to mention that none of the top 150 recruits in the state of Florida are actually staying there.

So, your case is that South Florida is no better of a recruiting area that Missouri, Kansas, and Oklahoma.  That's what you are going with?  Look, you know more about this than me, but I don't see loads of black people running around the latter...more the former.  My opinion is that black people are better to recruit to play basketball for you, and pretty effing firm in my conviction on that point.  Pretty effing firm.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 04, 2011, 08:44:04 PM
I was actually going to site Pepperdine as  a reverse proof of my theory.   Asbury did well at Pepperdine.  Moves to KSU, sucks complete cac at recruiting.  How to explain?  :dunno:

hmmmm, good point.  I think he's back at Pepperdine so this shouldn't be too hard to figure out.  I'll save you some time, he still really sucks at recruiting.

Incorrect.  He was very handsome back then.  Now he is a wrinkly ball sack with face cancer.

But his ball sack gets sweaty in MALIBU  :runaway:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 08:45:09 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

I'm with chum.  eff Sys and MIR.

You cannot be effing serious and suggest that it's no hard to recruit a south florida kid to KS than to a FL school.  That's stupid.  It makes no sense. 

 You're being really irrational and illogical, so before I treat this talking point like it came from ednksu or bookcat, you need to explain where the hell you're going with this point.  Certainly you see the evidence and history isn't on your side, so I gotta know where the hell you're going with this.  

You're much smarter than this, I don't think chum is.

Here's my thinking on this....

If you look at how well Frank has done historically recruiting South Florida, and you look at the number of quality players that are coming out of South Florida right now (http://sfhighschoolsports.com/blog/basketball-boys-blogs/south-florida-players-ncaa-tournament)  it defies all logic to suggest that at a BCS school in the most lavish location in South Florida would not be easier to recruit to than KSU.

Now, this argument is also based on the notion that Frank was able to recruit to KSU when we had no facilities, he had no recognizable name (yet), and we had a fine tradition of sucking the sweat off a dead man's balls.

I am of the opinion that given Franks' now "national name," he could get a greater proportion of South Florida targets than he currently gets today at KSU.  I'd liken it to Howard Schnellenberger...before Howard, they were "giving football tickets away at Burger King" at Miami.

Even a decade ago, when Hamilton was winning at Miami, South Florida wasn't as prolific as it is today...it's a "boom" time for the area, is it not?



As already pointed out, you are overstating the amount of basketball talent in Florida, it isn't football.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:46:38 PM
Just for the record, who here is a giant dumbass and believes that Frank would not be able to recruit better at Miami.  Show of hands please...would like to know who to mock openly to their faces.

:raiseshand:

yeah, agree.  don't see any reason to think he would recruit better.

There's no way it isn't a hell of a lot easier to convince an 18 year-old kid to go to Coral Gables than to Manhattan, KS.  He'll be able to keep kids that he now loses simply due to location and also be able to attract local players that aren't available here.

I'm with chum.  eff Sys and MIR.

You cannot be effing serious and suggest that it's no hard to recruit a south florida kid to KS than to a FL school.  That's stupid.  It makes no sense. 

 You're being really irrational and illogical, so before I treat this talking point like it came from ednksu or bookcat, you need to explain where the hell you're going with this point.  Certainly you see the evidence and history isn't on your side, so I gotta know where the hell you're going with this.  

You're much smarter than this, I don't think chum is.

Here's my thinking on this....

If you look at how well Frank has done historically recruiting South Florida, and you look at the number of quality players that are coming out of South Florida right now (http://sfhighschoolsports.com/blog/basketball-boys-blogs/south-florida-players-ncaa-tournament)  it defies all logic to suggest that at a BCS school in the most lavish location in South Florida would not be easier to recruit to than KSU.

Now, this argument is also based on the notion that Frank was able to recruit to KSU when we had no facilities, he had no recognizable name (yet), and we had a fine tradition of sucking the sweat off a dead man's balls.

I am of the opinion that given Franks' now "national name," he could get a greater proportion of South Florida targets than he currently gets today at KSU.  I'd liken it to Howard Schnellenberger...before Howard, they were "giving football tickets away at Burger King" at Miami.

Even a decade ago, when Hamilton was winning at Miami, South Florida wasn't as prolific as it is today...it's a "boom" time for the area, is it not?



As already pointed out, you are overstating the amount of basketball talent in Florida, it isn't football.

My argument is based on the assumption that it is growing.  Which, if Frank continues to recruit South Florida, should still help us at KSU...that much I agree on.
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Post by: ednksu on April 04, 2011, 08:49:14 PM
facilities and reputation >>>>> location
The reason why I note facilities is that it is a tipping point if a lot of other items are equal.   

Miami is a football school and is currently doing what Nebraska did to its athletic department.
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:49:39 PM
You know how many Willie Cauleys' there are in South Florida EVERY effING YEAR?  We get one every 5-10 years in this entire state.  ...and people are effing bitching because we can't get him to "stay home."

Give Frank a crack at 5 of those every single year and see how he does.

Population of the state of Florida 18.8 million
Population of Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 12.4 million

Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Florida 10
Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 9

I won't even mention the 15 2011 top 150 recruits from the state of Texas and I won't mention that 1 of that 15 is attending a school in Florida.  I also won't mention that of the Texas top 150 kids actually leaving the state that they are leaving for Manhattan, KS, Morgantown, WV, Blacksburg, VA, Stillwater, OK, Fayetville, AR, and New York, NY.

Probably also a poor time to mention that none of the top 150 recruits in the state of Florida are actually staying there.

So, your case is that South Florida is no better of a recruiting area that Missouri, Kansas, and Oklahoma.  That's what you are going with?  Look, you know more about this than me, but I don't see loads of black people running around the latter...more the former.  My opinion is that black people are better to recruit to play basketball for you, and pretty effing firm in my conviction on that point.  Pretty effing firm.

ALSO, in the above post I meant "you" as in the "you understood" sense, and not in the "you" as in you are black sense.  I have no desire to get my face cratered.  Just wanted to make sure we were clear on that.   go cats.
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Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2011, 08:51:28 PM
You're much smarter than this, I don't think chum is.

lol.  you post on gpc.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 04, 2011, 08:52:20 PM
You're being really irrational and illogical, so before I treat this talking point like it came from ednksu or bookcat, you need to explain where the hell you're going with this point.  Certainly you see the evidence and history isn't on your side, so I gotta know where the hell you're going with this.  

You're much smarter than this, I don't think chum is.

Do you think Frank would recruit at Miami similar to Haith? (though IMHO it is unlikely Frank goes to Miami).

I think Frank would recruit similar to how Frank does now.  You know that the biggest factor in recruiting is who they play for, this is emphasized for Frank Martin because of how he runs his program.  We haven't lost one single recruit in the Frank Martin era because of our location.  We are the only fan base in America that uses this as a reason/excuse.

This is a good point.  Every other fanbase is the complete opposite.  Take for example our sister to the east.  ku fans always talk about Lawrence like it's some paradise on earth.  ku fans actually say things like, "why would a kid want to go to school in the middle of Kansas" when talking about k-state.  They say it straight faced, without even realizing the irony.  I'm fairly certain k-state fans all love manhattan and think its a great college town, but when it comes to recruiting it suddenly turns into some deserted island in the plains.  Really lame excuse without merit.

signed,

K-States dozen or so Rivals 150 recruits since Wooly left
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 08:52:27 PM
Location does matter

Every single college basketball recruiting class ranking ever released disagrees with you.

Toss out the "traditional" powers (...we are not one of those).  Then, look at the locations.

What I'm looking at is what the Florida schools are not getting, I'm not talking about us.  BTW the only "traditional" powers IMO are KU, UK, UNC, Duke, and UCLA.  Every other good current program is the beneficiary of recent success, hiring the right guy.  There is literally no reason why any BCS school who wants to commit themselves to it can't become Syracuse.
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 08:54:34 PM
I would take being a Syracuse and run.   :bracketmouse:
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Post by: Stupid Fitz on April 04, 2011, 08:55:15 PM
Mods, please change name of thread to whatever the hell people are bitching about now and someone tell me if Frank is leaving or not. TIA
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 08:56:46 PM
You're much smarter than this, I don't think chum is.

lol.  you post on gpc.

I'm  :powerespect: but I kicked your ass all over this thread.  You should stick to the post where you try to bait people, you're much better at that stuff.
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Post by: ednksu on April 04, 2011, 08:57:09 PM
if the recruiting location talking point was valid UCLA, USC, SDSU, CAL and a plethora of other school in So Cal would be dominating every year.   Now UCLA is the only out lying school from that region and that is easily explained by coach, boosters, facilities.  
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Post by: Cackle on April 04, 2011, 09:02:33 PM
Location does matter

Every single college basketball recruiting class ranking ever released disagrees with you.

Toss out the "traditional" powers (...we are not one of those).  Then, look at the locations.

What I'm looking at is what the Florida schools are not getting, I'm not talking about us.  BTW the only "traditional" powers IMO are KU, UK, UNC, Duke, and UCLA.  Every other good current program is the beneficiary of recent success, hiring the right guy.  There is literally no reason why any BCS school who wants to commit themselves to it can't become Syracuse.
I'd throw Indiana in that "traditional powers" group
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Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 09:04:28 PM
Pretty solid bbs'ing going on here all of a sudden.  Let's try to remember we're all on the same team though guys.  MIR has made Chum look pretty bad so far but the :powerespect: haymaker Chum landed clearly buckled MIR's knees.  Keep it going guys, this crap is way more interesting that the actual game being player.  :users:
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Post by: gokatgo on April 04, 2011, 09:06:36 PM
eff location, recruiting is all about boosters willing to pony up CASH!

and ho's, that helps too
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 09:07:45 PM
You know how many Willie Cauleys' there are in South Florida EVERY effING YEAR?  We get one every 5-10 years in this entire state.  ...and people are effing bitching because we can't get him to "stay home."

Give Frank a crack at 5 of those every single year and see how he does.

Population of the state of Florida 18.8 million
Population of Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 12.4 million

Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Florida 10
Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 9

I won't even mention the 15 2011 top 150 recruits from the state of Texas and I won't mention that 1 of that 15 is attending a school in Florida.  I also won't mention that of the Texas top 150 kids actually leaving the state that they are leaving for Manhattan, KS, Morgantown, WV, Blacksburg, VA, Stillwater, OK, Fayetville, AR, and New York, NY.

Probably also a poor time to mention that none of the top 150 recruits in the state of Florida are actually staying there.

So, your case is that South Florida is no better of a recruiting area that Missouri, Kansas, and Oklahoma.  That's what you are going with?  Look, you know more about this than me, but I don't see loads of black people running around the latter...more the former.  My opinion is that black people are better to recruit to play basketball for you, and pretty effing firm in my conviction on that point.  Pretty effing firm.

How many times that it needs to be said that people in Florida don't care about basketball.  There are fantastic athletes in Florida that don't touch a basketball until they play in college with their homies on the football team.  Yeah there's more athletes in Florida, Florida has more people than KS, OK, MO, NE, and IA combined.  But it has been proven with cold hard facts time after time that they don't produce near the talent that their population dictates that they should.  That link of Floridians in the tournament is pathetic and proved my point.  There are 6 guys over 4 classes (less than 2 a year) that were highly recruited that attended high school in the state of Florida.  That's awful.
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 09:11:30 PM
You know how many Willie Cauleys' there are in South Florida EVERY effING YEAR?  We get one every 5-10 years in this entire state.  ...and people are effing bitching because we can't get him to "stay home."

Give Frank a crack at 5 of those every single year and see how he does.

Population of the state of Florida 18.8 million
Population of Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 12.4 million

Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Florida 10
Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 9

I won't even mention the 15 2011 top 150 recruits from the state of Texas and I won't mention that 1 of that 15 is attending a school in Florida.  I also won't mention that of the Texas top 150 kids actually leaving the state that they are leaving for Manhattan, KS, Morgantown, WV, Blacksburg, VA, Stillwater, OK, Fayetville, AR, and New York, NY.

Probably also a poor time to mention that none of the top 150 recruits in the state of Florida are actually staying there.

So, your case is that South Florida is no better of a recruiting area that Missouri, Kansas, and Oklahoma.  That's what you are going with?  Look, you know more about this than me, but I don't see loads of black people running around the latter...more the former.  My opinion is that black people are better to recruit to play basketball for you, and pretty effing firm in my conviction on that point.  Pretty effing firm.

How many times that it needs to be said that people in Florida don't care about basketball.  There are fantastic athletes in Florida that don't touch a basketball until they play in college with their homies on the football team.  Yeah there's more athletes in Florida, Florida has more people than KS, OK, MO, NE, and IA combined.  But it has been proven with cold hard facts time after time that they don't produce near the talent that their population dictates that they should.  That link of Floridians in the tournament is pathetic and proved my point.  There are 6 guys over 4 classes (less than 2 a year) that were highly recruited that attended high school in the state of Florida.  That's awful.

Are there more today than there were 5 years ago?  10 years ago?  I'm led to believe that, like Texas over the last 20 years, that the quality of available players is rising....more and more kids choosing basketball.  No?
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2011, 09:12:27 PM
You know how many Willie Cauleys' there are in South Florida EVERY effING YEAR?  We get one every 5-10 years in this entire state.  ...and people are effing bitching because we can't get him to "stay home."

Give Frank a crack at 5 of those every single year and see how he does.

Population of the state of Florida 18.8 million
Population of Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 12.4 million

Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Florida 10
Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 9

I won't even mention the 15 2011 top 150 recruits from the state of Texas and I won't mention that 1 of that 15 is attending a school in Florida.  I also won't mention that of the Texas top 150 kids actually leaving the state that they are leaving for Manhattan, KS, Morgantown, WV, Blacksburg, VA, Stillwater, OK, Fayetville, AR, and New York, NY.

Probably also a poor time to mention that none of the top 150 recruits in the state of Florida are actually staying there.

So, your case is that South Florida is no better of a recruiting area that Missouri, Kansas, and Oklahoma.  That's what you are going with?  Look, you know more about this than me, but I don't see loads of black people running around the latter...more the former.  My opinion is that black people are better to recruit to play basketball for you, and pretty effing firm in my conviction on that point.  Pretty effing firm.

How many times that it needs to be said that people in Florida don't care about basketball.  There are fantastic athletes in Florida that don't touch a basketball until they play in college with their homies on the football team.  Yeah there's more athletes in Florida, Florida has more people than KS, OK, MO, NE, and IA combined.  But it has been proven with cold hard facts time after time that they don't produce near the talent that their population dictates that they should.  That link of Floridians in the tournament is pathetic and proved my point.  There are 6 guys over 4 classes (less than 2 a year) that were highly recruited that attended high school in the state of Florida.  That's awful.

Jason Bennett was a  :star: :star: :star: :star: :star: from Florida. 'nuff said.
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 09:13:50 PM
Location does matter

Every single college basketball recruiting class ranking ever released disagrees with you.

Toss out the "traditional" powers (...we are not one of those).  Then, look at the locations.

What I'm looking at is what the Florida schools are not getting, I'm not talking about us.  BTW the only "traditional" powers IMO are KU, UK, UNC, Duke, and UCLA.  Every other good current program is the beneficiary of recent success, hiring the right guy.  There is literally no reason why any BCS school who wants to commit themselves to it can't become Syracuse.
I'd throw Indiana in that "traditional powers" group

It's my list and I didn't.  They haven't won a national championship in 24 years, recruits are 15-19 years old, in that time frame IU has won one conference title.  They still have good things to offer but Tom Crean can't walk into a living room the way those other guys can.  There are many more schools more relevant to today's recruits.  
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Post by: Pete on April 04, 2011, 09:16:12 PM
You know how many Willie Cauleys' there are in South Florida EVERY effING YEAR?  We get one every 5-10 years in this entire state.  ...and people are effing bitching because we can't get him to "stay home."

Give Frank a crack at 5 of those every single year and see how he does.

Population of the state of Florida 18.8 million
Population of Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 12.4 million

Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Florida 10
Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 9

I won't even mention the 15 2011 top 150 recruits from the state of Texas and I won't mention that 1 of that 15 is attending a school in Florida.  I also won't mention that of the Texas top 150 kids actually leaving the state that they are leaving for Manhattan, KS, Morgantown, WV, Blacksburg, VA, Stillwater, OK, Fayetville, AR, and New York, NY.

Probably also a poor time to mention that none of the top 150 recruits in the state of Florida are actually staying there.

So, your case is that South Florida is no better of a recruiting area that Missouri, Kansas, and Oklahoma.  That's what you are going with?  Look, you know more about this than me, but I don't see loads of black people running around the latter...more the former.  My opinion is that black people are better to recruit to play basketball for you, and pretty effing firm in my conviction on that point.  Pretty effing firm.

How many times that it needs to be said that people in Florida don't care about basketball.  There are fantastic athletes in Florida that don't touch a basketball until they play in college with their homies on the football team.  Yeah there's more athletes in Florida, Florida has more people than KS, OK, MO, NE, and IA combined.  But it has been proven with cold hard facts time after time that they don't produce near the talent that their population dictates that they should.  That link of Floridians in the tournament is pathetic and proved my point.  There are 6 guys over 4 classes (less than 2 a year) that were highly recruited that attended high school in the state of Florida.  That's awful.

Jason Bennett was a  :star: :star: :star: :star: :star: from Florida. 'nuff said.

I talked a TON of crap when we landed him.  a TON.
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 09:20:41 PM
You know how many Willie Cauleys' there are in South Florida EVERY effING YEAR?  We get one every 5-10 years in this entire state.  ...and people are effing bitching because we can't get him to "stay home."

Give Frank a crack at 5 of those every single year and see how he does.

Population of the state of Florida 18.8 million
Population of Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 12.4 million

Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Florida 10
Number of top 150 recruits in '11 & '12 class from Kansas, Missouri, & Oklahoma 9

I won't even mention the 15 2011 top 150 recruits from the state of Texas and I won't mention that 1 of that 15 is attending a school in Florida.  I also won't mention that of the Texas top 150 kids actually leaving the state that they are leaving for Manhattan, KS, Morgantown, WV, Blacksburg, VA, Stillwater, OK, Fayetville, AR, and New York, NY.

Probably also a poor time to mention that none of the top 150 recruits in the state of Florida are actually staying there.

So, your case is that South Florida is no better of a recruiting area that Missouri, Kansas, and Oklahoma.  That's what you are going with?  Look, you know more about this than me, but I don't see loads of black people running around the latter...more the former.  My opinion is that black people are better to recruit to play basketball for you, and pretty effing firm in my conviction on that point.  Pretty effing firm.

How many times that it needs to be said that people in Florida don't care about basketball.  There are fantastic athletes in Florida that don't touch a basketball until they play in college with their homies on the football team.  Yeah there's more athletes in Florida, Florida has more people than KS, OK, MO, NE, and IA combined.  But it has been proven with cold hard facts time after time that they don't produce near the talent that their population dictates that they should.  That link of Floridians in the tournament is pathetic and proved my point.  There are 6 guys over 4 classes (less than 2 a year) that were highly recruited that attended high school in the state of Florida.  That's awful.

Are there more today than there were 5 years ago?  10 years ago?  I'm led to believe that, like Texas over the last 20 years, that the quality of available players is rising....more and more kids choosing basketball.  No?

There's more specialization, and exposure.  College basketball recruiting was still largely regional even 10 years ago.  This helps my argument, larger population bases didn't have to spend a lot of time and money keeping kids near home.  There were schools recruiting nationally but not everyone, now everyone is and more and more kids are being seen.  Khyle Marshall committed to Butler 6 months before they played in the final four last year.  Butler beat Miami for him.
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Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2011, 09:26:44 PM
no one wants to move to kansas.  the end.
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Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 09:32:43 PM
don't have time to address this in the manner it deserves, cause i don't want to miss the start of the 2nd.  but briefly:

don't think location as in nice place is very important.  do think that location as in close to home is important.
don't think martin/miami is very typical of local/out of area recruiting.  he's getting everyone he wants from his friends now, not sure he's gotten anyone that matters from not his friends.  not sure moving to miami changes that much.
martin has friends in miami, also enemies.  don't think moving back will change that.  if anything, proximity makes the hate stronger.
don't think guys now going to duke, kentucky or florida will suddenly choose miami.

finally, no one underrates kansas & kc area talent like kstate fans do.  this area produces good players.
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 04, 2011, 09:38:47 PM
Location is a moot point. Its all about networking as far as recruiting goes in college bball.
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Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 09:40:22 PM
JACKHARRYKSHB JACK HARRY
Missouri curators okayed Frank Haith. 5 year deal for 1.5 million a year. News conference tomorrow at 10 am.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 09:42:56 PM
So who won this and what's the verdict?
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Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 09:43:54 PM
KState fans love to downplay Kansas/KC guys because we seldom land the good ones.  The Rush bros, the kid that played for Stanford, (Willms?) Tyrone Brown, Jamall Walker, Evans, etc, etc.  (I was specifically trying to think of talent that wasn't super fresh in people's mind.  crap- Korleone is another.)  And this is coming from a dude who really didn't follow recruiting on the MO side until like 3 yrs ago, because KSU was never even mentioned in their recruiting.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Fuktard on April 04, 2011, 09:44:43 PM
JACKHARRYKSHB JACK HARRY
Missouri curators okayed Frank Haith. 5 year deal for 1.5 million a year. News conference tomorrow at 10 am.


JFC, $1.5M per?? This stiff was making $600K at Miami and was going to get run.  WTF is MU thinking?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 09:44:53 PM
So who won this and what's the verdict?

Butt Hurt University comes out on top
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: pike on April 04, 2011, 09:45:46 PM
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Yet another N.C State candidate off board. RT @tsnmike: Cincinnati's Mick Cronin remains w/ Bearcats, receives extension aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketbal…


NC State's AD woman must be a real bitch
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 09:46:44 PM
KState fans love to downplay Kansas/KC guys because we seldom land the good ones.  The Rush bros, the kid that played for Stanford, (Willms?) Tyrone Brown, Jamall Walker, Evans, etc, etc.  (I was specifically trying to think of talent that wasn't super fresh in people's mind.  cac- Korleone is another.)  And this is coming from a dude who really didn't follow recruiting on the MO side until like 3 yrs ago, because KSU was never even mentioned in their recruiting.
Earl Watson is another.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: CNS on April 04, 2011, 09:47:38 PM
JACKHARRYKSHB JACK HARRY
Missouri curators okayed Frank Haith. 5 year deal for 1.5 million a year. News conference tomorrow at 10 am.


JFC, $1.5M per?? This stiff was making $600K at Miami and was going to get run.  WTF is MU thinking?

Fuktard, don't think this is accurate.  810 said repeatedly today that he was making around $1.5M at the u.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Saulbadguy on April 04, 2011, 09:48:37 PM
Ok, let's get constructive now.  goEMAWers need to go to UM message boards and monitor the situation closely, and report your findings here.  If they have a pay site that is worth a crap, let's get a subscription going for this month.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2011, 09:50:14 PM
kennedy and blair hated manhattan.  the only thing that makes them unique is that they actually visited rather than blowing us off from the beginning.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: jtksu on April 04, 2011, 09:55:14 PM
Made them unique from Beas, Walker, and Pullz?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: fatty fat fat on April 04, 2011, 09:55:45 PM
more stevedave, less dorks please.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: wildcat1979 on April 04, 2011, 09:57:14 PM
Ok, let's get constructive now.  goEMAWers need to go to UM message boards and monitor the situation closely, and report your findings here.  If they have a pay site that is worth a cac, let's get a subscription going for this month.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=13&f=2929&t=7394769&p=1
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 09:59:03 PM
This thread has become a half-baked brick of crap now that the champ game has distracted sports writers/analysts from caring about miami/martin
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 04, 2011, 09:59:19 PM
KState fans love to downplay Kansas/KC guys because we seldom land the good ones.  The Rush bros, the kid that played for Stanford, (Willms?) Tyrone Brown, Jamall Walker, Evans, etc, etc.  (I was specifically trying to think of talent that wasn't super fresh in people's mind.  cac- Korleone is another.)  And this is coming from a dude who really didn't follow recruiting on the MO side until like 3 yrs ago, because KSU was never even mentioned in their recruiting.
Earl Watson is another.

Anyone remember Derek Hood and Tyrone Lew
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: raquetcat on April 04, 2011, 10:02:37 PM
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Yet another N.C State candidate off board. RT @tsnmike: Cincinnati's Mick Cronin remains w/ Bearcats, receives extension aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketbal…


NC State's AD woman must be a real bitch

she's really good at getting coaches at other schools extensions/raises, how many have turned her down to get extensions, Smart, Marshall, Cronin, and there are more I'm not remembering now
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 10:04:41 PM
This thread has become a half-baked brick of crap now that the champ game has distracted sports writers/analysts from caring about miami/martin

The discussion of Pete & chum's talking point did a good job of weeding out you tards, please read only.  I'm pretty sure I speak for many when I say pages 8-18 or so of this thread could vanish and no one would ever miss what was there.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: scottwildcat on April 04, 2011, 10:05:38 PM
This thread has become a half-baked brick of crap now that the champ game has distracted sports writers/analysts from caring about miami/martin

The discussion of Pete & chum's talking point did a good job of weeding out you tards, please read only.  I'm pretty sure I speak for many when I say pages 8-18 or so of this thread could vanish and no one would ever miss what was there.

this  :bracketmouse:
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: wildcat1979 on April 04, 2011, 10:13:21 PM
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=13&f=2929&t=7393996&p=1

Only a few of the posters actually seem to want him.  They seem to want Capel...
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 04, 2011, 10:14:47 PM
Ok, let's get constructive now.  goEMAWers need to go to UM message boards and monitor the situation closely, and report your findings here.  If they have a pay site that is worth a cac, let's get a subscription going for this month.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=13&f=2929&t=7394769&p=1

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Best reason not to want Frank Martin for Miami's head coaching vacancy: We've already had one coach that recruited Denis Clemente, we don't need a second.

These guys deserve a shitty team.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2011, 10:16:45 PM
The discussion of Pete & chum's talking point did a good job of weeding out you tards, please read only.  I'm pretty sure I speak for many when I say pages 8-18 or so of this thread could vanish and no one would ever miss what was there.

you posted more than anyone else.  
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: 5601js on April 04, 2011, 10:17:52 PM
LOL at their dumbassery.
God forbid a point guard lead your team to an Elite 8.  

No wonder they suck at bball.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 04, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
Location does matter

Every single college basketball recruiting class ranking ever released disagrees with you.

Toss out the "traditional" powers (...we are not one of those).  Then, look at the locations.

What I'm looking at is what the Florida schools are not getting, I'm not talking about us.  BTW the only "traditional" powers IMO are KU, UK, UNC, Duke, and UCLA.  Every other good current program is the beneficiary of recent success, hiring the right guy.  There is literally no reason why any BCS school who wants to commit themselves to it can't become Syracuse.

How can you not put UCONN in the traditional powerhouses? For a kid who is 15-18, UCONN has won 2 NCs in that time (about to be 3) and gone to 4 Final 4's, and won the Big East in 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2005, and 2006, not to mention winning the Big East tournament. They'd be right up there with Duke in terms of accomplishments in the past 20 years.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 10:22:16 PM
This thread has become a half-baked brick of cac now that the champ game has distracted sports writers/analysts from caring about miami/martin

The discussion of Pete & chum's talking point did a good job of weeding out you tards, please read only.  I'm pretty sure I speak for many when I say pages 8-18 or so of this thread could vanish and no one would ever miss what was there.

NO ONE got weeded out. 
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 10:22:44 PM
Ok, let's get constructive now.  goEMAWers need to go to UM message boards and monitor the situation closely, and report your findings here.  If they have a pay site that is worth a cac, let's get a subscription going for this month.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=13&f=2929&t=7394769&p=1

Quote
Best reason not to want Frank Martin for Miami's head coaching vacancy: We've already had one coach that recruited Denis Clemente, we don't need a second.

These guys deserve a cacty team.

This is the kind of insight you expect from "hotdog guy"...

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1. Frank Martin speaks Spanish?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 10:40:59 PM
The discussion of Pete & chum's talking point did a good job of weeding out you tards, please read only.  I'm pretty sure I speak for many when I say pages 8-18 or so of this thread could vanish and no one would ever miss what was there.

you posted more than anyone else.  

Not surprise that you missed the point, I was complimenting you and Pete for diverting the 10+ pages of :runaway: Frank's gone.  My god do you huff paint?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2011, 10:51:36 PM
The discussion of Pete & chum's talking point did a good job of weeding out you tards, please read only.  I'm pretty sure I speak for many when I say pages 8-18 or so of this thread could vanish and no one would ever miss what was there.

you posted more than anyone else.  

Not surprise that you missed the point, I was complimenting you and Pete for diverting the 10+ pages of :runaway: Frank's gone.  My god do you huff paint?

no, the meltdown is the good, fun, ksufans portion of the thread.  the talking out of your ass about recruiting part is the bad, taking yourself too seriously, gpc portion of the thread.  gpc sucks.  you suck.  get it?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 10:59:09 PM
This is a thread about the coaching carousel, right?  Just want to be sure this is the best place to dump this?   :facepalm:

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Yet another N.C State candidate off board. RT @tsnmike: Cincinnati's Mick Cronin remains w/ Bearcats, receives extension http://t.co/ncsyHa3

Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 11:00:00 PM
Okay, the horrible game is over, the squabbling over the KSU vs. Miami job is hopefully drawing to a close (because KSU is the better job, obviously), and now we can start talking about how much Frank can command for his extension.

I say KSU starts at $1.8 per year plus incentives.  Seems like a reasonable starting point.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 11:00:34 PM
This is a thread about the coaching carousel, right?  Just want to be sure this is the best place to dump this?   :facepalm:

Quote
Yet another N.C State candidate off board. RT @tsnmike: Cincinnati's Mick Cronin remains w/ Bearcats, receives extension http://t.co/ncsyHa3



They should give Dana Altman a call.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 11:05:41 PM
Okay, the horrible game is over, the squabbling over the KSU vs. Miami job is hopefully drawing to a close (because KSU is the better job, obviously), and now we can start talking about how much Frank can command for his extension.

I say KSU starts at $1.8 per year plus incentives.  Seems like a reasonable starting point.

Thoughts?

Good number, but I'd offer it tomorrow and have him sign with a humongo buyout so Uconn doesn't take him. 
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 04, 2011, 11:10:31 PM
Okay, the horrible game is over, the squabbling over the KSU vs. Miami job is hopefully drawing to a close (because KSU is the better job, obviously), and now we can start talking about how much Frank can command for his extension.

I say KSU starts at $1.8 per year plus incentives.  Seems like a reasonable starting point.

Thoughts?

Just restructure. Keep the current deal, but add on around 200K per year.  Instead of $1.3 million in 2011-12, $1.4 million in 2012-13, $1.5 million in 2013-14 and $1.6 million in 2014-15, make it something like this: $1.5 million in 2011-12, $1.6 million in 2012-13, $1.7 million in 2013-14 and $1.8 million in 2014-15. Plus incentives.

Then reset the buyout; $2 million this season, then $1 after next, and so on.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 11:14:34 PM
Okay, the horrible game is over, the squabbling over the KSU vs. Miami job is hopefully drawing to a close (because KSU is the better job, obviously), and now we can start talking about how much Frank can command for his extension.

I say KSU starts at $1.8 per year plus incentives.  Seems like a reasonable starting point.

Thoughts?

Does goEMAW mgmt have to fire up the "pay Frank" machine again, or can you guys do something on your own?
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 11:16:28 PM
Okay, the horrible game is over, the squabbling over the KSU vs. Miami job is hopefully drawing to a close (because KSU is the better job, obviously), and now we can start talking about how much Frank can command for his extension.

I say KSU starts at $1.8 per year plus incentives.  Seems like a reasonable starting point.

Thoughts?

If we do end up extending him, I hope it is done right.  He needs to be at $2 million plus with raises for the staff which will allow for a high buyout.  Part of the reason that we are worried about lateral or worse moves like Oregon, Depaul, NCSU, and Miami is that his contract blows.  However, at this point it would appear that we would be bidding against ourselves which isn't a good thing.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 11:21:47 PM
Okay, the horrible game is over, the squabbling over the KSU vs. Miami job is hopefully drawing to a close (because KSU is the better job, obviously), and now we can start talking about how much Frank can command for his extension.

I say KSU starts at $1.8 per year plus incentives.  Seems like a reasonable starting point.

Thoughts?

If we do end up extending him, I hope it is done right.  He needs to be at $2 million plus with raises for the staff which will allow for a high buyout.  Part of the reason that we are worried about lateral or worse moves like Oregon, Depaul, NCSU, and Miami is that his contract blows.  However, at this point it would appear that we would be bidding against ourselves which isn't a good thing.

Here's something I debated with a co-worker...

I don't know what we're paying Underwood, Figgs, Greenwalt, etc., but if Frank is the loyal guy I think he is, and Currie is the guy I think he is (i.e. he'll go outside the current staff for a coach), something tells me the school that hires him is hiring the whole crew, and Frank wouldn't feel right letting his guys swing in the wind without jobs.  That's the biggest reason I don't think Miami is a threat; they can pay him, but I don't think they can handle the entourage.

Now, my assumption could have no basis in reality, and I could be way off base, but I think we need to keep throwing money at the whole lot of them.  That seems like it's every bit, if not more, likely to keep him here.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 11:23:02 PM
Okay, the horrible game is over, the squabbling over the KSU vs. Miami job is hopefully drawing to a close (because KSU is the better job, obviously), and now we can start talking about how much Frank can command for his extension.

I say KSU starts at $1.8 per year plus incentives.  Seems like a reasonable starting point.

Thoughts?

Does goEMAW mgmt have to fire up the "pay Frank" machine again, or can you guys do something on your own?
[/quote

Hey, I wrote an article about it last year, man.  We just don't have the marketing engine you guys do.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Benja on April 04, 2011, 11:27:19 PM
His contract is probably just about right where it should be and 1.5 mil plus incentives for the next few years is a great deal for a first time head coach. If another school comes offering with more money we'll have the opp to restructure his contract or not. If his success continues we'll prob restructure it regardless.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 11:30:11 PM
a first time head coach

He has had sustained success, this is no longer relevant.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 04, 2011, 11:30:31 PM
Okay, the horrible game is over, the squabbling over the KSU vs. Miami job is hopefully drawing to a close (because KSU is the better job, obviously), and now we can start talking about how much Frank can command for his extension.

I say KSU starts at $1.8 per year plus incentives.  Seems like a reasonable starting point.

Thoughts?

Just restructure. Keep the current deal, but add on around 200K per year.  Instead of $1.3 million in 2011-12, $1.4 million in 2012-13, $1.5 million in 2013-14 and $1.6 million in 2014-15, make it something like this: $1.5 million in 2011-12, $1.6 million in 2012-13, $1.7 million in 2013-14 and $1.8 million in 2014-15. Plus incentives.

Then reset the buyout; $2 million this season, then $1 after next, and so on.

I don't know, man.  Market value is skyrocketing, and we had a budget surplus of what?  $4 million?

Snyder certainly isn't the one getting our Powercat pasted all over ESPN.  Deb Patterson isn't going on Jim Rome and getting slobbered all over.  

I guess what I'm saying is that we're paying for Frank Martin: The Brand, which is immensely popular and elevates Kansas State: The Brand.  I think he's worth a $500K bump in the restructure that says 1.8, 1.9, 2.0, 2.1, etc.

I like your idea, but I think we need to just show him we're serious and just be done with it.  We're paying Snyder $1.85 million to basically act like a Jersey crime lord and give jobs to buddies and relatives with no other job skills, so Frank should get roughly the equal amount for making us relevant on a national scale.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Deez Nutz on April 04, 2011, 11:31:19 PM
Okay, the horrible game is over, the squabbling over the KSU vs. Miami job is hopefully drawing to a close (because KSU is the better job, obviously), and now we can start talking about how much Frank can command for his extension.

I say KSU starts at $1.8 per year plus incentives.  Seems like a reasonable starting point.

Thoughts?

If we do end up extending him, I hope it is done right.  He needs to be at $2 million plus with raises for the staff which will allow for a high buyout.  Part of the reason that we are worried about lateral or worse moves like Oregon, Depaul, NCSU, and Miami is that his contract blows.  However, at this point it would appear that we would be bidding against ourselves which isn't a good thing.

Here's something I debated with a co-worker...

I don't know what we're paying Underwood, Figgs, Greenwalt, etc., but if Frank is the loyal guy I think he is, and Currie is the guy I think he is (i.e. he'll go outside the current staff for a coach), something tells me the school that hires him is hiring the whole crew, and Frank wouldn't feel right letting his guys swing in the wind without jobs.  That's the biggest reason I don't think Miami is a threat; they can pay him, but I don't think they can handle the entourage.

Now, my assumption could have no basis in reality, and I could be way off base, but I think we need to keep throwing money at the whole lot of them.  That seems like it's every bit, if not more, likely to keep him here.

Last year when Frank's contract was redone, all of the assistants got raises too, I believe.  At least that's what Currie said at the press conference anyway.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 11:31:58 PM
Okay, the horrible game is over, the squabbling over the KSU vs. Miami job is hopefully drawing to a close (because KSU is the better job, obviously), and now we can start talking about how much Frank can command for his extension.

I say KSU starts at $1.8 per year plus incentives.  Seems like a reasonable starting point.

Thoughts?

If we do end up extending him, I hope it is done right.  He needs to be at $2 million plus with raises for the staff which will allow for a high buyout.  Part of the reason that we are worried about lateral or worse moves like Oregon, Depaul, NCSU, and Miami is that his contract blows.  However, at this point it would appear that we would be bidding against ourselves which isn't a good thing.

Here's something I debated with a co-worker...

I don't know what we're paying Underwood, Figgs, Greenwalt, etc., but if Frank is the loyal guy I think he is, and Currie is the guy I think he is (i.e. he'll go outside the current staff for a coach), something tells me the school that hires him is hiring the whole crew, and Frank wouldn't feel right letting his guys swing in the wind without jobs.  That's the biggest reason I don't think Miami is a threat; they can pay him, but I don't think they can handle the entourage.

Now, my assumption could have no basis in reality, and I could be way off base, but I think we need to keep throwing money at the whole lot of them.  That seems like it's every bit, if not more, likely to keep him here.

I think we should specifically throw more money at Figgz, Greeny, and maybe Assaley.  Hill makes enough as it is, and Frank seems like me might kill Brad someday.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 11:37:28 PM
i wouldn't negotiate from weakness, just my bias.


if i still felt like it was something to do over the summer or next fall, then i'd dump in a ton of retention bonus money to even out the defacto buyout.  could bump up the salary as well or not.  at this level, i really don't think money is going to be what causes martin to stay or go over then next couple years.



not going to go back and look for it to quote, but, jt, good observo re. kstate fans underrating ks/kc talent because for 20 years kstate got so little of it.  
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 04, 2011, 11:38:36 PM
I think we should specifically throw more money at Figgz, Greeny, and maybe Assaley.  Hill makes enough as it is, and Frank seems like me might kill Brad someday.

can't let assaley get away.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: jtksu on April 05, 2011, 12:29:05 AM
While we're throwing otherpeople's money around, why not give Phil Jackson like 10 mil per year?  I promise we will recruit like nobody's business.  The fact is- Frank isn't worth 2 mil.  He may be someday, but he isn't right now.   We could likely get a very talented coach for less than that.   I guess there must be a bunch of poor ass, lotto scratching mofos in this thread.  Rich people didn't become rich by wasting money, no matter what part of the country they live in.  If Frank's deal is 1.5sh, renegotiate to 1.7 ish, with raises for the staff.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 05, 2011, 12:36:20 AM
While we're throwing otherpeople's money around, why not give Phil Jackson like 10 mil per year?  I promise we will recruit like nobody's business.  The fact is- Frank isn't worth 2 mil.  He may be someday, but he isn't right now.   We could likely get a very talented coach for less than that.   I guess there must be a bunch of poor ass, lotto scratching mofos in this thread.  Rich people didn't become rich by wasting money, no matter what part of the country they live in.  If Frank's deal is 1.5sh, renegotiate to 1.7 ish, with raises for the staff.

If necessary, you pay whatever it takes to keep someone who has gone to four straight post-season tournaments (NCAA 75% of the time) and finished in the top four of their conference every year they've been the coach.

You could end up with Frank Haith if you play serious hardball.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: jtksu on April 05, 2011, 12:40:31 AM
Gotcha- just throw money around.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2011, 12:45:33 AM
While we're throwing otherpeople's money around, why not give Phil Jackson like 10 mil per year?  I promise we will recruit like nobody's business.  The fact is- Frank isn't worth 2 mil.  He may be someday, but he isn't right now.   We could likely get a very talented coach for less than that.   I guess there must be a bunch of poor ass, lotto scratching mofos in this thread.  Rich people didn't become rich by wasting money, no matter what part of the country they live in.  If Frank's deal is 1.5sh, renegotiate to 1.7 ish, with raises for the staff.

Pretty certain that I said I wouldn't negotiate against ourselves, it isn't needed at this point.  Bumping his to $1.5-$1.7 won't be an option if we have to renegotiate, whoever makes him an offer will offer at least that.  A $200,000 raise, pfft.  

Had this "worth" conversation last week, not having it again.  When you measure worth, consider the revenues of the basketball program now and then what it was before Huggins and Frank.  Really when we are talking about literally millions in profits, a few hundred thousand isn't a big deal to commit to a known entity that donors are happy with.  The shitty football coach makes over $2 million.  I want to become a big time program, we won't get there by being cheap with a couple of dollars.  We have the money, and by the way it isn't "other peoples money."  I donate and I'll donate more if I know the money is being used correctly.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: Panjandrum on April 05, 2011, 12:50:26 AM
Gotcha- just throw money around.

That's really over-simplifying it.

As I mentioned above, you pay to keep a brand.  Kansas State isn't on ESPN all of the time, or Jim Rome all of the time, because we finish in the top four of the Big 12 every year.  We get that because of Frank Martin and the fact that he's good for a clip or a soundbyte.

Frank is one of those coaches that kind of transcends the game because of his persona.  We'll always have cameras on us because the cameras love him.  We'll always have articles written about us because he gives a great quote.  You can't put a price on that because that benefits the program AND the university.  It's free advertising.

Kansas State isn't relevant because of one Elite 8 run.  Kansas State is relevant because Frank is a good story.  Otherwise, we're Missouri, and no one gives a crap about Missouri (as you've clearly seen).
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2011, 12:51:25 AM
Gotcha- just throw money around.

I don't think he is proposing the raise right now.  That being said IF he did get the raise without the price being pushed up by another athletic department you could also throw in the Buzz Williams like $3 million buyout.  The issue problem with waiting is that you run the risk of having to pay more.  There is no doubt that if someone wants Frank it is going to cost a hell of a lot more to match someones offer and bump up a buyout.
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Post by: Panjandrum on April 05, 2011, 12:59:29 AM
Gotcha- just throw money around.

I don't think he is proposing the raise right now.  That being said IF he did get the raise without the price being pushed up by another athletic department you could also throw in the Buzz Williams like $3 million buyout.  The issue problem with waiting is that you run the risk of having to pay more.  There is no doubt that if someone wants Frank it is going to cost a hell of a lot more to match someones offer and bump up a buyout.

This.  A million times this.

Oregon and DePaul offered ungodly sums of money at Frank last year, and he stayed for his piddly extension.

What Frank makes right now puts him at risk for lateral moves and bad moves motivated by big money (e.g. NC State).  You need to take lateral moves out of the equation.  You do that by paying your coach a competitive salary.

What do we know?  LHC Bill Snyder makes at least $1.85 million.  As I'm aware, Travis Ford is the fourth highest paid coach in the conference at 1.8 million.  It only seems fair that he be paid as much as a football coach that isn't providing anything in terms of media exposure or quality results, and in the top quartile of conference coaches for finishing in the top quartile every year he's been a head coach.

Therefore, I want him to make at least $1.8 million.  $500K.  Big whoop.  He's selling out the arena, increasing donations, and the momentum behind his program secured enough money to get a practice facility built based only on private donations (for two programs no less).

To me, that seems like a steal.
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Post by: Benja on April 05, 2011, 01:07:33 AM
While we're throwing otherpeople's money around, why not give Phil Jackson like 10 mil per year?  I promise we will recruit like nobody's business.  The fact is- Frank isn't worth 2 mil.  He may be someday, but he isn't right now.   We could likely get a very talented coach for less than that.   I guess there must be a bunch of poor ass, lotto scratching mofos in this thread.  Rich people didn't become rich by wasting money, no matter what part of the country they live in.  If Frank's deal is 1.5sh, renegotiate to 1.7 ish, with raises for the staff.

If necessary, you pay whatever it takes to keep someone who has gone to four straight post-season tournaments (NCAA 75% of the time) and finished in the top four of their conference every year they've been the coach.

Come on Pan. Whatever it takes? Now you're sounding like the tuck fans that are terrified of ever letting go of OB. I rough ridin' love Frank and he should get what he deserves and if another school offers more we should battle to keep him. But once the practice facility gets done you could actually call k-state a pretty good job. And I'm pretty glad we have an AD now that knows this and won't negotiate like coaches are holding us hostage.
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Post by: Benja on April 05, 2011, 01:11:46 AM
Gotcha- just throw money around.

That's really over-simplifying it.

As I mentioned above, you pay to keep a brand.  Kansas State isn't on ESPN all of the time, or Jim Rome all of the time, because we finish in the top four of the Big 12 every year.  We get that because of Frank Martin and the fact that he's good for a clip or a soundbyte.

Frank is one of those coaches that kind of transcends the game because of his persona.  We'll always have cameras on us because the cameras love him.  We'll always have articles written about us because he gives a great quote.  You can't put a price on that because that benefits the program AND the university.  It's free advertising.

Kansas State isn't relevant because of one Elite 8 run.  Kansas State is relevant because Frank is a good story.  Otherwise, we're Missouri, and no one gives a crap about Missouri (as you've clearly seen).

These are all really good points though. This definitely raises Frank's worth. It's like the anti-Snyder effect.
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Post by: Panjandrum on April 05, 2011, 01:22:07 AM
Gotcha- just throw money around.

That's really over-simplifying it.

As I mentioned above, you pay to keep a brand.  Kansas State isn't on ESPN all of the time, or Jim Rome all of the time, because we finish in the top four of the Big 12 every year.  We get that because of Frank Martin and the fact that he's good for a clip or a soundbyte.

Frank is one of those coaches that kind of transcends the game because of his persona.  We'll always have cameras on us because the cameras love him.  We'll always have articles written about us because he gives a great quote.  You can't put a price on that because that benefits the program AND the university.  It's free advertising.

Kansas State isn't relevant because of one Elite 8 run.  Kansas State is relevant because Frank is a good story.  Otherwise, we're Missouri, and no one gives a crap about Missouri (as you've clearly seen).

These are all really good points though. This definitely raises Frank's worth. It's like the anti-Snyder effect.

I'm not being all 'sky is falling' tuckish.  I just want people to recognize that Frank's value extends past wins and losses for us.

Also, aside from that, with all of the mid-major coaches scrambling back to their current jobs with long term extensions, you don't want to be in the market for a new coach right now, or so it seems.  You may have to overpay to prevent taking a real step back.

Can you find a coach out there on your radar that has Frank's resume AND out-of-the-box charisma?  I saw one person this off-season, and he just signed an eight year extension with VCU.

After that, it's just a sea of 'meh' and a lot of tier 3 broadcasts because ESPN doesn't care about KSU without Frank Martin on Big Monday with a 'coach cam' glued on his face.
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Post by: nicname on April 05, 2011, 02:09:24 AM
Gotcha- just throw money around.

That's really over-simplifying it.

As I mentioned above, you pay to keep a brand.  Kansas State isn't on ESPN all of the time, or Jim Rome all of the time, because we finish in the top four of the Big 12 every year.  We get that because of Frank Martin and the fact that he's good for a clip or a soundbyte.

Frank is one of those coaches that kind of transcends the game because of his persona.  We'll always have cameras on us because the cameras love him.  We'll always have articles written about us because he gives a great quote.  You can't put a price on that because that benefits the program AND the university.  It's free advertising.

Kansas State isn't relevant because of one Elite 8 run.  Kansas State is relevant because Frank is a good story.  Otherwise, we're Missouri, and no one gives a crap about Missouri (as you've clearly seen).

These are all really good points though. This definitely raises Frank's worth. It's like the anti-Snyder effect.

I'm not being all 'sky is falling' tuckish.  I just want people to recognize that Frank's value extends past wins and losses for us.

Also, aside from that, with all of the mid-major coaches scrambling back to their current jobs with long term extensions, you don't want to be in the market for a new coach right now, or so it seems.  You may have to overpay to prevent taking a real step back.

Can you find a coach out there on your radar that has Frank's resume AND out-of-the-box charisma?  I saw one person this off-season, and he just signed an eight year extension with VCU.

After that, it's just a sea of 'meh' and a lot of tier 3 broadcasts because ESPN doesn't care about KSU without Frank Martin on Big Monday with a 'coach cam' glued on his face.

Great post.
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Post by: sys on April 05, 2011, 02:14:51 AM
once the practice facility gets done you could actually call k-state a pretty good job.

what makes it "good"?  in comparison with what?
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Post by: jtksu on April 05, 2011, 06:14:59 AM
Kesus, Sys, get over yourself.  grab a dictionary and find "good,"  And we're obviously talking about one thing, D1 college basketball.  Stop acting like you're some sort of genius.  You may be a savant but we all know what typically precides that term.  On a side note- anyone suggesting that Frank should be paid like Bill is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  If Frank is able to replicate the DoD in the OOD, maybe.  I know who paysthe billls and whatever retards suggested that obviously doesn't.
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Post by: Panjandrum on April 05, 2011, 07:01:26 AM
Kesus, Sys, get over yourself.  grab a dictionary and find "good,"  And we're obviously talking about one thing, D1 college basketball.  Stop acting like you're some sort of genius.  You may be a savant but we all know what typically precides that term.  On a side note- anyone suggesting that Frank should be paid like Bill is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). If Frank is able to replicate the DoD in the OOD, maybe.  I know who paysthe billls and whatever retards suggested that obviously doesn't.

So, yeah, a bunch of conference wins and one conference title in 15 years.  Got it.

Frank already has a really good conference winning percentage, and he has 11 years to win a conference title, so your argument doesn't hold much water.

And thank you for completely ignoring my point about getting Kansas State out there on a national scale.  Since Bill hunkers down and acts like a crotchety hermit 365 days a year, we need to at least acknowledge Frank's value as being the face of our athletic department.
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Post by: Cire on April 05, 2011, 07:03:37 AM
KSU's a good job.  Good fan support, good admin support.  Soon to be good facilities.  If they restructure frank's contract in the ballpark of 1.75-2 per year it's even better.
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Post by: 5601js on April 05, 2011, 07:18:27 AM
SaveUMFootball Papa Cane
UM Basketball Coaching Search Update: Miami has contacted Alabama HC and native Miamian Anthony Grant.

Mods, should we start a separate UM Coach watch thread?
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Post by: michigancat on April 05, 2011, 07:43:10 AM
I'm sorry I missed the recruiting discussion. I think the "location doesn't matter" folks are ignoring the long term. I agree there would be little to no difference in the short term. Long term, proximity to a large population base DOES matter. Huggs talked about it quite a bit during his time here - you can't just have underclassmen pop in for an open gym or unofficial visit in Manhattan like you can in Cincinnati or Miami or UConn. You don't think easier access to face time with recruits isn't an advantage? If so, you're so beyond dumbass I don't even know where to start.

Location is not an excuse, and it can be overcome (KU, OSU, and MU really have the same disadvantage), but it is reality.
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Post by: 0.42 on April 05, 2011, 08:02:50 AM
You know what I enjoyed besides having ridic. adorable players?

The Streak.

Gonna suck playing Doc and Boyle on Wednesdays from now on.
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Post by: wabash909 on April 05, 2011, 08:18:54 AM


That's really over-simplifying it.

As I mentioned above, you pay to keep a brand.  Kansas State isn't on ESPN all of the time, or Jim Rome all of the time, because we finish in the top four of the Big 12 every year.  We get that because of Frank Martin and the fact that he's good for a clip or a soundbyte.

Frank is one of those coaches that kind of transcends the game because of his persona.  We'll always have cameras on us because the cameras love him.  We'll always have articles written about us because he gives a great quote.  You can't put a price on that because that benefits the program AND the university.  It's free advertising.

Kansas State isn't relevant because of one Elite 8 run.  Kansas State is relevant because Frank is a good story.  Otherwise, we're Missouri, and no one gives a crap about Missouri (as you've clearly seen).


Excellent points.

As the old adage goes, a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

I think the strategy is far more sound to continue the heavy financial commitment to preserve what we have in a proven commodity because we could easily be facing a Missouri scenario.  We know what we have in Frank.  The sample size is large enough to deduct that this guy is a hell of a coach, one that historically is in line with some of the best that have ever coached here.  And as you noted maybe one of the most important facet of Frank's value is tremendous ability to elevate the brand for our university.  I mention all of this because the prior 20 years in which the program languished in obscurity before Frank is still fresh in my mind.

If we're in a financial position to do it, I think it's greatly important from a visible demonstration of commitment to elevate his salary again in accordance with the shifting market.  An additional 400 to 500k annually is more that worthy considering the returns, in my opinion.




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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 05, 2011, 08:23:02 AM
The only reason Frank's contract looks low is because Dalonte makes so much. Frank should get a small raise, but bumping him up to $2 million per year and paying Dalonte almost half a million is excessive. Keep in mind that we will be looking for a new football coach in a couple of years, and we will need all the money we can get if we want somebody good for that role.
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 05, 2011, 08:32:07 AM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Pat Knight hired at Lamar. Source told FOXSports.com news conference scheduled for later today.
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 08:38:53 AM
Quote
goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Pat Knight hired at Lamar. Source told FOXSports.com news conference scheduled for later today.

Good for Pat.

When Lamar destroyed one of Dana's teams it was definitely a sign of things to come for Wildcat basketball.  The Altburidge era. :sigh:
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Post by: EllToPay on April 05, 2011, 08:43:40 AM
810 saying there is lots of talk that Jeff Capel will be Haith's top assistant.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 05, 2011, 08:45:59 AM
once the practice facility gets done you could actually call k-state a pretty good job.

what makes it "good"?  in comparison with what?

cu, nu, baylor, tt, ou, isu - definitely
osu, mu - possibly
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Post by: Panjandrum on April 05, 2011, 08:48:51 AM
once the practice facility gets done you could actually call k-state a pretty good job.

what makes it "good"?  in comparison with what?

cu, nu, baylor, tt, ou, isu - definitely
osu, mu - possibly

Which is acceptable given our current financial situation and the current need.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 05, 2011, 08:54:39 AM
When Frank has the program at a level that it's bringing in $9-$10 million a year, and not $7 or $8 million a year than by all means, give him a huge pay raise.  

Until he proves he can sustain success, recruit at a high level, make the NCAA tourney and finish in the upper half of the conference in the post Pullen/Clemente era he's not worth a huge pay raise.   Next year the per seat Ahearn Fees go up for Basketball, will there be enough enthusiasm behind the program to sell out again?  

He just got a huge pay raise, next year his pay will have nearly doubled over his original contract, he got paid a huge signing bonus, he's on the cusp of getting a $250K retention bonus, he's being paid significant bonuses for things that have nothing to do with winning, plus significant bonuses for doing things that should be expected every year.   He's got perks coming out the ass, and they're building him a brand new $17 million dollar basketball facility.  

It's not like K-State isn't pumping plenty of cash into Frank's pocket for what I consider the baseline of what K-State basketball should do every single year.  
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Post by: doom on April 05, 2011, 09:33:44 AM
I'm sorry I missed the recruiting discussion. I think the "location doesn't matter" folks are ignoring the long term. I agree there would be little to no difference in the short term. Long term, proximity to a large population base DOES matter. Huggs talked about it quite a bit during his time here - you can't just have underclassmen pop in for an open gym or unofficial visit in Manhattan like you can in Cincinnati or Miami or UConn. You don't think easier access to face time with recruits isn't an advantage? If so, you're so beyond dumbass I don't even know where to start.

Location is not an excuse, and it can be overcome (KU, OSU, and MU really have the same disadvantage), but it is reality.

I agree, but the airport situation changing has helped IMO. 
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Post by: Fuktard on April 05, 2011, 09:41:08 AM
Exerpts from Mellinger article:

haith is a great recruiter.  His teams overachieved.  1 NCAA tourney in 7 years.  Avg wins 18.

Can someone smarter than me explain this?
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Post by: steve dave on April 05, 2011, 09:42:46 AM
810 saying there is lots of talk that Jeff Capel will be Haith's top assistant.

 :horrorsurprise:
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 05, 2011, 09:43:26 AM
810 saying there is lots of talk that Jeff Capel will be Haith's top assistant.

seen some stuff on Mizzou boards. Didn't figure there was much to it.
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Post by: Brock Landers on April 05, 2011, 09:47:32 AM
Exerpts from Mellinger article:

haith is a great recruiter.  His teams overachieved.  1 NCAA tourney in 7 years.  Avg wins 18.

Can someone smarter than me explain this?


Simple explanation is Mellinger is a dumbass.  He contradicts himself in that excerpt.  If a coach is such great recruiter, how can a team overachieve and only get to i tourney in 7 years??
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2011, 09:49:32 AM
SaveUMFootball Papa Cane
UM Basketball Coaching Search Update: Miami has contacted Alabama HC and native Miamian Anthony Grant.

Mods, should we start a separate UM Coach watch thread?

Seems like a good time to remind everyone that there is a scheduled press conference with KSU in 48 hours here in Wichita to announce the WVU game.  I would guess this will be resolved by then.
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 10:04:17 AM
Exerpts from Mellinger article:

haith is a great recruiter.  His teams overachieved.  1 NCAA tourney in 7 years.  Avg wins 18.

Can someone smarter than me explain this?

The overachieved part comes from the fact that Miami is traditionally a terrible program, and besides Leonard Hamilton it has been. But you are correct, it is a big contradiction to say he recruited well (and he did, his recruiting was very good IMHO) but still overachieved. His teams are simply average defensively and don't pressure (force TOs) at all, it will be interesting to see how that translates to the Big 12/10. His defensive profiles remind me of a Greg McDermott coached team, his offensive profiles actually have some similarities to ours, and his teams play at a pace of about 65 poss/game.
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Post by: OK_Cat on April 05, 2011, 10:10:01 AM
Until he proves he can sustain success, recruit at a high level, make the NCAA tourney and finish in the upper half of the conference in the post Pullen/Clemente era he's not worth a huge pay raise.


The problem I have with that example is that this is the second time we've heard that....except before, it was "let's see how he does after Beasley/Walker."

I don't think we need to throw tons of money at him, but I think we're past the point of wondering if he'll keep kstate at a high level.
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Post by: michigancat on April 05, 2011, 10:11:46 AM
He might have recruited well relative to the Big 12 but I don't think he recruited especially well relative to the ACC.
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Post by: pissclams on April 05, 2011, 10:14:36 AM
frank doesn't need a raise, jfc.  and the brand crap was funny too.  tons of dumbassery everywhere in this thread. 


I don't think we need to throw tons of money at him, but I think we're past the point of wondering if he'll keep kstate at a high level.
have you clicked on any of the recruiting threads lately?
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Post by: doom on April 05, 2011, 10:16:53 AM
Until he proves he can sustain success, recruit at a high level, make the NCAA tourney and finish in the upper half of the conference in the post Pullen/Clemente era he's not worth a huge pay raise.


The problem I have with that example is that this is the second time we've heard that....except before, it was "let's see how he does after Beasley/Walker."

I don't think we need to throw tons of money at him, but I think we're past the point of wondering if he'll keep kstate at a high level.

I agree with dax, but I also think we can take it further.  Let's see how well Frank does without Diaz or A-rod and then we'll really know what kind of a coach he is. 
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Post by: OK_Cat on April 05, 2011, 10:18:29 AM
frank doesn't need a raise, jfc.  and the brand crap was funny too.  tons of dumbassery everywhere in this thread. 


I don't think we need to throw tons of money at him, but I think we're past the point of wondering if he'll keep kstate at a high level.
have you clicked on any of the recruiting threads lately?

i don't give 2 shits about recruiting, i just care about results.  
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Post by: OK_Cat on April 05, 2011, 10:19:07 AM
Until he proves he can sustain success, recruit at a high level, make the NCAA tourney and finish in the upper half of the conference in the post Pullen/Clemente era he's not worth a huge pay raise.


The problem I have with that example is that this is the second time we've heard that....except before, it was "let's see how he does after Beasley/Walker."

I don't think we need to throw tons of money at him, but I think we're past the point of wondering if he'll keep kstate at a high level.

I agree with dax, but I also think we can take it further.  Let's see how well Frank does without Diaz or A-rod and then we'll really know what kind of a coach he is. 

next, it will probably end up being "let's see how he does without McGruder/Spradling"
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 10:20:06 AM
He might have recruited well relative to the Big 12 but I don't think he recruited especially well relative to the ACC.

Fair point. Just glancing at the rest of the ACC outside of Duke/Carolina, Haith's recruiting was probably in about the middle of the league.
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Post by: pissclams on April 05, 2011, 10:25:53 AM
frank doesn't need a raise, jfc.  and the brand crap was funny too.  tons of dumbassery everywhere in this thread. 


I don't think we need to throw tons of money at him, but I think we're past the point of wondering if he'll keep kstate at a high level.
have you clicked on any of the recruiting threads lately?

i don't give 2 shits about recruiting, i just care about results. 
just a "heads up", the two are directly related.  dumbass_Cat
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 05, 2011, 10:30:29 AM
Until he proves he can sustain success, recruit at a high level, make the NCAA tourney and finish in the upper half of the conference in the post Pullen/Clemente era he's not worth a huge pay raise.


The problem I have with that example is that this is the second time we've heard that....except before, it was "let's see how he does after Beasley/Walker."

I don't think we need to throw tons of money at him, but I think we're past the point of wondering if he'll keep kstate at a high level.

No we're not . . . and we don't need to throw any more money around.   For the amount of money that K-State basketball makes, and for what Frank has done to date.  He's compensated quite well . . . and note, I'm not saying we can't afford to pay him another $500K a year or even more, because we can.   But that puts Frank in the same arena as coaches who have done a hell of a lot a more than he has/coaches with great agents working for stupid schools who pay too much for what they get.
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Post by: OK_Cat on April 05, 2011, 10:32:32 AM
frank doesn't need a raise, jfc.  and the brand crap was funny too.  tons of dumbassery everywhere in this thread. 


I don't think we need to throw tons of money at him, but I think we're past the point of wondering if he'll keep kstate at a high level.
have you clicked on any of the recruiting threads lately?

i don't give 2 shits about recruiting, i just care about results. 
just a "heads up", the two are directly related.  dumbass_Cat

until I start to see shitty results, I DGAF, fake_clams
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 10:34:40 AM
That's really over-simplifying it.

As I mentioned above, you pay to keep a brand.  Kansas State isn't on ESPN all of the time, or Jim Rome all of the time, because we finish in the top four of the Big 12 every year.  We get that because of Frank Martin and the fact that he's good for a clip or a soundbyte.

Frank is one of those coaches that kind of transcends the game because of his persona.  We'll always have cameras on us because the cameras love him.  We'll always have articles written about us because he gives a great quote.  You can't put a price on that because that benefits the program AND the university.  It's free advertising.

Kansas State isn't relevant because of one Elite 8 run.  Kansas State is relevant because Frank is a good story.  Otherwise, we're Missouri, and no one gives a crap about Missouri (as you've clearly seen).

The branding issue is a major point in all this, and one that can't be overlooked. And its noticed, Telep wrote about it in November:

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1. The scowl is the brand
The best basketball teams in America recruit to their brand. Teams who struggle to establish their brand often times wind up navigating the high seas of college basketball without a compass. Your brand or identity can be a style of play like Syracuse's zone or a mindset akin to Michigan State's toughness.
At Kansas State, the brand is the coach. Frank Martin sets the tone and is the face of the program. Each icy stare he shoots at a player isn't met with resistance but respect and the guys truly revere him on his team. Martin recruits guys with a chip on their shoulder and coaches them hard.

When you bring in guys who feel slighted like Jacob Pullen (not a top 100 player) and Will Spradling, they want to prove people wrong. Martin uses that motivation and by doing so he appeals to the next Pullen sitting in his living room watching Kansas State gang up on higher-rated prospects and teams. Martin is the brand and right now it's strong and appealing.

We have something that can't be replaced easily if you let it go. When Kruger left K-State still had a brand as a program. We've been through Huggins, Beasley, Walker, and Pullen in the last 5 years, but when you ask 95% (or more) of the public about K-State basketball, most will mention Frank Martin first. This is really an amazing thing, I think we are so close to it as fans we really don't realize how amazing it is, especially when a big part of the star power in college basketball is from the coaches, past and present. From Wooden to Knight to Coach K to Calhoun. Players come and go so often, the face of programs either becomes their tradition/success, their coach, or eventually both. All signs point to us having at least the beginning stages of that, it would be stupid to let that go because we're too cheap to pony up another 300-500K per year.
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Post by: chum1 on April 05, 2011, 10:36:01 AM
who do you guys think bama will hire if grant goes to miami?
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Post by: pissclams on April 05, 2011, 10:39:40 AM
don't want to burst your bubble but there's really only two brands:  shitty team and non-shitty team.

1) good team and 2) everyone else
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Post by: pissclams on April 05, 2011, 10:41:46 AM
frank doesn't need a raise, jfc.  and the brand crap was funny too.  tons of dumbassery everywhere in this thread. 


I don't think we need to throw tons of money at him, but I think we're past the point of wondering if he'll keep kstate at a high level.
have you clicked on any of the recruiting threads lately?

i don't give 2 shits about recruiting, i just care about results. 
just a "heads up", the two are directly related.  dumbass_Cat

until I start to see shitty results, I DGAF, fake_clams
COACH 'EM UP FRANK!
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 10:42:22 AM
No we're not . . . and we don't need to throw any more money around.   For the amount of money that K-State basketball makes, and for what Frank has done to date.  He's compensated quite well . . . and note, I'm not saying we can't afford to pay him another $500K a year or even more, because we can.   But that puts Frank in the same arena as coaches who have done a hell of a lot a more than he has/coaches with great agents working for stupid schools who pay too much for what they get.

This is just part of the issue and challenge of college athletics right now though. I don't disagree with anything you said, but when other programs are overpaying (just look at Ford at OSU, Kruger at OU, and even Haith at MU) in our own conference, it forces your hand a bit. Especially when you have what has been talked about before, one of the top "brand" coaches in the league. Granted, it is still early and there is still risk involved, but the first 4 years and some sustained success have shown that its probably worth the risk.
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Post by: steve dave on April 05, 2011, 10:43:06 AM
That's really over-simplifying it.

As I mentioned above, you pay to keep a brand.  Kansas State isn't on ESPN all of the time, or Jim Rome all of the time, because we finish in the top four of the Big 12 every year.  We get that because of Frank Martin and the fact that he's good for a clip or a soundbyte.

Frank is one of those coaches that kind of transcends the game because of his persona.  We'll always have cameras on us because the cameras love him.  We'll always have articles written about us because he gives a great quote.  You can't put a price on that because that benefits the program AND the university.  It's free advertising.

Kansas State isn't relevant because of one Elite 8 run.  Kansas State is relevant because Frank is a good story.  Otherwise, we're Missouri, and no one gives a crap about Missouri (as you've clearly seen).

The branding issue is a major point in all this, and one that can't be overlooked. And its noticed, Telep wrote about it in November:

Quote
1. The scowl is the brand
The best basketball teams in America recruit to their brand. Teams who struggle to establish their brand often times wind up navigating the high seas of college basketball without a compass. Your brand or identity can be a style of play like Syracuse's zone or a mindset akin to Michigan State's toughness.
At Kansas State, the brand is the coach. Frank Martin sets the tone and is the face of the program. Each icy stare he shoots at a player isn't met with resistance but respect and the guys truly revere him on his team. Martin recruits guys with a chip on their shoulder and coaches them hard.

When you bring in guys who feel slighted like Jacob Pullen (not a top 100 player) and Will Spradling, they want to prove people wrong. Martin uses that motivation and by doing so he appeals to the next Pullen sitting in his living room watching Kansas State gang up on higher-rated prospects and teams. Martin is the brand and right now it's strong and appealing.

We have something that can't be replaced easily if you let it go. When Kruger left K-State still had a brand as a program. We've been through Huggins, Beasley, Walker, and Pullen in the last 5 years, but when you ask 95% (or more) of the public about K-State basketball, most will mention Frank Martin first. This is really an amazing thing, I think we are so close to it as fans we really don't realize how amazing it is, especially when a big part of the star power in college basketball is from the coaches, past and present. From Wooden to Knight to Coach K to Calhoun. Players come and go so often, the face of programs either becomes their tradition/success, their coach, or eventually both. All signs point to us having at least the beginning stages of that, it would be stupid to let that go because we're too cheap to pony up another 300-500K per year.

I agree
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 10:43:32 AM
don't want to burst your bubble but there's really only two brands:  cacty team and non-cacty team.

1) good team and 2) everyone else

More often than not, the brand of good teams becomes the coach. As long as K-State stays good, Martin is an exceptional brand.
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Post by: Emo EMAW on April 05, 2011, 10:44:18 AM
No we're not . . . and we don't need to throw any more money around.   For the amount of money that K-State basketball makes, and for what Frank has done to date.  He's compensated quite well . . . and note, I'm not saying we can't afford to pay him another $500K a year or even more, because we can.   But that puts Frank in the same arena as coaches who have done a hell of a lot a more than he has/coaches with great agents working for stupid schools who pay too much for what they get.

This is just part of the issue and challenge of college athletics right now though. I don't disagree with anything you said, but when other programs are overpaying (just look at Ford at OSU, Kruger at OU, and even Haith at MU) in our own conference, it forces your hand a bit. Especially when you have what has been talked about before, one of the top "brand" coaches in the league. Granted, it is still early and there is still risk involved, but the first 4 years and some sustained success have shown that its probably worth the risk.

Inflation.
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2011, 10:45:45 AM
don't want to burst your bubble but there's really only two brands:  shitty team and non-shitty team.

1) good team and 2) everyone else

I can't tell if you're being serious or not
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Inflation.

Paying Lon Kruger more than $2 Mil goes beyond inflation, especially when you compare the economics of college basketball to the real world.  But it is what it is, if you want to be good and stay good, you have to spend the money.
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2011, 10:52:42 AM
But it is what it is, if you want to be good and stay good, you have to spend the money.

We have a lot of football kstateos that are having a difficult time grasping this concept.
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Post by: EllToPay on April 05, 2011, 10:55:38 AM
Quote
j_rake Jeffrey Rake
K-State fans won't like Frank Martin's responses on the @TimBrando show.
20 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

jfc, rake. what the hell did he say?
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Post by: Emo EMAW on April 05, 2011, 10:56:00 AM
Inflation.

Paying Lon Kruger more than $2 Mil goes beyond inflation, especially when you compare the economics of college basketball to the real world.  But it is what it is, if you want to be good and stay good, you have to spend the money.

I didn't mean inflation in a macroeconomic sense (to include the US or the world economies), but a very specific inflation that seems to be occuring with college bball coaches (could probably extrapolate to football, too.)

I have no idea what margins look like, income breakdowns, etc etc, but if we are solidly profitable right now (making many millions of dollars each year) it'd be silly not to spend a little more to keep that, if that's what it took.  I'm with the camp that right now is not the time to be cheap.  
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 11:00:09 AM
But it is what it is, if you want to be good and stay good, you have to spend the money.

We have a lot of football kstateos that are having a difficult time grasping this concept.

Yes, we can take a chance by bringing Frank's pay up, probably close to $2 Mil per year.  

Or we stand firm with his current contract, take a risk that it may not be enough, and then see what we can get on the open market.

Its not hard to see which option seems more attractive (and overall less risk) to me.
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Post by: j rake on April 05, 2011, 11:02:01 AM
Quote
j_rake Jeffrey Rake
K-State fans won't like Frank Martin's responses on the @TimBrando show.
20 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

jfc, rake. what the hell did he say?

NEVER SAY NEVER
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 05, 2011, 11:02:53 AM
Quote
j_rake Jeffrey Rake
K-State fans won't like Frank Martin's responses on the @TimBrando show.
20 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

jfc, rake. what the hell did he say?

NEVER SAY NEVER

that's it?
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 11:03:59 AM
Quote
j_rake Jeffrey Rake
K-State fans won't like Frank Martin's responses on the @TimBrando show.
20 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

jfc, rake. what the hell did he say?

NEVER SAY NEVER

Good.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 05, 2011, 11:07:38 AM
Okay . . . I guess if it means assuring at least staying interesting in hoops one way or or another, give Frank a big fat raise and join the 3rd choice and that's taking a risk.  

I supposse if it takes $1.8 or $2 million a year to finish 3rd thru 5th  in the conference (because with Frank's recruiting that's the best it's ever going to be and I'm okay with that for the most part) and making the NCAA tourney most of the time . . . then so be it.

But while I'm all about spending big money when it's merited,  I am against spending stupid money . . . and paying Lon Kruger $2.2 million a year is stupid, and paying Frank $1.8 to $2 million a year is fringe stupid at this juncture and IMO.

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Post by: EllToPay on April 05, 2011, 11:10:17 AM
Quote
j_rake Jeffrey Rake
Frank Martin: "I'm at K-State right now because I haven't had opportunities to make more money elsewhere." #outofcontext
9 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

:frown:
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Post by: 0.42 on April 05, 2011, 11:11:51 AM
Quote
j_rake Jeffrey Rake
Frank Martin: "I'm at K-State right now because I haven't had opportunities to make more money elsewhere." #outofcontext
9 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

:frown:


K-State Basketball. We'll be Ready.
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Post by: chum1 on April 05, 2011, 11:15:51 AM
so much for serious discussion about bama. 

so, who do you guys think is the biggest homer:  mir or manhatter?
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 05, 2011, 11:17:42 AM
Quote
j_rake Jeffrey Rake
Frank Martin: "I'm at K-State right now because I haven't had opportunities to make more money elsewhere." #outofcontext
9 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

:frown:


Quote
ejwestksu Eric Westerman

@j_rake Actually, that's the exact opposite of what Martin said. He's at K-State despite having opportunities for raises elsewhere.

heh
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Post by: sys on April 05, 2011, 11:18:19 AM
Quote
j_rake Jeffrey Rake
K-State fans won't like Frank Martin's responses on the @TimBrando show.
20 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

jfc, rake. what the hell did he say?

NEVER SAY NEVER

mellinger - "watch out kstate fans, because in tomorrow's blog i outline why the timing is PERFECT for martin to leave."
mellinger tomorrow - "pullen and kelly are seniors, they won't be back."
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 11:18:57 AM
Okay . . . I guess if it means assuring at least staying interesting in hoops one way or or another, give Frank a big fat raise and join the 3rd choice and that's taking a risk.  

I supposse if it takes $1.8 or $2 million a year to finish 3rd thru 5th  in the conference (because with Frank's recruiting that's the best it's ever going to be and I'm okay with that for the most part) and making the NCAA tourney most of the time . . . then so be it.

But while I'm all about spending big money when it's merited,  I am against spending stupid money . . . and paying Lon Kruger $2.2 million a year is stupid, and paying Frank $1.8 to $2 million a year is fringe stupid at this juncture and IMO.



Fair enough.

If we did give him more money, I'd advocate keeping the same salary structure and increase the buyouts. Yesterday I said 200K, but I'd probably go 400K to 500K now.

$1.7 million in 2011-12, $1.8 million in 2012-13, $1.9 million in 2013-14 and $2.0 million in 2014-15.  Then increase the buyout to $2.5 million this year, $2.0 million next, and so forth. Maybe up the incentives slightly, but not a lot, just bring up the guaranteed money.
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Post by: sys on April 05, 2011, 11:19:16 AM
so much for serious discussion about bama.

grant won't leave, chum1.
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Post by: sys on April 05, 2011, 11:25:38 AM
what makes it "good"?  in comparison with what?

cu, nu, baylor, tt, ou, isu - definitely
osu, mu - possibly


kstate is better than tech, nu & cu.  not better than any of the others mentioned.
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 11:26:04 AM
Meek transcribes Brando/Martin: http://cjonline.com/blog-post/austin-meek/2011-04-05/martin-addresses-coaching-carousel
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Post by: EllToPay on April 05, 2011, 11:26:31 AM
meek has the tim brando interview transcript. rake, eff you.

http://cjonline.com/blog-post/austin-meek/2011-04-05/martin-addresses-coaching-carousel
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Post by: Stupid Fitz on April 05, 2011, 11:27:39 AM
 :runaway:
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 05, 2011, 11:30:49 AM
Quote
j_rake Jeffrey Rake
K-State fans won't like Frank Martin's responses on the @TimBrando show.
20 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

jfc, rake. what the hell did he say?

NEVER SAY NEVER

mellinger - "watch out kstate fans, because in tomorrow's blog i outline why the timing is PERFECT for martin to leave."
mellinger tomorrow - "pullen and kelly are seniors, they won't be back."

Mellinger is trying the "pure volume of words" approach that JOPO used to get a huge raise.  Churn out 10's of thousands of words daily and hope to catch some attention.  It is failing pretty badly right now, but couldn't hurt considering McClatchey has to be losing their ass and the Star is now roughly the size of the Pitch...the Sunday edition.
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Post by: deputy dawg on April 05, 2011, 11:35:30 AM
Until he proves he can sustain success, recruit at a high level, make the NCAA tourney and finish in the upper half of the conference in the post Pullen/Clemente era he's not worth a huge pay raise.


The problem I have with that example is that this is the second time we've heard that....except before, it was "let's see how he does after Beasley/Walker."

I don't think we need to throw tons of money at him, but I think we're past the point of wondering if he'll keep kstate at a high level.

No we're not . . . and we don't need to throw any more money around.   For the amount of money that K-State basketball makes, and for what Frank has done to date.  He's compensated quite well . . . and note, I'm not saying we can't afford to pay him another $500K a year or even more, because we can.   But that puts Frank in the same arena as coaches who have done a hell of a lot a more than he has/coaches with great agents working for stupid schools who pay too much for what they get.

Pay raise would not as much be about the value of Frank, but insurance against this.
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Post by: j rake on April 05, 2011, 11:35:56 AM
meek has the tim brando interview transcript. rake, eff you.

http://cjonline.com/blog-post/austin-meek/2011-04-05/martin-addresses-coaching-carousel

It's a good thing, too.

The way I heard it, Frank said he was collecting welfare checks 10 years ago.  :lol:
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 05, 2011, 11:37:40 AM
can someone who doesn't think/want martin to be paid a little more explain why? because personally, i could care less if frank makes 4 million. actually i'd love for him to make four million. i'd love for everyone in the world to make four million. why should i care if he makes more money? i don't. pay him whatever it takes to keep him and then get rid of him if he starts sucking. not that hard. the amount of money that he makes, especially when we're talking about a few hundred thousand a year, does not affect me whatsoever. i am affected if he leaves.
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Post by: Cire on April 05, 2011, 11:38:04 AM
nice of Frank to pitch manhattan to our next coach.
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Post by: steve dave on April 05, 2011, 11:42:48 AM
rumblings Indiana has told Stevens' agent that they may fire Crean after next season and to hold out on any jobs he may be offered  :surprised:
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Post by: j rake on April 05, 2011, 11:51:11 AM
The good news is that Miami is probably too cheap to fly a plane to even visit with Frank.
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Post by: TheMadCatter on April 05, 2011, 11:55:31 AM
NC State related:

Quote
Dear Wolfpack Family,

I am writing to share with you the status of the search for our new head coach for men's basketball. There have been telephone conversations with successful coaches that did not develop into meetings -- sometimes because we did not wish to pursue those coaches further and sometimes because the coach involved is happy where he is.

The conversations have been candid. We have not tried to sugarcoat the challenge of rebuilding our basketball program. Our absence for 5 consecutive years from the NCAA Tournament was noted by each coach as evidence that the program is in poor shape and will require a special effort to rebuild.

Finding a coach with the fight and fire to do this job has been a challenge. That said, we will find an excellent college coach who shares the vision of what State Basketball can become and is up for the challenge.

I realize there are multiple rumors surfacing about the nature of the search on websites and in newspapers. Once our new coach is hired, I will be in a position to bring perspective to a number of those rumors. But, right now, we need to remain focused on finding a talented collegiate coach who is a fighter, full of confidence and appreciation for the opportunity to lead our basketball program back to national prominence.

That will happen in spite of those who believe this cannot occur.

Wolfpack Basketball is destined for a revival. We will accept no less. Please keep the faith while we continue the search. Your emails and text messages of support have meant everything to me. I am blessed to be your AD.

In the Spirit of the Pack,

Debbie

She just sounds awful at her job
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Post by: Panjandrum on April 05, 2011, 11:55:51 AM
rumblings Indiana has told Stevens' agent that they may fire Crean after next season and to hold out on any jobs he may be offered  :surprised:

Brad Stevens will coach there at some point.  It's simply a question of when.
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Post by: Panjandrum on April 05, 2011, 11:58:55 AM
That's really over-simplifying it.

As I mentioned above, you pay to keep a brand.  Kansas State isn't on ESPN all of the time, or Jim Rome all of the time, because we finish in the top four of the Big 12 every year.  We get that because of Frank Martin and the fact that he's good for a clip or a soundbyte.

Frank is one of those coaches that kind of transcends the game because of his persona.  We'll always have cameras on us because the cameras love him.  We'll always have articles written about us because he gives a great quote.  You can't put a price on that because that benefits the program AND the university.  It's free advertising.

Kansas State isn't relevant because of one Elite 8 run.  Kansas State is relevant because Frank is a good story.  Otherwise, we're Missouri, and no one gives a crap about Missouri (as you've clearly seen).

The branding issue is a major point in all this, and one that can't be overlooked. And its noticed, Telep wrote about it in November:

Quote
1. The scowl is the brand
The best basketball teams in America recruit to their brand. Teams who struggle to establish their brand often times wind up navigating the high seas of college basketball without a compass. Your brand or identity can be a style of play like Syracuse's zone or a mindset akin to Michigan State's toughness.
At Kansas State, the brand is the coach. Frank Martin sets the tone and is the face of the program. Each icy stare he shoots at a player isn't met with resistance but respect and the guys truly revere him on his team. Martin recruits guys with a chip on their shoulder and coaches them hard.

When you bring in guys who feel slighted like Jacob Pullen (not a top 100 player) and Will Spradling, they want to prove people wrong. Martin uses that motivation and by doing so he appeals to the next Pullen sitting in his living room watching Kansas State gang up on higher-rated prospects and teams. Martin is the brand and right now it's strong and appealing.

We have something that can't be replaced easily if you let it go. When Kruger left K-State still had a brand as a program. We've been through Huggins, Beasley, Walker, and Pullen in the last 5 years, but when you ask 95% (or more) of the public about K-State basketball, most will mention Frank Martin first. This is really an amazing thing, I think we are so close to it as fans we really don't realize how amazing it is, especially when a big part of the star power in college basketball is from the coaches, past and present. From Wooden to Knight to Coach K to Calhoun. Players come and go so often, the face of programs either becomes their tradition/success, their coach, or eventually both. All signs point to us having at least the beginning stages of that, it would be stupid to let that go because we're too cheap to pony up another 300-500K per year.

I agree

The best kind of validation is _FAN validation with a sd cherry on top.

 :woot:
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Post by: CNS on April 05, 2011, 11:59:21 AM
rumblings Indiana has told Stevens' agent that they may fire Crean after next season and to hold out on any jobs he may be offered  :surprised:

Brad Stevens will coach there at some point.  It's simply a question of when.

Makes me sad.  I mean, there are much better jobs out there for the poor little guy.  Indiana has been below average or worse for longer than current recruits have been alive.

Would be amazing to see him replace Calhoun.  
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 05, 2011, 12:00:18 PM
NC State related:

Quote
Dear Wolfpack Family,

I am writing to share with you the status of the search for our new head coach for men's basketball. There have been telephone conversations with successful coaches that did not develop into meetings -- sometimes because we did not wish to pursue those coaches further and sometimes because the coach involved is happy where he is.

The conversations have been candid. We have not tried to sugarcoat the challenge of rebuilding our basketball program. Our absence for 5 consecutive years from the NCAA Tournament was noted by each coach as evidence that the program is in poor shape and will require a special effort to rebuild.

Finding a coach with the fight and fire to do this job has been a challenge. That said, we will find an excellent college coach who shares the vision of what State Basketball can become and is up for the challenge.

I realize there are multiple rumors surfacing about the nature of the search on websites and in newspapers. Once our new coach is hired, I will be in a position to bring perspective to a number of those rumors. But, right now, we need to remain focused on finding a talented collegiate coach who is a fighter, full of confidence and appreciation for the opportunity to lead our basketball program back to national prominence.

That will happen in spite of those who believe this cannot occur.

Wolfpack Basketball is destined for a revival. We will accept no less. Please keep the faith while we continue the search. Your emails and text messages of support have meant everything to me. I am blessed to be your AD.

In the Spirit of the Pack,

Debbie

She just sounds awful at her job

She sent out a release/letter defending her rep :facepalm: instantly makes it worse.  She needs to have at least one person around her willing to tell her no.
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Post by: Panjandrum on April 05, 2011, 12:02:28 PM
Meek transcribes Brando/Martin: http://cjonline.com/blog-post/austin-meek/2011-04-05/martin-addresses-coaching-carousel

I viewed this as a positive take, especially by someone as candid as Frank is.
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Post by: Panjandrum on April 05, 2011, 12:04:01 PM
rumblings Indiana has told Stevens' agent that they may fire Crean after next season and to hold out on any jobs he may be offered  :surprised:

Brad Stevens will coach there at some point.  It's simply a question of when.

Makes me sad.  I mean, there are much better jobs out there for the poor little guy.  Indiana hasn't been below average or worse for longer than current recruits have been alive.

Would be amazing to see him replace Calhoun.  

Indiana is a good job.  They just made a couple of bad hires.  It's still a blue blood.  A dormant blue blood, but it is one nonetheless.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: kso_FAN on April 05, 2011, 12:08:28 PM
rumblings Indiana has told Stevens' agent that they may fire Crean after next season and to hold out on any jobs he may be offered  :surprised:

Brad Stevens will coach there at some point.  It's simply a question of when.

Makes me sad.  I mean, there are much better jobs out there for the poor little guy.  Indiana hasn't been below average or worse for longer than current recruits have been alive.

Would be amazing to see him replace Calhoun. 

Indiana is a good job.  They just made a couple of bad hires.  It's still a blue blood.  A dormant blue blood, but it is one nonetheless.

Yeah, Sampson is to Indiana as Sutton was to Kentucky in some ways. Don't know if Crean = Pitino though.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: AbeFroman on April 05, 2011, 12:10:09 PM
Why is Crean getting crap on at Indiana already? I figured their fans were more rational than that. Crean is a fantastic coach, would take.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: sys on April 05, 2011, 12:11:21 PM
btw, lol @ mu hiring a coach with ties/experience recruiting in texas, new york and florida.  couldn't have chosen anyone more eff kstatey.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: j rake on April 05, 2011, 12:12:18 PM
Why is Crean getting crap on at Indiana already? I figured their fans were more rational than that. Crean is a fantastic coach, would take.

indiana fans are supportive of crean. the smart ones, anyway.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 05, 2011, 12:12:49 PM
The good news is that Miami is probably too cheap to fly a plane to even visit with Frank.


we have directs to DFW or ORD so they would only have to make one stop.
Title: Re: Coaching Carousel Master Thread (NOW FEATURING THE KSU CATS!)
Post by: steve dave on April 05, 2011, 12:13:34 PM
Why is Crean getting crap on at Indiana already? I figured their fans were more rational than that. Crean is a fantastic coach, would take.

Crean looks like someone who constantly gets the books knocked out of