Anyone else notice the correlation of JO playing and losing the lead?

[sys]

Pervis Pasco was really good. He would most likely be a starter on any KSU team since he left.

yeah, he was.

[sys]

Yes. Having great hands already would leave less room for improvement, and he wouldn't have the same length advantage that he has now. Seriously, JO is very raw, but when he does something right, he looks really good doing it.

thanks for helping me understand you people.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yes. Having great hands already would leave less room for improvement, and he wouldn't have the same length advantage that he has now. Seriously, JO is very raw, but when he does something right, he looks really good doing it.

thanks for helping me understand you people.

You're welcome.

[Clevey 2 Times]

Pervis Pasco was really good. He would most likely be a starter on any KSU team since he left.

yeah, he was.

Except for the mental side of the game, yes he was good. My point was to say that if a guy like Pasco who is more athletic than Henriquez, couldn't sniff the League, then Jordan will have no chance.

[CNS]

7' vs 6'-9"

[MakeItRain]

I think JO has a higher ceiling than anybody else on the team. He's a 7 footer who is willing to attack the basket aggressively, and that is pretty rare. Will he ever reach his potential? Doubtful, but it seems pretty dumb to hate on him as a sophomore.

if he was 6'6", 260 with great hands would you think he had a lower ceiling?

IMO his ceiling/upside, as I've mentioned several times, comes from his aggression.  His issues are correctable, will they be the hands thing should have been fixed already. 

[wabash909]

Pervis Pasco was really good. He would most likely be a starter on any KSU team since he left.

yeah, he was.

Except for the mental side of the game, yes he was good. My point was to say that if a guy like Pasco who is more athletic than Henriquez, couldn't sniff the League, then Jordan will have no chance.

Stop the Pasco/JO comparisons please.

In terms of intelligence, he was no more stupid than Samuels or Kelly.

In terms of basketball ability, I'd actually take him 100% of the time over Jam Sam, who you ought to be comparing him to.

[kso_FAN]

Pervis Pasco was really good. He would most likely be a starter on any KSU team since he left.

yeah, he was.

Except for the mental side of the game, yes he was good. My point was to say that if a guy like Pasco who is more athletic than Henriquez, couldn't sniff the League, then Jordan will have no chance.

Stop the Pasco/JO comparisons please.

In terms of intelligence, he was no more stupid than Samuels or Kelly.

In terms of basketball ability, I'd actually take him 100% of the time over Jam Sam, who you ought to be comparing him to.

Yeah, some of these comparisons are silly.

We've never really had a player like JHR on the roster. You have to consider his length, I mean really the only fair comparisons are Hughes or Bennett, but neither was nearly as athletic.

Pasco comparisons are tough b/c he was more of a back to the basket type player and a good athlete. Probably closest to Kelly on this team, not as skilled, but probably more of a banger/physical.

Samuels comparison is probably Massey b/c both are undersized guys that don't have a lot of perimeter skill. Massey was much more of a scorer, Samuels probably a better rebounder defender.

[wabash909]

Pervis Pasco was really good. He would most likely be a starter on any KSU team since he left.

yeah, he was.

Except for the mental side of the game, yes he was good. My point was to say that if a guy like Pasco who is more athletic than Henriquez, couldn't sniff the League, then Jordan will have no chance.

Stop the Pasco/JO comparisons please.

In terms of intelligence, he was no more stupid than Samuels or Kelly.

In terms of basketball ability, I'd actually take him 100% of the time over Jam Sam, who you ought to be comparing him to.

Yeah, some of these comparisons are silly.

We've never really had a player like JHR on the roster. You have to consider his length, I mean really the only fair comparisons are Hughes or Bennett, but neither was nearly as athletic.

Pasco comparisons are tough b/c he was more of a back to the basket type player and a good athlete. Probably closest to Kelly on this team, not as skilled, but probably more of a banger/physical.

Samuels comparison is probably Massey b/c both are undersized guys that don't have a lot of perimeter skill. Massey was much more of a scorer, Samuels probably a better rebounder defender.

Pasco was a damn good player - loved the guy.

It's too bad his entire career was overshadowed by one boneheaded play, because he was a solid big man for us.

[kougar24]

I think JO has a higher ceiling than anybody else on the team. He's a 7 footer who is willing to attack the basket aggressively, and that is pretty rare. Will he ever reach his potential? Doubtful, but it seems pretty dumb to hate on him as a sophomore.

if he was 6'6", 260 with great hands would you think he had a lower ceiling?

Yes. Having great hands already would leave less room for improvement, and he wouldn't have the same length advantage that he has now. Seriously, JO is very raw, but when he does something right, he looks really good doing it.

JO's hands aren't going to improve over the next two years. They are what they're always going to be.

[pissclams]

i don't think his hands are bad enough to warrant a hands talking point.  bigger issue is what he tries to do with the ball when he catches. 

teach him to keep his elbows out and the ball up when he catches, and never really dribble, and the hands talking point will go away.

[CNS]

Sometimes hands are more of an attention/focus issue, which is easily overcome with practice and experience.  Especially for big men.  Common for them to want to catch it and hurry up and do something with it as quick as possible when they are young. 

I am on the JO wagon until further notice.

Also, cannot overstate how I like his want to dribble drive.  Love this.

[kougar24]

i don't think his hands are bad enough to warrant a hands talking point.  bigger issue is what he tries to do with the ball when he catches. 

teach him to keep his elbows out and the ball up when he catches, and never really dribble, and the hands talking point will go away.

That would be a big win in the JO Development Process, but I don't see him ever accepting that with his obvious adoration for dribbling basketballs.

[Poster formerly known as jthutch]

i don't think his hands are bad enough to warrant a hands talking point.  bigger issue is what he tries to do with the ball when he catches. 

teach him to keep his elbows out and the ball up when he catches, and never really dribble, and the hands talking point will go away.

That would be a big win in the JO Development Process, but I don't see him ever accepting that with his obvious adoration for dribbling basketballs.

Yeah and it makes it hard for him to dunk on bitches.

[yoga-like_abana]

Likes: Tall, Great Dancer(teach me how to bernie), Anorexic Shaq, Goomba, 3pt contest @ Madness in Manhattan

[Rage Against the McKee]

JO's hands aren't going to improve over the next two years. They are what they're always going to be.

If he just spends an hour a day catching medicine balls that somebody chucks at him all offseason, the hands talking point will go away.

[michigancat]

There's this guy at the Y, that every time a shot is missed, he yells "GRAB IT!" as if everyone on his team is not trying to.

[sonofdaxjones]

In terms of JO's hands, you do you form a saying in the same realm of "If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball"

[kougar24]

JO's hands aren't going to improve over the next two years. They are what they're always going to be.

If he just spends an hour a day catching medicine balls that somebody chucks at him all offseason, the hands talking point will go away.

Or he'll repeatedly break his nose and/or collarbone, and we'll have a whole new talking point in addition to his horrible hands.

[sys]

We've never really had a player like JHR on the roster. You have to consider his length, I mean really the only fair comparisons are Hughes or Bennett, but neither was nearly as athletic.

hughes was considerably more athletic, unless perhaps you include endurance as an element of athleticism.  maybe not quite as long.


also suffered from poor hands relative to his other physical gifts.  i'm not aware of many/any players that developed from poor handed underclassmen to good handed upperclassmen.  i don't think that happens.

[kso_FAN]

We've never really had a player like JHR on the roster. You have to consider his length, I mean really the only fair comparisons are Hughes or Bennett, but neither was nearly as athletic.

hughes was considerably more athletic, unless perhaps you include endurance as an element of athleticism.  maybe not quite as long.

Yeah, I hedged on Hughes being less athletic, I don't know that I'd go so far to say he was considerably more though. And yes, his amazing lack of endurance was factored in.

[Trim]

We've never really had a player like JHR on the roster. You have to consider his length, I mean really the only fair comparisons are Hughes or Bennett, but neither was nearly as athletic.

hughes was considerably more athletic, unless perhaps you include endurance as an element of athleticism.  maybe not quite as long.


also suffered from poor hands relative to his other physical gifts.  i'm not aware of many/any players that developed from poor handed underclassmen to good handed upperclassmen.  i don't think that happens.

Tyler Hughes' hands, or at least hand, was awesome when doing the horns-down sign.  When committing sex offenses, not so much.

[sys]

Yeah, I hedged on Hughes being less athletic, I don't know that I'd go so far to say he was considerably more though. And yes, his amazing lack of endurance was factored in.

i include strength.  if it is restricted to just quickness/hops/balance, then i'd change it to slightly more athletic.

[mcmwcat]

We've never really had a player like JHR on the roster. You have to consider his length, I mean really the only fair comparisons are Hughes or Bennett, but neither was nearly as athletic.

hughes was considerably more athletic, unless perhaps you include endurance as an element of athleticism.  maybe not quite as long.


also suffered from poor hands relative to his other physical gifts.  i'm not aware of many/any players that developed from poor handed underclassmen to good handed upperclassmen.  i don't think that happens.

yeah. i see good-soft-hands as more of a natural ability than learned.

you also have to have the ability to take a lot of contact and be able catch/grab the ball to be considered to have good hands.  doubt JHR will ever be that guy no matter how hard he works at it.

[Dugout DickStone]

Now a starter?