Nick & Rod

[CHONGS]

I think the biggest question for me is if Gipson can make a decent impact or not. We obviously need a decent option outside of Samuels and DOB, and I'm fairly positive it won't be Diaz (or Judge if he comes back).

J H R

[Panjandrum]

I think the biggest question for me is if Gipson can make a decent impact or not. We obviously need a decent option outside of Samuels and DOB, and I'm fairly positive it won't be Diaz (or Judge if he comes back).

At a minimum, he will make an impact in minutes.  He's going to get them because he's physically ready to compete right now.

If we could get 6/4 out of him in 15-20 minutes a game, I'll do cartwheels.

[Panjandrum]

I think the biggest question for me is if Gipson can make a decent impact or not. We obviously need a decent option outside of Samuels and DOB, and I'm fairly positive it won't be Diaz (or Judge if he comes back).

J H R

If he continues to improve, we're going to be a much, much better basketball team for it.

His offensive prowess at the end of the season on some of his moves was next level quality.

Regardless, he's going to get his minutes.

[CNS]

I think the biggest question for me is if Gipson can make a decent impact or not. We obviously need a decent option outside of Samuels and DOB, and I'm fairly positive it won't be Diaz (or Judge if he comes back).

At a minimum, he will make an impact in minutes.  He's going to get them because he's physically ready to compete right now.

If we could get 6/4 out of him in 15-20 minutes a game, I'll do cartwheels.

How are Gip's handles?  Anyone know?  I assume we keep the same offense to at least start next year since it seems our line up will favor us playing somewhat small more often than not.  does he have any game from free throw line?  Any dribble/drive or jumper from ft line?

[catzacker]

Looks like a team full of complementary players.

Agreed, but I think Will, Jamar, or even Nick could step up. Will and Jamar obviously won't be as good as CK and Pullen, but they can be "fine".

McGruds?

i'm interested to see how McGruds gets used and defended next year.  is he like a shorter cartier martin?

[CNS]

Looks like a team full of complementary players.

Agreed, but I think Will, Jamar, or even Nick could step up. Will and Jamar obviously won't be as good as CK and Pullen, but they can be "fine".

McGruds?
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i'm interested to see how McGruds gets used and defended next year.  is he like a shorter cartier martin?

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[Stevesie60]

I think the biggest question for me is if Gipson can make a decent impact or not. We obviously need a decent option outside of Samuels and DOB, and I'm fairly positive it won't be Diaz (or Judge if he comes back).

J H R

 

DOB is JHR.

[CHONGS]

I think the biggest question for me is if Gipson can make a decent impact or not. We obviously need a decent option outside of Samuels and DOB, and I'm fairly positive it won't be Diaz (or Judge if he comes back).

J H R

 

DOB is JHR.

Right you are!  Sorry I read that as DOC.  carry on!

[Panjandrum]

I think the biggest question for me is if Gipson can make a decent impact or not. We obviously need a decent option outside of Samuels and DOB, and I'm fairly positive it won't be Diaz (or Judge if he comes back).

At a minimum, he will make an impact in minutes.  He's going to get them because he's physically ready to compete right now.

If we could get 6/4 out of him in 15-20 minutes a game, I'll do cartwheels.

How are Gip's handles?  Anyone know?  I assume we keep the same offense to at least start next year since it seems our line up will favor us playing somewhat small more often than not.  does he have any game from free throw line?  Any dribble/drive from ft line?

From what I've seen, he's pretty much a banger.  In all of his highlights, he's pretty much posted up on the blocks.  He dominated because he's a lot stronger than a lot of guys at his level.  But he does seem to have a nice back to the basket game.  But he's not going to do some really sweet looking spin move into the lane or hit a twelve foot fade away like CK.

Love Gipson though because he's a big, physical banger that's big enough that he can be effective and get boards and score down low, but you don't have to worry about him going pro because he's a tweener in height.  He'll end up being like Marshall Moses in that regard*.

* Not saying he'll end up as good as Moses, but I think he will be pretty damn good in the latter part of his career.

[kso_FAN]

i'm interested to see how McGruds gets used and defended next year.  is he like a shorter cartier martin?

It appears more and more like this is a pretty accurate comparison. I thought McGruds would develop into a better penetrator, but I'm not sure that's the case.

[CNS]

I think the biggest question for me is if Gipson can make a decent impact or not. We obviously need a decent option outside of Samuels and DOB, and I'm fairly positive it won't be Diaz (or Judge if he comes back).

At a minimum, he will make an impact in minutes.  He's going to get them because he's physically ready to compete right now.

If we could get 6/4 out of him in 15-20 minutes a game, I'll do cartwheels.

How are Gip's handles?  Anyone know?  I assume we keep the same offense to at least start next year since it seems our line up will favor us playing somewhat small more often than not.  does he have any game from free throw line?  Any dribble/drive from ft line?

From what I've seen, he's pretty much a banger.  In all of his highlights, he's pretty much posted up on the blocks.  He dominated because he's a lot stronger than a lot of guys at his level.  But he does seem to have a nice back to the basket game.  But he's not going to do some really sweet looking spin move into the lane or hit a twelve foot fade away like CK.

Love Gipson though because he's a big, physical banger that's big enough that he can be effective and get boards and score down low, but you don't have to worry about him going pro because he's a tweener in height.  He'll end up being like Marshall Moses in that regard*.

* Not saying he'll end up as good as Moses, but I think he will be pretty damn good in the latter part of his career.

Will be interesting to see how Frank integrates this into our O.  A banger who is going to be several inches shorter than those he is banging against with guards that struggle to feed the post.  

Still think that our best option would be to stick to the current O, but that won't work well with a kid that isn't a threat from 15' out.  Curt and JHR's abilities from that distance is one thing that made that O work.  

Seems like we have a bunch of pieces that don't fully fit together next year.  Hope I am wrong.  

I guess an overachieving Angel can make all this irrelevant.  

Would love some other HBBIQ thoughts.

[michigancat]

I think mcgruder = a shorter cartier martin is a good comparison. Cartier was never much of a creator. I also think Diaz can make at least as much of an impact as gipson. (although their styles will not be.)

[CNS]

I think mcgruder = a shorter cartier martin is a good comparison. Cartier was never much of a creator. I also think Diaz can make at least as much of an impact as gipson. (although their styles will not be.)

Is my memory bad, or was Cartier MUCH more of a pure shooter than Rodney?  Maybe I am completely misinterpreting Rodney's game, but other than the lack of self creation and occasional 3's, I just don't see it.

[jtksu]

I thought Rod had a pretty damn good season, especially considering this was the first year he saw much playing time.  Doubt he will ever be the #1 option on offense but I am excited to see him play the next 2 seasons.

[j-dub]

Cartier was a better pure shooter. No doubt. Better from 3, from the line, but nowhere near the rebounder that Rod is. And up until Huggy got a hold of him, nowhere near the defender that Rod is.. He was a much more complete player his senior year than he was under Wooly.

[EMAWzified]

Diaz might fit in well with the offense. Appears he's a face up guy, but he's also appears to be a gamer with a game-winning 3 in the state playoffs. Kelly was running off a JHO screen at times last night. Can't really say anything about him or Gipson without film, much less seeing them. Obviously, both will have to master Frank's defensive requirements and rebound to log minutes.

Also, really curious how Nino and Omari fit in at 2 and 3.

It'll be an interesting year.

[catzacker]

I think mcgruder = a shorter cartier martin is a good comparison. Cartier was never much of a creator. I also think Diaz can make at least as much of an impact as gipson. (although their styles will not be.)

seems like we have some good/decent pieces just, ya know, no point guard.  i'm hopeful that rodney can develop something off the bounce.

[CNS]

Diaz might fit in well with the offense. Appears he's a face up guy, but he's also appears to be a gamer with a game-winning 3 in the state playoffs. Kelly was running off a JHO screen at times last night. Can't really say anything about him or Gipson without film, much less seeing them. Obviously, both will have to master Frank's defensive requirements and rebound to log minutes.

Also, really curious how Nino and Omari fit in at 2 and 3.

It'll be an interesting year.

With Nino and Rodney, you gotta think that we will lean Omari toward the 2?

[michigancat]

I think mcgruder = a shorter cartier martin is a good comparison. Cartier was never much of a creator. I also think Diaz can make at least as much of an impact as gipson. (although their styles will not be.)

seems like we have some good/decent pieces just, ya know, no point guard.  i'm hopeful that rodney can develop something off the bounce.

Doc should be fine.

[Fuktard]

Surprised no one is mentioning Nick at the point.  With his passing prowess and decision making he would seem to be a perfect fit.  Sorry, still stinging from last night, and nearly every game he played in and made some stupid, half assed pass/play.  Forgive me.

[j-dub]

Surprised no one is mentioning Nick at the point.  With his passing prowess and decision making he would seem to be a perfect fit.  Sorry, still stinging from last night, and nearly every game he played in and made some stupid, half assed pass/play.  Forgive me.

No need. If I wasn't so apathetic about Nick I would be damning him to the 7th layer of hell.
He just sucks man. It's not his fault. He just doesn't have it in him. Obviously, the all the scouts just whiffed this time.

[Dirty Deeds]

Surprised no one is mentioning Nick at the point.  With his passing prowess and decision making he would seem to be a perfect fit.  Sorry, still stinging from last night, and nearly every game he played in and made some stupid, half assed pass/play.  Forgive me.

Actually wanted him back until last night. 

No need. If I wasn't so apathetic about Nick I would be damning him to the 7th layer of hell.
He just sucks man. It's not his fault. He just doesn't have it in him. Obviously, the all the scouts just whiffed this time.

[kso_FAN]

Cartier was a better pure shooter. No doubt. Better from 3, from the line, but nowhere near the rebounder that Rod is. And up until Huggy got a hold of him, nowhere near the defender that Rod is.. He was a much more complete player his senior year than he was under Wooly.

McGruds shot 41.9% from 3 as a FR, 40.8% this year. This year on 169 attempts. 71% and 72% from the FT line. Martin was 34.7% and 42.3% from 3 his first two years, 62% and 68.6% FTs. Really hard to say Martin is a better "pure shooter" at this point. JMHO.

[j-dub]

Cartier was a better pure shooter. No doubt. Better from 3, from the line, but nowhere near the rebounder that Rod is. And up until Huggy got a hold of him, nowhere near the defender that Rod is.. He was a much more complete player his senior year than he was under Wooly.

McGruds shot 41.9% from 3 as a FR, 40.8% this year. This year on 169 attempts. 71% and 72% from the FT line. Martin was 34.7% and 42.3% from 3 his first two years, 62% and 68.6% FTs. Really hard to say Martin is a better "pure shooter" at this point. JMHO.

I should add that I'm biased toward guys who shoot with a generous amount of arc.. Cartier had really good arc on his shot, whereas Rod has some line drive. But Rod does have a quicker release. That was always the weakspot in Cartier's shooting stroke.

[CatsFan_58]

I think mcgruder = a shorter cartier martin is a good comparison. Cartier was never much of a creator. I also think Diaz can make at least as much of an impact as gipson. (although their styles will not be.)

you are right on the Mcgruder and Martin comparo. Cartier never really drove, he was more spot up. Mcgruder, while not as good of a shooter, has a little more athleticism and defensive ability.