Football Recruiting Thread

[GoodForAnother]

Man, I looked and found like 3 more pages here than a couple of days ago.....and thought," WOW, we must be landing some some cruits and then I read nothing buts stars this, stars that.....blah blah blah.....

People, we have only been recruiting this way for 20 years, right?

Yup. 

I am still perplexed as to why that line of discussion seems to upset people.  Once again, in the context of stars matter it's a perfectly applicable discussion.

In the last 5 years of Snyder I, we had 2 sub .500 seasons, and a 6-6 season.    Now, I've seen every excuse known to man as to why that happened, everything from guys not making it to campus, to guys being overrated, to not recruiting a QB.   Whatever.

But as of right now, LHC Bill Snyder's track record IS NOT win the conference and then continue to steam roll along, IT IS win the conference and then promptly go 9-13 over the next two seasons and retire.

pretty uninspired post, dax

[pissclams]

See  Newell, Peyton.

 

 

that is pretty     even for a guy like myself who doesn't really follow the old pigskin recruiting

[jtksu]

Man, I looked and found like 3 more pages here than a couple of days ago.....and thought," WOW, we must be landing some some cruits and then I read nothing buts stars this, stars that.....blah blah blah.....

People, we have only been recruiting this way for 20 years, right?

Well, no, this isn't what Snyder has done for 20 years.  In the DOD, Snyder had the market cornered on JuCo All-Americans back when "juco" was a dirty word.  Times have changed.

and MU had a much more limited presence in KC, KU was probably in better shape in the early 90s than they are now and NU was elite.

MU doesn't seem to have much of a presence (recruiting wise) in KC right now...

[GoodForAnother]

Man, I looked and found like 3 more pages here than a couple of days ago.....and thought," WOW, we must be landing some some cruits and then I read nothing buts stars this, stars that.....blah blah blah.....

People, we have only been recruiting this way for 20 years, right?

Well, no, this isn't what Snyder has done for 20 years.  In the DOD, Snyder had the market cornered on JuCo All-Americans back when "juco" was a dirty word.  Times have changed.

and MU had a much more limited presence in KC, KU was probably in better shape in the early 90s than they are now and NU was elite.

MU doesn't seem to have much of a presence (recruiting wise) in KC right now...

don't try telling this to MU fans

[Panjandrum]

Man, I looked and found like 3 more pages here than a couple of days ago.....and thought," WOW, we must be landing some some cruits and then I read nothing buts stars this, stars that.....blah blah blah.....

People, we have only been recruiting this way for 20 years, right?

Well, no, this isn't what Snyder has done for 20 years.  In the DOD, Snyder had the market cornered on JuCo All-Americans back when "juco" was a dirty word.  Times have changed.

and MU had a much more limited presence in KC, KU was probably in better shape in the early 90s than they are now and NU was elite.

MU doesn't seem to have much of a presence (recruiting wise) in KC right now...

At this point, the best Missouri recruit they have is ranked #12 in the state, and they have no one in the Kansas Top 10.

KSU has two recruits in the Missouri Top 10 (#8, #10).  Ole Miss and Arkansas have the top 2 ranked players in the state.

[Panjandrum]

Man, I looked and found like 3 more pages here than a couple of days ago.....and thought," WOW, we must be landing some some cruits and then I read nothing buts stars this, stars that.....blah blah blah.....

People, we have only been recruiting this way for 20 years, right?

Well, no, this isn't what Snyder has done for 20 years.  In the DOD, Snyder had the market cornered on JuCo All-Americans back when "juco" was a dirty word.  Times have changed.

and MU had a much more limited presence in KC, KU was probably in better shape in the early 90s than they are now and NU was elite.

MU doesn't seem to have much of a presence (recruiting wise) in KC right now...

don't try telling this to MU fans

Our classes are comparable at this point.  According to 247, MU is at #39.  We're at #46.

In a weird twist of fate, Kansas State is higher in the 247 composite rankings than NU (#48).

Kansas is at #72.

At this point, according to the 247 composites (which are the best overall indicators since they look at everyone), this is the best class Snyder has brought back thus far, if we keep going at the current pace.  We're currently ranked #7 in the big 12, which is higher than any ranking he's had thus far since he's come back.  And, to be honest, we're just splitting hairs with WVU right now.  One commit could push us over them.

And, if you're looking at the average composite score of the teams, we are right in the Tech/OSU/WVU/KU wheelhouse.

It's basically:

OU, UT
TCU, Baylor
Tech/KSU/KU/WVU/OSU
ISU

Those are the levels of recruiting right now.

[kslim]

Man, I looked and found like 3 more pages here than a couple of days ago.....and thought," WOW, we must be landing some some cruits and then I read nothing buts stars this, stars that.....blah blah blah.....

People, we have only been recruiting this way for 20 years, right?

Yup. 

I am still perplexed as to why that line of discussion seems to upset people.  Once again, in the context of stars matter it's a perfectly applicable discussion.

In the last 5 years of Snyder I, we had 2 sub .500 seasons, and a 6-6 season.    Now, I've seen every excuse known to man as to why that happened, everything from guys not making it to campus, to guys being overrated, to not recruiting a QB.   Whatever.

But as of right now, LHC Bill Snyder's track record IS NOT win the conference and then continue to steam roll along, IT IS win the conference and then promptly go 9-13 over the next two seasons and retire.

pretty uninspired post, dax

because every single one of us has an opinion on it and all of us think we are right, truth is none of us really know for the most part. i had no idea that snyder came out and said he never offered the stud mcmw linebacker that got tazed. We dont get the same info that 90% of the other schools do because the football program is ft. knox on info (especially with recruits) what i was getting at is I (yes me personally) dont trust rivals rating structure. they have missed too many times with our recruits

[jtksu]

Man, I looked and found like 3 more pages here than a couple of days ago.....and thought," WOW, we must be landing some some cruits and then I read nothing buts stars this, stars that.....blah blah blah.....

People, we have only been recruiting this way for 20 years, right?

Well, no, this isn't what Snyder has done for 20 years.  In the DOD, Snyder had the market cornered on JuCo All-Americans back when "juco" was a dirty word.  Times have changed.

and MU had a much more limited presence in KC, KU was probably in better shape in the early 90s than they are now and NU was elite.

MU doesn't seem to have much of a presence (recruiting wise) in KC right now...

don't try telling this to MU fans

Our classes are comparable at this point.  According to 247, MU is at #39.  We're at #46.

In a weird twist of fate, Kansas State is higher in the 247 composite rankings than NU (#48).

Kansas is at #72.

At this point, according to the 247 composites (which are the best overall indicators since they look at everyone), this is the best class Snyder has brought back thus far, if we keep going at the current pace.  We're currently ranked #7 in the big 12, which is higher than any ranking he's had thus far since he's come back.  And, to be honest, we're just splitting hairs with WVU right now.  One commit could push us over them.

And, if you're looking at the average composite score of the teams, we are right in the Tech/OSU/WVU/KU wheelhouse.

It's basically:

OU, UT
TCU, Baylor
Tech/KSU/KU/WVU/OSU
ISU

Those are the levels of recruiting right now.

Patterson had a ton of success with some really poorly ranked classes.  The move to the Big 12 appears to have boosted their recruiting ability and that worries me.  Curious if the move has harmed WVU's recruiting...  I could see some kids from their area being turned off by the fact that half their games with be played in the Midwest.   (Though I imagine it also opened up new territories for them.)

[MadCat]

See  Newell, Peyton.

 

 

that is pretty     even for a guy like myself who doesn't really follow the old pigskin recruiting

Who pulled off of Peyton Newell?  I'm not able to make the inference...

[GoodForAnother]

Man, I looked and found like 3 more pages here than a couple of days ago.....and thought," WOW, we must be landing some some cruits and then I read nothing buts stars this, stars that.....blah blah blah.....

People, we have only been recruiting this way for 20 years, right?

Well, no, this isn't what Snyder has done for 20 years.  In the DOD, Snyder had the market cornered on JuCo All-Americans back when "juco" was a dirty word.  Times have changed.

and MU had a much more limited presence in KC, KU was probably in better shape in the early 90s than they are now and NU was elite.

MU doesn't seem to have much of a presence (recruiting wise) in KC right now...

don't try telling this to MU fans

Our classes are comparable at this point.  According to 247, MU is at #39.  We're at #46.

In a weird twist of fate, Kansas State is higher in the 247 composite rankings than NU (#48).

Kansas is at #72.

At this point, according to the 247 composites (which are the best overall indicators since they look at everyone), this is the best class Snyder has brought back thus far, if we keep going at the current pace.  We're currently ranked #7 in the big 12, which is higher than any ranking he's had thus far since he's come back.  And, to be honest, we're just splitting hairs with WVU right now.  One commit could push us over them.

And, if you're looking at the average composite score of the teams, we are right in the Tech/OSU/WVU/KU wheelhouse.

It's basically:

OU, UT
TCU, Baylor
Tech/KSU/KU/WVU/OSU
ISU

Those are the levels of recruiting right now.

I understand that we have a comparable class to MU right now.  What I'm saying is don't try telling MU fans that they are losing/will continue to lose influence in the KC metro.

[Skipper44]

We just need MU to ride Pinkel down a few more seasons then have them hire a Houston Nutt-esque SEC retread and boom - MU = basketball school

[EMAWmeister]

Everyone shut up

[Ich.Gewinne]

Everyone shut up

Soz.

So. Slightly off topic with the mindset of The U buut thought it'd be interesting to talk about. I want to firstly know if these people would be even able to go after a ncaa scholly after being convicted (yey/ney?) but, what fb recruits would be legit to get for KSU - maybe if they had a come to jesus moment through the grace of LHCBS [just saying, not realistic, who knows]. If they somehow/someway got their minds straight.
Kinda impossible. Anyways, enough nerdage.

Jamone Boyd (armed robbery) - 2013 DE - Was "committed" to KSU, 4*
Chris Martin (aggravated armed robbery) - ?? DE - tainted with rcjh, 4*
Eddie Williams (credit card fraud / robbery ) - 2012 ATH/S - Former Alabama player, 5*
Tyler Hayes (cc fraud / robbery) - 2012 OLB - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
Brent Calloway (cc fraud / robbery) - 2011 ATH - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
D. J. Pettway (same as above) - 2011 DE - Former bama, going to FCS school I think? 4*

  who else??

[Ich.Gewinne]

Don't want people that did especially heinous things. eff dat.

[jtksu]

Everyone shut up

Soz.

So. Slightly off topic with the mindset of The U buut thought it'd be interesting to talk about. I want to firstly know if these people would be even able to go after a ncaa scholly after being convicted (yey/ney?) but, what fb recruits would be legit to get for KSU - maybe if they had a come to jesus moment through the grace of LHCBS [just saying, not realistic, who knows]. If they somehow/someway got their minds straight.
Kinda impossible. Anyways, enough nerdage.

Jamone Boyd (armed robbery) - 2013 DE - Was "committed" to KSU, 4*
Chris Martin (aggravated armed robbery) - ?? DE - tainted with rcjh, 4*
Eddie Williams (credit card fraud / robbery ) - 2012 ATH/S - Former Alabama player, 5*
Tyler Hayes (cc fraud / robbery) - 2012 OLB - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
Brent Calloway (cc fraud / robbery) - 2011 ATH - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
D. J. Pettway (same as above) - 2011 DE - Former bama, going to FCS school I think? 4*

  who else??

I don't think Boyd is going to be playing football anytime soon.

[Shacks]

Everyone shut up

Soz.

So. Slightly off topic with the mindset of The U buut thought it'd be interesting to talk about. I want to firstly know if these people would be even able to go after a ncaa scholly after being convicted (yey/ney?) but, what fb recruits would be legit to get for KSU - maybe if they had a come to jesus moment through the grace of LHCBS [just saying, not realistic, who knows]. If they somehow/someway got their minds straight.
Kinda impossible. Anyways, enough nerdage.

Jamone Boyd (armed robbery) - 2013 DE - Was "committed" to KSU, 4*
Chris Martin (aggravated armed robbery) - ?? DE - tainted with rcjh, 4*
Eddie Williams (credit card fraud / robbery ) - 2012 ATH/S - Former Alabama player, 5*
Tyler Hayes (cc fraud / robbery) - 2012 OLB - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
Brent Calloway (cc fraud / robbery) - 2011 ATH - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
D. J. Pettway (same as above) - 2011 DE - Former bama, going to FCS school I think? 4*

  who else??

I don't think Boyd is going to be playing football anytime soon.

Depends if they have a Longest Yard thing going on wherever he ends up

[TheHamburglar]

Everyone shut up

Soz.

So. Slightly off topic with the mindset of The U buut thought it'd be interesting to talk about. I want to firstly know if these people would be even able to go after a ncaa scholly after being convicted (yey/ney?) but, what fb recruits would be legit to get for KSU - maybe if they had a come to jesus moment through the grace of LHCBS [just saying, not realistic, who knows]. If they somehow/someway got their minds straight.
Kinda impossible. Anyways, enough nerdage.

Jamone Boyd (armed robbery) - 2013 DE - Was "committed" to KSU, 4*
Chris Martin (aggravated armed robbery) - ?? DE - tainted with rcjh, 4*
Eddie Williams (credit card fraud / robbery ) - 2012 ATH/S - Former Alabama player, 5*
Tyler Hayes (cc fraud / robbery) - 2012 OLB - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
Brent Calloway (cc fraud / robbery) - 2011 ATH - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
D. J. Pettway (same as above) - 2011 DE - Former bama, going to FCS school I think? 4*

  who else??

I don't think Boyd is going to be playing football anytime soon.

Crabtree said on the radio yesterday that former KSU commit Javonte Boyd was going juco.  I think he just misspoke and meant Jamone.  I tweeted him to clarify.

[GoodForAnother]

From the very beginning Coach Coleman's interest in my son TL has been sincere, honest and professional. Of course, Coach Snyder really sealed the interest I had in K State for my son TL. Making the trip to Kansas State really was impressive. I have no doubt that my son will be under great care and direction from not only the coaching staff, but from the players. I was very impressed with the players at K State as well; which also had a huge impression on TL ie Tyler Lockett ( Great Kid).

 It is just a blessing and a honor for TL to be given an opportunity to grow as a young man while getting a 1st class education and of course play football as a Wildcat!   

Also, to all K State fans thanks for all of the great and supportive comments on the message boards and twitter. #EMAW!!!

TL and his family now look forward to watching him play his SR year and getting better and better. 


God Bless

what if andre coleman is a complete badass?

[manpow5]

From the very beginning Coach Coleman's interest in my son TL has been sincere, honest and professional. Of course, Coach Snyder really sealed the interest I had in K State for my son TL. Making the trip to Kansas State really was impressive. I have no doubt that my son will be under great care and direction from not only the coaching staff, but from the players. I was very impressed with the players at K State as well; which also had a huge impression on TL ie Tyler Lockett ( Great Kid).

 It is just a blessing and a honor for TL to be given an opportunity to grow as a young man while getting a 1st class education and of course play football as a Wildcat!   

Also, to all K State fans thanks for all of the great and supportive comments on the message boards and twitter. #EMAW!!!

TL and his family now look forward to watching him play his SR year and getting better and better. 


God Bless

what if andre coleman is a complete badass?

[Mixed-Nutz]

Everyone shut up

Soz.

So. Slightly off topic with the mindset of The U buut thought it'd be interesting to talk about. I want to firstly know if these people would be even able to go after a ncaa scholly after being convicted (yey/ney?) but, what fb recruits would be legit to get for KSU - maybe if they had a come to jesus moment through the grace of LHCBS [just saying, not realistic, who knows]. If they somehow/someway got their minds straight.
Kinda impossible. Anyways, enough nerdage.

Jamone Boyd (armed robbery) - 2013 DE - Was "committed" to KSU, 4*
Chris Martin (aggravated armed robbery) - ?? DE - tainted with rcjh, 4*
Eddie Williams (credit card fraud / robbery ) - 2012 ATH/S - Former Alabama player, 5*
Tyler Hayes (cc fraud / robbery) - 2012 OLB - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
Brent Calloway (cc fraud / robbery) - 2011 ATH - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
D. J. Pettway (same as above) - 2011 DE - Former bama, going to FCS school I think? 4*

  who else??

I don't think Boyd is going to be playing football anytime soon.

At Hutch....

[jtksu]

Everyone shut up

Soz.

So. Slightly off topic with the mindset of The U buut thought it'd be interesting to talk about. I want to firstly know if these people would be even able to go after a ncaa scholly after being convicted (yey/ney?) but, what fb recruits would be legit to get for KSU - maybe if they had a come to jesus moment through the grace of LHCBS [just saying, not realistic, who knows]. If they somehow/someway got their minds straight.
Kinda impossible. Anyways, enough nerdage.

Jamone Boyd (armed robbery) - 2013 DE - Was "committed" to KSU, 4*
Chris Martin (aggravated armed robbery) - ?? DE - tainted with rcjh, 4*
Eddie Williams (credit card fraud / robbery ) - 2012 ATH/S - Former Alabama player, 5*
Tyler Hayes (cc fraud / robbery) - 2012 OLB - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
Brent Calloway (cc fraud / robbery) - 2011 ATH - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
D. J. Pettway (same as above) - 2011 DE - Former bama, going to FCS school I think? 4*

  who else??

I don't think Boyd is going to be playing football anytime soon.

At Hutch....

What happend with the felonies?

[Mixed-Nutz]

Everyone shut up

Soz.

So. Slightly off topic with the mindset of The U buut thought it'd be interesting to talk about. I want to firstly know if these people would be even able to go after a ncaa scholly after being convicted (yey/ney?) but, what fb recruits would be legit to get for KSU - maybe if they had a come to jesus moment through the grace of LHCBS [just saying, not realistic, who knows]. If they somehow/someway got their minds straight.
Kinda impossible. Anyways, enough nerdage.

Jamone Boyd (armed robbery) - 2013 DE - Was "committed" to KSU, 4*
Chris Martin (aggravated armed robbery) - ?? DE - tainted with rcjh, 4*
Eddie Williams (credit card fraud / robbery ) - 2012 ATH/S - Former Alabama player, 5*
Tyler Hayes (cc fraud / robbery) - 2012 OLB - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
Brent Calloway (cc fraud / robbery) - 2011 ATH - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
D. J. Pettway (same as above) - 2011 DE - Former bama, going to FCS school I think? 4*

  who else??

I don't think Boyd is going to be playing football anytime soon.

At Hutch....

What happend with the felonies?

Not sure, must of gotten taken care. Crabtree said he was a hutch on the radio this week. I bet Bill placed and still plans on getting him to state.

[Cire]

was he a full qualifier?

[wabash909]

Man, I looked and found like 3 more pages here than a couple of days ago.....and thought," WOW, we must be landing some some cruits and then I read nothing buts stars this, stars that.....blah blah blah.....

People, we have only been recruiting this way for 20 years, right?

Well, no, this isn't what Snyder has done for 20 years.  In the DOD, Snyder had the market cornered on JuCo All-Americans back when "juco" was a dirty word.  Times have changed.

and MU had a much more limited presence in KC, KU was probably in better shape in the early 90s than they are now and NU was elite.

MU doesn't seem to have much of a presence (recruiting wise) in KC right now...

Good residual effect of being completely irrelevant in the SEC.  Hopefully, they will continue to get buried over the course of the next couple of years and we reassert our presence.

[kslim]

Everyone shut up

Soz.

So. Slightly off topic with the mindset of The U buut thought it'd be interesting to talk about. I want to firstly know if these people would be even able to go after a ncaa scholly after being convicted (yey/ney?) but, what fb recruits would be legit to get for KSU - maybe if they had a come to jesus moment through the grace of LHCBS [just saying, not realistic, who knows]. If they somehow/someway got their minds straight.
Kinda impossible. Anyways, enough nerdage.

Jamone Boyd (armed robbery) - 2013 DE - Was "committed" to KSU, 4*
Chris Martin (aggravated armed robbery) - ?? DE - tainted with rcjh, 4*
Eddie Williams (credit card fraud / robbery ) - 2012 ATH/S - Former Alabama player, 5*
Tyler Hayes (cc fraud / robbery) - 2012 OLB - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
Brent Calloway (cc fraud / robbery) - 2011 ATH - Former Alabama player, last I heard a JUCO rout possibility, 4*
D. J. Pettway (same as above) - 2011 DE - Former bama, going to FCS school I think? 4*

  who else??

never even offered