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Re: Religion,Bible,Church, Etc. Thread
« Reply #275 on: February 28, 2011, 11:21:27 PM »
let's all pak and read bibles and l. ron hubbard books and talk about the qatz and sword fight with real swords and crap!

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« Reply #276 on: February 28, 2011, 11:25:10 PM »
lol @ this thread right now. WGAF tonight. go cats.
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Re: Religion,Bible,Church, Etc. Thread
« Reply #277 on: February 28, 2011, 11:45:04 PM »
Just the kind of argument you've put forth so far.

Keep trying, boyo. Maybe you can come up with a clever, but over used picture about how Christianity is absurd.

Don't need to. Not absurb, just not based on any fact.

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« Reply #278 on: February 28, 2011, 11:46:49 PM »
Too busy celebrating to care about this right now. See you tomorrow.
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Re: Religion,Bible,Church, Etc. Thread
« Reply #279 on: February 28, 2011, 11:59:00 PM »
Too busy celebrating to care about this right now. See you tomorrow.

Same....lol

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« Reply #280 on: March 01, 2011, 07:21:43 AM »
Too busy celebrating to care about this right now. See you tomorrow.

Its too soon, I'm still in celebration mode
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Re: Religion,Bible,Church, Etc. Thread
« Reply #281 on: March 01, 2011, 04:09:01 PM »
Do unborn muslim babies go to heaven?

I'm trying to imagine what would make an unborn baby a Muslim.

ok, a day old baby born of a Muslim mother and father.

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« Reply #282 on: March 01, 2011, 04:39:55 PM »
TOO SOOOOOOON! :dubious:



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Re: Religion,Bible,Church, Etc. Thread
« Reply #283 on: March 01, 2011, 04:42:38 PM »
Do unborn muslim babies go to heaven?

I'm trying to imagine what would make an unborn baby a Muslim.

ok, a day old baby born of a Muslim mother and father.

How about a 1, 2, or 3 yr old being raised Muslim.  Too young to even understand what the hell they are doing, but still technically practicing(or at least participating in ) a religion. 

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« Reply #284 on: March 01, 2011, 05:21:35 PM »
Do unborn muslim babies go to heaven?

I'm trying to imagine what would make an unborn baby a Muslim.

ok, a day old baby born of a Muslim mother and father.

How about a 1, 2, or 3 yr old being raised Muslim.  Too young to even understand what the hell they are doing, but still technically practicing(or at least participating in ) a religion. 

I would bet hell, according to the bible at least.

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« Reply #285 on: March 01, 2011, 05:35:58 PM »
Do unborn muslim babies go to heaven?

I'm trying to imagine what would make an unborn baby a Muslim.

ok, a day old baby born of a Muslim mother and father.

How about a 1, 2, or 3 yr old being raised Muslim.  Too young to even understand what the hell they are doing, but still technically practicing(or at least participating in ) a religion. 

If the mom and dad strapped a bomb to the baby and wheeled him into a room full of infidels and set it off, it would go to heaven and have 72 virgins at his disposal. :fatty:

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Re: Religion,Bible,Church, Etc. Thread
« Reply #286 on: March 01, 2011, 07:40:38 PM »
Do unborn muslim babies go to heaven?

I'm trying to imagine what would make an unborn baby a Muslim.

ok, a day old baby born of a Muslim mother and father.

How about a 1, 2, or 3 yr old being raised Muslim.  Too young to even understand what the hell they are doing, but still technically practicing(or at least participating in ) a religion. 

If the mom and dad strapped a bomb to the baby and wheeled him into a room full of infidels and set it off, it would go to heaven and have 72 virgins at his disposal. :fatty:

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Re: Religion,Bible,Church, Etc. Thread
« Reply #287 on: March 01, 2011, 07:57:10 PM »
Do unborn muslim babies go to heaven?

I'm trying to imagine what would make an unborn baby a Muslim.

ok, a day old baby born of a Muslim mother and father.

How about a 1, 2, or 3 yr old being raised Muslim.  Too young to even understand what the hell they are doing, but still technically practicing(or at least participating in ) a religion. 

If the mom and dad strapped a bomb to the baby and wheeled him into a room full of infidels and set it off, it would go to heaven and have 72 virgins at his disposal. :fatty:
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« Reply #288 on: March 02, 2011, 08:54:53 AM »
What if Jesus was just a really nice guy?  What if a god judged people based off of the daily choices they make rather than Jesus getting offed?  What if what he did got him judged kindly, but has nothing to do with you or yours?

"Either Jesus is the Son of God; or a madman or worse. But His being just a great teacher? He's not left that open to us." - C.S. Lewis

Isn't Lewis a writer of religious based books?

Also, there can easily be an in between. 

Yes, he was.

But that comment was said in context of the claims Jesus made himself, ie. its ridiculous to believe he was a "good teacher" when compared to some of the other truly radical (or crazy) things that he said.  Of course, that also presupposes that a person thinks the texts that we have quoting him are accurate and reliable.
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« Reply #289 on: March 02, 2011, 11:00:37 AM »
"Either Jesus is the Son of God; or a madman or worse. But His being just a great teacher? He's not left that open to us." - C.S. Lewis

Lewis was no tard, thats for sure.  However, he is oversimplifying this to push his Protestant Christian Fundy dogma... As the only Hindu on this board, I feel the need to weigh in..

Everybody goes to either heaven or hell argument is ridiculous, it is more of a product of Western Philosophy than actual Truth.  The truth is that Reincarnation takes place until moksha, or liberation is reached. There are astral realms that do resemble heaven or hell though based on the karma and actions of life one has lived.  No one sends you there, you just go to your own level of vibration.  Much like radio waves exist on different frequencies, after death, you go to an astral realm that matches your vibratory manifestation, until you reincarnate again. Not transmigration though (going from a bug, to a bird, to a human). Doesn't happen.

Christ did make radical statements, that does not ween the options down to 1.) The only Son of God 2.) A crazed idiot.

The Lord in the sacred Hindu Bible, the Bhagavad Gita, declares: "Whenever virtue declines and vice predominates, I incarnate as an Avatar. In visible form I appear from age to age to protect the virtuous and to destroy evildoing in order to reestablish righteousness"

Divine intercession to mitigate the cosmic law of cause and effect, by which a man suffers from his errors, was at the heart of the mission of love Jesus came to fulfill. Moses brought the law from God to man, emphasizing the awful justice that befalls willful heedlessness. Jesus came to demonstrate the forgiveness and compassion of God, whose love is a shelter even from the exacting law.

Jesus came in a darkened age that was little able to appreciate him; but his message of the love of God and his intercession on behalf of suffering humanity was not only for that time but for all ages to come—that God is with man in this darkest moments as well as in enlightened times. He reminded a world fearful of their Creator as a God of wrathful judgment that, though "God is a Spirit, and they that worship Him must worship him in spirit and in truth," the Absolute is also a personal God who can be appealed to in prayer and who responds as a loving heavenly Father.

To understand the magnitude of a divine incarnation, it is necessary to understand the source and nature of the consciousness that is incarnate in the avatar. Jesus spoke of this consciousness when he proclaimed: "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30) and "I am in the Father, and the Father in me" (John 14:11). Those who unite their consciousness to God know both the transcendent and the immanent nature of Spirit (through inductive reasoning and direct experience, i might add)—the singularity of the ever-existing, ever-conscious, ever-new Bliss of the Uncreate Absolute, and the myriad manifestations of His Being as the Infinitude of forms into which He variegates Himself in the panorama of creation.

The Good Shepherd of souls opened his arms to all, rejecting none, and with universal love coaxed the world to follow him on the path to liberation through the example of his spirit of sacrifice, renunciation, forgiveness, love for friend and enemy alike, and supreme love for God above all else.

But He was not a tree-hugging hippy patting everyone on the head... Renunciation and devotion is hard, and therefore calls for a certain element of radicalism which Jesus taught.

I doubt anyone will even consider what I am trying to say. Just offering another perspective...

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« Reply #290 on: March 02, 2011, 11:48:55 AM »
No joke, my bro in law's folks are super christians and his brother is a minister.  They about had a fit when my niece was born bc they waited to do the babtism when the whole family could make it up to chicago.  They were worried that their infant grand daughter could die and would burn in hell if the babtism was not done.

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« Reply #291 on: March 02, 2011, 02:42:36 PM »
They were worried that their infant grand daughter could die and would burn in hell if the baptism was not done.

If true, they've distorted what the Bible says.

Baptism is a statement of your salvation (a statement that an infant can't make), not the source of it.

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« Reply #292 on: March 02, 2011, 02:47:00 PM »
I doubt anyone will even consider what I am trying to say. Just offering another perspective...

I don't know what your point really is.

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« Reply #293 on: March 02, 2011, 03:28:38 PM »
PW,

Born again, or raised?

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« Reply #294 on: March 02, 2011, 04:00:25 PM »
I doubt anyone will even consider what I am trying to say. Just offering another perspective...

I don't know what your point really is.

The point is PW (like your videos btw), exactly what I said, just offering another perspective. 

The unfortunate thing is that the atheists/agnostics pretty much have you beat on many of these issues if you accept the party line christian dogma.  It is just, well, irrational, petty, and oversimplified.  Besides, who the heck would want to worship a "loving" god that throws someone to hell because they don't posses some arbitrary belief in an anthropomorphic european deity? Who would want to worship a god where the main motivation is to avoid punishment of eternal damnation?

Its too bad that God created us in his image, and then we returned the favor.

Anyways, there are other ways to develop a real, deep relationship with Christ without having to buy the fundamentalist or "christian" viewpoint.  Most unbelievers don't even consider this possibility because of the poor and inaccurate representation of the Lord Jesus by many of his followers.

This is not a shot at my christian brothers and sisters, all paths have rather poor representatives.  But PW, God can not be found through dogma, logic, rhetoric, or reason.  These are only rungs on the ladder.  Direct experience and communion with the Divine can open even the hardest of human hearts and can thoroughly convince even the most entrenched skeptic.






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« Reply #295 on: March 02, 2011, 04:12:54 PM »
Why would Hindu's study Jesus and believe Him to be an "Avatar" when He claims to be the only way to God (John 14:16)? Hindu's believe in the "way of works," which is salvation (escape) through good works (or adherence to Hindu teaching/scripture). Jesus teaches salvation through faith in Him and did not call for us to be legalistic.

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« Reply #296 on: March 02, 2011, 05:11:59 PM »
Why would Hindu's study Jesus and believe Him to be an "Avatar" when He claims to be the only way to God (John 14:16)? Hindu's believe in the "way of works," which is salvation (escape) through good works (or adherence to Hindu teaching/scripture). Jesus teaches salvation through faith in Him and did not call for us to be legalistic.

To many faith could be interpreted as Faith in the truth of his word and direction. 
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« Reply #297 on: March 02, 2011, 06:43:33 PM »
The truth is that Reincarnation takes place until moksha, or liberation is reached. There are astral realms that do resemble heaven or hell though based on the karma and actions of life one has lived.  No one sends you there, you just go to your own level of vibration.  Much like radio waves exist on different frequencies, after death, you go to an astral realm that matches your vibratory manifestation, until you reincarnate again.


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« Reply #298 on: March 02, 2011, 07:38:36 PM »
I doubt anyone will even consider what I am trying to say. Just offering another perspective...

I don't know what your point really is.

The point is PW (like your videos btw), exactly what I said, just offering another perspective. 

The unfortunate thing is that the atheists/agnostics pretty much have you beat on many of these issues if you accept the party line christian dogma.  It is just, well, irrational, petty, and oversimplified.  Besides, who the heck would want to worship a "loving" god that throws someone to hell because they don't posses some arbitrary belief in an anthropomorphic european deity? Who would want to worship a god where the main motivation is to avoid punishment of eternal damnation?

Its too bad that God created us in his image, and then we returned the favor.

Anyways, there are other ways to develop a real, deep relationship with Christ without having to buy the fundamentalist or "christian" viewpoint.  Most unbelievers don't even consider this possibility because of the poor and inaccurate representation of the Lord Jesus by many of his followers.

This is not a shot at my christian brothers and sisters, all paths have rather poor representatives.  But PW, God can not be found through dogma, logic, rhetoric, or reason.  These are only rungs on the ladder.  Direct experience and communion with the Divine can open even the hardest of human hearts and can thoroughly convince even the most entrenched skeptic.



I disagree with all of this.

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« Reply #299 on: March 02, 2011, 07:41:24 PM »
PW,

Born again, or raised?

Born again is a term used to describe anyone who has placed their faith and hope in Jesus Christ. They're reborn in Christ. A new person.

Am I a Christian because I was raised as one?

No.