Author Topic: the argument for mike leach right now (Read 79855 times)

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #100 on:** January 26, 2011, 02:37:25 PM »

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530

steve dave · « **Reply #101 on:** January 26, 2011, 02:42:42 PM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on January 26, 2011, 02:37:25 PM

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530

nicely done nk

michigancat · « **Reply #102 on:** January 26, 2011, 02:43:51 PM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on January 26, 2011, 02:37:25 PM

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #103 on:** January 26, 2011, 02:54:56 PM »

I'm confused by your replies.

Mike Leach hired Lyle Setencich and employed him for 5 years as his defensive coordinator. FIVE YEARS!

Then he hired Ruffin McNeill who was slightly better...but not much.

If we hire Mike Leach he'll probably keep Cosh as DC.

The Whale · « **Reply #104 on:** January 26, 2011, 02:55:41 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 01:53:23 PM

Quote from: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 11:16:17 AM
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For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.

Where do you get this idea?

From Lyle Setencich

sounds like a loser

wow, shocking that I nailed it.

Turns out he's the DC Leach fired midseason because he sucked.

CNS · « **Reply #105 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:00:11 PM »

Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat.

In a heart Beat.

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #106 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:06:05 PM »

Quote from: CNS Casey on January 26, 2011, 03:00:11 PM

Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat.

In a heart Beat.

Really????

Can you name the school with the worst defense in Div 1 football this year? And can you tell me the name of that school's head coach?

Thanks, I'll listen off the air.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #107 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:07:33 PM »

Quote from: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:06:05 PM

Quote from: CNS Casey on January 26, 2011, 03:00:11 PM
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat.

In a heart Beat.

Really????

Can you name the school with the worst defense in Div 1 football this year? And can you tell me the name of that school's head coach?

Thanks, I'll listen off the air.

Kansas State, LHC Bill Snyder

CNS · « **Reply #108 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:11:09 PM »

Quote from: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:06:05 PM

Quote from: CNS Casey on January 26, 2011, 03:00:11 PM
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat.

In a heart Beat.

Really????

Can you name the school with the worst defense in Div 1 football this year? And can you tell me the name of that school's head coach?

Thanks, I'll listen off the air.

Ruffin did a great job with the D under leach.

Quote

Defensive improvements
With McNeill at the defensive helm, the Red Raiders' defense improved in every defensive category.[5] Under Setencich, Tech ranked seventh in pass defense, ninth in total defense, and tenth in scoring defense in Big 12 Conference play. In nine games with McNeill, Tech improved to first in pass and total defense and fourth in scoring defense.[10] The Red Raiders forced more punts and allowed fewer rushing and passing yards than they did to begin the season.[11] These vast improvements in the defense led Leach to drop the interim tag and make McNeill the full-time defensive coordinator.[11]

From Wikipedia. I know it isn't a great source, but this fit my need and it was easy.

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #109 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:13:48 PM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on January 26, 2011, 03:07:33 PM

Quote from: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: CNS Casey on January 26, 2011, 03:00:11 PM
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat.

In a heart Beat.

Really????

Can you name the school with the worst defense in Div 1 football this year? And can you tell me the name of that school's head coach?

Thanks, I'll listen off the air.

Kansas State, LHC Bill Snyder

Close, but no.

I'll give you a hint...they gave up 76 points in a home loss to Navy and 62 in their loss at Rice. They held exactly three of their 13 opponents to less than 40 points...anyone?

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #110 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:16:57 PM »

They held exactly THREE of their THIRTEEN opponents to less than FORTY points.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #111 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:26:06 PM »

Quote from: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:16:57 PM

They held exactly THREE of their THIRTEEN opponents to less than FORTY points.

ECU allowed 6.5 yards per play. KSU allowed 6.4 yards per play.

Ruffin McNeil was head coach of ECU (in his first year), not defensive coordinator. If you think that it is impressive for a BCS program to have a defense that is just a hair better than the ECU's and ULM's of the world, more power to you, I guess.

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #112 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:38:09 PM »

LHC Bill Snyder is the head coach at KSU, not defensive coordinator. He has never coached a team that gave up 76 points in a game. Ever. Especially to a service academy.

BTW, I have nothing personal against Ruffin McNeill and I hope he has a speedy recovery from the bariatric surgery that he elected to have right in the middle of the recruiting season.

michigancat · « **Reply #113 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:51:11 PM »

Quote from: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 02:54:56 PM

I'm confused by your replies.

Mike Leach hired Lyle Setencich and employed him for 5 years as his defensive coordinator. FIVE YEARS!

Then he hired Ruffin McNeill who was slightly better...but not much.

If we hire Mike Leach he'll probably keep Cosh as DC.

I agree that Leach should have fired your loser Uncle Lyle sooner. By firing Lyle midseason, Leach showed growth and risk-taking as a coach, which I like. I don't see how this translates to keeping Cosh as DC or somehow makes Lyle's opinion on Leach valid, but whatever.

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #114 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:53:44 PM »

wanna guess who Ruffin McNeill's defensive coordinator worked for before Ruffin hired him? (BTW, he is still employed by ECU)

That's right. He was Mike Leach's DB coach for 4 years. http://www.ecupirates.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mitchell_brian00.html

You still think it can't get worse than Chris Cosh? You are wrong.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #115 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:55:10 PM »

Quote from: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:38:09 PM

LHC Bill Snyder is the head coach at KSU, not defensive coordinator. He has never coached a team that gave up 76 points in a game. Ever. Especially to a service academy.

BTW, I have nothing personal against Ruffin McNeill and I hope he has a speedy recovery from the bariatric surgery that he elected to have right in the middle of the recruiting season.

It's a whole lot different when a service academy scores 76 points against teams like ECU than it would be if they did it to K-State. Also, once again, McNeill didn't coordinate that defense. The job he did at Tech was remarkable when you consider the amount of time any Mike Leach coached defense is going to be on the field.

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #116 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:59:59 PM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on January 26, 2011, 03:55:10 PM

It's a whole lot different when a service academy scores 76 points against teams like ECU than it would be if they did it to K-State.

Why? Are you trying to argue that our defensive players have more talent than the ECU players? I find that very hard to believe.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #117 on:** January 26, 2011, 04:01:22 PM »

Quote from: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:59:59 PM

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on January 26, 2011, 03:55:10 PM

It's a whole lot different when a service academy scores 76 points against teams like ECU than it would be if they did it to K-State.

Why? Are you trying to argue that our defensive players have more talent than the ECU players? I find that very hard to believe.

And why is it that our defensive players don't have more talent than ECU players? Is it because Cosh and Snyder are shitty recruiters? You aren't helping your case here.

michigancat · « **Reply #118 on:** January 26, 2011, 04:03:19 PM »

Total defense in conference games only:

KSU 10: 466.6 YPG (11th), 6.5 YPP (9th)
KSU 09: 389.3 YPG (8th), 5.9 YPP (10th)

TT 09: 338.9 YPG (5th), 4.8 YPP (5th)
TT 08: 384.4 YPG (3rd), 5.8 YPP (5th)
TT 07: 409.4 YPG (5th), 5.2 YPP (3rd)

Yeah, pretty much the same as Cosh.

CNS · « **Reply #119 on:** January 26, 2011, 04:07:44 PM »

No one is saying that Cosh is the absolute worst human in the nation when it comes to DC ability.

Everyone saying is that he is a horrible DC.

Difference.

He is well below the average in our league.

Enough to fire his ass.

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #120 on:** January 26, 2011, 04:16:51 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 04:03:19 PM

Total defense in conference games only:

KSU 10: 466.6 YPG (11th), 6.5 YPP (9th)
KSU 09: 389.3 YPG (8th), 5.9 YPP (10th)

TT 09: 338.9 YPG (5th), 4.8 YPP (5th)
TT 08: 384.4 YPG (3rd), 5.8 YPP (5th)
TT 07: 409.4 YPG (5th), 5.2 YPP (3rd)

Yeah, pretty much the same as Cosh.

You are comparing a staff that had been established for 10 years against a staff that was cleaning up Ron Prince's mess. Apples to Oranges.

When the core of Leach's defensive staff went to ECU they took the 71st best defense in D1 football and turned them into the absolute worst defense in the country. They took over a team that did not allow a single team to score 40 points against them in 2009 and they let 10 out of 13 opponents score more than 40 points against them in 2010.

Do you know how many teams have scored 40 or more on KSU in the last two years? Less than 10. That's how many.

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #121 on:** January 26, 2011, 04:22:23 PM »

Quote from: CNS Casey on January 26, 2011, 04:07:44 PM

No one is saying that Cosh is the absolute worst human in the nation when it comes to DC ability.

Everyone saying is that he is a horrible DC.

Difference.

He is well below the average in our league.

Enough to fire his ass.

I completely agree. This thread is about Mike Leach.

I'm just pointing out the sad but obvious fact that Mike Leach has never employed a better DC than Chris Cosh.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #122 on:** January 26, 2011, 04:24:14 PM »

Going by points allowed is not a good method of evaluating a defense.

michigancat · « **Reply #123 on:** January 26, 2011, 04:29:32 PM »

Quote from: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 04:16:51 PM

Quote from: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 04:03:19 PM
Total defense in conference games only:

KSU 10: 466.6 YPG (11th), 6.5 YPP (9th)
KSU 09: 389.3 YPG (8th), 5.9 YPP (10th)

TT 09: 338.9 YPG (5th), 4.8 YPP (5th)
TT 08: 384.4 YPG (3rd), 5.8 YPP (5th)
TT 07: 409.4 YPG (5th), 5.2 YPP (3rd)

Yeah, pretty much the same as Cosh.

You are comparing a staff that had been established for 10 years against a staff that was cleaning up Ron Prince's mess. Apples to Oranges.

When the core of Leach's defensive staff went to ECU they took the 71st best defense in D1 football and turned them into the absolute worst defense in the country. They took over a team that did not allow a single team to score 40 points against them in 2009 and they let 10 out of 13 opponents score more than 40 points against them in 2010.

Do you know how many teams have scored 40 or more on KSU in the last two years? Less than 10. That's how many.

That's some cute irrelevant bullshit. How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?

*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons

Ira Hayes · « **Reply #124 on:** January 26, 2011, 04:29:59 PM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on January 26, 2011, 04:24:14 PM

Going by points allowed is not a good method of evaluating a defense.

You prefer a swimsuit competition?