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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1100 on: April 04, 2025, 11:11:06 AM »
BTW . . . the Chinese government subsidizes its manufacturing at 4X the rate of the same in the United States relative to the respective GDP of each, and even that's a misnomer because that's applying free market subsidization principles to what are ultimately entirely or almost entirely state owned enterprises in the case of China.




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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1101 on: April 04, 2025, 11:13:40 AM »
So you've changed your tactic from vats are unfair to American exports to vats are unfair to American domestic products and still don't understand why you're wrong about both?
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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1102 on: April 04, 2025, 11:16:53 AM »
So you've changed your tactic from vats are unfair to American exports to vats are unfair to American domestic products and still don't understand why you're wrong about both?

Nothing has changed about what I've said.

There are not VATS on any products sold in America stalker bot.

I've already outlined just a few of the copious ways that sales taxes are not collected at multiple points in the US supply as compared to the automatic application of VATS at every point in the supply chain in foreign markets.  Automatically applied VATS and tariffs for American products in numerous foreign market places.  Not a very hard concept to grasp, except for #blueanongE and you.

I'm about to sell thousands of dollars in products produced off shore, and not a single dime in sales tax will be collected in the final 3 phases of this transaction.

On average sales taxes as a % are lower than the % of most automatically applied VATS . . . still a concept that #blueanongE cannot grasp.






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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1103 on: April 04, 2025, 11:22:48 AM »
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« Reply #1104 on: April 04, 2025, 11:23:44 AM »
A trade deficit can also mean you’ve got a strong economy—people with cash to burn on imports. The U.S. dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency lets it run deficits without the chaos other nations might face; countries like Japan and China keep buying U.S. bonds to park their surpluses. Plus, imports often keep prices low—think $10 T-shirts at Walmart—which boosts living standards. Exports, meanwhile, were $2.5 trillion in 2024, with stuff like tech and planes still showing muscle.
The real kicker? Context. If the deficit’s paired with solid growth and investment—like the U.S. GDP chugging along at 2-3%—it’s less of a boogeyman. But if it’s masking stagnation or a hollowed-out industrial base, that’s where it stings. Data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis shows the deficit’s been a thing since the 1970s, yet the U.S. keeps humming. Compare that to, say, Turkey, where trade gaps have sparked currency crises—different ballgame.


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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1105 on: April 04, 2025, 11:24:30 AM »
Dang, thousands

It's one deal . . . that also comes with a large long term services contract.

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« Reply #1106 on: April 04, 2025, 11:28:26 AM »
A trade deficit can also mean you’ve got a strong economy—people with cash to burn on imports. The U.S. dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency lets it run deficits without the chaos other nations might face; countries like Japan and China keep buying U.S. bonds to park their surpluses. Plus, imports often keep prices low—think $10 T-shirts at Walmart—which boosts living standards. Exports, meanwhile, were $2.5 trillion in 2024, with stuff like tech and planes still showing muscle.
The real kicker? Context. If the deficit’s paired with solid growth and investment—like the U.S. GDP chugging along at 2-3%—it’s less of a boogeyman. But if it’s masking stagnation or a hollowed-out industrial base, that’s where it stings. Data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis shows the deficit’s been a thing since the 1970s, yet the U.S. keeps humming. Compare that to, say, Turkey, where trade gaps have sparked currency crises—different ballgame.

I have not said the deficit needs to be zero.

But there's simply no way a trillion dollar plus trade deficit is good . . . that means multiple important US sectors are getting hurt.

It's particularly important relative to the fact that the largest part of that deficit is flowing to a US geo-strategic adversary who subsidizes their industries at a massive scale, and that scale is watered down because "experts" keep applying free market subsidization principles to a nation state where the economy does not exist in anything close to what the free market is supposed to be.


https://www.wsj.com/world/china/the-u-s-has-been-spending-billions-to-revive-manufacturing-but-china-is-in-another-league-75ed6309

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ethankarp/2024/10/30/china-has-bought-its-way-to-the-top-of-the-manufacturing-industry-where-does-that-leave-america/




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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1107 on: April 04, 2025, 11:35:31 AM »
Ok so

US product-
Steps 1-5 in manufacturing process no sales tax and no tariffs
Step 6 tariff applied to export
Step 7-9 vats added to each step
Step 10 vat added to end user

Foreign product-
Steps 1-5 in manufacturing process vats added at each step
Step 6 not needed!
Step 7-9 vats added to each step
Step 10 vat added to end user


Or the reverse

US product-
Steps 1-5 in manufacturing process no sales tax and no tariffs
Step 6 not needed!
Step 7-9 no sales tax, no tariffs
Step 10 sales tax added to end user


Foreign product-
Steps 1-5 in manufacturing process vats added at each step
Step 6 possible tariff, likely vat refunds
Step 7-9 no sales tax
Step 10 sales tax added to end user.


Steps 7-10 are the exact same in either instance. This is literally as basic as it can be explained to you.
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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1108 on: April 04, 2025, 11:38:18 AM »
You've completely left out the take rate

You've completely left out the fact that there are numerous scenarios where sales taxes are not collected on foreign good in the supply chain vs the automatic nature of VATS.


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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1109 on: April 04, 2025, 11:40:18 AM »
Dax, do you think countries are collecting vats from the US for each step their product is used in the US supply chain?
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« Reply #1110 on: April 04, 2025, 11:43:35 AM »
I'm very familiar with sales tax exemptions as my industry was in fabrication and we paid no sales tax on materials and generally the end user was exempt as well. It's not a hard concept to follow. I don't know why you keep bringing it up.
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« Reply #1111 on: April 04, 2025, 11:44:52 AM »
Also these sales were in the 10's-100's of millions if we're bragging  :gocho:
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« Reply #1112 on: April 04, 2025, 11:46:09 AM »
I'm very familiar with sales tax exemptions as my industry was in fabrication and we paid no sales tax on materials and generally the end user was exempt as well. It's not a hard concept to follow. I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

Because you keep avoiding the reality that VATS are automatically applied in the vast majority of instances no matter what.  They are accessed at the national level in most instances.

Properly channeled deals in the United States can avoid state sales taxes entirely even it they don't involve tax exempt entities. 

You also keep avoiding the take rate.


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« Reply #1113 on: April 04, 2025, 11:46:40 AM »
Also these sales were in the 10's-100's of millions if we're bragging  :gocho:

I wasn't bragging.


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« Reply #1114 on: April 04, 2025, 11:48:41 AM »
Also these sales were in the 10's-100's of millions if we're bragging  :gocho:

I wasn't bragging.



No, of course not  ;)
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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1115 on: April 04, 2025, 11:49:01 AM »
I just want viewers of this blog to know, that I am sure that #blueanongE understands that 28% VATS (in some instances) are substantially higher as % then the US average sales tax rate of 7.5%

They're just being purposely obtuse




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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1116 on: April 04, 2025, 11:49:45 AM »
Dax, do you think countries are collecting vats from the US for each step their product is used in the US supply chain?
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« Reply #1117 on: April 04, 2025, 11:49:59 AM »
Also these sales were in the 10's-100's of millions if we're bragging  :gocho:

I wasn't bragging.



No, of course not  ;)

It was simply an example. I've sold deals worth millions upon millions of dollars and they weren't commodities.


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« Reply #1118 on: April 04, 2025, 11:51:49 AM »
Also these sales were in the 10's-100's of millions if we're bragging  :gocho:

I wasn't bragging.



No, of course not  ;)

It was simply an example. I've sold deals worth millions upon millions of dollars and they weren't commodities.

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Who said anything about commodities? Lol
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« Reply #1119 on: April 04, 2025, 11:52:13 AM »
Dax, do you think countries are collecting vats from the US for each step their product is used in the US supply chain?

No they aren't. Once a (one example) a US based distributor has bought the product from the foreign entity, the VATS stop.

Whereas VATS follow US products at every step in foreign markets

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« Reply #1120 on: April 04, 2025, 11:55:51 AM »
Dax, do you think countries are collecting vats from the US for each step their product is used in the US supply chain?

No they aren't. Once a (one example) a US based distributor has bought the product from the foreign entity, the VATS stop.

Whereas VATS follow US products at every step in foreign markets

 . . . and you're still completely avoiding the take rate










Do you have an example where a vat is not applied equally at those same steps for the non-us product?
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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1121 on: April 04, 2025, 11:59:45 AM »
Laying the groundwork for blaming this disaster on "globalists" "the deep state" "RINOs" "the mainstream media elites sowing panic"



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« Reply #1122 on: April 04, 2025, 12:00:27 PM »
Dax, do you think countries are collecting vats from the US for each step their product is used in the US supply chain?

No they aren't. Once a (one example) a US based distributor has bought the product from the foreign entity, the VATS stop.

Whereas VATS follow US products at every step in foreign markets

 . . . and you're still completely avoiding the take rate










Do you have an example where a vat is not applied equally at those same steps for the non-us product?

So it's your stance that the common/standard definition of a VAT as it relates to foreign markets is incorrect? That being that VATS are applied at every point of the supply chain in foreign markets until it reaches the ultimate end user.

Whereas, I've just gave you an example where the VAT chain in US markets is ultimately broken before it reaches the ultimate end user.

. . . and you're still completely avoiding the take rate  :lol: :lol:



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« Reply #1123 on: April 04, 2025, 12:04:13 PM »
Dax, do you think countries are collecting vats from the US for each step their product is used in the US supply chain?

No they aren't. Once a (one example) a US based distributor has bought the product from the foreign entity, the VATS stop.

Whereas VATS follow US products at every step in foreign markets

 . . . and you're still completely avoiding the take rate










Do you have an example where a vat is not applied equally at those same steps for the non-us product?

So it's your stance that the common/standard definition of a VAT as it relates to foreign markets is incorrect? That being that VATS are applied at every point of the supply chain in foreign markets until it reaches the ultimate end user.

Whereas, I've just gave you an example where the VAT chain in US markets is ultimately broken before it reaches the ultimate end user.

. . . and you're still completely avoiding the take rate  :lol: :lol:




No, my stance is YOU are incorrect.

The rates are of no importance because they are applied equally. It's very simple to understand.
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Re: Mainstream Economics Thread
« Reply #1124 on: April 04, 2025, 12:12:53 PM »
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