Southwell/McGruder/Samuels

[WillieWatanabe]

Jesus people. Go get a rough ridin' time machine.

[MakeItRain]

Dumb thread. Being pissed about which combo of crappy guards Frank plays is  :powerespect:  if you are going to be pissed at Frank, be pissed at him for not recruiting a decent guard. Other than that, when you get your fancy stats that are going to blow us away, take a look at Jamar and Rodney's.

I have mentioned several times that this team has 7 shooting guards and 1/2 of a real point guard (Myles).  Frank obviously agrees with me that his guard rotation was stupid, he neglected it in the first half.  It's too bad he doesn't value the full 40 minutes the way he should.

[catzacker]

I would have rathered to have seen Denmon or Dixon our there, unfortunately, Frank lost those battles or didn't even attempt them.  We lost all these games we're losing this year long ago.  It's Frank's terrible f'ing recruiting that is f*cking us and if you look forward, will continue to f*ck us.  That and he's gotten nothing out of a 5* forward except some nice dunks before games in the Octagon of Overratedness.

[MakeItRain]

peterson and myles played like ten minutes between them.  and anyways, of those four, i'd rather see peterson.  he's entertaining.

Again, it was not that they played, it's who they played with.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Maybe Frank should have coached the second half like he did the first. We tied the first half, after all.

[MakeItRain]

3/5 of the starting line up combined for 3-12 from the field, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 1 steal, 8 turnovers, 12 fouls, 8 points, a +/- of -8,251,926.

Would have won despite that, but the head coach decided that Will Spradling, Juevol Myles, and Devon Peterson could play extended minutes.  Idiot.  Nick and 'Tay don't deserve this cac, I hope they quit today.

Weak argument. All of these guys are basically on the same level, more or less. You really telling me you want to see Russell out there for extended minutes? Bah.

First half guard combos and KSU points scored

Peterson, Southwell, and Spradling on the court together for 1:50 before the first media timeout - Not surprisingly 2 points scored at in that timeframe

Peterson, Myles, and Spradling on the court together for 1:48 between 11:02-9:14 4 points by Kelly (no assists from the guards, both baskets offensive rebounds from Myles misses) The guards contributed 3 missed shots, 1 turnover, 0 assists, 0 rebounds

There were other times when two of the four guys who rarely play were on the court at the same time.  Nick Russell came in the game at the 6:40 mark, KSU had 17 points scored/24 allowed, 8 FGs, 6 TOs, and 3 assists (2 of the 3 from Curtis Kelly, one by a guard, Southwell) in 13:20 minutes of play

The last 6:40, after Russell came in 12 points scored/5 allowed, 2 TOs, both by Spradling.  I also assure you that if you look at the game again you will also see that the guard combo of Nick, Jake, and Martavious also played very good defensively the last couple of minutes of the half.  Frank repaid that guard combo by not putting them on the court together again in the second half, not for a second. Nick played for 1:32, between the 14:02-12:40 mark of the second half.  He sat him and then inexplicably put him in on a defensive possession with :59 seconds left of a two point game after essentially benching him for the second half.  And he wondered why he committed a dumb foul on the same possession?  Dude probably had no idea that he was going in, why not bring in Wally and VO as well, would have been just as random.

[CatsFan_58]

Grudsy pulled a disappearing act, like straight Jamar style.

[CatsFan_58]

im beginning to think the "bad guard combo" bit is something we say to make ourselves feel better. it does not matter who goes out on the floor. they are all going to play rough ridin' stupid.

It's quite goddamn simple, would you rather see Peterson and Myles or Russell and Irving.  Frank obviously also thought playing those crap players was stupid too since he didn't play either of them in the second half.  He used the first 15 minutes of the half as a science experiment.  It would have been nice if he coached it like someone who didn't want to go 1-4 in conference play.

I understand what you are saying, all I am saying is that its dumb. There has been no second guard that has stepped up because they are all stupid and/or suck. There is no "better guard combo".

[Cartierfor3]

Had a lot of good looks from 3 when it was tied late.

could have used a guy to hit a 3 when we needed it down the stretch in college station......

Can we go ahead and get over this?

[CHONGS]

Had a lot of good looks from 3 when it was tied late.

could have used a guy to hit a 3 when we needed it down the stretch in college station......

Can we go ahead and get over this?

They never will, its too ingrained a talking point by now.

[catzacker]

Had a lot of good looks from 3 when it was tied late.

could have used a guy to hit a 3 when we needed it down the stretch in college station......

Can we go ahead and get over this?

he's a metaphor for frank's recruiting.

[Trim]

Had a lot of good looks from 3 when it was tied late.

could have used a guy to hit a 3 when we needed it down the stretch in college station......

Can we go ahead and get over this?

he's a metaphor for frank's recruiting.

Open Scholarship?

[kso_FAN]

Had a lot of good looks from 3 when it was tied late.

could have used a guy to hit a 3 when we needed it down the stretch in college station......

Can we go ahead and get over this?

They never will, its too ingrained a talking point by now.

Yeah, the question really is who is worse/better; Fred or open scholarship?  

[michigancat]

Running off Fred Brown and replacing him with Myles/Peterson/Spradling/Irving/Russell does far more damage the team than anything Frank could possibly do over a course of a season.  Frank's substitution patterns or overplaying defense or fouling or "set plays" or whatever the dipshit post-loss talking points are just don't matter.

[sonofdaxjones]

It's pretty clear that Frank is going to have to develop a little patience.

There's no way you run off a Fred Brown type who can help lift you out of the offensive doldrums just because the guy doesn't play perfect rough ridin' defense out there every second. 

Outside of Kelly, JaSam and JHR gave us nothing today, but Wally Judge gets a minute.  He goes from being a starter, to getting 1 minute in 2 games.   

This is just completely mumped up and there's no way any Frankite can possibly apologize their way out this . . . I am tired of hearing about "oh but you see he's lost out there on defense" . . . well, here's a newsflash, there's a lot of guys on this team that are lost out there on defense a lot of the time.   

Frank is a rough ridin' nutcase playing high school head games with these kids.

[wetwillie]

It's pretty clear that Frank is going to have to develop a little patience.

There's no way you run off a Fred Brown type who can help lift you out of the offensive doldrums just because the guy doesn't play perfect effing defense out there every second. 

Outside of Kelly, JaSam and JHR gave us nothing today, but Wally Judge gets a minute.  He goes from being a starter, to getting 1 minute in 2 games.   

This is just completely effed up and there's no way any Frankite can possibly apologize their way out this . . . I am tired of hearing about "oh but you see he's lost out there on defense" . . . well, here's a newsflash, there's a lot of guys on this team that are lost out there on defense a lot of the time.   

Frank is a effing nutcase playing high school head games with these kids.

Wally is sad, this is why he does not play.  Frank missed on a point guard for the impending void clemente would leave, I think this is a good place to focus your criticism.

[theymightbegiants]

Frank missed alot of things including setting a starting five and sticking to them. He is a young coach and it sucks to be a fan right now but this season is a learning experience for all. Next year guys, next year lol. FFL frank for life

[MakeItRain]

Running off Fred Brown and replacing him with Myles/Peterson/Spradling/Irving/Russell does far more damage the team than anything Frank could possibly do over a course of a season.  Frank's substitution patterns or overplaying defense or fouling or "set plays" or whatever the dipshit post-loss talking points are just don't matter.

Frank's in game blunders don't matter because of his roster mismanagement?  That makes no since.  If the damage was done two years ago, why watch?  Fred Brown has been gone for two seasons, I couldn't give a crap, I wish he would focus on getting the most out of this roster.

[sys]

i hope martin runs russell off.  nothing against russell personally, but i don't like his fans.


also, peterson needs a 'ship to help pay for his english bulldog puppy.

[WillieWatanabe]

I hope Frank doesn't run anyone off....they'll just be used as a talking point 3 years from now.

[Cire]

Tav and Nick are gone next year.

[MakeItRain]

i hope martin runs russell off.  nothing against russell personally, but i don't like his fans

He has fans?

[Stevesie60]

I hope Frank doesn't run anyone off....they'll just be used as a talking point 3 years from now.

lol

[sys]

He has fans?

yeah.  they walk around bramlage telling each other how obvious his talent is, and wondering how lazy he must practice to not get 30 minutes a game.

[sys]

here's one from gpcland.  he's talking about russell in the second quote too.

If we are going to beat Baylor then Nick Russell HAS TO play.

He is the only guy other than Jake and Curtis that can create his own shot. He has a very good mid range pull up jumper and he can get it off with this size. Baylor goes 6'4, 6'5, 6'9, 6'8 and 6'10" in their starting lineup. We will need some size against these guys, and Nick has to play, they won't run a pressure defense against us and if Frank let's him play, he will have a great game...but he probably won't, and Lace Dunn will drain 8 threes and we will get killed on the boards b/c we will be playing a small lineup.

The fact is frank has a kid that was highly recruited with nba size and athleticism, and he is sitting on the bench while we lose and lose and lose.