2) snyder is just "calming the waters"- he is old and apparently only came back to calm things until a suitable replacement could be found. people who he and the staff are recruiting against are using this against him and his staff. ex.-"hey there 18 yr old four star! why would you go to kansas state when their coach is old and has publicly said that he is just there to "calm the waters"? "
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
Leach is weird and piratey and hits kids.
OK, but is there ANY reason to think Leach might consider coaching at tKSU? :dunno: Maybe it's in another thread and I missed it.
OK, but is there ANY reason to think Leach might consider coaching at tKSU? :dunno: Maybe it's in another thread and I missed it.
OK, but is there ANY reason to think Leach might consider coaching at tKSU? :dunno: Maybe it's in another thread and I missed it.
Yeah. See the article where he was begging for every open BCS job and only got a sniff at Maryland.
OK, but is there ANY reason to think Leach might consider coaching at tKSU? :dunno: Maybe it's in another thread and I missed it.
he took the head coaching job at texas tech was interested in coaching maryland. i mean seriously. i don't know the guy personally and don't know what makes him tick but he comes of as a guy that would take a job just for the fun of it to prove some things. especially in a conference that he previously spent time in (ten years). besides, he's fifty. who exactly is going to hire him with his "baggage"? georgia? florida? usc? lol. wait...what's that? kstate you say? kstate might want to hire him? ok. lets do it.
not going to happen so why even talk about it.
I give this thread :katpak: :katpak: :katpak:
not going to happen so why even talk about it.
I give this thread :katpak: :katpak: :katpak:
if your scale is a possible three katpaks then i agree. go cats. it is also an open invitation for anyone to argue pro snyder given our current situation that we are in. i mean, this is not twenty years ago and bill himself has publicly stated that he is just here to calm waters. they are calm. very. and bill deserves our thanks and undying gratitude for coming out of retirement to do what he did. now is the time to move on though and leach should be the target and we should go after him in full on attack mode.
I agree that nothing will happen this season with Bill.
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.
The unknown is much less scary than our guaranteed suck
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.
The unknown is much less scary than our guaranteed suck
I swear, our older fanbase is like a battered women's shelter. It's like we're happy that he's just not hitting us in the face anymore and we're convinced that no one else could ever love us. In the meantime, we've grown to emotionally need the now quotidian beatings. Because we've deserve them.
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.
The unknown is much less scary than our guaranteed suck
I swear, our older fanbase is like a battered women's shelter. It's like we're happy that he's just not hitting us in the face anymore and we're convinced that no one else could ever love us. In the meantime, we've grown to emotionally need the now quotidian beatings. Because we've deserve them.
Somebody just needs to tell them that they are fulfilling every single stereotype that KU fans throw in their faces. They're the metaphorical Uncle Toms helping the University of Kansas. Once they finally understand this, then we can start making progress as an athletic program and a university as a whole.
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.
The unknown is much less scary than our guaranteed suck
I swear, our older fanbase is like a battered women's shelter. It's like we're happy that he's just not hitting us in the face anymore and we're convinced that no one else could ever love us. In the meantime, we've grown to emotionally need the now quotidian beatings. Because we've deserve them.
Somebody just needs to tell them that they are fulfilling every single stereotype that KU fans throw in their faces. They're the metaphorical Uncle Toms helping the University of Kansas. Once they finally understand this, then we can start making progress as an athletic program and a university as a whole.
I remember when everyone said there is no way KSU could hire Huggins. It was pointless to talk about. He wasn't a Weiser guy.
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.
The unknown is much less scary than our guaranteed suck
We are a hot tub away from a Viagra commercial.
eff our dumbshit fans.
Mike Leach.
Christ.
The Fire Cosh signs at the bball games need to be...pro-Leach? Just kind of need to start sweeping Bill under the rug and not go after him with a billboard.
I agree that nothing will happen this season with Bill.
THIS IS THE cac THAT PISSES ME OFF. Why not? Why won't something happen? I know it's not Currie. He wants to hire a HC more than anything on this earth. You knwo what it is? It's Bill because he's busy working on a pencil version of an excel spreadsheet to derive the best way to get Sean in the HC spot. Currie doesn't yet have the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) KSU fanbase in his pocket to the point he can fire or force out the man the stadium is named after (eff you wefald) and it's up to us to make him know he does. Sure, money talks. But, I know tons of rich effs that don't like Bill as our current HC. Hell, I bet Jack Vanier would fist pump his ass off if we got Mike Leach at the helm.
How many BCS games has Leach gone to? How many times has he won the South?? He ran a gimmick offense and never had a defense, until they ran him out of town. Using the logic that he beat us 4 out of 5 times should mean Texas should hire LHC Bill Snyder (or Ron Prince). Snyder took Prince guys to a bowl game...Prince didn't recruit Thomas as a running back. Snyder isn't the long term solution, but neither is Leach.
How many BCS games has Leach gone to? How many times has he won the South?? He ran a gimmick offense and never had a defense, until they ran him out of town. Using the logic that he beat us 4 out of 5 times should mean Texas should hire LHC Bill Snyder (or Ron Prince). Snyder took Prince guys to a bowl game...Prince didn't recruit Thomas as a running back. Snyder isn't the long term solution, but neither is Leach.
We should get someone who can beat Texas and Oklahoma consistently.
How many BCS games has Leach gone to? How many times has he won the South?? He ran a gimmick offense and never had a defense, until they ran him out of town. Using the logic that he beat us 4 out of 5 times should mean Texas should hire LHC Bill Snyder (or Ron Prince). Snyder took Prince guys to a bowl game...Prince didn't recruit Thomas as a running back. Snyder isn't the long term solution, but neither is Leach.
Basically, here's the argument:
Leach's consistent top 20 finishes aren't good enough for us, so we should stick with Snyder's .500 seasons until we find someone that can consistently finish in the top 10 at Kansas State.
Makes sense.
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=7131.msg154804#msg154804
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=7131.msg154804#msg154804
a season of nebraska-like games would be fantastic.
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=7131.msg154804#msg154804
a season of nebraska-like games would be fantastic.
If it came to it, would OB sacrifice Cosh to save his job next season?
I could see a press conference next offseason where OB is near tears lamenting fans demand for instant gratification as he announces Cosh's termination. By doing that, he'd re-win over all of the 'tucks and guarantee himself another couple of years.
I hope KSU goes undefeated and Bill retires in a blaze of glory handing the title of head coach off to an excited invigorated bran-eating Urban Meyer.
TIME FOR URBAN TO GO RURAL.
this is a good argument right now, but i think i will wait to see if there is a better argument in the future. i'd also like to see if this argument right now sounds worse in the future.off topic, but why does your devil guy have bandages on his ears?
It's a brutal Big 12 South that we'll be playing every year. He never came out of there alive. We should get someone who can beat Texas and Oklahoma consistently. Prince's players should be gone. If we're mediocre next season, let's have these talks.
Basically, here's the argument:
Leach's consistent top 20 finishes aren't good enough for us, so we should stick with Snyder's .500 seasons until we find someone that can consistently finish in the top 10 at Kansas State.
Makes sense.
It's a brutal Big 12 South that we'll be playing every year. He never came out of there alive. We should get someone who can beat Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma consistently. Prince's players should be gone. If we're mediocre next season, let's have these talks.fypfyyw
this is a good argument right now, but i think i will wait to see if there is a better argument in the future. i'd also like to see if this argument right now sounds worse in the future.off topic, but why does your devil guy have bandages on his ears?
thanks i'll listen off air.
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
KSU vs Big12 Avg scores. 2008: KSU 28 Big12 42.375 -14.375 2009: KSU 22.75 Big12 27 -4.25 2010: KSU 38.375 Big12 30.25 +8.125.
2008: -14.375
2009: -4.25
2010: +8.125
diff between huggs and leach is that we were actually actively searching for a coach when huggs was hired. We won't be looking for a coach for 2 years.This is rough ridin' depressing.
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
HERE IS YOUR REASON!QuoteKSU vs Big12 Avg scores. 2008: KSU 28 Big12 42.375 -14.375 2009: KSU 22.75 Big12 27 -4.25 2010: KSU 38.375 Big12 30.25 +8.125.
2008: -14.375
2009: -4.25
2010: +8.125
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I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
HERE IS YOUR REASON!QuoteKSU vs Big12 Avg scores. 2008: KSU 28 Big12 42.375 -14.375 2009: KSU 22.75 Big12 27 -4.25 2010: KSU 38.375 Big12 30.25 +8.125.
2008: -14.375
2009: -4.25
2010: +8.125
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can you do this again but take into account that ksu didn't have to play texas tech in 2010 and get beat by them 50 points like they did in 2008 and 2009. i would say if anything, the above supports the fire the eff out of snyder today and hire mike leach. am i wrong? i'm not very smart at math type stuff and things.
You people want to trade an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for...
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.
Brilliant.
Continue with the reach-arounds below.
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.
From Dennis Dodd, CBS Sports:
"I'd be thrilled to get back into coaching," Leach says now. "This year I've met a wider variety of people, a broader base ... I'm proud of what we did at Texas Tech. We had teamwork with fans, won more bowl games than the rest of the time combined. That was exciting. Recruiting was exciting ... This [life] is exciting too."
When I met Leach for the first time in 1999, he was the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma. An up-and-comer in the profession back then, Leach was typically locked in -- sitting in his office wearing a windbreaker, watching film and munching out of a bag from Hardee's.
"I hate Hardee's," said the trimmer Leach when reminded of that day. "That would have been a day of desperation. There was a time I lived off coffee, beef jerky and one gigantic meal at night."
There are different days of desperation now. Whether it be a breakthrough job at OU or club ball in France, at least it was coaching, and it was wonderful, and Leach would love to do it again.
If only someone would call.
this is just so sad. i mean, everybody knows that this would be THE perfect move for ksu but we can't do it. it would be PERFECT, but we just can't. sorry guys, can't do the PERFECT option. we'll just keep doing what we're doing with this thing that is far less than perfect.
Who wants to coach at futility U?
A homeless guy with a golden voice who loves hookers and blow? :dunno:Who wants to coach at futility U?
someone who is unemployed? :dunno:
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.
Where do you get this idea?
A homeless guy with a golden voice who loves hookers and blow? :dunno:Who wants to coach at futility U?
someone who is unemployed? :dunno:
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.
Where do you get this idea?
From Lyle Setencich
You people want to trade an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for...
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.
Brilliant.
Continue with the reach-arounds below.
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.
Where do you get this idea?
From Lyle Setencich
sounds like a loser
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.
Where do you get this idea?
From Lyle Setencich
sounds like a loser
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wow, shocking that I nailed it.
Turns out he's the DC Leach fired midseason because he sucked.
:lol:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530)
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http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530)
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For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.
Where do you get this idea?
From Lyle Setencich
sounds like a loser
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wow, shocking that I nailed it.
Turns out he's the DC Leach fired midseason because he sucked.
:lol:
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat.
In a heart Beat.
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat.
In a heart Beat.
Really????
Can you name the school with the worst defense in Div 1 football this year? And can you tell me the name of that school's head coach?
Thanks, I'll listen off the air.
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat.
In a heart Beat.
Really????
Can you name the school with the worst defense in Div 1 football this year? And can you tell me the name of that school's head coach?
Thanks, I'll listen off the air.
Defensive improvements
With McNeill at the defensive helm, the Red Raiders' defense improved in every defensive category.[5] Under Setencich, Tech ranked seventh in pass defense, ninth in total defense, and tenth in scoring defense in Big 12 Conference play. In nine games with McNeill, Tech improved to first in pass and total defense and fourth in scoring defense.[10] The Red Raiders forced more punts and allowed fewer rushing and passing yards than they did to begin the season.[11] These vast improvements in the defense led Leach to drop the interim tag and make McNeill the full-time defensive coordinator.[11]
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat.
In a heart Beat.
Really????
Can you name the school with the worst defense in Div 1 football this year? And can you tell me the name of that school's head coach?
Thanks, I'll listen off the air.
Kansas State, LHC Bill Snyder
They held exactly THREE of their THIRTEEN opponents to less than FORTY points.
I'm confused by your replies.
Mike Leach hired Lyle Setencich and employed him for 5 years as his defensive coordinator. FIVE YEARS!
Then he hired Ruffin McNeill who was slightly better...but not much.
If we hire Mike Leach he'll probably keep Cosh as DC.
LHC Bill Snyder is the head coach at KSU, not defensive coordinator. He has never coached a team that gave up 76 points in a game. Ever. Especially to a service academy.
BTW, I have nothing personal against Ruffin McNeill and I hope he has a speedy recovery from the bariatric surgery that he elected to have right in the middle of the recruiting season.
:facepalm: It's a whole lot different when a service academy scores 76 points against teams like ECU than it would be if they did it to K-State.
:facepalm: It's a whole lot different when a service academy scores 76 points against teams like ECU than it would be if they did it to K-State.
Why? Are you trying to argue that our defensive players have more talent than the ECU players? I find that very hard to believe.
Total defense in conference games only:
KSU 10: 466.6 YPG (11th), 6.5 YPP (9th)
KSU 09: 389.3 YPG (8th), 5.9 YPP (10th)
TT 09: 338.9 YPG (5th), 4.8 YPP (5th)
TT 08: 384.4 YPG (3rd), 5.8 YPP (5th)
TT 07: 409.4 YPG (5th), 5.2 YPP (3rd)
Yeah, pretty much the same as Cosh.
:lol:
No one is saying that Cosh is the absolute worst human in the nation when it comes to DC ability.
Everyone saying is that he is a horrible DC.
Difference.
He is well below the average in our league.
Enough to fire his ass.
Total defense in conference games only:
KSU 10: 466.6 YPG (11th), 6.5 YPP (9th)
KSU 09: 389.3 YPG (8th), 5.9 YPP (10th)
TT 09: 338.9 YPG (5th), 4.8 YPP (5th)
TT 08: 384.4 YPG (3rd), 5.8 YPP (5th)
TT 07: 409.4 YPG (5th), 5.2 YPP (3rd)
Yeah, pretty much the same as Cosh.
:lol:
You are comparing a staff that had been established for 10 years against a staff that was cleaning up Ron Prince's mess. Apples to Oranges.
When the core of Leach's defensive staff went to ECU they took the 71st best defense in D1 football and turned them into the absolute worst defense in the country. They took over a team that did not allow a single team to score 40 points against them in 2009 and they let 10 out of 13 opponents score more than 40 points against them in 2010.
Do you know how many teams have scored 40 or more on KSU in the last two years? Less than 10. That's how many.
Going by points allowed is not a good method of evaluating a defense.
That's some cute irrelevant bullshit. How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?
*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons
That's some cute irrelevant bullshit. How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?
*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons
We need a defense. Must have. Leach does not bring that. At all.
That's some cute irrelevant bullshit. How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?
*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons
We need a defense. Must have. Leach does not bring that. At all.
That's some cute irrelevant bullshit. How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?
*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons
We need a defense. Must have. Leach does not bring that. At all.
I honestly don't give two shits how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years. If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.
That's some cute irrelevant bullshit. How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?
*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons
We need a defense. Must have. Leach does not bring that. At all.
I honestly don't give two shits how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years. If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.
I prefer to have a team that can step on the field and compete with anybody. Teams that give up 30+ ppg to regular teams get the absolute crap kicked out of them when they line up against the best (Auburn or Oregon this year.) If you have a defense, you have a chance.
How can you watch Syracuse walk down the field on every single drive and not be infuriated? I can't take it.
That's some cute irrelevant bullshit. How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?
*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons
We need a defense. Must have. Leach does not bring that. At all.
I honestly don't give two shits how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years. If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.
I prefer to have a team that can step on the field and compete with anybody. Teams that give up 30+ ppg to regular teams get the absolute crap kicked out of them when they line up against the best (Auburn or Oregon this year.) If you have a defense, you have a chance.
How can you watch Syracuse walk down the field on every single drive and not be infuriated? I can't take it.
Cannot imagine how elite it would be to get to an NC game and have Auburn or Oregon kick the crap out of it. Would be fantastic.
First off, Ira, if U.S. News or any other academic accreditation and ranking entity calls you up and asks about K-State, you are to disavow all knowledge of the school. If you don't, say goodbye to our tenuous hold as a Tier 1 school, and likely multiple accreditations will soon follow.
2009 Texas Tech Total Defense Rank 49th. Scoring Defense 41st
2008 Texas Tech Total Defense 79 Scoring Defense 74th
2007 Texas Tech Total Defense 45th Scoring Defense 49th
2006 Texas Tech Total Defense 58th Scoring Defense 76th
2005 Texas Tech Total Defense 30th Scoring Defense 18th
Avg Total Defense Rank: 52 Avg Scoring Defense Rank: 51
Cannot imagine how elite it would be to get to an NC game and have Auburn or Oregon kick the crap out of it. Would be fantastic.
Cannot imagine how elite it would be to get to an NC game and have Auburn or Oregon kick the crap out of it. Would be fantastic.
Don't need to go to the NC game to get that wonderful feeling of getting the crap kicked out of you. Texas and OU. Every year. Fantastic.
That's some cute irrelevant bullshit. How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?
*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons
We need a defense. Must have. Leach does not bring that. At all.
I honestly don't give two shits how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years. If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.
I prefer to have a team that can step on the field and compete with anybody. Teams that give up 30+ ppg to regular teams get the absolute crap kicked out of them when they line up against the best (Auburn or Oregon this year.) If you have a defense, you have a chance.
How can you watch Syracuse walk down the field on every single drive and not be infuriated? I can't take it.
I would prefer to play in the National Title game every year, and I won't accept any coach unless they guarantee that type of success. Until we find that coach, I'll stick with Snyder, thank you very much.
How did Auburn's defense rank?First off, Ira, if U.S. News or any other academic accreditation and ranking entity calls you up and asks about K-State, you are to disavow all knowledge of the school. If you don't, say goodbye to our tenuous hold as a Tier 1 school, and likely multiple accreditations will soon follow.
2009 Texas Tech Total Defense Rank 49th. Scoring Defense 41st
2008 Texas Tech Total Defense 79 Scoring Defense 74th
2007 Texas Tech Total Defense 45th Scoring Defense 49th
2006 Texas Tech Total Defense 58th Scoring Defense 76th
2005 Texas Tech Total Defense 30th Scoring Defense 18th
Avg Total Defense Rank: 52 Avg Scoring Defense Rank: 51
My elite "Tier 1" education tells me that the 50th best defense in the country is worse than 49 other schools.
My elite "Tier 1" research skills reveal that TCU had the best defense this year and they lost zero games.
How did Auburn's defense rank?First off, Ira, if U.S. News or any other academic accreditation and ranking entity calls you up and asks about K-State, you are to disavow all knowledge of the school. If you don't, say goodbye to our tenuous hold as a Tier 1 school, and likely multiple accreditations will soon follow.
2009 Texas Tech Total Defense Rank 49th. Scoring Defense 41st
2008 Texas Tech Total Defense 79 Scoring Defense 74th
2007 Texas Tech Total Defense 45th Scoring Defense 49th
2006 Texas Tech Total Defense 58th Scoring Defense 76th
2005 Texas Tech Total Defense 30th Scoring Defense 18th
Avg Total Defense Rank: 52 Avg Scoring Defense Rank: 51
My elite "Tier 1" education tells me that the 50th best defense in the country is worse than 49 other schools.
My elite "Tier 1" research skills reveal that TCU had the best defense this year and they lost zero games.
Game was decided by a last second field goal...How did Auburn's defense rank?First off, Ira, if U.S. News or any other academic accreditation and ranking entity calls you up and asks about K-State, you are to disavow all knowledge of the school. If you don't, say goodbye to our tenuous hold as a Tier 1 school, and likely multiple accreditations will soon follow.
2009 Texas Tech Total Defense Rank 49th. Scoring Defense 41st
2008 Texas Tech Total Defense 79 Scoring Defense 74th
2007 Texas Tech Total Defense 45th Scoring Defense 49th
2006 Texas Tech Total Defense 58th Scoring Defense 76th
2005 Texas Tech Total Defense 30th Scoring Defense 18th
Avg Total Defense Rank: 52 Avg Scoring Defense Rank: 51
My elite "Tier 1" education tells me that the 50th best defense in the country is worse than 49 other schools.
My elite "Tier 1" research skills reveal that TCU had the best defense this year and they lost zero games.
Don't have that stat in front of me, but Auburn's 265yds passing and 254yds rushing sure beat the crap out of Oregon's Mike Leachish 374yds passing and 75yds rushing didn't they?
That's some cute irrelevant bullshit. How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?
*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons
We need a defense. Must have. Leach does not bring that. At all.
I honestly don't give two shits how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years. If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.
I prefer to have a team that can step on the field and compete with anybody. Teams that give up 30+ ppg to regular teams get the absolute crap kicked out of them when they line up against the best (Auburn or Oregon this year.) If you have a defense, you have a chance.
How can you watch Syracuse walk down the field on every single drive and not be infuriated? I can't take it.
I would prefer to play in the National Title game every year, and I won't accept any coach unless they guarantee that type of success. Until we find that coach, I'll stick with Snyder, thank you very much.
smartass. You asked for an argument against Mike Leach. I gave you one. Suck it.
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
That's some cute irrelevant bullcac. How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?
*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons
We need a defense. Must have. Leach does not bring that. At all.
I honestly don't give two cacs how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years. If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.
I prefer to have a team that can step on the field and compete with anybody. Teams that give up 30+ ppg to regular teams get the absolute cac kicked out of them when they line up against the best (Auburn or Oregon this year.) If you have a defense, you have a chance.
How can you watch Syracuse walk down the field on every single drive and not be infuriated? I can't take it.
I would prefer to play in the National Title game every year, and I won't accept any coach unless they guarantee that type of success. Until we find that coach, I'll stick with Snyder, thank you very much.
smartass. You asked for an argument against Mike Leach. I gave you one. Suck it.
No, here's what I asked for:I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
Nothing you mentioned is an argument for Snyder over Leach. You're just making an argument for a National-Title caliber coach over Leach.
Nothing you mentioned is an argument for Snyder over Leach. You're just making an argument for a National-Title caliber coach over Leach.
Nothing you mentioned is an argument for Snyder over Leach. You're just making an argument for a National-Title caliber coach over Leach.
I'm making an argument that Leach is not better than Snyder. I can't bring myself to go all the way and argue that Snyder is better than Leach so I guess you win.
The only thing about Snyder that is better than Leach is that Snyder is older so he gives us a better chance of making a change sooner rather than later. Hire Leach and we're stuck with no defense for at least another 4-5 years. Probably longer.
How did Auburn's defense rank?First off, Ira, if U.S. News or any other academic accreditation and ranking entity calls you up and asks about K-State, you are to disavow all knowledge of the school. If you don't, say goodbye to our tenuous hold as a Tier 1 school, and likely multiple accreditations will soon follow.
2009 Texas Tech Total Defense Rank 49th. Scoring Defense 41st
2008 Texas Tech Total Defense 79 Scoring Defense 74th
2007 Texas Tech Total Defense 45th Scoring Defense 49th
2006 Texas Tech Total Defense 58th Scoring Defense 76th
2005 Texas Tech Total Defense 30th Scoring Defense 18th
Avg Total Defense Rank: 52 Avg Scoring Defense Rank: 51
My elite "Tier 1" education tells me that the 50th best defense in the country is worse than 49 other schools.
My elite "Tier 1" research skills reveal that TCU had the best defense this year and they lost zero games.
Don't have that stat in front of me, but Auburn's 265yds passing and 254yds rushing sure beat the crap out of Oregon's Mike Leachish 374yds passing and 75yds rushing didn't they?
Iowa State's coaching clinic is set for this weekend, and you may recognize the keynote speaker on Friday night: Former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach.
richrod working at ou, leach working at iowa state
jfc, bill, die already.
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/highschool/recruiting/blog/2011/08/fau_recruit_thinks_extexas_tec.html (http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/highschool/recruiting/blog/2011/08/fau_recruit_thinks_extexas_tec.html)
Rich Rod or Mike Leach would be perfect for KSU IMO..We were sorta ok at defense back in OB V1.0
Guys with effective offenses and don't need top 10 recruiting classes to make them effective...
I have a hard time seeing KSU ever being able to recruit well enough to be a consistent dominant defensive force, so you gotta go out and grab an offensive coach that can make defense less important (if that makes any sense)..
Kind of what Snyder was in his younger days which allowed KSU to be all bad ass when I was a kid..
K-State was a consistent dominant defensive force.
Rich Rod or Mike Leach would be perfect for KSU IMO..
(if that makes any sense)..Better go knucklebang another deucer.
(if that makes any sense)..Better go knucklebang another deucer.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Mike-Leach-college-football-most-honest-man-092111
Want so bad.
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
deez nutz is extremely butthurt about all of this (correct usage)
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired? Who do we dream about then? :ohno:
(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker. Must have been very painful for you to endure. :cry:
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker. Must have been very painful for you to endure. :cry:
i regret nothing.
ksu football since 2004
4-7, 5-6, 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6, 10-3
Which one is not like the other….
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker. Must have been very painful for you to endure. :cry:
i regret nothing.
ksu football since 2004
4-7, 5-6, 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6, 10-3
Which one is not like the other….
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker. Must have been very painful for you to endure. :cry:
i regret nothing.
ksu football since 2004
4-7, 5-6, 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6, 10-3
Which one is not like the other….
you don't realize, you simply cannot say things like that. you come off as extremely unlikable. does that mean anything to you?!?!
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker. Must have been very painful for you to endure. :cry:
i regret nothing.
ksu football since 2004
4-7, 5-6, 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6, 10-3
Which one is not like the other….
I should add I don't regret a goddam thing I said, either.
I've really enjoyed all the winning this season. One of the most fun seasons ever. I feel bad for anyone who feels different.
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired? Who do we dream about then? :ohno:
(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)
And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.
You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along? Kiss my ass.
next yearIn 2 years when we suck again, all of these tucks will vanish again, rusty. :cheers:
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired? Who do we dream about then? :ohno:
(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)
And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.
You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along? Kiss my ass.
I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all. I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins. This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked. Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted. You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder. But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four. It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great. It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.
I did not "hide" when things were not great. I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster. The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway. I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder. It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired? Who do we dream about then? :ohno:
(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)
And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.
You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along? Kiss my ass.
I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all. I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins. This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked. Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted. You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder. But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four. It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great. It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.
I did not "hide" when things were not great. I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster. The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway. I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder. It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.
Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?
It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year. i'm dead serious. the only way he goes is if we suck. i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns. the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.
I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker. Must have been very painful for you to endure. :cry:
i regret nothing.
ksu football since 2004
4-7, 5-6, 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6, 10-3
Which one is not like the other….
I should add I don't regret a goddam thing I said, either.
Go ahead and not regret it, but I hope you know that you're probably a pessimistic asshat that nobody likes to watch games with. You're probably a loser that is always searching for greener pastures in life and is never happy with anything. You probably have a cool 6 year old boy at home who you constantly berate and tell him how much he sucks at things.
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired? Who do we dream about then? :ohno:
(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)
And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.
You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along? Kiss my ass.
I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all. I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins. This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked. Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted. You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder. But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four. It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great. It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.
I did not "hide" when things were not great. I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster. The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway. I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder. It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.
Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?
It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired? Who do we dream about then? :ohno:
(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)
And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.
You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along? Kiss my ass.
I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all. I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins. This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked. Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted. You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder. But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four. It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great. It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.
I did not "hide" when things were not great. I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster. The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway. I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder. It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.
Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?
It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.
in the history of the b12, only 6 coaches have won at least 8 games in a season. ya, sure thing rusty, tons of coaches can do that. :lol:
give it up, you're full of F.A.I.L. on every level in this thread and don't have a clue about football coaches.
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired? Who do we dream about then? :ohno:
(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)
And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.
You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along? Kiss my ass.
I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all. I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins. This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked. Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted. You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder. But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four. It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great. It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.
I did not "hide" when things were not great. I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster. The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway. I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder. It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.
Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?
It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.
LHC Bill Snyder rough ridin' sucks at coaching football in 2011 and is a dickhead. eff him.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14664.msg348449#msg348449 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14664.msg348449#msg348449)
I still want Cosh gone.
If it isn't personal, did you really have to throw in the part about him being a dickhead?QuoteLHC Bill Snyder rough ridin' sucks at coaching football in 2011 and is a dickhead. eff him.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14664.msg348449#msg348449 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14664.msg348449#msg348449)
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired? Who do we dream about then? :ohno:
(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)
And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.
You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along? Kiss my ass.
I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all. I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins. This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked. Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted. You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder. But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four. It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great. It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.
I did not "hide" when things were not great. I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster. The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway. I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder. It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.
Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?
It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired? Who do we dream about then? :ohno:
(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)
And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.
You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along? Kiss my ass.
I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all. I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins. This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked. Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted. You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder. But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four. It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great. It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.
I did not "hide" when things were not great. I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster. The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway. I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder. It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.
Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?
It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.
The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him. Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance? And guess what! My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record. I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around. Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year?
The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him. Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance? And guess what! My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record. I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around. Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year?
I cant believe anyone is actually arguing that we should or should have fired snyder. :facepalm:
why the eff are we still talking about leach when neuheisel is available?
The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him. Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance? And guess what! My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record. I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around. Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year?
A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.
Just as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as we did when we hired him a second time, most likely.
Just as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as we did when we hired him a second time, most likely.
People may have been a little dubious about his ability to replicate the success of the DOD, but the hire certainly did not look Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). What looked Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) was the whole "It's Patterson!" thing before that. For the record, I wanted Gary Patterson to be hired as much as anybody because I thought he was the best option at the time, and I still haven't forgiven Fitz for screwing that up. But once they hired Snyder, I think he has deserved our full support.
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate: mack brown and rick neuheisel. there is no losing with those two.
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate: mack brown and rick neuheisel. there is no losing with those two.
At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate: mack brown and rick neuheisel. there is no losing with those two.
At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6
At K-State:
:love: :love: :love:
:love: :love: :love:
:love: :love: :love:
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired? Who do we dream about then? :ohno:
(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)
And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.
You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along? Kiss my ass.
I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all. I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins. This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked. Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted. You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder. But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four. It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great. It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.
I did not "hide" when things were not great. I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster. The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway. I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder. It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.
Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?
It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.
in the history of the b12, only 6 coaches have won at least 8 games in a season. ya, sure thing rusty, tons of coaches can do that. :lol:
give it up, you're full of F.A.I.L. on every level in this thread and don't have a clue about football coaches.
LHC Bill Snyder, Mark Mangino, Gary Pinkel, Bob Stoops, Les Miles, Art Briles, Mike Gundy, R.C. Slocum, Dennis Franchione, Mack Brown, Dan McCarney, and I easily could have missed one or two more.
The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him. Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance? And guess what! My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record. I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around. Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year?
A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.
The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him. Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance? And guess what! My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record. I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around. Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year?
A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.
A top-flight coach doesn't come to ku (or KSU).
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate: mack brown and rick neuheisel. there is no losing with those two.
At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate: mack brown and rick neuheisel. there is no losing with those two.
At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6
6-6 and..... A conference championship game appearance. Pretty much Snyder's first year back, but better. HE WAS 2 YEARS AWAY UCLA!!!
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate: mack brown and rick neuheisel. there is no losing with those two.
At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6
6-6 and..... A conference championship game appearance. Pretty much Snyder's first year back, but better. HE WAS 2 YEARS AWAY UCLA!!!
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate: mack brown and rick neuheisel. there is no losing with those two.
At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6
6-6 and..... A conference championship game appearance. Pretty much Snyder's first year back, but better. HE WAS 2 YEARS AWAY UCLA!!!
Just IMAGINE if they win. . .
Frank Solich got fired for being a drunk prick.
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point. I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason. I don't think it's possible.
Okay I guess I will try. How about 1 conf championship and on the verge of another versus none. Or maybe a handful of divisional titles, number 1 ranking, and legitimate shot to play in the MNC game versus nada. And last but not least, not being an absolute assclown in interviews and in social settings.
The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him. Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance? And guess what! My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record. I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around. Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year?
A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.
A top-flight coach doesn't come to ku (or KSU).
Exactly. Especially if you unjustly fire a former top-flight coach whose name is on the stadium.
The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him. Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance? And guess what! My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record. I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around. Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year?
A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.
A top-flight coach doesn't come to ku (or KSU).
Exactly. Especially if you unjustly fire a former top-flight coach whose name is on the stadium.
hey jackass, Snyder said he was coming back to calm the waters. totally logical to assume (based on his word) that he would've stepped down if we could've come to terms with leach. this thread wasn't talking about firing him you rough ridin' idiot. Jesus.
can you do this again but take into account that ksu didn't have to play texas tech in 2010 and get beat by them 50 points like they did in 2008 and 2009. i would say if anything, the above supports the fire the eff out of snyder today and hire mike leach. am i wrong? i'm not very smart at math type stuff and things.
The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him. Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance? And guess what! My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record. I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around. Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year?
A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.
A top-flight coach doesn't come to ku (or KSU).
Exactly. Especially if you unjustly fire a former top-flight coach whose name is on the stadium.
hey jackass, Snyder said he was coming back to calm the waters. totally logical to assume (based on his word) that he would've stepped down if we could've come to terms with leach. this thread wasn't talking about firing him you rough ridin' idiot. Jesus.
Nice try, ass clown. Numerous posts in this thread referred to firing Snyder including this one of yours:can you do this again but take into account that ksu didn't have to play texas tech in 2010 and get beat by them 50 points like they did in 2008 and 2009. i would say if anything, the above supports the fire the eff out of snyder today and hire mike leach. am i wrong? i'm not very smart at math type stuff and things.
even though those assholes on goEMAW thought you only cared about your ego and legacy.
Rick did have a point.
UCLA doesn't even have a full sized practice field, meanwhile across town USC has a really nice outdoor practice complex and is putting the finishing touches on the 120K square foot John McKay Center. UCLA's facilities are a joke, and if they hire someone like Leach who had great facilities at TT, he's going to demand that they spend a lot of money.
Both ku and Washington State have an advantage on UCLA on that front.
Rick did have a point.
UCLA doesn't even have a full sized practice field, meanwhile across town USC has a really nice outdoor practice complex and is putting the finishing touches on the 120K square foot John McKay Center. UCLA's facilities are a joke, and if they hire someone like Leach who had great facilities at TT, he's going to demand that they spend a lot of money.
Both ku and Washington State have an advantage on UCLA on that front.
How is UCLA doing financially right now? Yeah they're second fiddle to USC but it seems like as a big name program they could start throwing money around for facility improvements if they were able to.
Rick did have a point.
UCLA doesn't even have a full sized practice field, meanwhile across town USC has a really nice outdoor practice complex and is putting the finishing touches on the 120K square foot John McKay Center. UCLA's facilities are a joke, and if they hire someone like Leach who had great facilities at TT, he's going to demand that they spend a lot of money.
Both ku and Washington State have an advantage on UCLA on that front.
How is UCLA doing financially right now? Yeah they're second fiddle to USC but it seems like as a big name program they could start throwing money around for facility improvements if they were able to.
In the process, Wilson also blasted first-year coach Mike Leach and his staff, accusing them of "abuse" while saying his suspension was "an attempt by the athletic department to cover up what is really happening in that locker room."
welp, that didn't take long. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff)QuoteIn the process, Wilson also blasted first-year coach Mike Leach and his staff, accusing them of "abuse" while saying his suspension was "an attempt by the athletic department to cover up what is really happening in that locker room."
welp, that didn't take long. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff)QuoteIn the process, Wilson also blasted first-year coach Mike Leach and his staff, accusing them of "abuse" while saying his suspension was "an attempt by the athletic department to cover up what is really happening in that locker room."
wetluke
welp, that didn't take long. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff)QuoteIn the process, Wilson also blasted first-year coach Mike Leach and his staff, accusing them of "abuse" while saying his suspension was "an attempt by the athletic department to cover up what is really happening in that locker room."
wetluke
oh man at least link me to my luking.
welp, that didn't take long. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff)QuoteIn the process, Wilson also blasted first-year coach Mike Leach and his staff, accusing them of "abuse" while saying his suspension was "an attempt by the athletic department to cover up what is really happening in that locker room."
wetluke
oh man at least link me to my luking.
it was right at the top of the board
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=15377.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=15377.0)
I've been there through Google Earth Street View.
I've been there through Google Earth Street View.
This made me LOL for some reason. Then I lol'd more when trying it out because didn't you take issue with google street view stuff over in the pit once, speculating what heinous deeds they could do with the data?
I've been there through Google Earth Street View.
This made me LOL for some reason. Then I lol'd more when trying it out because didn't you take issue with google street view stuff over in the pit once, speculating what heinous deeds they could do with the data?
There's a reason they've been called to the carpet in multiple European countries Trim?
I've been there through Google Earth Street View.
This made me LOL for some reason. Then I lol'd more when trying it out because didn't you take issue with google street view stuff over in the pit once, speculating what heinous deeds they could do with the data?
There's a reason they've been called to the carpet in multiple European countries Trim?
LOL again.
You're over explaining Trim.
You're over explaining Trim.
Just trying to reach my audience.
I lol'd to myself at the I've been there through too dax. sometimes we just have to laugh at ourselves
We should offer mike leach 4 million dollars today to come here.under armor yo! Not a risk I'm willing to take.
Just saw the pirate at Southwest ticketing at SFO, he saw my emaw hat as he walked by and gave me a head nod. :ksu:
Just saw the pirate at Southwest ticketing at SFO, he saw my emaw hat as he walked by and gave me a head nod. :ksu:Was he swingin his sword or did he just have his hand on it ready to draw? Did you yell RRRRRRRR at him?
Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?
Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?
Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?Man, that's a lot like "Let's Make a Deal"....it's always so tempting to see what's behind the curtain!
Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?
Leach, Patterson, Currie search in that order.
Leach has won at the level I desire us to win at, at a similar school, in our conference...hard to argue that he wouldn't repeat that at KSU.
Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?
Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?
Man great question
Currie (if it yielded the ball state coach, I want him badly), Leach, Sean, anal fissures, Gary
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson
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Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson
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I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.
So I was one of 8 people listening to The Game on KMAN yesterday, and they told a story about Leach calling Dan Beebe in the middle of a game to b_tch about the officials. He got a 10k fine.
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Missed it.
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I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.
If we hired anyone else with his BCS credentials we would rightfully #BID, not to mention the constant tumult his program seems to have.
Also re: your previous post, do you know anything about the ball state coach? Seems not
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson
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I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.
If we hired anyone else with his BCS credentials we would rightfully #BID, not to mention the constant tumult his program seems to have.
Also re: your previous post, do you know anything about the ball state coach? Seems not
I don't think we'd be in the market for someone with his "BCS credentials", to be honest. A rational program wouldn't let him go to us. Based on what he's done over his career I would have no problem hiring Gary if he had left TCU and replicated his record over the last two years at a place like Mississippi State or Maryland.
Regarding the Ball State guy, I know the highest level he's coached at (as a HC or assistant) is Ball State.
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson
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I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.
If we hired anyone else with his BCS credentials we would rightfully #BID, not to mention the constant tumult his program seems to have.
Also re: your previous post, do you know anything about the ball state coach? Seems not
I don't think we'd be in the market for someone with his "BCS credentials", to be honest. A rational program wouldn't let him go to us. Based on what he's done over his career I would have no problem hiring Gary if he had left TCU and replicated his record over the last two years at a place like Mississippi State or Maryland.
Regarding the Ball State guy, I know the highest level he's coached at (as a HC or assistant) is Ball State.
So you'd take a guy with a mediocre resume at the highest level over a guy who hasn't coached at the highest level but has won everywhere he's been? Pretty inconsistent stance given your view on basketball coaches, no?
I would like a cliffs notes version of ball state guy without having to google it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Lembo
BCS win alone makes Gary's resume not mediocre. I'm less sold on him now than I was 5 years ago, but I don't think a mediocre year and a poor year mean he is a terrible coach. It is troubling to see though as its his first opportunity in a BCS conference.Mangino says hi! :D
ball state guy seems to me like a tim beckman-y.
i belong to the ilk that thinks unless we hire a proven stud (let's set the bar at a James Franklin type, for example), i'd prefer some one who has coached under Snyder.
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson
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BCS win alone makes Gary's resume not mediocre. I'm less sold on him now than I was 5 years ago, but I don't think a mediocre year and a poor year mean he is a terrible coach. It is troubling to see though as its his first opportunity in a BCS conference.Mangino says hi! :D
I don't think Leach is realistic.
I don't think Patterson is realistic.
what do we think about Wolford/Mangino combo sandwich?
ball state guy seems to me like a tim beckman-y.
i belong to the ilk that thinks unless we hire a proven stud (let's set the bar at a James Franklin type, for example), i'd prefer some one who has coached under Snyder.
Snyders tree has already blossomed though. Who would you want from his tree that hasn't already failed or has a better gig now?
ball state guy seems to me like a tim beckman-y.
BCS win alone makes Gary's resume not mediocre. I'm less sold on him now than I was 5 years ago, but I don't think a mediocre year and a poor year mean he is a terrible coach. It is troubling to see though as its his first opportunity in a BCS conference.Mangino says hi! :D
I don't think Mangino's tenure was mediocre either
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I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.
If we hired anyone else with his BCS credentials we would rightfully #BID, not to mention the constant tumult his program seems to have.
Also re: your previous post, do you know anything about the ball state coach? Seems not
I don't think we'd be in the market for someone with his "BCS credentials", to be honest. A rational program wouldn't let him go to us. Based on what he's done over his career I would have no problem hiring Gary if he had left TCU and replicated his record over the last two years at a place like Mississippi State or Maryland.
Regarding the Ball State guy, I know the highest level he's coached at (as a HC or assistant) is Ball State.
So you'd take a guy with a mediocre resume at the highest level over a guy who hasn't coached at the highest level but has won everywhere he's been? Pretty inconsistent stance given your view on basketball coaches, no?
I'm sorry, has Patterson been fired? Is he even remotely on the hot seat?
Patterson hasn't been at the "highest level" long enough to be proven to be mediocre, not by a long shot.
And I'd easily take his resume at a non-BCS school over the Ball State guy, in addition to where he has built recruiting relationships over the years.
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson
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I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.
If we hired anyone else with his BCS credentials we would rightfully #BID, not to mention the constant tumult his program seems to have.
Also re: your previous post, do you know anything about the ball state coach? Seems not
I don't think we'd be in the market for someone with his "BCS credentials", to be honest. A rational program wouldn't let him go to us. Based on what he's done over his career I would have no problem hiring Gary if he had left TCU and replicated his record over the last two years at a place like Mississippi State or Maryland.
Regarding the Ball State guy, I know the highest level he's coached at (as a HC or assistant) is Ball State.
So you'd take a guy with a mediocre resume at the highest level over a guy who hasn't coached at the highest level but has won everywhere he's been? Pretty inconsistent stance given your view on basketball coaches, no?
I'm sorry, has Patterson been fired? Is he even remotely on the hot seat?
Patterson hasn't been at the "highest level" long enough to be proven to be mediocre, not by a long shot.
And I'd easily take his resume at a non-BCS school over the Ball State guy, in addition to where he has built recruiting relationships over the years.
He hasn't been fired, as a defense, is that a joke? So you would have been good with Weber replacing Frank after 2010-11? You have eyes, you can see how Patterson's program is trending. They aren't even going to a bowl this year. I'm willing to bet you he won't make it 9 years as a BCS level coach like oscar did.
Q: Coach, there has always been a lot of talk about how hard it is to recruit to the Palouse, but you and your staff have been killing it so far this spring. What do you sell these young men on to come to Pullman?
A: It is very simple: we are a true college town in a true college setting. This is something that we nearly have a monopoly on in the Pac 12.
We have just built the best Football Operations Building in the Pac 12 and we have quick, direct flights to many of the locations we recruit to. We are in a gorgeous setting with no freeways, in a place where a student-athlete can focus on his degree and football. This is led by our President, Elson S. Floyd who is celebrating his 7th anniversary as our College President, and our Athletic Director, Bill Moos who played here. Both of which talk to our recruits when they visit campus.
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/265mel/i_am_head_football_coach_and_nyt_best_selling/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/265mel/i_am_head_football_coach_and_nyt_best_selling/)
It's not that hard. If it was, we wouldn't be spenting 135mil.Q: Coach, there has always been a lot of talk about how hard it is to recruit to the Palouse, but you and your staff have been killing it so far this spring. What do you sell these young men on to come to Pullman?
A: It is very simple: we are a true college town in a true college setting. This is something that we nearly have a monopoly on in the Pac 12.
We have just built the best Football Operations Building in the Pac 12 and we have quick, direct flights to many of the locations we recruit to. We are in a gorgeous setting with no freeways, in a place where a student-athlete can focus on his degree and football. This is led by our President, Elson S. Floyd who is celebrating his 7th anniversary as our College President, and our Athletic Director, Bill Moos who played here. Both of which talk to our recruits when they visit campus.
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/265mel/i_am_head_football_coach_and_nyt_best_selling/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/265mel/i_am_head_football_coach_and_nyt_best_selling/)
This is so hard for so many people to grasp.
Let’s go get him guys :cool:
Everyone should read the new Leach article on The Athletic if you have a subscription
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Mikey could not take HOFCBS's players and make them a winning team.
Mikey needs a completely different skill set and ou, Tex-AZZ, Okie-St, and most of the BIG 12 has already got most of those boys locked up.
HCCK knows what KSU requires, following in HOFHCBS's footsteps. Only AZZ-Hats would try what the other BIG12 teams are trying to do.
HUNH will not work at KSU. HOFHCBS proved that for nearly 3 Decades.
HUNH only worked at UK for one season when UK didn't have to play 3/4 of best of BIG 12.
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this crap was funny when it was zany that a college coach would say/do the things that leach says
now it’s not because he’s just morphed into a media/attention grabbing character that says stupid crap in an effort to get the pac 12 media pool laughing
this crap was funny when it was zany that a college coach would say/do the things that leach says
now it’s not because he’s just morphed into a media/attention grabbing character that says stupid crap in an effort to get the pac 12 media pool laughing
what I thought was funniest is that I didn't hear any laughter. may have been edited out but I loved the idea of self-important sportswriter idiots tapping their toes and looking at their watches as Leach spends all his allotted media availability time wondering if a Ute has traded for a rifle instead of giving them a deeper analysis of the defensive line depth chart.
this crap was funny when it was zany that a college coach would say/do the things that leach says
now it’s not because he’s just morphed into a media/attention grabbing character that says stupid crap in an effort to get the pac 12 media pool laughing
what I thought was funniest is that I didn't hear any laughter. may have been edited out but I loved the idea of self-important sportswriter idiots tapping their toes and looking at their watches as Leach spends all his allotted media availability time wondering if a Ute has traded for a rifle instead of giving them a deeper analysis of the defensive line depth chart.
this crap was funny when it was zany that a college coach would say/do the things that leach says
now it’s not because he’s just morphed into a media/attention grabbing character that says stupid crap in an effort to get the pac 12 media pool laughing
this crap was funny when it was zany that a college coach would say/do the things that leach says
now it’s not because he’s just morphed into a media/attention grabbing character that says stupid crap in an effort to get the pac 12 media pool laughing
what I thought was funniest is that I didn't hear any laughter. may have been edited out but I loved the idea of self-important sportswriter idiots tapping their toes and looking at their watches as Leach spends all his allotted media availability time wondering if a Ute has traded for a rifle instead of giving them a deeper analysis of the defensive line depth chart.
This right here.
Just read the Athletic article on his QB meetings and I would love to sit next to Leach at a bar for 5 hours and go back and forth with him on random topics and just let him talk.
Anyway to set this up as an auction item at FattyFest?
Leach blows a 32 point lead in second half to UCLA. They call that "couging it" out here. And i am a big Cougar fan.... not so much a Leach fan... no defense..Yikes, giving up 67 points to moribund UCLA program ought to put a stake in this tread.
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Quote from: zackole1 on September 22, 2019, 01:32:01 AM
Leach blows a 32 point lead in second half to UCLA. They call that "couging it" out here. And i am a big Cougar fan.... not so much a Leach fan... no defense..
Leach does not really have interesting or informed opinions on many things, but he does benefit from expectations so low that him blinking a lot before talking about the many raccoons that I have seen before, both in my youth and then also more recently really does qualify as classic folksy storytelling.
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Why would Mike Leach or anyone else answer a question about paying athletes with a monologue like this? For the same boring and immediately obvious reason that homelessness, and especially homelessness in California, has recently become a fixation for Donald Trump, which is that he saw it on TV.
That David Roth guy sounds like a pussy.
Well for like 1-2 years anyway
That was my first thought, too. Honestly, it kind of seems almost like a lateral move for someone of his ilk. And while I can’t wait for the Lane v. Leach Egg Bowls and surrounding twitters, I think first and foremost I’d rather have Leach coaching the Kazzu li’l bro of the PNW rather than the Kazzu lil bro of Hickville Raciststate. Plus you KNOW Wazzu appreciates him more. I weep for Fatdamon, me, and every other #PXIIAD fan. It just got a lot less interesting.
That was my first thought, too. Honestly, it kind of seems almost like a lateral move for someone of his ilk. And while I can’t wait for the Lane v. Leach Egg Bowls and surrounding twitters, I think first and foremost I’d rather have Leach coaching the Kazzu li’l bro of the PNW rather than the Kazzu lil bro of Hickville Raciststate. Plus you KNOW Wazzu appreciates him more. I weep for Fatdamon, me, and every other #PXIIAD fan. It just got a lot less interesting.
It was a lazy and uninspired hire. Why would an sec school hire a coach barely treading water in the Pac 12? This would be like hiring Matt Campbell if he did the same crap for two decades. What does an 8-5 Pac 12 ceiling equal in the sec? Also they're going to hate that offense.
If you're hiring a coach of that ilk why wouldn't you go get Neil Brown?
It really is amazing what are fan base views as sexy. 8-5 lifetime coach named pirate.... #Gottlieb4KSU... :excited: 8-5 life time coach oscar Weber who's won us a few Big 12 Championships and has a goofy voice:
(https://radioh.com.ar/images/noticias/0c87c0646f964c1634.jpg)
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor. he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-State
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor. he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-State
Exactly. A Leach basketball equivalent would be in the tournament every year.
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor. he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-State
Exactly. A Leach basketball equivalent would be in the tournament every year.
Its easier to make a bowl game than make the NCAA tournament. Lets say that a 7-5 regular season record is equivalent to what it would take to make the NCAA tournament.
If that is the case Leach would of "Missed" the tourney 4 of his 8 years at Wazzu
Leach's offense will be baffling to the offensively conservative SEC. I initially thought he was heading to a program that couldn't get traction in a conference with Alabama and LSU, but then remembered that Mississippi State was ranked #1 a few years ago. My biggest concern is for Leach, and the lack of patience that Mississippi State has for their football coaches. This is like their 3rd head coach hire in the past 5 years.
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor. he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-Statelol. Or one out of the last 4, but spin it how ever you want to. In the last 4 seasons he has an elite 8 run, a big 12 ship, and the GOAT recruiting class coming in. Sorry he has to replace 3 of the top 15 all time scorers at K-State this year. Winning is entertaining. oscar Weber has entertained me very much.
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor. he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-Statelol. Or one out of the last 4, but spin it how ever you want to. In the last 4 seasons he has an elite 8 run, a big 12 ship, and the GOAT recruiting class coming in. Sorry he has to replace 3 of the top 15 all time scorers at K-State this year. Winning is entertaining. oscar Weber has entertained me very much.
Iowa state still waiting for their close season :crossfingers:
:cheers:ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor. he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-Statelol. Or one out of the last 4, but spin it how ever you want to. In the last 4 seasons he has an elite 8 run, a big 12 ship, and the GOAT recruiting class coming in. Sorry he has to replace 3 of the top 15 all time scorers at K-State this year. Winning is entertaining. oscar Weber has entertained me very much.
relax bud, it's friday.
no doubt some fun times, is odd he follows up championship seasons with complete flops.
Leach will be much happier culturally in racistville than the backwoods of cool kidsDude's a Trumper. And IMO Eastern Washington is more racist than Mississippi. Like Western Idaho is Nazi militia headquarters.
Yes, but Eastern Washington is in Cool Kids and Mississippi State is in RacistvilleLeach will be much happier culturally in racistville than the backwoods of cool kidsDude's a Trumper. And IMO Eastern Washington is more racist than Mississippi. Like Western Idaho is Nazi militia headquarters.
Leach's offense will be baffling to the offensively conservative SEC. I initially thought he was heading to a program that couldn't get traction in a conference with Alabama and LSU, but then remembered that Mississippi State was ranked #1 a few years ago. My biggest concern is for Leach, and the lack of patience that Mississippi State has for their football coaches. This is like their 3rd head coach hire in the past 5 years.
To the first point, I think that offense will not be successful in the SEC before, it's not like it hasn't been tried before, it's not like he hasn't tried it before. SEC defenses are generally good because they have the best defensive talent. It's completely different than getting fat off of a mediocre Big 12, which that era was, and a historically awful Pac 12.
As to the second point, Mississippi State talent and how "close" they've been, I'll respond the same as I would those who are talking about how "close" Leach was at Washington State, once. It doesn't mean anything, anything at all. I'm being serious when I say this but in the BCS/CFP era, the only programs I can think of that weren't close in at least one season are Kentucky and Vandy. Think of all of the other worst programs of this era; KU, Rutgers, Illinois, Colorado, Wake, Georgia Tech, whomever they all had a close year. That's a crutch to dumb down accomplishments, neither Mississippi State nor Leach has shown any ability to sustain the type of success that would allow that hire to make sense.
Leach's offense will be baffling to the offensively conservative SEC. I initially thought he was heading to a program that couldn't get traction in a conference with Alabama and LSU, but then remembered that Mississippi State was ranked #1 a few years ago. My biggest concern is for Leach, and the lack of patience that Mississippi State has for their football coaches. This is like their 3rd head coach hire in the past 5 years.
To the first point, I think that offense will not be successful in the SEC before, it's not like it hasn't been tried before, it's not like he hasn't tried it before. SEC defenses are generally good because they have the best defensive talent. It's completely different than getting fat off of a mediocre Big 12, which that era was, and a historically awful Pac 12.
As to the second point, Mississippi State talent and how "close" they've been, I'll respond the same as I would those who are talking about how "close" Leach was at Washington State, once. It doesn't mean anything, anything at all. I'm being serious when I say this but in the BCS/CFP era, the only programs I can think of that weren't close in at least one season are Kentucky and Vandy. Think of all of the other worst programs of this era; KU, Rutgers, Illinois, Colorado, Wake, Georgia Tech, whomever they all had a close year. That's a crutch to dumb down accomplishments, neither Mississippi State nor Leach has shown any ability to sustain the type of success that would allow that hire to make sense.
I guess it just sort of depends on how liberal you want to be with what "close" is. I can think of quite a few programs that I don't think have been close, but I also don't really think WSU has ever really been all that close to a playoff berth under Leach.
I’d call 1-2 games away as being close to a playoff berth, and I’m pretty sure Wazzu has been there.
"We're going to have to check some of our group and figure out who really wants to play here," Leach said after the Kentucky loss, "because any malcontents, we're going to have to purge a couple of those."
The bad wagon appears to be upended.He's a bad personQuote"We're going to have to check some of our group and figure out who really wants to play here," Leach said after the Kentucky loss, "because any malcontents, we're going to have to purge a couple of those."
And now that it's clear that LSU obviously sucks, they've got nothing to hang their hat on at MSU.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30088846/mississippi-state-bulldogs-need-purge-malcontents-mike-leach-says-loss
Snyder once remarked about liking chocolate chip cookies, and from then on people sent him cookies all the time. Should have said that he likes to eat $100 bills.
"Candy corn's just awful," he told SEC Network. "It's the worst candy every invented. I mean, tastes terrible, bad for you, makes you sick at the end. What's to like about it?"
"Gummy bears for sure," Leach said. "Got to be the Haribo ones. And then the other thing I like is when they used to have Sprees in a box. Outstanding. You have to go to the dollar store to find it, but I do."
https://youtu.be/l0C59Q_Tcus
I prefer my Spree in the foil tube.
I prefer my Spree in the foil tube.
No doubt. Leech is a freak
i irl do go to the dollar store about once a month to load up on candy, including boxed spree, bottle caps, and runts, amongst other select candy
i irl do go to the dollar store about once a month to load up on candy, including boxed spree, bottle caps, and runts, amongst other select candy
This is the place where I buy Sour Punch Straws.i irl do go to the dollar store about once a month to load up on candy, including boxed spree, bottle caps, and runts, amongst other select candy
I'm listening . . .
they sell a plethora of different haribo product, including the star mixi irl do go to the dollar store about once a month to load up on candy, including boxed spree, bottle caps, and runts, amongst other select candy
I'm listening . . .
https://twitter.com/jim_howington/status/1602334122420195330?t=UUKk-hPSZAqiLLHsaJzJlw&s=19
This guy is saying it was a massive stroke and he most likely won't survive.
That's gross, if posted by an actual human.https://twitter.com/jim_howington/status/1602334122420195330?t=UUKk-hPSZAqiLLHsaJzJlw&s=19
This guy is saying it was a massive stroke and he most likely won't survive.
I can't take this seriously, at all, even if this dude is telling the truth. If this is how friend, why the eff is he running to twitter to tell everyone he's dead, before he's dead, all while tagging sports journalists. It's possibly the greatest Look At Me Louie of all time and it's regarding the death of a friend.
https://twitter.com/GeorgeStoia/status/1602371210704306185?s=20&t=uJZHY0gFQwK8WOXn03l8OwThat’s good stuff
https://twitter.com/jim_howington/status/1602334122420195330?t=UUKk-hPSZAqiLLHsaJzJlw&s=19
This guy is saying it was a massive stroke and he most likely won't survive.
Have all of these Tweets been removed?I hope so goodbuddy :frown:
Have to think a lot of coaches around his age are giving retirement at an early age a lot more serious look now. Coaching at this level is enormously stressful. Kind of crazy how good bill looks for 83 given he basically didn’t sleep for 30 years and ate one meal a day.My impression has always been that most head coaches who reach that high of a level would rather die than retire. I’d be surprised if it changes many coaches’ perspective. They just approach life differently.
If I was doing something I loved and it was overall a positive thing for the world (or at least not hurting anyone), I'd just keep doing it until I couldn't anymore or until I was dead. That's a huge life "win" if you can pull that off.
Big game Bob and Urban both retired early due to health reasons and it’s been speculated Klieman is leaning towards hanging it up around 60. We shall see, but I’m guessing a few more than usual will over the coming years.Stoops is a good example of doing things right, imo. Urban is a good example of the opposite since he hasn’t been able to stay retired for more than like 1-2 years.
Big game Bob and Urban both retired early due to health reasons and it’s been speculated Klieman is leaning towards hanging it up around 60. We shall see, but I’m guessing a few more than usual will over the coming years.Stoops is a good example of doing things right, imo. Urban is a good example of the opposite since he hasn’t been able to stay retired for more than like 1-2 years.
Basically playing stairway to heaven in your bedroom when you used to be an actual rock star.Big game Bob and Urban both retired early due to health reasons and it’s been speculated Klieman is leaning towards hanging it up around 60. We shall see, but I’m guessing a few more than usual will over the coming years.Stoops is a good example of doing things right, imo. Urban is a good example of the opposite since he hasn’t been able to stay retired for more than like 1-2 years.
Stoops is coaching again in the XFL
Big game Bob and Urban both retired early due to health reasons and it’s been speculated Klieman is leaning towards hanging it up around 60. We shall see, but I’m guessing a few more than usual will over the coming years.Stoops is a good example of doing things right, imo. Urban is a good example of the opposite since he hasn’t been able to stay retired for more than like 1-2 years.
Stoops is coaching again in the XFL
Basically playing stairway to heaven in your bedroom when you used to be an actual rock star.Big game Bob and Urban both retired early due to health reasons and it’s been speculated Klieman is leaning towards hanging it up around 60. We shall see, but I’m guessing a few more than usual will over the coming years.Stoops is a good example of doing things right, imo. Urban is a good example of the opposite since he hasn’t been able to stay retired for more than like 1-2 years.
Stoops is coaching again in the XFL