Author Topic: Jake shows up for the big boys of B12 while Marcus hides... (Read 12476 times)

The Manhatter · « **on:** March 02, 2011, 11:34:04 PM »

Marcus Morris is avg 13ppg and 6 rpg vs. top 4 of the Big 12.

Jake? Only 25ppg and 45% from 3.

No need to even discuss which one of these players is ballz out on defense. Marcus will give you the occasional weakside blocked shot and then stare...though JO is still laughing as he backed him up to the hoop and made a practice type lay up.

Hmmm...POY? He looked scared tonight vs. aTm's bigs.

mcmwcat · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2011, 11:35:06 PM »

interesting

fatty fat fat · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:22:08 AM »

thanks for the stats "manhatter"

are you new around here? I'd like to be best friends with you, if you didn't mind.

The Manhatter · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:49:19 AM »

no need to worry trip F, we will always be bff. you fought the jordy-type battles w/ me going way back to hornfans (pre-blacklist days).

btw...more on Morris-Pullen #'s. It is truly amazing how much Marcus hides when he's guarded by the big boys.

Marcus played against 2, 3, & 4 while Pullen played against 1, 2, & 3 (sticking w/ the top 4 because nobody else has enough of everything to be a factor).

3 of the 4 games for Marcus were in the cozy confines of home @ Allen while our little Jake stuck out his chest and challenged the fierce opposition in 3 of 4 constests on the road.

Comparing both of their averages vs. their overall conference stats (forget non-con...don't really care what Marcus did to cacty Longwood, etc)

Marcus

FG % vs. all big 12 - .618 (102-165)
FG % vs. top 4 - .463 (19-41)

Jake
FG % vs. all big 12 - .420
FG % vs. top 4 - .417

Jake only drops .3% while Marcus is embarrasing dropping over 15%!!!

3FG% (yes, realize bigs don't shoot many 3's but Marcus especially doesn't against top 4, even though KU fans WOWED by Marcus range)

Marcus
3FG % vs. all Big 12 - 30% (9-30)
3FG % vs. top 4 - 0% (0-5)

Jake
3FG % vs all Big 12 - .398
3FG % vs top 4 - .448

Once again, Marcus is an embarrassment to KU fans vs. heavy competition. Nada on the range vs real teams while lil Jakey up 5 full percentage points!

Rebounding?

Marcus crashes into Buffs and Cyclones w/ fury like no other and gets 7.4 RPG but when it's time to put on big boy shoes he's down to 6 RPG. The sight of a Jordan Henriquez-Roberts type warming up on the other end has him heading for the locker room!

PPG?

Marcus

vs all big 12 - 18.6ppg
vs top 4 - 13ppg

Jakey
vs all big 12 - 21.7 ppg
vs top 4 - 25 ppg

Again, Marcus is an embarrassment if he runs into a villianous big wearing burnt orange, Aggie Maroon, or Purple & black or grey. Marcus PPG down a whopping 30% by 5.6 ppg. Jakey goes yard against the best pitchers and increases point productivity by 15%!!

Conclusion...big time players make big time plays in big time games. Marcus is just not very POY-ish

AbeFroman · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:54:58 AM »

Amazing post. Interested to see how Beems spins this

hemmy · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:37:21 AM »

Would like thoughts on Lamark vs Briscoe in fb board.

KITNfury · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2011, 07:21:03 AM »

Somebody that tweets or whatever needs to get this to all the talking heads so they have a talking point. Could gain steam.

mcmwcat · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2011, 07:23:23 AM »

gotta be pretty embarrassing for a cus morris supporter. sorry lil bro, stats don't lie.

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2011, 07:35:12 AM »

Quote from: The Manhatter on March 03, 2011, 12:49:19 AM

no need to worry trip F, we will always be bff. you fought the jordy-type battles w/ me going way back to hornfans (pre-blacklist days).

btw...more on Morris-Pullen #'s. It is truly amazing how much Marcus hides when he's guarded by the big boys.

Marcus played against 2, 3, & 4 while Pullen played against 1, 2, & 3 (sticking w/ the top 4 because nobody else has enough of everything to be a factor).

3 of the 4 games for Marcus were in the cozy confines of home @ Allen while our little Jake stuck out his chest and challenged the fierce opposition in 3 of 4 constests on the road.

Comparing both of their averages vs. their overall conference stats (forget non-con...don't really care what Marcus did to cacty Longwood, etc)

Marcus

FG % vs. all big 12 - .618 (102-165)
FG % vs. top 4 - .463 (19-41)

Jake
FG % vs. all big 12 - .420
FG % vs. top 4 - .417

Jake only drops .3% while Marcus is embarrasing dropping over 15%!!!

3FG% (yes, realize bigs don't shoot many 3's but Marcus especially doesn't against top 4, even though KU fans WOWED by Marcus range)

Marcus
3FG % vs. all Big 12 - 30% (9-30)
3FG % vs. top 4 - 0% (0-5)

Jake
3FG % vs all Big 12 - .398
3FG % vs top 4 - .448

Once again, Marcus is an embarrassment to KU fans vs. heavy competition. Nada on the range vs real teams while lil Jakey up 5 full percentage points!

Rebounding?

Marcus crashes into Buffs and Cyclones w/ fury like no other and gets 7.4 RPG but when it's time to put on big boy shoes he's down to 6 RPG. The sight of a Jordan Henriquez-Roberts type warming up on the other end has him heading for the locker room!

PPG?

Marcus

vs all big 12 - 18.6ppg
vs top 4 - 13ppg

Jakey
vs all big 12 - 21.7 ppg
vs top 4 - 25 ppg

Again, Marcus is an embarrassment if he runs into a villianous big wearing burnt orange, Aggie Maroon, or Purple & black or grey. Marcus PPG down a whopping 30% by 5.6 ppg. Jakey goes yard against the best pitchers and increases point productivity by 15%!!

Conclusion...big time players make big time plays in big time games. Marcus is just not very POY-ish

Manhatter, I feel like I am smarter after reading your posts, you are an asset to any forum you contribute to.

The rest of the stat mongers on here should sit up and take notice, cuz there is a new sherriff in town and he doesn't spew 'tarded cac.

Pete · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2011, 07:37:31 AM »

Someone send a link to Hatter's work to @kansassports, TIA.

SdK · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2011, 08:34:45 AM »

Love this

Well done sir!

EllToPay · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2011, 08:42:24 AM »

Quote from: The Manhatter on March 03, 2011, 12:49:19 AM

no need to worry trip F, we will always be bff. you fought the jordy-type battles w/ me going way back to hornfans (pre-blacklist days).

btw...more on Morris-Pullen #'s. It is truly amazing how much Marcus hides when he's guarded by the big boys.

Marcus played against 2, 3, & 4 while Pullen played against 1, 2, & 3 (sticking w/ the top 4 because nobody else has enough of everything to be a factor).

3 of the 4 games for Marcus were in the cozy confines of home @ Allen while our little Jake stuck out his chest and challenged the fierce opposition in 3 of 4 constests on the road.

Comparing both of their averages vs. their overall conference stats (forget non-con...don't really care what Marcus did to cacty Longwood, etc)

Marcus

FG % vs. all big 12 - .618 (102-165)
FG % vs. top 4 - .463 (19-41)

Jake
FG % vs. all big 12 - .420
FG % vs. top 4 - .417

Jake only drops .3% while Marcus is embarrasing dropping over 15%!!!

3FG% (yes, realize bigs don't shoot many 3's but Marcus especially doesn't against top 4, even though KU fans WOWED by Marcus range)

Marcus
3FG % vs. all Big 12 - 30% (9-30)
3FG % vs. top 4 - 0% (0-5)

Jake
3FG % vs all Big 12 - .398
3FG % vs top 4 - .448

Once again, Marcus is an embarrassment to KU fans vs. heavy competition. Nada on the range vs real teams while lil Jakey up 5 full percentage points!

Rebounding?

Marcus crashes into Buffs and Cyclones w/ fury like no other and gets 7.4 RPG but when it's time to put on big boy shoes he's down to 6 RPG. The sight of a Jordan Henriquez-Roberts type warming up on the other end has him heading for the locker room!

PPG?

Marcus

vs all big 12 - 18.6ppg
vs top 4 - 13ppg

Jakey
vs all big 12 - 21.7 ppg
vs top 4 - 25 ppg

Again, Marcus is an embarrassment if he runs into a villianous big wearing burnt orange, Aggie Maroon, or Purple & black or grey. Marcus PPG down a whopping 30% by 5.6 ppg. Jakey goes yard against the best pitchers and increases point productivity by 15%!!

Conclusion...big time players make big time plays in big time games. Marcus is just not very POY-ish

TO THE PHOG!

EMAWzified · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2011, 09:14:14 AM »

No other way to read this other than in big games Jake carries his team and Thug 1 lets the team carry him. POY my ass.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2011, 09:22:58 AM »

Hatter is a rough ridin' treasure.

A god damn rough ridin' treasure.

EMAWzified · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2011, 09:31:39 AM »

Manhatter, I did a copy and paste of your post on the cap-journal story of KU's game without attribution. I'm sure it will draw hawkers like cockroaches to toenail.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:26:44 AM »

Quote from: gatoveintisiete on March 03, 2011, 07:35:12 AM

Manhatter, I feel like I am smarter after reading your posts, you are an asset to any forum you contribute to.

The rest of the stat mongers on here should sit up and take notice, cuz there is a new sherriff in town and he doesn't spew 'tarded cac.

Buy yeah, Hatter is good and that is a very good post.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:31:12 AM »

Would be interesting to see the advanced stats for Jake and 'Cus vs the non-Wed crowd

EMAWzified · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2011, 11:08:55 AM »

Jake=warrior
Thug=thug

Pett · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:06:30 PM »

lol at the losers who actually vote Morris for POTY over Pullen. Everybody will know the truth and will just laugh when MM gets it.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:46:35 PM »

One of the players in this thread is named in this guy's Top 10 for NPOY. The other one is not.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:58:02 PM »

Pullen deserves Big 12 POY... I've never argued otherwise. The only way someone else wins it is if the voters place an emphasis on overall team success. I will say that the stats are a little misleading, though, mainly because both games against K-State were blowouts. Marcus only played 24 minutes in each matchup, scoring 10 points and grabbing 9 rebounds against K-State in AFH, while putting up 13 and 3 in Manhattan. In contrast, Pullen averaged 35 minutes a game against the top 4 in the league. The bottom line is that the comparison is apples to oranges.

rcjh88 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:01:03 PM »

I agree, kstate is nothing without Jake, so he deserves it.

The Manhatter · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:09:13 PM »

Quote from: OregonHawk on March 03, 2011, 12:58:02 PM

I will say that the stats are a little misleading, though, mainly because both games against K-State were blowouts. Marcus only played 24 minutes in each matchup, scoring 10 points and grabbing 9 rebounds against K-State in AFH, while putting up 13 and 3 in Manhattan. In contrast, Pullen averaged 35 minutes a game against the top 4 in the league. The bottom line is that the comparison is apples to oranges.

k. I'll make it apples to apples

pp minute top 4
jake = .71
MM = .47

pp minute all big 12
jake = .63
MM = .63

mcmwcat · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:11:56 PM »

omg. everyone loves us!!!!!!!

Fuktard · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:13:39 PM »

Quote from: The Manhatter on March 03, 2011, 12:49:19 AM

Marcus

FG % vs. all big 12 - .618 (102-165)
FG % vs. top 4 - .463 (19-41)

Jake
FG % vs. all big 12 - .420
FG % vs. top 4 - .417

Jake only drops .3% while Marcus is embarrasing dropping over 15%!!!

It's actually a 25% decrease (15 percentage points) in Marcus' fg% while Jake drops less than 1%. Great argument for Jake