Author Topic: How does KU have so few national championships? (Read 10691 times)

Pete · « **on:** March 12, 2011, 10:31:52 PM »

ESPN just did a segment about how Kansas owns the Big 12 in basketball, with all of their real and shared conference championships. Yet, they have so few national championships relative to other schools with as many conference championships in the major conferences.

Is it because the rest of us in this conference are so bad? I mean, Bob Knight has as many national championships as KU, and Roy Williams is personally tied with KU since the Eisenhower administration, and up until 2008 KU was tied with San Fransisco.

Are we all failing KU? Maybe KU should leave this conference so they can get better prepared and not fail so much in the NCAA tournament? Ideas?

pike · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2011, 10:33:18 PM »

With they amount of talent they have had the last 15 years or so they should have 15 titles, but they don't which is quite sad, really

Bob Strawn · « **Reply #2 on:** March 12, 2011, 10:33:27 PM »

Quote from: Pete on March 12, 2011, 10:31:52 PM

ESPN just did a segment about how Kansas owns the Big 12 in basketball, with all of their real and shared conference championships. Yet, they have so few national championships relative to other schools with as many conference championships in the major conferences.

Is it because the rest of us in this conference are so bad? I mean, Bob Knight has as many national championships as KU, and Roy Williams is personally tied with KU since the Eisenhower administration, and up until 2008 KU was tied with San Fransisco.

Are we all failing KU? Maybe KU should leave this conference so they can get better prepared and not fail so much in the NCAA tournament? Ideas?

5>0

Pete · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2011, 10:39:05 PM »

Quote from: Sam O. on March 12, 2011, 10:33:27 PM

Quote from: Pete on March 12, 2011, 10:31:52 PM
ESPN just did a segment about how Kansas owns the Big 12 in basketball, with all of their real and shared conference championships. Yet, they have so few national championships relative to other schools with as many conference championships in the major conferences.

Is it because the rest of us in this conference are so bad? I mean, Bob Knight has as many national championships as KU, and Roy Williams is personally tied with KU since the Eisenhower administration, and up until 2008 KU was tied with San Fransisco.

Are we all failing KU? Maybe KU should leave this conference so they can get better prepared and not fail so much in the NCAA tournament? Ideas?

5>0

What does the five represent?

pike · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2011, 10:44:09 PM »

Quote from: Pete on March 12, 2011, 10:39:05 PM

Quote from: Sam O. on March 12, 2011, 10:33:27 PM
Quote from: Pete on March 12, 2011, 10:31:52 PM
ESPN just did a segment about how Kansas owns the Big 12 in basketball, with all of their real and shared conference championships. Yet, they have so few national championships relative to other schools with as many conference championships in the major conferences.

Is it because the rest of us in this conference are so bad? I mean, Bob Knight has as many national championships as KU, and Roy Williams is personally tied with KU since the Eisenhower administration, and up until 2008 KU was tied with San Fransisco.

Are we all failing KU? Maybe KU should leave this conference so they can get better prepared and not fail so much in the NCAA tournament? Ideas?

5>0

What does the five represent?

Number of players on the floor per team?

PowercatPat · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2011, 10:59:18 PM »

It's so laughable that KU counts their helms titles as national championships.

ben_dover919 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2011, 11:37:51 PM »

i would have loved to be in lawrence 20 years after the last game was played when they announced the helms national championships..i mean the celebration had to be out of this world!!! it will be like when colorado is given the 2031 big 12 championship for beating the best team in the conference 3 times!!!

OregonSmock · « **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2011, 12:09:26 AM »

KU is top five in NCAA tournament wins, Final Fours, and NCAA championships. They're 2nd all-time in wins and 1st in conference championships.

theKSU · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2011, 12:21:00 AM »

Quote from: OregonHawk on March 13, 2011, 12:09:26 AM

KU is top five in NCAA tournament wins, Final Fours, and NCAA championships. They're 2nd all-time in wins and 1st in conference championships.

Top 5 != 1st or 2nd, which is the point of this thread.

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2011, 12:34:38 AM »

Can't post this link enough: http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/2908

Also love the Bob Knight comparo.

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2011, 07:36:50 AM »

ku, while a fine program with a proud history does indeed underperform the majority of the time which begs this question. I have the answer to this mystery. First we must acknowledge that their program has been very good and I will not in anyway argue that point. Next ku fans must realize that for the last 25 years there has been little resistence from our conference. The north has never been competitive and represents 2/3 of ku's conf. schedule ( hard to lose a title when you start out 10-0 or 9-1 every year before you play the south) Texas, ou, and osu have put together some squads, and to be honest isu, mizzou, and ksu of very recent history have competed at times. So what we have here is a team that rarely challenges itself in the non-con, wins conf titles, everybody thinks they are as good as their untested record, and then they perform like a 33-2 mid-major every year in march. It really is this simple. One byproduct of this decieving annual dance is that it helps recruiting constantly being ranked high, but they still eff it up

WavetheWheat · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2011, 08:12:32 AM »

Sad to see the goEMAW.com transition to Tigerboard is complete.

Pete you have a lot to live up to to take down FijiTiger. Good luck.

kstater · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2011, 08:17:47 AM »

It goes to show how much of a random crapshoot the NCAA tournament is. Really need to go to double elimination to get a true champion.

unleashthemob · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2011, 08:56:31 AM »

One reason is....they don't have big 12 officiating to coddle them once they get to the dance.

Dirty Deeds · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2011, 08:59:07 AM »

Take away the fake titles and the ones they couldn't defend due to cheating. How many does that leave them with? Pathetic for such a "storied" program.

WavetheWheat · « **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2011, 09:28:30 AM »

Quote from: Dirty Deeds on March 13, 2011, 08:59:07 AM

Take away the fake titles and the ones the couldn't defend due to cheating. How many does that leave them with? Pathetic for such a "storied" program.

Fantastic TB parody. You are only missing one thing.

"Kansas Sucks! nm."

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2011, 09:50:13 AM »

Careful Pete, you're over your bag limit.

Dirty Deeds · « **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2011, 10:35:51 AM »

Quote from: WavetheWheat on March 13, 2011, 09:28:30 AM

Quote from: Dirty Deeds on March 13, 2011, 08:59:07 AM
Take away the fake titles and the ones the couldn't defend due to cheating. How many does that leave them with? Pathetic for such a "storied" program.

Fantastic TB parody. You are only missing one thing.

"Kansas Sucks! nm."

Don't ever let the truth get in your way.

samwise · « **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2011, 11:29:40 AM »

Last year was a huge disappointment for me, obviously. It is tough to win six games in a row against good competition but the second round losses really sting. Overall our success in the tournament isn't bad, though. 85-38 tournament record, 13 final fours, and three national championships. If we play the entire tournament like we did against Texas last night we will have another final four appearance. Big if, though.

Cire · « **Reply #19 on:** March 13, 2011, 11:36:59 AM »

Surprised to see wtw so butthurt over this. Interesting.

WavetheWheat · « **Reply #20 on:** March 13, 2011, 11:49:13 AM »

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #21 on:** March 13, 2011, 11:57:56 AM »

If you are really worthy of a 1 or 2 seed, your first three games should be layups, automatic elite 8 and then find out what you are made of in the last 3. In my opinion with few exceptions 1-2 seeds that don't make the elite 8 are frauds, and if the shoe fits

deputy dawg · « **Reply #22 on:** March 13, 2011, 12:06:46 PM »

Quote from: PowercatPat on March 12, 2011, 10:59:18 PM

It's so laughable that KU counts their helms titles as national championships.

I think it's adorable, on par with your 25 year old nephew recounting winning his school's 3rd grade spelling bee.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #23 on:** March 13, 2011, 12:39:58 PM »

Obviously Helms didn't live long enough. According to Helms, Yale has won 11 NC's in football, suck it Nebraska.

SevenInARow · « **Reply #24 on:** March 13, 2011, 01:05:30 PM »

Quote from: deputy dawg on March 13, 2011, 12:06:46 PM

Quote from: PowercatPat on March 12, 2011, 10:59:18 PM
It's so laughable that KU counts their helms titles as national championships.
I think it's adorable, on par with your 25 year old nephew recounting winning his school's 3rd grade spelling bee.

It's so adorable that North Carolina does it too.

I will say that the lack of elite competition within the Big XII hurts KU. What can we do though? We found out over the summer that we're stuck with you losers and there's nothing we can do about it. Sucks. I guess we'll just have to stick with making a final four only a couple times a decade and dominating the conference every single year.