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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2776 on: December 19, 2011, 04:25:10 PM »
Please tell me we backed off on him, I mean we should have had a checklist of each of those things unless Tate was being really awkward when they met.
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« Reply #2777 on: December 19, 2011, 05:45:45 PM »
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Entering his visit to K-State, Clark had said the Pitt Panthers were the top school for him, stating that it would be hard to beat Pitt. After his visit to the Little Apple, Clark has had a change of heart.

"My favorite is K-State. They are at the top of the list."

Clark set a national junior-college record for single-season receptions with 98 this season and for receiving yards with 1,639.

"After I get home, I'll sit down and look at the schools and make my decision."

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« Reply #2778 on: December 19, 2011, 08:45:24 PM »
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Entering his visit to K-State, Clark had said the Pitt Panthers were the top school for him, stating that it would be hard to beat Pitt. After his visit to the Little Apple, Clark has had a change of heart.

"My favorite is K-State. They are at the top of the list."

Clark set a national junior-college record for single-season receptions with 98 this season and for receiving yards with 1,639.

"After I get home, I'll sit down and look at the schools and make my decision."

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Hopefully that helps with Rooks.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2779 on: December 19, 2011, 09:01:01 PM »
mods, why is this thread pinned?  :flush:

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« Reply #2780 on: December 20, 2011, 09:18:38 PM »
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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2781 on: December 20, 2011, 09:23:53 PM »
Mark Glowinski who just visited liked Collin Klein for Heisman and Collin Klein on facebook  :dunno:

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« Reply #2782 on: December 20, 2011, 10:12:17 PM »
Good scoops, Moon.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2783 on: December 20, 2011, 11:28:09 PM »
Would take both.  Or one.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2784 on: December 20, 2011, 11:41:53 PM »
Would take both.  Or one.
Do we even need Clark? I feel like WR is our deepest position.

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« Reply #2785 on: December 20, 2011, 11:52:33 PM »
Would take both.  Or one.
Do we even need Clark? I feel like WR is our deepest position.

yes.  we need playmakers and vertical threats.  we had one this year and he's now on IR. 

or was this question a serious one?
Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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« Reply #2786 on: December 21, 2011, 05:46:46 AM »
Welp, so much for capitalizing on 10-2.

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The conversation was brief but it took only a matter of minutes to understand just how difficult of decision junior college offensive lineman Tavon Rooks has on his hands.

   

Tavon Rooks will decide between Kansas State and West Virginia.
"The original schedule still stands," a clearly stressed Rooks said by phone early Tuesday. "I talked with my family a bit last night and today I'll be making calls to both coaching staffs one last time. After that, I'll sit back down with my family and we'll go from there."

As expected, the battle between Kansas State and West Virginia for the four-star prospect's services was only amplified after a visit to Morgantown this past weekend.

"The visit to West Virginia went very well and I enjoyed myself while I was there," said Rooks.

LHC LHC Bill Snyder's staff has been in on the 6-foot-6 recruit since his days at Santa Clarita's College of the Canyons. Since then, Rooks has truly blossomed into one of the country's most promising offensive lineman and that relationship is one of the top selling factors for the Wildcats.

"At Kansas State, they have a great group of experienced coaches who have been there a long time," explains the 280 pound offensive tackle. "They are all one big family out there and I felt comfortable."

When it comes to the Mountaineers, Rooks once again turns to the coaching staff when describing what stands out in West Virginia's favor.

"The West Virginia staff is a little younger but they're a really good staff as well and Coach Holgorsen has some swag about him," said Rooks. "It's a little more loose in the sense that you're a football player but also a college student. They just let you be yourself."

For the December graduate, the remaining hours are expected to be tense and information filled as both programs give their final pitch. As it stands now, those last words may weigh heavily in the commitment process, as the lineman honestly admits it is neck and neck.

"I am still undecided. I'm not leaning in any direction."

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2787 on: December 21, 2011, 11:04:59 AM »
I'll agree that WR is our deepest position but I don't feel like we're in any position to turn down talent at any position.

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« Reply #2788 on: December 21, 2011, 01:32:23 PM »

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"The West Virginia staff is a little younger "

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« Reply #2789 on: December 21, 2011, 02:02:02 PM »

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"The West Virginia staff is a little younger "

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I used to care about that, but honestly, the age of the staff is kind of pointless.

I mean, what are you looking for?  Some guy that's going to go out there and take you out for a beer?

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« Reply #2790 on: December 21, 2011, 02:22:26 PM »

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"The West Virginia staff is a little younger "

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I used to care about that, but honestly, the age of the staff is kind of pointless.

I mean, what are you looking for?  Some guy that's going to go out there and take you out for a beer?

You think the age of the staff is pointless now, or back when you were 18?

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« Reply #2791 on: December 21, 2011, 02:26:05 PM »

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"The West Virginia staff is a little younger "

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I used to care about that, but honestly, the age of the staff is kind of pointless.

I mean, what are you looking for?  Some guy that's going to go out there and take you out for a beer?

You think the age of the staff is pointless now, or back when you were 18?

I believe the age of the staff is pointless now, but I had convinced myself that it was really significant before.

Besides, Rooks isn't 18.  He's most likely 20 or 21.  He should be looking for a program that will best get him prepared for a chance at the NFL.  If WVU has a better OL coach that can get him there, fine.  If he just wants to play for a younger guy, then he needs someone to help him check his priorities.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2792 on: December 21, 2011, 02:41:41 PM »

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"The West Virginia staff is a little younger "

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I used to care about that, but honestly, the age of the staff is kind of pointless.

I mean, what are you looking for?  Some guy that's going to go out there and take you out for a beer?

You think the age of the staff is pointless now, or back when you were 18?

I believe the age of the staff is pointless now, but I had convinced myself that it was really significant before.

Besides, Rooks isn't 18.  He's most likely 20 or 21.  He should be looking for a program that will best get him prepared for a chance at the NFL.  If WVU has a better OL coach that can get him there, fine.  If he just wants to play for a younger guy, then he needs someone to help him check his priorities.

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"The West Virginia staff is a little younger but they're a really good staff as well and Coach Holgorsen has some swag about him," said Rooks. "It's a little more loose in the sense that you're a football player but also a college student. They just let you be yourself."

Heaven forbid a CFB player want to enjoy himself while in college. It isn't like we have O-Line U in Manhattan or something. Jesus, some of you people.

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« Reply #2793 on: December 21, 2011, 02:55:04 PM »
Welp, just like clockwork the tucks have dusted off the annual "Stars Don't Matter" debate amongst themselves to defend our piss poor recruiting.

Hey, why settle for first when second is available, right?

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Very interesting.

Link: HCBS's recruiting approach


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I agree. Smart smart man :)



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“To me, the most significant factor is assessment and how you evaluate young people,” Snyder said, “to be strong enough in evaluations that they allow you to understand those intrinsic values that they bring, as well. You obviously have to have some on-the-field talent, but some of the other things become so valuable, as well, for us.”

That comment alone validates why I believe no other coach can even sniff LHCBS's Jock in terms of ability to run a program



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What is interesting about this and the article on the home page...he says explicitly that you can spend a lot of time on the high star guys and if you finish 2nd you still don't get them...and that takes away from time to get others, and you lose on both ends. So he is stating as a matter of philosophy that he won't blow all his efforts on these guys, implying he will be very careful about what high star guys he devotes effort to. I think this may be the first time he has said this so openly.

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I recall 2002-2004 us getting top 20 classes and key elements like Nick Patton not panning out. Stars don't mean jack for schools like us.

EXACTLY why Weis will fail...he does not have the values, ethic, and work needed and will never get enough 5 stars to matter.



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yep, don't feel like doing one my many long posts on this subject, but class ratings almost always FOLLOW on-field success/failure, they rarely predict it.

for years, snyder knew something that everybody else didn't know and it was reflected in poor class ratings that kicked everybody else's ass on the field. come to '01-'04, Crabby & Co. began to assume that KSU knew something they didn't (which was still true) and overrated the classes based upon Bill recruiting them.

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I think that is one reason he recruits so many juco corners and dl. It is harder to get those speed guys and a bit harder to develop dls.

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Good point, catback.

Really interesting article with some candid comments from coach.

There's something to be said for knowing who you are and being the best at that. Win more of the winnable recruiting battles is a great strategy.
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all of these points, plus just last year, LCBS was quoted as saying we had several players fall into our laps late - and didn't have room for them..



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Very illuminating. It pretty much explains it all. Based on that article, I have a proposition. From this point forward it shall be prohibited for any poster to whine about recruiting. Trust in the man.



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Often times the difference between a five star and a three star is polish....how far along they are in their development.

They may have identical measurables. The key is identifying the guys that two or three years down the road can develop into the type of player that you're looking for.

Now, occassionally you'll have a Bryce Brown or Jadaveon Clowney that are just freaks of nature.



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For us oldies that have been around for awhile this is not new. HCBS has been successful for his ability to assess talent and how to use it. He has never gone after those higher star recruits other then a few that he had a good chance of landing. And I believe Mangino picked up some pointers when he was here, but had limited success. I would argue that Dana Dimel and a few others may have picked up on it as well. The other thing that makes HCBS successful, is his ingame adjustments. He is very good at those and not so sure he will share that.

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Originally posted by YoureMyBoyBuhl:
Often times the difference between a five star and a three star is polish....how far along they are in their development.

They may have identical measurables. The key is identifying the guys that two or three years down the road can develop into the type of player that you're looking for.

Now, occassionally you'll have a Bryce Brown or Jadaveon Clowney that are just freaks of nature.


does that explain Travis Britz's low rating? the guy won area awards and all state awards.



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Originally posted by YoureMyBoyBuhl:
Often times the difference between a five star and a three star is polish...


I would take that a step further. Sometimes, the only difference between 3 stars and 5 stars is offer lists.

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Originally posted by barborugby:
Good point, catback.

Really interesting article with some candid comments from coach.

There's something to be said for knowing who you are and being the best at that. Win more of the winnable recruiting battles is a great strategy.
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I remember when he got ousted at Clemson, Tommy Bowden said something to similar effect to Snyder. He was talking about how his staff was getting so much credit for being great recruiters with near misses and getting their feet into the doors of some of the highest profile players in the country, but it really didn't matter one iota if you were coming in second for the elite players. You could win a MNC with all the players they finished second for, but you could barely go .500 with the guys you had to pick up at the last second to fill those slots because your own second choices had already gone elsewhere.

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You're looking at a kid that plays smaller class Missouri football. There is some obvious bias towards players at larger schools in more populous areas. There are more combines, camps, etc for those kids to go to and get their names out to scouting services.

But yeah, Britz probably isn't and battle-tested playing at Harrisonville as a kid from Dallas Skyline or somewhere like that. So when he dominates at that level, people are going to take it with a grain of salt....probably rightfully so.

One of the reasons you see that most of the successful kids from Kansas aren't that highly ranked. One of the reasons is that these kids aren't playing football year-round like some of these other states and fall a bit behind the growth curve. So when you see Terence Newman who can jump out of the gym and run like a deer but lacks some coverage skills, you say to yourself, "Hey, that kid might be pretty good in a couple years" and take a shot at him.



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Originally posted by wichita_cat:



Originally posted by YoureMyBoyBuhl:
Often times the difference between a five star and a three star is polish...



I would take that a step further. Sometimes, the only difference between 3 stars and 5 stars is offer lists.


While I do agree with what most everyone is saying in this thread and obviously agree with Coach on his approach, I can't agree that there is little difference between 3 and 5 star recruits. You could maybe say that about 3 and 4s. Most 5 star recruits are elite, and while some are busts, most are not and live up to the hype.

I do think for us that the 3-star guys are a good fit, but that doesn't mean that recruiting rankings mean nothing. Most of the time they are a fairly reliable indicator of how successful a program is going to be.



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Originally posted by BleedinPurple:
Originally posted by wichita_cat:



Originally posted by YoureMyBoyBuhl:
Often times the difference between a five star and a three star is polish...



I would take that a step further. Sometimes, the only difference between 3 stars and 5 stars is offer lists.


While I do agree with what most everyone is saying in this thread and obviously agree with Coach on his approach, I can't agree that there is little difference between 3 and 5 star recruits. You could maybe say that about 3 and 4s. Most 5 star recruits are elite, and while some are busts, most are not and live up to the hype.

I do think for us that the 3-star guys are a good fit, but that doesn't mean that recruiting rankings mean nothing. Most of the time they are a fairly reliable indicator of how successful a program is going to be.


First, I had the caveat "sometimes" in my post.

I also disagree that "most" 5 stars live up to the hype. Certainly a greater percentage of 5 star players go on to great things than players rated at any other level, that's not debatable. But it's closer to about 1/3 bust, 1/3 turn out to be 'okay' depth chart guys, and 1/3 actually perform near or above expectations.

And I would also argue that recruiting rankings are RARELY a reliable indicator of how successful a program is going to be. They are usually a more reliable indicator of where a program already is. Higher/Lower rankings FOLLOW success/failure. They rarely predict it. We're a great example. Snyder's best teams were built on players from recruiting classes that the analysts rated near the bottom of the league. After sustained success, we recruited 3 of the best classes in school history - who would become the players for our '04 & '05 downfall years.

A lot of people will throw out the recruiting ranking results that show a high correlation to on-future field success at the top. While that's usually true, without evaluating a single player in their classes, I can state that USC, Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, Ohio State, LSU, and Alabama are going to have good teams in 3-5 years. Bet you that I hit on a high percentage of those!

To be of any predictive value, they should have been able to show the rise of Oklahoma State, Stanford, Michigan State, Baylor, KSU, or the recent downturns of Texas, Florida, Miami, Michigan (prior to this year), etc. They didn't. Not even close actually.

Not to talk down the services too much - they do offer some entertainment value. But there is huge reason that Crabby, Lemming, & Co. aren't being offered recruiting coordinator positions left and right. And the reason - for lack of a better way to say it - is that they aren't really that good at evaluating talent (compared to actual football coaches).
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Originally posted by BleedinPurple:

Originally posted by wichita_cat:

Originally posted by YoureMyBoyBuhl:
Often times the difference between a five star and a three star is polish...
I would take that a step further. Sometimes, the only difference between 3 stars and 5 stars is offer lists.
While I do agree with what most everyone is saying in this thread and obviously agree with Coach on his approach, I can't agree that there is little difference between 3 and 5 star recruits. You could maybe say that about 3 and 4s. Most 5 star recruits are elite, and while some are busts, most are not and live up to the hype.

I do think for us that the 3-star guys are a good fit, but that doesn't mean that recruiting rankings mean nothing. Most of the time they are a fairly reliable indicator of how successful a program is going to be.
Like I said, not all three stars have five star potential. That's where evaluation is key. You have to be able to identify which guys are simply role players and which guys could be exceptional.

But on average about 2/3 of the guys taken in the first three rounds of the NFL Draft were ranked three stars or lower out of high school. So those guys are certainly out there to be identified and developed.



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I think the rating for Britz is simple. It isn't that he's not "battle tested" as there is some good football in Missouri. The #1 recruit is from Missouri and he plays against weaker competition on a regular basis than Britz.

Britz is rated fairly high by ESPN because I think they take more into account of what the players can do than rivals. Rivals seems to have drifted to more news content and a little bit away from recruiting. That is fine because it serves as more of a news piece for school specific sports to the fanbase it gathered from a long time ago. It probably didn't help Britz that rivals hired a guy to cover midwest recruiting fairly recently. Many of the kids are known by a regional guy long before Britz showed up on the radar.

But Britz is not a guy who is considered a "5 tool" player (to use a baseball term). He's not a guy you see as a pass rusher. The DL with the ability to rush the passer are the higher rated guys. That is the way the sport operates today and what the NFL covets. That is not to say he can't be a damn good and reliable interior DL. You still need to stop the run and he's likely going to be excellent in that regard. LSU will have 4 pass rushers on the field at each of the 4 DL positions whenn they step on the field...in a good year KSU might have 2. We don't need a pass rusher at every position though it would be nice. We were spoiled in '99 when we had 3 in Fatafehi, Howard, and Beisel.



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I wonder what Snyder's definition of an "early offer" is. We have offered the junior Skyline QB and already have a commit from a Kansas kid for 2013. That seems early to me. I don't remember us doing that 10 years ago, but I may just not be remembering correctly.



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i think he means that more from a relative standpoint, e.g. Mack Brown has the vast majority of his class wrapped up before they've ever played a down as seniors.

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Originally posted by BleedinPurple:



Originally posted by wichita_cat:






Originally posted by YoureMyBoyBuhl:
Often times the difference between a five star and a three star is polish...





I would take that a step further. Sometimes, the only difference between 3 stars and 5 stars is offer lists.



While I do agree with what most everyone is saying in this thread and obviously agree with Coach on his approach, I can't agree that there is little difference between 3 and 5 star recruits. You could maybe say that about 3 and 4s. Most 5 star recruits are elite, and while some are busts, most are not and live up to the hype.

I do think for us that the 3-star guys are a good fit, but that doesn't mean that recruiting rankings mean nothing. Most of the time they are a fairly reliable indicator of how successful a program is going to be.
there used to be a poster on the rivals main board who tracked teh success of the rivals 100 every year - had many years of data.

1/3 of them never played, 1/3 had some kind of career, and 1/3 were stars.

hardly a sure thing...



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I think LHCBS is making the right decision. If he stays with the same philosophy on the type of players and the evaluation of players, I think next year's recruting with KSU having 2 great years in a row, a heisman trophy winner  , Daniel Sams or Bender ready to take the helm, will be better. The Rooks' and others that are on the fence with KSU right now will choose us earlier in the process.

When Snyder can go through the evaluation of players AND get those players using his process, just think what kind of a juggernaut he can create at KSU. We are not far off.



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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2794 on: December 21, 2011, 03:01:42 PM »

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"The West Virginia staff is a little younger "

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I used to care about that, but honestly, the age of the staff is kind of pointless.

I mean, what are you looking for?  Some guy that's going to go out there and take you out for a beer?

You think the age of the staff is pointless now, or back when you were 18?

I believe the age of the staff is pointless now, but I had convinced myself that it was really significant before.

Besides, Rooks isn't 18.  He's most likely 20 or 21.  He should be looking for a program that will best get him prepared for a chance at the NFL.  If WVU has a better OL coach that can get him there, fine.  If he just wants to play for a younger guy, then he needs someone to help him check his priorities.

Read the whole quote:

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"The West Virginia staff is a little younger but they're a really good staff as well and Coach Holgorsen has some swag about him," said Rooks. "It's a little more loose in the sense that you're a football player but also a college student. They just let you be yourself."

Heaven forbid a CFB player want to enjoy himself while in college. It isn't like we have O-Line U in Manhattan or something. Jesus, some of you people.

I read the whole quote.  There doesn't necessarily have to be a connection between age and not allowing these guys to express themselves (or whatever it is Rooks is getting at).

I saw how Snyder's players enjoyed college when I was there.  They seemed to enjoy all Manhattan had to offer.  If he's got an issue with wearing hats in Vanier or something, well, that is what it is.  It's not like Snyder says you can't hang out with women past 10 PM, so I don't know exactly what he's getting at when he says WVU just lets you be yourself.  Gill and his staff were younger than Snyder's and it was like those guys were a part of a seminary.  So, commenting on the age of the coaches seems strange to me.

I never said that we were OL-U.  We have a good track record of getting JUCO players into the NFL, so you can from that what you will.

If he just wants to get a degree, have a little fun, and play a little football, that's perfectly fine.  Nothing wrong with that.  But if he has higher aspirations, maybe there's a reason things are a little more 'strict' in Manhattan.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2795 on: December 21, 2011, 03:07:47 PM »
Welp, just like clockwork the tucks have dusted off the annual "Stars Don't Matter" debate amongst themselves to defend our piss poor recruiting.

Hey, why settle for first when second is available, right?

:flush:

This year's class is actually pretty solid when you mix the grayshirts in.  There's a ton of prep players in there.

We've got about five weeks until signing day.  I'm sure we'll see about 5-6 JUCO guys and a late qualifier or something sneak in to round it out.

I feel pretty good about it, overall.   :dunno:

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2796 on: December 21, 2011, 03:27:29 PM »
This year's class is actually pretty solid when you mix the grayshirts in.

This is one of my most hated GPC talking points

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2797 on: December 21, 2011, 03:34:57 PM »
This year's class is actually pretty solid when you mix the grayshirts in.

This is one of my most hated GPC talking points

You get 25 players.  When you put this 'class' with those guys, you look up and down, and you see 18 players thus far that look pretty solid.  There are some high ceiling guys in there.  All of them look like D1 athletes.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but if you think recruiting rankings are stupid (which I do, regardless of whether or not it's a tuck talking point), who cares how many stars a guy has?  If you can look at film and go, "Yeah, I see where and how he fits.  Good pull," then it's a good pull.

If you recruit a guy like Billy Cosh that makes no sense in your system, has no offers, and you have no idea why you offered him in the first place, you say, "Bad job."

Not all of Leach's classes were highly ranked either, but he killed it because he knew what he was looking for, and you could look at a Tech class and go, "Ah, yeah, that's a good class for him."  Same with Patterson.  If he pulled about thirteen running backs from Texas, you knew the defense was going to continue to kill it, regardless of the class ranking.

Why folks around here get hung up on football recruiting rankings makes no sense to me.  It's not like there's some mechanism like AAU for football that allows the elite to play against each other a hundred times outside of high school games.  It's all a crap shoot.  I find it strange that such intelligent people (and I mean that sincerely) get so bent out of shape over this.

If Snyder recruits a bunch of non-qualifiers, get mad.  If he recruits a bunch of kids at the last minute from Garden City or Hays, get mad.  But what he's doing now is what he did when we built the DOD.  I don't know why people hate on it so much.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2798 on: December 21, 2011, 04:02:46 PM »
This year's class is actually pretty solid when you mix the grayshirts in.

This is one of my most hated GPC talking points

You get 25 players.  When you put this 'class' with those guys, you look up and down, and you see 18 players thus far that look pretty solid.  There are some high ceiling guys in there.  All of them look like D1 athletes.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but if you think recruiting rankings are stupid (which I do, regardless of whether or not it's a tuck talking point), who cares how many stars a guy has?  If you can look at film and go, "Yeah, I see where and how he fits.  Good pull," then it's a good pull.

If you recruit a guy like Billy Cosh that makes no sense in your system, has no offers, and you have no idea why you offered him in the first place, you say, "Bad job."

Not all of Leach's classes were highly ranked either, but he killed it because he knew what he was looking for, and you could look at a Tech class and go, "Ah, yeah, that's a good class for him."  Same with Patterson.  If he pulled about thirteen running backs from Texas, you knew the defense was going to continue to kill it, regardless of the class ranking.

Why folks around here get hung up on football recruiting rankings makes no sense to me.  It's not like there's some mechanism like AAU for football that allows the elite to play against each other a hundred times outside of high school games.  It's all a crap shoot.  I find it strange that such intelligent people (and I mean that sincerely) get so bent out of shape over this.

If Snyder recruits a bunch of non-qualifiers, get mad.  If he recruits a bunch of kids at the last minute from Garden City or Hays, get mad.  But what he's doing now is what he did when we built the DOD.  I don't know why people hate on it so much.

This.  People on here that bitch about not having all 4 and 5 star recruits are simply rough ridin' morons.  It's even funnier in that Snyder already tried that and realized fairly quickly that it doesn't pay, not at KSU.  We just can't consistently land top recruits and it takes up too much time and energy to try, and come in second.  Some sane people realize that KSU isn't quite as glamorous as some of the other universities that the higher ranked recruits can select (Texas, USC, Ohio State, Florida, etc) and that some have the advantage of being the only major university in a state filled with football talent (LSU).

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #2799 on: December 21, 2011, 04:33:26 PM »
Remember, everyone who complains about recruiting thinks K-State should be landing nothing but 4 or 5 star kids.