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Title: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 20, 2011, 03:42:46 PM
this thread is an open conversation on why kstate should or should not hire mike leach right now. feel free to bring comments either way and we can have an open discussion.


why kstate should hire mike leach-

1) snyder is just "calming the waters"-  he is old and apparently only came back to calm things until a suitable replacement could be found. this is what he has stated publicly and we have no reason to not believe him. he would be happy to step aside.

2) snyder is just "calming the waters"- he is old and apparently only came back to calm things until a suitable replacement could be found. people who he and the staff are recruiting against are using this against him and his staff. ex.-"hey there 18 yr old four star! why would you go to kansas state when their coach is old and has publicly said that he is just there to "calm the waters"? "

3) head to head record as coaches in the same conference at similar schools- mike leach beat LHC Bill Snyder 4/5 times that they met. this includes games from 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005 and 2009. the combined score of the 2004 and 2005 games was 94-45. not very competitive. 2009 was even worse- 66-14.





so...those are my big 3. there are more, but i'll hold off for now and not mention respective ages or how many bowl games each went to in their last five years as head football coach in which they were members of the same conference in similar locals or how one may or may not have coached in a much more difficult division of the big12. open discussion for why this is not a viable option for the kansas state university football program should now commence.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 20, 2011, 03:44:39 PM
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ltrain on January 20, 2011, 03:53:45 PM
2) snyder is just "calming the waters"- he is old and apparently only came back to calm things until a suitable replacement could be found. people who he and the staff are recruiting against are using this against him and his staff. ex.-"hey there 18 yr old four star! why would you go to kansas state when their coach is old and has publicly said that he is just there to "calm the waters"? "

 

This doesn't get brought up enough IMO.  I mean Snyder and staff are bad enough at recruiting as-is. If its between Leach and Snyder then I'm pro-Leach.  If its between Leach, Snyder, RichRod, Wierd Robert or someone else then I might have to sleep on it
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 20, 2011, 03:55:21 PM
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.

i don't either. that's why i started the thread. i came up with around a bajillion why leach is the better option right now but could not come up with one for why snyder was the better option. i guess maybe old people money favors snyder. dunno? i think the money would more than work itself out if leach came on board though. people (humans) are insanely horrible on predicting what will make them happy in the future.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ew2x4 on January 20, 2011, 04:01:11 PM
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.

Leach is weird and piratey and hits kids.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 20, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
I give this thread  :katpak:  :katpak:  :katpak:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on January 20, 2011, 04:04:17 PM
OK, but is there ANY reason to think Leach might consider coaching at tKSU?  :dunno:  Maybe it's in another thread and I missed it.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: OK_Cat on January 20, 2011, 04:05:25 PM
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.

Leach is weird and piratey and hits kids.

Those are also in favor of Leach.   :ck:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 20, 2011, 04:09:06 PM
OK, but is there ANY reason to think Leach might consider coaching at tKSU?  :dunno:  Maybe it's in another thread and I missed it.

Yeah.  See the article where he was begging for every open BCS job and only got a sniff at Maryland.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 20, 2011, 04:10:34 PM
Leach could work with the kind of QB that we are able to get.  Not just work with, but set rough ridin' records.

We would have an amazing offense very quickly.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 20, 2011, 04:14:14 PM
OK, but is there ANY reason to think Leach might consider coaching at tKSU?  :dunno:  Maybe it's in another thread and I missed it.

he took the head coaching job at texas tech was interested in coaching maryland.  i mean seriously. i don't know the guy personally and don't know what makes him tick but he comes off as a guy that would take a job just for the fun of it to prove some things. especially in a conference that he previously spent time in (ten years). besides, he's fifty. who exactly is going to hire him with his "baggage"? georgia? florida? usc? lol. wait...what's that? kstate you say? kstate might want to hire him? ok. lets do it.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Cire on January 20, 2011, 04:15:02 PM
not going to happen so why even talk about it.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on January 20, 2011, 04:15:50 PM
OK, but is there ANY reason to think Leach might consider coaching at tKSU?  :dunno:  Maybe it's in another thread and I missed it.

Yeah.  See the article where he was begging for every open BCS job and only got a sniff at Maryland.

OK, but is there ANY reason to think Leach might consider coaching at tKSU?  :dunno:  Maybe it's in another thread and I missed it.

he took the head coaching job at texas tech was interested in coaching maryland.  i mean seriously. i don't know the guy personally and don't know what makes him tick but he comes of as a guy that would take a job just for the fun of it to prove some things. especially in a conference that he previously spent time in (ten years). besides, he's fifty. who exactly is going to hire him with his "baggage"? georgia? florida? usc? lol. wait...what's that? kstate you say? kstate might want to hire him? ok. lets do it.

I thought it was unclear whether Leach turned down Maryland or Maryland turned him down.  If Leach turned down Maryland, not sure why he'd come to tKSU...  So, seems to me this may be just another theoretical argument (like "is Snyder a better coach than Gary Patterson right now"), but I'd like to see Leach on the sidelines myself.  Carry on with thread...
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 20, 2011, 04:17:53 PM
Yeah, the way it seemed to play out(assuming 810 info is ok) is that Mike was all but given the job, then two weeks later and only days before mike was to sign, Maryland up and hired the UConn turd and told Mike to GTFOOTF's.

He has gotta be wide open to a rebound relationship after being treated like that.  I would love to be Mike's rebound.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 20, 2011, 04:19:05 PM
not going to happen so why even talk about it.

If this season is bad enough for Snyder to get fired/step down, Currie had better have a damned good candidate if he doesn't at least try to get Leach.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: HeinBallz on January 20, 2011, 04:21:00 PM
Would  :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: Leach.

But I think the first step is getting rid of OBZ which is not likely to happen.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ChiComCat on January 20, 2011, 04:22:16 PM
He'll never again seem so cheap and ripe for the plucking.

I don't think he'll make thru another off season of changes.  Even if he were to, someone one would at least give him a sniff and force us to up our offer.  

Leach could be our coach AND AT A rough ridin' BARGAIN TO BOOT!
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 20, 2011, 04:22:44 PM
leach is on record saying that he doesn't think that maryland seriously considered him. dunno.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: willie on January 20, 2011, 04:22:58 PM
Threads like this make me real sad.  They give me hope that there might be like minded people that run our AD and could make something like this happen, but . . . sigh . . . it won't.

We'll trot Bill and his rejects out there for another season.

 :frown:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on January 20, 2011, 04:43:25 PM
This season is our only chance. It will not come again. eff you for hating Kansas State Bill....or, alternatively, eff you for being too old/ignorant/Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to see what you have done and are doing.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 20, 2011, 04:50:13 PM
Seriously, what is the update on the billboard?  I am in and willing to donate.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 20, 2011, 04:51:38 PM
I give this thread  :katpak:  :katpak:  :katpak:


if your scale is a possible three katpaks then i agree. go cats. it is also an open invitation for anyone to argue pro snyder given our current situation that we are in. however, this is not twenty years ago and bill himself has publicly stated that he is just here to calm waters. they are now calm. very. we now have a new athletic director that everyone is fully behind and a new university president that everyone wholeheartedly supports. bill deserves our thanks and undying gratitude for coming out of retirement to do what he did. we named the stadium after him and would do it again. now is the time to move on though and leach should be the target and we should hire him. done deal.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: j rake on January 20, 2011, 04:59:01 PM
not going to happen so why even talk about it.

Sort of what I'm thinking.

But I'll eventually come around because discussing coaches is my favorite thing to do in life.  :grin:

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 20, 2011, 04:59:43 PM
I give this thread  :katpak:  :katpak:  :katpak:


if your scale is a possible three katpaks then i agree. go cats. it is also an open invitation for anyone to argue pro snyder given our current situation that we are in. i mean, this is not twenty years ago and bill himself has publicly stated that he is just here to calm waters. they are calm. very. and bill deserves our thanks and undying gratitude for coming out of retirement to do what he did. now is the time to move on though and leach should be the target and we should go after him in full on attack mode.

It was 2.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 20, 2011, 05:02:50 PM
If you stop and think about it, Leach is the perfect fit for K-State.

Once he's won over the Shirt Tucks and the "(Insert Coach Name here) says and does is fine by me" crowd . . . he'll essentially have a lifetime job at K-State.   He'll be able to stuff millions of dollars in his pocket . . . and we'll all have a lot of fun to boot.

The problem is getting past the Shirt Tucks who never get the Pirates brand of sarcasm and wit.



Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: kso_FAN on January 20, 2011, 05:04:30 PM
I have been pro-Leach for a long time. Unfortunately I don't think a change will happen between now and next season, at least not at the HC spot.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 20, 2011, 05:09:32 PM
I agree that nothing will happen this season with Bill. 

Just nervous that we get another 7 win season and another shitty bowl.  No way Currie will fire Bill on a bowl year.  I know the conf sched is tougher, but what if... :ohno:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Benja on January 20, 2011, 05:14:13 PM
I honestly for the most part believed Bill when he said he was only coming back to calm the waters/step aside when the time is right. I feel like a fool. I'll never underestimate Bill's nepotism again; at this point it's all about his love and obsession with being in control again, surrounded by yes men, holding our football program hostage while he moves his son up the coaching ladder and gives his grandson a full ride just because he can.

We've already squandered one golden opportunity with JL, and are about to squander another in ML because we have a head coach who lied to us about his intentions and has no plan to step aside when the time is right, but rather to stick around until he damn well pleases and his ego is satisfied.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on January 20, 2011, 05:48:06 PM
I agree that nothing will happen this season with Bill. 

THIS IS THE crap THAT PISSES ME OFF.  Why not?  Why won't something happen?  I know it's not Currie.  He wants to hire a HC more than anything on this earth.  You knwo what it is?  It's Bill because he's busy working on a pencil version of an excel spreadsheet to derive the best way to get Sean in the HC spot.  Currie doesn't yet have the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) KSU fanbase in his pocket to the point he can fire or force out the man the stadium is named after (eff you wefald) and it's up to us to make him know he does.  Sure, money talks.  But, I know tons of rich fucks that don't like Bill as our current HC.  Hell, I bet Jack Vanier would fist pump his ass off if we got Mike Leach at the helm. 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Benja on January 20, 2011, 05:48:09 PM
Basically I'm saying this sucks.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Skipper44 on January 20, 2011, 05:49:28 PM
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Benja on January 20, 2011, 05:51:26 PM
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on January 20, 2011, 05:55:13 PM
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.

The unknown is much less scary than our guaranteed suck
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: felix rex on January 20, 2011, 06:16:44 PM
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.

The unknown is much less scary than our guaranteed suck

I swear, our older fanbase is like a battered women's shelter. It's like we're happy that he's just not hitting us in the face anymore and we're convinced that no one else could ever love us. In the meantime, we've grown to emotionally need the now quotidian beatings. Because we've deserve them.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: 0.42 on January 20, 2011, 06:18:42 PM
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.

The unknown is much less scary than our guaranteed suck

I swear, our older fanbase is like a battered women's shelter. It's like we're happy that he's just not hitting us in the face anymore and we're convinced that no one else could ever love us. In the meantime, we've grown to emotionally need the now quotidian beatings. Because we've deserve them.

Somebody just needs to tell them that they are fulfilling every single stereotype that KU fans throw in their faces. They're the metaphorical Uncle Toms helping the University of Kansas. Once they finally understand this, then we can start making progress as an athletic program and a university as a whole.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: felix rex on January 20, 2011, 06:19:50 PM
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.

The unknown is much less scary than our guaranteed suck

I swear, our older fanbase is like a battered women's shelter. It's like we're happy that he's just not hitting us in the face anymore and we're convinced that no one else could ever love us. In the meantime, we've grown to emotionally need the now quotidian beatings. Because we've deserve them.

Somebody just needs to tell them that they are fulfilling every single stereotype that KU fans throw in their faces. They're the metaphorical Uncle Toms helping the University of Kansas. Once they finally understand this, then we can start making progress as an athletic program and a university as a whole.

I've tried hugging them and repeatedly saying "It's not your fault. It's not your fault."
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on January 20, 2011, 06:20:17 PM
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.

The unknown is much less scary than our guaranteed suck

I swear, our older fanbase is like a battered women's shelter. It's like we're happy that he's just not hitting us in the face anymore and we're convinced that no one else could ever love us. In the meantime, we've grown to emotionally need the now quotidian beatings. Because we've deserve them.

Somebody just needs to tell them that they are fulfilling every single stereotype that KU fans throw in their faces. They're the metaphorical Uncle Toms helping the University of Kansas. Once they finally understand this, then we can start making progress as an athletic program and a university as a whole.

Two excellent posts back to back right here.  50 internet credits to both of you.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 20, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
I remember when everyone said there is no way KSU could hire Huggins.  It was pointless to talk about.  He wasn't a Weiser guy.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on January 20, 2011, 07:07:34 PM
I remember when everyone said there is no way KSU could hire Huggins.  It was pointless to talk about.  He wasn't a Weiser guy.

exactly
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 20, 2011, 07:09:28 PM
eff our dumbshit fans.

Mike Leach.

Christ.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: felix rex on January 20, 2011, 07:11:23 PM
I've learned a lot about the psychological profile of our fanbase these past six months. Wish there was a way to leverage that, other than hiring more old, white coaches.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: The Whale on January 20, 2011, 07:11:31 PM
It's the idea stuck in every rough ridin' shirt tucks head that nobody else on this planet can win at lil' old K-State besides Bill. Seriously, like most horrible things in this world, it's fueled by fear of the unknown.

The unknown is much less scary than our guaranteed suck

Of course the portion of the fanbase in question would be happy with 3-4 wins a year with Snyder in charge as long as one of the wins was against KU -- BECAUSE IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE BILL!
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on January 20, 2011, 07:19:55 PM
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Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: felix rex on January 20, 2011, 07:25:38 PM
We are a hot tub away from a Viagra commercial.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Tobias on January 20, 2011, 07:26:34 PM
 :horrorsurprise:

It's like Chris Hansen caught the same predator a whole bunch of times.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Benja on January 20, 2011, 07:29:03 PM
The battered-women mentality post was dead on. Have you ever tried having this conversation with a shirt tuck? You bring up the idea of Snyder stepping down to even the most progressive forward-thinking of tucks and they immediately shut down.

I mean, what the hell happened to these guys? They're like the women who's been beaten in every relationship she's ever had and doesn't understand that there's a world out there that exists in which she doesn't have to get her teeth smashed in for over-cooking the meatloaf.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: felix rex on January 20, 2011, 07:30:36 PM
We are a hot tub away from a Viagra commercial.

Check that. We are a flomax commercial.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 20, 2011, 08:52:16 PM
eff our dumbshit fans.

Mike Leach.

Christ.

...and there is the billboard message
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: O-town Kat on January 20, 2011, 08:57:18 PM
The Fire Cosh signs at the bball games need to be...pro-Leach?  Just kind of need to start sweeping Bill under the rug and not go after him with a billboard.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 20, 2011, 09:12:14 PM
The Fire Cosh signs at the bball games need to be...pro-Leach?  Just kind of need to start sweeping Bill under the rug and not go after him with a billboard.

"Retire Snyder
Hire Leach"

Simple and to the point.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: O-town Kat on January 20, 2011, 09:38:16 PM
 Hire the Pirate
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Stupid Fitz on January 20, 2011, 09:49:09 PM
It is really fracking sad that our lottery ticket is just sitting around waiting to be bought and it isn't going to happen. Just sitting there!!!  Won't be there next year, just sitting there. Instead, we are just going to sit back, watch that old mother fracker completely tear this effer down and in 5 years when he does leave, we will hire someone that we will have to get really lucky on, when we just ignored the winning ticket.

There will never be a more perfect situation for Kat football to be relevant again, never.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: wetwillie on January 20, 2011, 10:00:04 PM
I agree that nothing will happen this season with Bill. 

THIS IS THE cac THAT PISSES ME OFF.  Why not?  Why won't something happen?  I know it's not Currie.  He wants to hire a HC more than anything on this earth.  You knwo what it is?  It's Bill because he's busy working on a pencil version of an excel spreadsheet to derive the best way to get Sean in the HC spot.  Currie doesn't yet have the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) KSU fanbase in his pocket to the point he can fire or force out the man the stadium is named after (eff you wefald) and it's up to us to make him know he does.  Sure, money talks.  But, I know tons of rich effs that don't like Bill as our current HC.  Hell, I bet Jack Vanier would fist pump his ass off if we got Mike Leach at the helm. 

What specific action do you think would  make something happen this season?  I agree with you in regards to Currie wanting to hire a HC. What is it going to take to get the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fanbase in his pocket? I guess I just don't see any possible scenario that we get rid of Bill this year, outside of his own death.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: dontfeedthebear on January 21, 2011, 08:09:47 AM
How many BCS games has Leach gone to?  How many times has he won the South??  He ran a gimmick offense and never had a defense, until they ran him out of town.  Using the logic that he beat us 4 out of 5 times should mean Texas should hire LHC Bill Snyder (or Ron Prince).  Snyder took Prince guys to a bowl game...Prince didn't recruit Thomas as a running back.  Snyder isn't the long term solution, but neither is Leach.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on January 21, 2011, 08:14:30 AM
How many BCS games has Leach gone to?  How many times has he won the South??  He ran a gimmick offense and never had a defense, until they ran him out of town.  Using the logic that he beat us 4 out of 5 times should mean Texas should hire LHC Bill Snyder (or Ron Prince).  Snyder took Prince guys to a bowl game...Prince didn't recruit Thomas as a running back.  Snyder isn't the long term solution, but neither is Leach.

He had a winning record every single season he was at TTech and that was playing in a brutal Big 12 south with crap players because nobody wanted to come to Lubbock.  He is the perfect fit for K-State.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2011, 08:16:58 AM
How many BCS games has Leach gone to?  How many times has he won the South??  He ran a gimmick offense and never had a defense, until they ran him out of town.  Using the logic that he beat us 4 out of 5 times should mean Texas should hire LHC Bill Snyder (or Ron Prince).  Snyder took Prince guys to a bowl game...Prince didn't recruit Thomas as a running back.  Snyder isn't the long term solution, but neither is Leach.

Snyder going to a BCS game 8 years ago is irrelevant.  Leach is better than Snyder at everything RIGHT NOW.  

(Also, Leach's 2008 defense was 3rd in the conference, and was 5th last year.  Snyder's last 2 were 8th and 9th).
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: dontfeedthebear on January 21, 2011, 08:36:07 AM
It's a brutal Big 12 South that we'll be playing every year.  He never came out of there alive.  We should get someone who can beat Texas and Oklahoma consistently.  Prince's players should be gone.  If we're mediocre next season, let's have these talks.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Trim on January 21, 2011, 08:41:20 AM
We should get someone who can beat Texas and Oklahoma consistently.

:lol:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 21, 2011, 08:42:04 AM
How many BCS games has Leach gone to?  How many times has he won the South??  He ran a gimmick offense and never had a defense, until they ran him out of town.  Using the logic that he beat us 4 out of 5 times should mean Texas should hire LHC Bill Snyder (or Ron Prince).  Snyder took Prince guys to a bowl game...Prince didn't recruit Thomas as a running back.  Snyder isn't the long term solution, but neither is Leach.

over his last six years as head coach at texas tech, his teams had a 31-17 conference record and finished the season in the top20 five out of those six years. This was done while being a member of the south conference and having to play south teams every year. starting next year, kstate will have a conference schedule that will be very similar to what leach dealt with at texas tech. top20 almost every year and winning 2/3's of conference games is something that i would be very, very happy with and leach has a proven track record of being able to deliver this.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2011, 08:48:05 AM
Basically, here's the argument:

Leach's consistent top 20 finishes aren't good enough for us, so we should stick with Snyder's .500 seasons until we find someone that can consistently finish in the top 10 at Kansas State.

Makes sense.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: O-town Kat on January 21, 2011, 08:52:32 AM
Pirate [email protected]
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: bakerman on January 21, 2011, 09:59:59 AM
Basically, here's the argument:

Leach's consistent top 20 finishes aren't good enough for us, so we should stick with Snyder's .500 seasons until we find someone that can consistently finish in the top 10 at Kansas State.

Makes sense.

The exactness of this is infuriating...   :bang:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: catzacker on January 21, 2011, 10:09:17 AM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2011, 10:12:11 AM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=7131.msg154804#msg154804
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: catzacker on January 21, 2011, 10:20:30 AM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=7131.msg154804#msg154804

a season of nebraska-like games would be fantastic.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: The Whale on January 21, 2011, 10:25:33 AM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=7131.msg154804#msg154804

a season of nebraska-like games would be fantastic.

If it came to it, would OB sacrifice Cosh to save his job next season?

I could see a press conference next offseason where OB is near tears lamenting fans demand for instant gratification as he announces Cosh's termination.  By doing that, he'd re-win over all of the 'tucks and guarantee himself another couple of years.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Andy on January 21, 2011, 11:02:39 AM
there won't be a fanbase ever in American history more committed to having an awful season than us.  go get'em cats!
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2011, 11:03:57 AM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=7131.msg154804#msg154804

a season of nebraska-like games would be fantastic.

If it came to it, would OB sacrifice Cosh to save his job next season?

I could see a press conference next offseason where OB is near tears lamenting fans demand for instant gratification as he announces Cosh's termination.  By doing that, he'd re-win over all of the 'tucks and guarantee himself another couple of years.

OB should not be given that chance next season. He had the chance this season and failed to do so.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: bakerman on January 21, 2011, 11:08:49 AM
 :facepalm:  I've never hated being a KSU alumn before, but for christ's sake, crap like that makes me embarrassed to tell people....

Stranger: Where'd you go to school?

Me: I graduated from KSU.

Stranger: Oh, you're the dipshits that say you should be happy with a  .500 season and going to bowl game that was just created this year.

Me: Uh.... Yeah, that'd be us....
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Chingon on January 21, 2011, 01:06:16 PM
I hope KSU goes undefeated and Bill retires in a blaze of glory handing the title of head coach off to an excited invigorated bran-eating Urban Meyer.

TIME FOR URBAN TO GO RURAL.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2011, 01:07:57 PM
I hope KSU goes undefeated and Bill retires in a blaze of glory handing the title of head coach off to an excited invigorated bran-eating Urban Meyer.

TIME FOR URBAN TO GO RURAL.

I hope for this as well. eff those pussies hoping we are awful.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: chum1 on January 21, 2011, 01:17:32 PM
this is a good argument right now, but i think i will wait to see if there is a better argument in the future. i'd also like to see if this argument right now sounds worse in the future.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Chingon on January 21, 2011, 01:19:33 PM
this is a good argument right now, but i think i will wait to see if there is a better argument in the future. i'd also like to see if this argument right now sounds worse in the future.
off topic, but why does your devil guy have bandages on his ears?

thanks i'll listen off air.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ew2x4 on January 21, 2011, 01:21:12 PM
It's a brutal Big 12 South that we'll be playing every year.  He never came out of there alive.  We should get someone who can beat Texas and Oklahoma consistently.  Prince's players should be gone.  If we're mediocre next season, let's have these talks.

Hey you! Respond to this immediately:

Basically, here's the argument:

Leach's consistent top 20 finishes aren't good enough for us, so we should stick with Snyder's .500 seasons until we find someone that can consistently finish in the top 10 at Kansas State.

Makes sense.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Chingon on January 21, 2011, 01:23:32 PM
It's a brutal Big 12 South that we'll be playing every year.  He never came out of there alive.  We should get someone who can beat Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma consistently.  Prince's players should be gone.  If we're mediocre next season, let's have these talks.
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Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: chum1 on January 21, 2011, 01:45:46 PM
this is a good argument right now, but i think i will wait to see if there is a better argument in the future. i'd also like to see if this argument right now sounds worse in the future.
off topic, but why does your devil guy have bandages on his ears?

thanks i'll listen off air.

dBs
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2011, 02:29:05 PM
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.

HERE IS YOUR REASON!

Quote
KSU vs Big12 Avg scores. 2008: KSU 28 Big12 42.375 -14.375 2009: KSU 22.75 Big12 27 -4.25 2010: KSU 38.375 Big12 30.25 +8.125.

2008: -14.375
2009: -4.25
2010: +8.125

(http://rlv.zcache.com/how_do_you_like_them_apples_tshirt-p235109507105504045t5tr_400.jpg)
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Cire on January 21, 2011, 09:38:09 PM
diff between huggs and leach is that we were actually actively searching for a coach when huggs was hired.  We won't be looking for a coach for 2 years.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Gooch on January 22, 2011, 11:37:35 AM
diff between huggs and leach is that we were actually actively searching for a coach when huggs was hired.  We won't be looking for a coach for 2 years.
This is rough ridin' depressing.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 24, 2011, 08:02:37 PM
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.

HERE IS YOUR REASON!

Quote
KSU vs Big12 Avg scores. 2008: KSU 28 Big12 42.375 -14.375 2009: KSU 22.75 Big12 27 -4.25 2010: KSU 38.375 Big12 30.25 +8.125.

2008: -14.375
2009: -4.25
2010: +8.125

(http://rlv.zcache.com/how_do_you_like_them_apples_tshirt-p235109507105504045t5tr_400.jpg)

can you do this again but take into account that ksu didn't have to play texas tech in 2010 and get beat by them 50 points like they did in 2008 and 2009. i would say if anything, the above supports the fire the eff out of snyder today and hire mike leach. am i wrong? i'm not very smart at math type stuff and things.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: kso_FAN on January 25, 2011, 09:46:21 AM
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.

HERE IS YOUR REASON!

Quote
KSU vs Big12 Avg scores. 2008: KSU 28 Big12 42.375 -14.375 2009: KSU 22.75 Big12 27 -4.25 2010: KSU 38.375 Big12 30.25 +8.125.

2008: -14.375
2009: -4.25
2010: +8.125

(http://rlv.zcache.com/how_do_you_like_them_apples_tshirt-p235109507105504045t5tr_400.jpg)

can you do this again but take into account that ksu didn't have to play texas tech in 2010 and get beat by them 50 points like they did in 2008 and 2009. i would say if anything, the above supports the fire the eff out of snyder today and hire mike leach. am i wrong? i'm not very smart at math type stuff and things.

I'm quoting a poster from GPC.

I think that's one of the most ridiculous (bad) stats trying to show improvement that I've ever seen.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 25, 2011, 11:04:28 AM
You people want to trade an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for...

For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.

Brilliant.

Continue with the reach-arounds below.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 25, 2011, 11:20:06 AM
You people want to trade an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for...

For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.

Brilliant.

Continue with the reach-arounds below.

Mike is not 190 yrs old.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 25, 2011, 11:58:46 AM
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.

Where do you get this idea? 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: j rake on January 25, 2011, 04:34:23 PM
From Dennis Dodd, CBS Sports:

"I'd be thrilled to get back into coaching," Leach says now. "This year I've met a wider variety of people, a broader base ... I'm proud of what we did at Texas Tech. We had teamwork with fans, won more bowl games than the rest of the time combined. That was exciting. Recruiting was exciting ... This [life] is exciting too."

When I met Leach for the first time in 1999, he was the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma. An up-and-comer in the profession back then, Leach was typically locked in -- sitting in his office wearing a windbreaker, watching film and munching out of a bag from Hardee's.

"I hate Hardee's," said the trimmer Leach when reminded of that day. "That would have been a day of desperation. There was a time I lived off coffee, beef jerky and one gigantic meal at night."

There are different days of desperation now. Whether it be a breakthrough job at OU or club ball in France, at least it was coaching, and it was wonderful, and Leach would love to do it again.

If only someone would call.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 25, 2011, 05:00:24 PM
Depressing.   

Feels horrible. 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 25, 2011, 05:04:05 PM
From Dennis Dodd, CBS Sports:

"I'd be thrilled to get back into coaching," Leach says now. "This year I've met a wider variety of people, a broader base ... I'm proud of what we did at Texas Tech. We had teamwork with fans, won more bowl games than the rest of the time combined. That was exciting. Recruiting was exciting ... This [life] is exciting too."

When I met Leach for the first time in 1999, he was the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma. An up-and-comer in the profession back then, Leach was typically locked in -- sitting in his office wearing a windbreaker, watching film and munching out of a bag from Hardee's.

"I hate Hardee's," said the trimmer Leach when reminded of that day. "That would have been a day of desperation. There was a time I lived off coffee, beef jerky and one gigantic meal at night."

There are different days of desperation now. Whether it be a breakthrough job at OU or club ball in France, at least it was coaching, and it was wonderful, and Leach would love to do it again.

If only someone would call.



this is just so sad. i mean, everybody knows that this would be THE perfect move for ksu but we can't do it. it would be PERFECT, but we just can't. sorry guys, can't do the PERFECT option. we'll just keep doing what we're doing with this thing that is far less than perfect.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 25, 2011, 05:05:24 PM
this is just so sad. i mean, everybody knows that this would be THE perfect move for ksu but we can't do it. it would be PERFECT, but we just can't. sorry guys, can't do the PERFECT option. we'll just keep doing what we're doing with this thing that is far less than perfect.

The best reason given?

We won't make a change for at least two year.  That's it?  I feel sad.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 25, 2011, 05:06:49 PM
Someone needs to tweet the Dodd piece to Currie. 

Maybe he just doesn't think the hot chick would go out with him, so he saves face by not even asking?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: kstatefreak42 on January 25, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
Who wants to coach at futility U?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 25, 2011, 06:16:33 PM
Who wants to coach at futility U?

someone who is unemployed?  :dunno:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MadCat on January 25, 2011, 11:24:17 PM
Who wants to coach at futility U?

someone who is unemployed?  :dunno:
A homeless guy with a golden voice who loves hookers and blow?  :dunno:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 11:16:17 AM
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.

Where do you get this idea? 

From Lyle Setencich
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: KSUTOMMY on January 26, 2011, 11:22:14 AM
Who wants to coach at futility U?

someone who is unemployed?  :dunno:
A homeless guy with a golden voice who loves hookers and blow?  :dunno:

Nah, I've already got a gig, thanks for the offer though.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 01:18:47 PM
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.

Where do you get this idea? 

From Lyle Setencich

sounds like a loser
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2011, 01:28:41 PM
You people want to trade an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for...

For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.

Brilliant.

Continue with the reach-arounds below.

I would trade current LHC Bill Snyder for Mike Leach aged LHC Bill Snyder if that's what you are asking
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 01:53:23 PM
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.

Where do you get this idea? 

From Lyle Setencich

sounds like a loser

(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/text/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/1274109.jpeg)

wow, shocking that I nailed it.

Turns out he's the DC Leach fired midseason because he sucked.

:lol:

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2011, 01:57:53 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2011, 02:12:05 PM
Wow.  I haven't seen a post blow up like that since Beems big man camp post.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: 0.42 on January 26, 2011, 02:13:28 PM
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.

Where do you get this idea? 

From Lyle Setencich

sounds like a loser

(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/text/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/1274109.jpeg)

wow, shocking that I nailed it.

Turns out he's the DC Leach fired midseason because he sucked.

:lol:



(http://goEMAW.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/horrorsurprise.gif)
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2011, 02:37:25 PM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530)

 :users:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2011, 02:42:42 PM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530)

 :users:

nicely done nk
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 02:43:51 PM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9185.msg197530#msg197530)

 :users:

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Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 02:54:56 PM
I'm confused by your replies.

Mike Leach hired Lyle Setencich and employed him for 5 years as his defensive coordinator.  FIVE YEARS!

Then he hired Ruffin McNeill who was slightly better...but not much.

If we hire Mike Leach he'll probably keep Cosh as DC.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: The Whale on January 26, 2011, 02:55:41 PM
For an offensive genius that nobody wants to work for.

Where do you get this idea? 

From Lyle Setencich

sounds like a loser

(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/text/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/1274109.jpeg)

wow, shocking that I nailed it.

Turns out he's the DC Leach fired midseason because he sucked.

:lol:



(http://www.animateit.net/data/media/10/3.gif)
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2011, 03:00:11 PM
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat. 

In a heart Beat.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:06:05 PM
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat. 

In a heart Beat.

Really????

Can you name the school with the worst defense in Div 1 football this year?  And can you tell me the name of that school's head coach?

Thanks, I'll listen off the air.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2011, 03:07:33 PM
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat. 

In a heart Beat.

Really????

Can you name the school with the worst defense in Div 1 football this year?  And can you tell me the name of that school's head coach?

Thanks, I'll listen off the air.

Kansas State, LHC Bill Snyder
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2011, 03:11:09 PM
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat. 

In a heart Beat.

Really????

Can you name the school with the worst defense in Div 1 football this year?  And can you tell me the name of that school's head coach?

Thanks, I'll listen off the air.

Ruffin did a great job with the D under leach.

Quote
Defensive improvements
With McNeill at the defensive helm, the Red Raiders' defense improved in every defensive category.[5] Under Setencich, Tech ranked seventh in pass defense, ninth in total defense, and tenth in scoring defense in Big 12 Conference play. In nine games with McNeill, Tech improved to first in pass and total defense and fourth in scoring defense.[10] The Red Raiders forced more punts and allowed fewer rushing and passing yards than they did to begin the season.[11] These vast improvements in the defense led Leach to drop the interim tag and make McNeill the full-time defensive coordinator.[11]

From Wikipedia.  I know it isn't a great source, but this fit my need and it was easy.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:13:48 PM
Would take McNeil as our DC in a heart beat. 

In a heart Beat.

Really????

Can you name the school with the worst defense in Div 1 football this year?  And can you tell me the name of that school's head coach?

Thanks, I'll listen off the air.

Kansas State, LHC Bill Snyder

Close, but no.

I'll give you a hint...they gave up 76 points in a home loss to Navy and 62 in their loss at Rice.  They held exactly three of their 13 opponents to less than 40 points...anyone?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:16:57 PM
They held exactly THREE of their THIRTEEN opponents to less than FORTY points.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2011, 03:26:06 PM
They held exactly THREE of their THIRTEEN opponents to less than FORTY points.



ECU allowed 6.5 yards per play. KSU allowed 6.4 yards per play.

Ruffin McNeil was head coach of ECU (in his first year), not defensive coordinator. If you think that it is impressive for a BCS program to have a defense that is just a hair better than the ECU's and ULM's of the world, more power to you, I guess.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:38:09 PM
LHC Bill Snyder is the head coach at KSU, not defensive coordinator.  He has never coached a team that gave up 76 points in a game.  Ever. Especially to a service academy.

BTW, I have nothing personal against Ruffin McNeill and I hope he has a speedy recovery from the bariatric surgery that he elected to have right in the middle of the recruiting season.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 03:51:11 PM
I'm confused by your replies.

Mike Leach hired Lyle Setencich and employed him for 5 years as his defensive coordinator.  FIVE YEARS!

Then he hired Ruffin McNeill who was slightly better...but not much.

If we hire Mike Leach he'll probably keep Cosh as DC.



I agree that Leach should have fired your loser Uncle Lyle sooner.  By firing Lyle midseason, Leach showed growth and risk-taking as a coach, which I like.  I don't see how this translates to keeping Cosh as DC or somehow makes Lyle's opinion on Leach valid, but whatever.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:53:44 PM
 :comehere:

wanna guess who Ruffin McNeill's defensive coordinator worked for before Ruffin hired him?  (BTW, he is still employed by ECU)

That's right.  He was Mike Leach's DB coach for 4 years.  http://www.ecupirates.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mitchell_brian00.html

You still think it can't get worse than Chris Cosh?  You are wrong.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2011, 03:55:10 PM
LHC Bill Snyder is the head coach at KSU, not defensive coordinator.  He has never coached a team that gave up 76 points in a game.  Ever. Especially to a service academy.

BTW, I have nothing personal against Ruffin McNeill and I hope he has a speedy recovery from the bariatric surgery that he elected to have right in the middle of the recruiting season.

 :facepalm: It's a whole lot different when a service academy scores 76 points against teams like ECU than it would be if they did it to K-State. Also, once again, McNeill didn't coordinate that defense. The job he did at Tech was remarkable when you consider the amount of time any Mike Leach coached defense is going to be on the field.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 03:59:59 PM

 :facepalm: It's a whole lot different when a service academy scores 76 points against teams like ECU than it would be if they did it to K-State.

Why?  Are you trying to argue that our defensive players have more talent than the ECU players?  I find that very hard to believe.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2011, 04:01:22 PM

 :facepalm: It's a whole lot different when a service academy scores 76 points against teams like ECU than it would be if they did it to K-State.

Why?  Are you trying to argue that our defensive players have more talent than the ECU players?  I find that very hard to believe.

And why is it that our defensive players don't have more talent than ECU players? Is it because Cosh and Snyder are shitty recruiters? You aren't helping your case here.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 04:03:19 PM
Total defense in conference games only:

KSU 10: 466.6 YPG (11th), 6.5 YPP  (9th)
KSU 09: 389.3 YPG (8th), 5.9 YPP (10th)

TT 09: 338.9 YPG (5th), 4.8 YPP (5th)
TT 08: 384.4 YPG (3rd), 5.8 YPP (5th)
TT 07: 409.4 YPG (5th), 5.2 YPP (3rd)

Yeah, pretty much the same as Cosh.

:lol:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2011, 04:07:44 PM
No one is saying that Cosh is the absolute worst human in the nation when it comes to DC ability.

Everyone saying is that he is a horrible DC.

Difference. 

He is well below the average in our league. 

Enough to fire his ass.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 04:16:51 PM
Total defense in conference games only:

KSU 10: 466.6 YPG (11th), 6.5 YPP  (9th)
KSU 09: 389.3 YPG (8th), 5.9 YPP (10th)

TT 09: 338.9 YPG (5th), 4.8 YPP (5th)
TT 08: 384.4 YPG (3rd), 5.8 YPP (5th)
TT 07: 409.4 YPG (5th), 5.2 YPP (3rd)

Yeah, pretty much the same as Cosh.

:lol:

You are comparing a staff that had been established for 10 years against a staff that was cleaning up Ron Prince's mess.  Apples to Oranges.

When the core of Leach's defensive staff went to ECU they took the 71st best defense in D1 football and turned them into the absolute worst defense in the country.  They took over a team that did not allow a single team to score 40 points against them in 2009 and they let 10 out of 13 opponents score more than 40 points against them in 2010.

Do you know how many teams have scored 40 or more on KSU in the last two years?  Less than 10.  That's how many.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 04:22:23 PM
No one is saying that Cosh is the absolute worst human in the nation when it comes to DC ability.

Everyone saying is that he is a horrible DC.

Difference. 

He is well below the average in our league. 

Enough to fire his ass.

I completely agree.  This thread is about Mike Leach. 

I'm just pointing out the sad but obvious fact that Mike Leach has never employed a better DC than Chris Cosh.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2011, 04:24:14 PM
Going by points allowed is not a good method of evaluating a defense.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 04:29:32 PM
Total defense in conference games only:

KSU 10: 466.6 YPG (11th), 6.5 YPP  (9th)
KSU 09: 389.3 YPG (8th), 5.9 YPP (10th)

TT 09: 338.9 YPG (5th), 4.8 YPP (5th)
TT 08: 384.4 YPG (3rd), 5.8 YPP (5th)
TT 07: 409.4 YPG (5th), 5.2 YPP (3rd)

Yeah, pretty much the same as Cosh.

:lol:

You are comparing a staff that had been established for 10 years against a staff that was cleaning up Ron Prince's mess.  Apples to Oranges.

When the core of Leach's defensive staff went to ECU they took the 71st best defense in D1 football and turned them into the absolute worst defense in the country.  They took over a team that did not allow a single team to score 40 points against them in 2009 and they let 10 out of 13 opponents score more than 40 points against them in 2010.

Do you know how many teams have scored 40 or more on KSU in the last two years?  Less than 10.  That's how many.

That's some cute irrelevant bullshit.  How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?

*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 04:29:59 PM
Going by points allowed is not a good method of evaluating a defense.

You prefer a swimsuit competition?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 04:32:48 PM

That's some cute irrelevant bullshit.  How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?

*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons

We need a defense.  Must have.  Leach does not bring that.  At all.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2011, 04:34:14 PM

That's some cute irrelevant bullshit.  How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?

*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons

We need a defense.  Must have.  Leach does not bring that.  At all.

We need change to make that happen.  Bill isn't buying any change.

Mike is change.  He will bring in a mostly new staff.  Gotta like the odds that said staff will have a better DC than Cosh. 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 04:35:52 PM

That's some cute irrelevant bullshit.  How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?

*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons

We need a defense.  Must have.  Leach does not bring that.  At all.

I honestly don't give two shits how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years.  If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 04:52:13 PM

That's some cute irrelevant bullshit.  How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?

*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons

We need a defense.  Must have.  Leach does not bring that.  At all.

I honestly don't give two shits how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years.  If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.

I prefer to have a team that can step on the field and compete with anybody.  Teams that give up 30+ ppg to regular teams get the absolute crap kicked out of them when they line up against the best (Auburn or Oregon this year.)  If you have a defense, you have a chance. 

How can you watch Syracuse walk down the field on every single drive and not be infuriated?  I can't take it.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2011, 04:55:08 PM
First off, Ira, if U.S. News or any other academic accreditation and ranking entity calls you up and asks about K-State, you are to disavow all knowledge of the school.   If you don't, say goodbye to our tenuous hold as a Tier 1 school, and likely multiple accreditations will soon follow.

2009 Texas Tech Total Defense Rank 49th.   Scoring Defense 41st

2008 Texas Tech Total Defense 79  Scoring Defense 74th

2007  Texas Tech Total Defense 45th Scoring Defense 49th

2006  Texas Tech Total Defense 58th Scoring Defense 76th

2005  Texas Tech Total Defense 30th Scoring Defense 18th

Avg Total Defense Rank: 52   Avg Scoring Defense Rank: 51
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2011, 05:02:23 PM

That's some cute irrelevant bullshit.  How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?

*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons

We need a defense.  Must have.  Leach does not bring that.  At all.

I honestly don't give two shits how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years.  If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.

I prefer to have a team that can step on the field and compete with anybody.  Teams that give up 30+ ppg to regular teams get the absolute crap kicked out of them when they line up against the best (Auburn or Oregon this year.)  If you have a defense, you have a chance. 

How can you watch Syracuse walk down the field on every single drive and not be infuriated?  I can't take it.

The Syracuse game wouldn't have infuriated me if we won by 30 like Mike Leach's team would have done.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: j rake on January 26, 2011, 05:02:38 PM
Too bad Kirk Ferentz has so many NFL ties.

If he gets canned, would be a great get for KSU.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 05:06:55 PM

That's some cute irrelevant bullshit.  How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?

*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons

We need a defense.  Must have.  Leach does not bring that.  At all.

I honestly don't give two shits how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years.  If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.

I prefer to have a team that can step on the field and compete with anybody.  Teams that give up 30+ ppg to regular teams get the absolute crap kicked out of them when they line up against the best (Auburn or Oregon this year.)  If you have a defense, you have a chance.  

How can you watch Syracuse walk down the field on every single drive and not be infuriated?  I can't take it.


I would prefer to play in the National Title game every year, and I won't accept any coach unless they guarantee that type of success. Until we find that coach, I'll stick with Snyder, thank you very much.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2011, 05:08:08 PM
Cannot imagine how elite it would be to get to an NC game and have Auburn or Oregon kick the crap out of it.  Would be fantastic.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2011, 05:09:41 PM
Cannot imagine how elite it would be to get to an NC game and have Auburn or Oregon kick the crap out of it.  Would be fantastic.

The run to get there . . . epic.   Like the Old Ball Coach always says, winning the conference is the goal, everything else has a high degree of uncertainty. 

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 05:17:36 PM
First off, Ira, if U.S. News or any other academic accreditation and ranking entity calls you up and asks about K-State, you are to disavow all knowledge of the school.   If you don't, say goodbye to our tenuous hold as a Tier 1 school, and likely multiple accreditations will soon follow.

2009 Texas Tech Total Defense Rank 49th.   Scoring Defense 41st

2008 Texas Tech Total Defense 79  Scoring Defense 74th

2007  Texas Tech Total Defense 45th Scoring Defense 49th

2006  Texas Tech Total Defense 58th Scoring Defense 76th

2005  Texas Tech Total Defense 30th Scoring Defense 18th

Avg Total Defense Rank: 52   Avg Scoring Defense Rank: 51


My elite "Tier 1" education tells me that the 50th best defense in the country is worse than 49 other schools.

My elite "Tier 1" research skills reveal that TCU had the best defense this year and they lost zero games.


Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 05:20:25 PM
Cannot imagine how elite it would be to get to an NC game and have Auburn or Oregon kick the crap out of it.  Would be fantastic.

Don't need to go to the NC game to get that wonderful feeling of getting the crap kicked out of you.  Texas and OU. Every year. Fantastic.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2011, 05:22:21 PM
Cannot imagine how elite it would be to get to an NC game and have Auburn or Oregon kick the crap out of it.  Would be fantastic.

Don't need to go to the NC game to get that wonderful feeling of getting the crap kicked out of you.  Texas and OU. Every year. Fantastic.

Would love to go 10-2 every year.  Would be elite.  They would have to rename the cotton bowl after Mike.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 05:22:48 PM

That's some cute irrelevant bullshit.  How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?

*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons

We need a defense.  Must have.  Leach does not bring that.  At all.

I honestly don't give two shits how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years.  If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.

I prefer to have a team that can step on the field and compete with anybody.  Teams that give up 30+ ppg to regular teams get the absolute crap kicked out of them when they line up against the best (Auburn or Oregon this year.)  If you have a defense, you have a chance.  

How can you watch Syracuse walk down the field on every single drive and not be infuriated?  I can't take it.


I would prefer to play in the National Title game every year, and I won't accept any coach unless they guarantee that type of success. Until we find that coach, I'll stick with Snyder, thank you very much.

smartass.  You asked for an argument against Mike Leach.  I gave you one.  Suck it.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Chingon on January 26, 2011, 05:34:40 PM
First off, Ira, if U.S. News or any other academic accreditation and ranking entity calls you up and asks about K-State, you are to disavow all knowledge of the school.   If you don't, say goodbye to our tenuous hold as a Tier 1 school, and likely multiple accreditations will soon follow.

2009 Texas Tech Total Defense Rank 49th.   Scoring Defense 41st

2008 Texas Tech Total Defense 79  Scoring Defense 74th

2007  Texas Tech Total Defense 45th Scoring Defense 49th

2006  Texas Tech Total Defense 58th Scoring Defense 76th

2005  Texas Tech Total Defense 30th Scoring Defense 18th

Avg Total Defense Rank: 52   Avg Scoring Defense Rank: 51


My elite "Tier 1" education tells me that the 50th best defense in the country is worse than 49 other schools.

My elite "Tier 1" research skills reveal that TCU had the best defense this year and they lost zero games.



How did Auburn's defense rank?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 05:43:27 PM
First off, Ira, if U.S. News or any other academic accreditation and ranking entity calls you up and asks about K-State, you are to disavow all knowledge of the school.   If you don't, say goodbye to our tenuous hold as a Tier 1 school, and likely multiple accreditations will soon follow.

2009 Texas Tech Total Defense Rank 49th.   Scoring Defense 41st

2008 Texas Tech Total Defense 79  Scoring Defense 74th

2007  Texas Tech Total Defense 45th Scoring Defense 49th

2006  Texas Tech Total Defense 58th Scoring Defense 76th

2005  Texas Tech Total Defense 30th Scoring Defense 18th

Avg Total Defense Rank: 52   Avg Scoring Defense Rank: 51


My elite "Tier 1" education tells me that the 50th best defense in the country is worse than 49 other schools.

My elite "Tier 1" research skills reveal that TCU had the best defense this year and they lost zero games.



How did Auburn's defense rank?

Don't have that stat in front of me, but Auburn's 265yds passing and 254yds rushing sure beat the crap out of Oregon's Mike Leachish 374yds passing and 75yds rushing didn't they?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Chingon on January 26, 2011, 05:49:32 PM
First off, Ira, if U.S. News or any other academic accreditation and ranking entity calls you up and asks about K-State, you are to disavow all knowledge of the school.   If you don't, say goodbye to our tenuous hold as a Tier 1 school, and likely multiple accreditations will soon follow.

2009 Texas Tech Total Defense Rank 49th.   Scoring Defense 41st

2008 Texas Tech Total Defense 79  Scoring Defense 74th

2007  Texas Tech Total Defense 45th Scoring Defense 49th

2006  Texas Tech Total Defense 58th Scoring Defense 76th

2005  Texas Tech Total Defense 30th Scoring Defense 18th

Avg Total Defense Rank: 52   Avg Scoring Defense Rank: 51


My elite "Tier 1" education tells me that the 50th best defense in the country is worse than 49 other schools.

My elite "Tier 1" research skills reveal that TCU had the best defense this year and they lost zero games.



How did Auburn's defense rank?

Don't have that stat in front of me, but Auburn's 265yds passing and 254yds rushing sure beat the crap out of Oregon's Mike Leachish 374yds passing and 75yds rushing didn't they?
Game was decided by a last second field goal...
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2011, 05:51:21 PM

That's some cute irrelevant bullshit.  How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?

*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons

We need a defense.  Must have.  Leach does not bring that.  At all.

I honestly don't give two shits how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years.  If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.

I prefer to have a team that can step on the field and compete with anybody.  Teams that give up 30+ ppg to regular teams get the absolute crap kicked out of them when they line up against the best (Auburn or Oregon this year.)  If you have a defense, you have a chance.  

How can you watch Syracuse walk down the field on every single drive and not be infuriated?  I can't take it.


I would prefer to play in the National Title game every year, and I won't accept any coach unless they guarantee that type of success. Until we find that coach, I'll stick with Snyder, thank you very much.

smartass.  You asked for an argument against Mike Leach.  I gave you one.  Suck it.

No, here's what I asked for:

I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.

Nothing you mentioned is an argument for Snyder over Leach.  You're just making an argument for a National-Title caliber coach over Leach.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Cire on January 26, 2011, 07:26:12 PM

That's some cute irrelevant bullcac.  How does this make Mike Leach* a bad hire for KSU?

*top 20 rankings, five of his last six seasons

We need a defense.  Must have.  Leach does not bring that.  At all.

I honestly don't give two cacs how we finish in the top twenty 5 of 6 years.  If we win 10 games a year by the score of 50-49, sign me the eff up.

I prefer to have a team that can step on the field and compete with anybody.  Teams that give up 30+ ppg to regular teams get the absolute cac kicked out of them when they line up against the best (Auburn or Oregon this year.)  If you have a defense, you have a chance. 

How can you watch Syracuse walk down the field on every single drive and not be infuriated?  I can't take it.


I would prefer to play in the National Title game every year, and I won't accept any coach unless they guarantee that type of success. Until we find that coach, I'll stick with Snyder, thank you very much.

smartass.  You asked for an argument against Mike Leach.  I gave you one.  Suck it.

No, here's what I asked for:

I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.

Nothing you mentioned is an argument for Snyder over Leach.  You're just making an argument for a National-Title caliber coach over Leach.

Nobody on this earth can make the argument that snyder is a better option than leach.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Ira Hayes on January 26, 2011, 07:44:53 PM

Nothing you mentioned is an argument for Snyder over Leach.  You're just making an argument for a National-Title caliber coach over Leach.

I'm making an argument that Leach is not better than Snyder.  I can't bring myself to go all the way and argue that Snyder is better than Leach so I guess you win.

The only thing about Snyder that is better than Leach is that Snyder is older so he gives us a better chance of making a change sooner rather than later.  Hire Leach and we're stuck with no defense for at least another 4-5 years.  Probably longer.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Cire on January 26, 2011, 08:05:51 PM

Nothing you mentioned is an argument for Snyder over Leach.  You're just making an argument for a National-Title caliber coach over Leach.

I'm making an argument that Leach is not better than Snyder.  I can't bring myself to go all the way and argue that Snyder is better than Leach so I guess you win.

The only thing about Snyder that is better than Leach is that Snyder is older so he gives us a better chance of making a change sooner rather than later.  Hire Leach and we're stuck with no defense for at least another 4-5 years.  Probably longer.

his defenses did a pretty good job of fist effing snyders offenses.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2011, 09:51:55 PM
Jesus, how hard is it to understand that when your offense scores quickly, you don't run the ball, and you don't punt, the defense will give up more points? Tech beat either Texas or OU just about as often as they lost to both. They just never beat both in the same season. It doesn't matter if you give up 30 points per game if your offense averages 40. Tech's defenses were really good, especially with McNeil.

We will at best win 5-6 games next season. There is no way in hell Texas Tech under Mike Leach would win less than 8 games next season.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2011, 05:43:43 AM
First off, Ira, if U.S. News or any other academic accreditation and ranking entity calls you up and asks about K-State, you are to disavow all knowledge of the school.   If you don't, say goodbye to our tenuous hold as a Tier 1 school, and likely multiple accreditations will soon follow.

2009 Texas Tech Total Defense Rank 49th.   Scoring Defense 41st

2008 Texas Tech Total Defense 79  Scoring Defense 74th

2007  Texas Tech Total Defense 45th Scoring Defense 49th

2006  Texas Tech Total Defense 58th Scoring Defense 76th

2005  Texas Tech Total Defense 30th Scoring Defense 18th

Avg Total Defense Rank: 52   Avg Scoring Defense Rank: 51


My elite "Tier 1" education tells me that the 50th best defense in the country is worse than 49 other schools.

My elite "Tier 1" research skills reveal that TCU had the best defense this year and they lost zero games.



How did Auburn's defense rank?

Don't have that stat in front of me, but Auburn's 265yds passing and 254yds rushing sure beat the crap out of Oregon's Mike Leachish 374yds passing and 75yds rushing didn't they?

My elite mind tells me that averaging 50th in the country, is a hell of a lot better than at or near dead rough ridin' last.    That's better than nearly 70 D1 schools . . . and as Cire said, here's K-State under LHC Bill Snyder's "prolific" offensive output vs Texas Tech and Mike Leach: 28, 19, 25, 20, 14.   Snyder vs Leach: 1-4.









Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on March 29, 2011, 10:06:12 AM
ESPN' Ubben:

Quote
Iowa State's coaching clinic is set for this weekend, and you may recognize the keynote speaker on Friday night: Former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach.

 :ohno:  we might be waiting too long.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: OK_Cat on March 29, 2011, 10:09:58 AM
richrod working at ou, leach working at iowa state

jfc, bill, die already.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: KSUTOMMY on March 29, 2011, 12:50:47 PM
richrod working at ou, leach working at iowa state

jfc, bill, die already.

Thanks Bill.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 15, 2011, 02:08:34 PM
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/highschool/recruiting/blog/2011/08/fau_recruit_thinks_extexas_tec.html (http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/highschool/recruiting/blog/2011/08/fau_recruit_thinks_extexas_tec.html)
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: 0.42 on August 15, 2011, 02:41:31 PM
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/highschool/recruiting/blog/2011/08/fau_recruit_thinks_extexas_tec.html (http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/highschool/recruiting/blog/2011/08/fau_recruit_thinks_extexas_tec.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhI0OVs_zj0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhI0OVs_zj0)
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MichiganisGood on August 15, 2011, 02:58:01 PM
Rich Rod or Mike Leach would be perfect for KSU IMO..

Guys with effective offenses and don't need top 10 recruiting classes to make them effective...

I have a hard time seeing KSU ever being able to recruit well enough to be a consistent dominant defensive force, so you gotta go out and grab an offensive coach that can make defense less important (if that makes any sense)..

Kind of what Snyder was in his younger days which allowed KSU to be all bad ass when I was a kid..
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: pissclams on August 15, 2011, 03:01:10 PM
K-State was a consistent dominant defensive force.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: KITNfury on August 15, 2011, 03:02:11 PM
Rich Rod or Mike Leach would be perfect for KSU IMO..

Guys with effective offenses and don't need top 10 recruiting classes to make them effective...

I have a hard time seeing KSU ever being able to recruit well enough to be a consistent dominant defensive force, so you gotta go out and grab an offensive coach that can make defense less important (if that makes any sense)..

Kind of what Snyder was in his younger days which allowed KSU to be all bad ass when I was a kid..
We were sorta ok at defense back in OB V1.0
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MichiganisGood on August 15, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
K-State was a consistent dominant defensive force.

Oh, well then I guess you can just disregard the rest of the message..

I was real young I just remember Michael Bishop, Lockett, Sproles, Roberson and the like..
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on August 15, 2011, 03:04:01 PM
Rich Rod or Mike Leach would be perfect for KSU IMO..

get out! :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: OB_Won on August 15, 2011, 03:04:20 PM
(if that makes any sense)..
Better go knucklebang another deucer.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 15, 2011, 03:04:44 PM
I'll take LCBS.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MichiganisGood on August 15, 2011, 03:33:08 PM
(if that makes any sense)..
Better go knucklebang another deucer.

 :shakesfist:

Maybe you're just too dumb to understand my brilliance, buddy !!!
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 15, 2011, 03:53:50 PM
Our assistants should definitely start telling recruits that Bill is really old and when he retires Mike Leach will be their coach.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Johnny Wichita on September 21, 2011, 10:01:01 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Mike-Leach-college-football-most-honest-man-092111


Want so bad. 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: KCFDcat on September 21, 2011, 10:19:16 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Mike-Leach-college-football-most-honest-man-092111


Want so bad. 

SO. BAD.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Deez Nutz on November 29, 2011, 09:28:33 AM
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired?  Who do we dream about then?   :ohno:

(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker) 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: LickNeckey on November 29, 2011, 09:35:43 AM
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.

how many Big XII Doc Peppers does Mikey got???   :gocho:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Deez Nutz on November 29, 2011, 10:07:02 AM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 

I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker.  Must have been very painful for you to endure.   :cry:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: OK_Cat on November 29, 2011, 10:20:41 AM
deez nutz is extremely butthurt about all of this (correct usage)
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Deez Nutz on November 29, 2011, 11:11:41 AM
deez nutz is extremely butthurt about all of this (correct usage)

Really it's just that I'm just elated our administration did not follow the advice and whims of all the "Fire Snyder, Hire Leach" crowd.  If they had, I would have been very butthurt about it.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: fatty fat fat on November 29, 2011, 11:27:08 AM
Quote
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing.  

what an unstable douche
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 29, 2011, 11:30:27 AM
great thread everyone.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2011, 11:39:05 AM
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired?  Who do we dream about then?   :ohno:

(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker) 

And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.

You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along?  Kiss my ass.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: catzacker on November 29, 2011, 11:45:45 AM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 

I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker.  Must have been very painful for you to endure.   :cry:

i regret nothing.

ksu football since 2004
4-7, 5-6, 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6, 10-3

Which one is not like the other….
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2011, 11:47:08 AM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 

I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker.  Must have been very painful for you to endure.   :cry:

i regret nothing.

ksu football since 2004
4-7, 5-6, 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6, 10-3

Which one is not like the other….


I should add I don't regret a goddam thing I said, either.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: fatty fat fat on November 29, 2011, 11:47:37 AM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 

I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker.  Must have been very painful for you to endure.   :cry:

i regret nothing.

ksu football since 2004
4-7, 5-6, 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6, 10-3

Which one is not like the other….


you don't realize, you simply cannot say things like that. you come off as extremely unlikable. does that mean anything to you?!?!
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: catzacker on November 29, 2011, 11:49:52 AM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 

I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker.  Must have been very painful for you to endure.   :cry:

i regret nothing.

ksu football since 2004
4-7, 5-6, 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6, 10-3

Which one is not like the other….


you don't realize, you simply cannot say things like that. you come off as extremely unlikable. does that mean anything to you?!?!

on the outside, no.  on the inside, it hurts, bro.  it hurts.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Lefty on November 29, 2011, 11:52:20 AM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 

I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker.  Must have been very painful for you to endure.   :cry:

i regret nothing.

ksu football since 2004
4-7, 5-6, 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6, 10-3

Which one is not like the other….


I should add I don't regret a goddam thing I said, either.

Go ahead and not regret it, but I hope you know that you're probably a pessimistic asshat that nobody likes to watch games with. You're probably a loser that is always searching for greener pastures in life and is never happy with anything. You probably have a cool 6 year old boy at home who you constantly berate and tell him how much he sucks at things.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: OK_Cat on November 29, 2011, 11:58:55 AM
next year when we suck again, all of these tucks will vanish again, rusty.   :cheers:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 29, 2011, 12:02:39 PM
i bet rusty and zacker would be great fun to watch a game with.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 29, 2011, 12:07:19 PM
I've really enjoyed all the winning this season.  One of the most fun seasons ever.  I feel bad for anyone who feels different.  
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on November 29, 2011, 12:15:13 PM
I've really enjoyed all the winning this season.  One of the most fun seasons ever.  I feel bad for anyone who feels different.  

some just can't handle it cf3.  some just can't. 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2011, 12:25:42 PM
He came to calm the waters, waters are calmed, he isn't leaving. That is the real issue IMO
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Deez Nutz on November 29, 2011, 12:37:16 PM
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired?  Who do we dream about then?   :ohno:

(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker) 

And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.

You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along?  Kiss my ass.

I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all.  I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins.  This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked.  Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted.  You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder.  But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four.  It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great.  It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.

I did not "hide" when things were not great.  I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster.  The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway.  I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder.  It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.


Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: AbeFroman on November 29, 2011, 12:41:58 PM
next year In 2 years when we suck again, all of these tucks will vanish again, rusty.   :cheers:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on November 29, 2011, 12:46:33 PM
If you blindly support any coach that is losing you are part of the problem.  Everyone that demanded better, congratulations.  You were the solution.  It's up to all of us to make sure our coach doesn't get complacent again.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2011, 12:51:15 PM
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired?  Who do we dream about then?   :ohno:

(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker) 

And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.

You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along?  Kiss my ass.

I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all.  I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins.  This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked.  Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted.  You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder.  But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four.  It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great.  It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.

I did not "hide" when things were not great.  I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster.  The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway.  I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder.  It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.


Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?

It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Gooch on November 29, 2011, 12:51:23 PM
I still want Cosh gone.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2011, 12:55:41 PM
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired?  Who do we dream about then?   :ohno:

(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker) 

And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.

You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along?  Kiss my ass.

I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all.  I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins.  This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked.  Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted.  You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder.  But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four.  It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great.  It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.

I did not "hide" when things were not great.  I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster.  The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway.  I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder.  It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.


Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?

It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.

Yeah, we can't pretend that Snyder is going to live forever. If Snyder were a younger man, I would have been perfectly content with his performance coming into this season. Snyder proved me and a whole lot of other people wrong by going out and possibly winning 11 games this year, though.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: catzacker on November 29, 2011, 01:00:06 PM
if you love ksu, you will cheer for it to have an god awful season this year.  i'm dead serious.  the only way he goes is if we suck.  i'm hopeful that ku beats us by 2 touchdowns.  the new conf schedule and ron prince's scheduling might be a blessing. 

I'm so sorry that things didn't quite work out for you this year, catzacker.  Must have been very painful for you to endure.   :cry:

i regret nothing.

ksu football since 2004
4-7, 5-6, 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6, 10-3

Which one is not like the other….


I should add I don't regret a goddam thing I said, either.

Go ahead and not regret it, but I hope you know that you're probably a pessimistic asshat that nobody likes to watch games with. You're probably a loser that is always searching for greener pastures in life and is never happy with anything. You probably have a cool 6 year old boy at home who you constantly berate and tell him how much he sucks at things.

He’s actually 3 years old…and maybe if worked harder at throwing a tighter spiral,  I wouldn’t have to berate him.  
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: pissclams on November 29, 2011, 01:25:33 PM
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired?  Who do we dream about then?   :ohno:

(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)  

And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.

You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along?  Kiss my ass.

I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all.  I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins.  This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked.  Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted.  You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder.  But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four.  It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great.  It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.

I did not "hide" when things were not great.  I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster.  The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway.  I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder.  It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.


Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?

It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.

in the history of the b12, only 6 coaches have won at least 8 games in a season.  ya, sure thing rusty, tons of coaches can do that.  :lol:

give it up, you're full of F.A.I.L. on every level in this thread and don't have a clue about football coaches.  
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2011, 01:31:02 PM
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired?  Who do we dream about then?   :ohno:

(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker)  

And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.

You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along?  Kiss my ass.

I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all.  I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins.  This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked.  Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted.  You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder.  But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four.  It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great.  It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.

I did not "hide" when things were not great.  I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster.  The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway.  I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder.  It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.


Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?

It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.

in the history of the b12, only 6 coaches have won at least 8 games in a season.  ya, sure thing rusty, tons of coaches can do that.  :lol:

give it up, you're full of F.A.I.L. on every level in this thread and don't have a clue about football coaches.  

LHC Bill Snyder, Mark Mangino, Gary Pinkel, Bob Stoops, Les Miles, Art Briles, Mike Gundy, R.C. Slocum, Dennis Franchione, Mack Brown, Dan McCarney, and I easily could have missed one or two more.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Deez Nutz on November 29, 2011, 01:32:19 PM
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired?  Who do we dream about then?   :ohno:

(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker) 

And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.

You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along?  Kiss my ass.

I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all.  I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins.  This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked.  Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted.  You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder.  But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four.  It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great.  It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.

I did not "hide" when things were not great.  I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster.  The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway.  I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder.  It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.


Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?

It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.

If it isn't personal, did you really have to throw in the part about him being a dickhead?

Quote
LHC Bill Snyder rough ridin' sucks at coaching football in 2011 and is a dickhead. eff him.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14664.msg348449#msg348449 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14664.msg348449#msg348449)
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: kso_FAN on November 29, 2011, 01:35:11 PM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14664.msg348449#msg348449 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14664.msg348449#msg348449)

Oh man, what a fun thread.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: BMWWcat on November 29, 2011, 01:48:47 PM
I still want Cosh gone.

I almost like this comment as much as I like those wings you make...and those were some damn fine wings.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2011, 01:54:33 PM
If it isn't personal, did you really have to throw in the part about him being a dickhead?

Quote
LHC Bill Snyder rough ridin' sucks at coaching football in 2011 and is a dickhead. eff him.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14664.msg348449#msg348449 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14664.msg348449#msg348449)

No, I absolutely did not have to call him a dickhead. But I liked the effect.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Deez Nutz on November 29, 2011, 02:19:53 PM
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired?  Who do we dream about then?   :ohno:

(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker) 

And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.

You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along?  Kiss my ass.

I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all.  I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins.  This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked.  Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted.  You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder.  But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four.  It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great.  It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.

I did not "hide" when things were not great.  I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster.  The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway.  I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder.  It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.


Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?

It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.

The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him.  Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance?  And guess what!  My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record.  I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around.  Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year? 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2011, 02:29:13 PM
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired?  Who do we dream about then?   :ohno:

(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker) 

And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.

You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along?  Kiss my ass.

I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all.  I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins.  This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked.  Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted.  You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder.  But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four.  It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great.  It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.

I did not "hide" when things were not great.  I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster.  The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway.  I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder.  It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.


Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?

It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.

The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him.  Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance?  And guess what!  My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record.  I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around.  Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year? 


Just as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as we did when we hired him a second time, most likely.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2011, 02:37:11 PM

The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him.  Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance?  And guess what!  My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record.  I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around.  Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year? 


A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: EMAW4life-JHL on November 29, 2011, 02:45:15 PM
I cant believe anyone is actually arguing that we should or should have fired snyder. :facepalm:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MadCat on November 29, 2011, 02:50:04 PM
I cant believe anyone is actually arguing that we should or should have fired snyder. :facepalm:

I don't believe he should have been rehired, but I'm not going to go Occupy Vanier or anything.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: chum1 on November 29, 2011, 03:03:42 PM
why the eff are we still talking about leach when neuheisel is available?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on November 29, 2011, 03:25:55 PM
why the eff are we still talking about leach when neuheisel is available?

chum makes a good point here
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Deez Nutz on November 29, 2011, 03:31:59 PM

The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him.  Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance?  And guess what!  My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record.  I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around.  Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year? 


A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.

I don't think that is always the case.  And there wasn't ample evidence to believe LHC Bill Snyder was not a top-flight coach anymore at the end of last year.  I think that any coach we hired in 2008 would have been in rebuilding mode for at least two seasons considering the circumstances with all the jucos from Prince's last class screwing up the scholarship numbers, etc.  And I'm not saying that Snyder is above criticism.  But there was certainly no logical reason to fire him.  Very seldom does a school fire a coach after a winning season, and when they do it is normally a very big school with extremely high expectations because of its proven ability to recruit at a high level.  Nebraska fired Frank Solich in 2003 after going 9-3, but look where that got them.  It turned out to be a huge mistake which cost them years of mediocrity.  I think at a place like K-State loyalty and patience matter, especially after the guy literally saved our school from being kicked out of the Big 8. 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: EMAW4life-JHL on November 29, 2011, 03:40:16 PM
Frank Solich got fired for being a drunk prick.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Deez Nutz on November 29, 2011, 03:42:49 PM
Just as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as we did when we hired him a second time, most likely.

People may have been a little dubious about his ability to replicate the success of the DOD, but the hire certainly did not look Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  What looked Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) was the whole "It's Patterson!" thing before that.  For the record, I wanted Gary Patterson to be hired as much as anybody because I thought he was the best option at the time, and I still haven't forgiven Fitz for screwing that up.  But once they hired Snyder, I think he has deserved our full support. 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2011, 03:46:12 PM
Just as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as we did when we hired him a second time, most likely.

People may have been a little dubious about his ability to replicate the success of the DOD, but the hire certainly did not look Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  What looked Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) was the whole "It's Patterson!" thing before that.  For the record, I wanted Gary Patterson to be hired as much as anybody because I thought he was the best option at the time, and I still haven't forgiven Fitz for screwing that up.  But once they hired Snyder, I think he has deserved our full support. 

You really didn't have any problems with hiring a 70 year old man to rebuild a football program? No rational thinker would expect him to exceed what Ron Prince accomplished before he retired a second time given the roster he had to work with.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: chum1 on November 29, 2011, 03:46:58 PM
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate:  mack brown and rick neuheisel.  there is no losing with those two.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 29, 2011, 03:52:51 PM
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate:  mack brown and rick neuheisel.  there is no losing with those two.

At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: chum1 on November 29, 2011, 03:57:19 PM
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate:  mack brown and rick neuheisel.  there is no losing with those two.

At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6

At K-State:
 :love: :love: :love:
 :love: :love: :love:
 :love: :love: :love:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Brock Landers on November 29, 2011, 05:13:06 PM
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate:  mack brown and rick neuheisel.  there is no losing with those two.

At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6

At K-State:
 :love: :love: :love:
 :love: :love: :love:
 :love: :love: :love:


Neuheisel in a purple sweater vest   :chub:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: pissclams on November 29, 2011, 05:17:11 PM
So if the Jayhawks snag Mike Leach right out from under us now, do we still want Snyder fired?  Who do we dream about then?   :ohno:

(Some real gems in this thread by rusty and catzacker) 

And where the hell were you, bad person? No one in this thread, (except maybe fatty), thought we would have anything close to the season we had. No one.

You hid when things weren't great, and come out now and act like you were right all along?  Kiss my ass.

I did not expect a 10-win season this year at all.  I figured it would be around year four before we got 8 or more wins.  This year I expected maybe 6 or 7 wins and to finish better than 8th in the conference as we were picked.  Yet even with those expectations, I knew it would be bat-crap crazy to fire the guy as you clowns wanted.  You have to give a coach a chance to either succeed or fail, and after only two years and coming off a 7-win bowl season, that was yet to be determined with Snyder.  But I knew there as a much greater chance he would eventually succeed than fail, especially by year four.  It just so happens we took that huge step forward this year, which is great.  It's just that your dumb ass didn't even want to give him that chance despite his proven record as a winner in the past.

I did not "hide" when things were not great.  I have always supported Snyder, just not in every thread because I have never been a prolific poster.  The number of posts and threads attacking him the past two years have been too numerous for me to sit around wasting my time defending him at every turn, and it is not like your dumb ass would have listened to reason anyway.  I have read many threads the past two years where people have tried that and failed to reason with you regarding Snyder.  It's like you and a few others have (or had) a personal vendetta against him for some reason.


Here's the thing. If Snyder is only winning 7 wins max, or 8 wins after 4 years like you thought he would, THERE IS NO rough ridin' POINT TO HAVING HIM AROUND. Tons of coaches can do that. Snyder's old, and his craptastic staff leaves no shot at continuity when he retires. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?

It isn't personal, it's about what I thought was best for the football program. Idiot.

in the history of the b12, only 6 coaches have won at least 8 games in a season.  ya, sure thing rusty, tons of coaches can do that.  :lol:

give it up, you're full of F.A.I.L. on every level in this thread and don't have a clue about football coaches. 

LHC Bill Snyder, Mark Mangino, Gary Pinkel, Bob Stoops, Les Miles, Art Briles, Mike Gundy, R.C. Slocum, Dennis Franchione, Mack Brown, Dan McCarney, and I easily could have missed one or two more.

man.  you really showed me.  disproved a stat that i made up.  props NK'd.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 29, 2011, 05:27:13 PM

The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him.  Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance?  And guess what!  My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record.  I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around.  Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year? 


A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.

A top-flight coach doesn't come to ku (or KSU).
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Deez Nutz on November 29, 2011, 05:33:05 PM

The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him.  Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance?  And guess what!  My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record.  I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around.  Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year? 


A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.

A top-flight coach doesn't come to ku (or KSU).

Exactly.  Especially if you unjustly fire a former top-flight coach whose name is on the stadium. 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: theymightbegiants on November 29, 2011, 06:25:29 PM
There seems to be a very short list of programs that the fans either do not want leach, or are willing to admit they can't afford/aren't a big enough draw for him.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2011, 06:39:32 PM
Leach would have been interested last year. Without a freaking doubt.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ChiComCat on November 29, 2011, 06:49:08 PM
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate:  mack brown and rick neuheisel.  there is no losing with those two.

At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6

6-6 and..... A conference championship game appearance.  Pretty much Snyder's first year back, but better.  HE WAS 2 YEARS AWAY UCLA!!!
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: TBL on November 29, 2011, 07:10:26 PM
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate:  mack brown and rick neuheisel.  there is no losing with those two.

At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6

6-6 and..... A conference championship game appearance.  Pretty much Snyder's first year back, but better.  HE WAS 2 YEARS AWAY UCLA!!!

A back door, blindfolded walk into the conference championship.    :jerk:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2011, 09:29:02 PM
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate:  mack brown and rick neuheisel.  there is no losing with those two.

At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6

6-6 and..... A conference championship game appearance.  Pretty much Snyder's first year back, but better.  HE WAS 2 YEARS AWAY UCLA!!!

Just IMAGINE if they win. . .
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ChiComCat on November 29, 2011, 10:10:24 PM
there are only two coaches i can think of who would transcend Ws and Ls if they coached at kstate:  mack brown and rick neuheisel.  there is no losing with those two.

At UCLA:
4-8
7-6
4-8
6-6

6-6 and..... A conference championship game appearance.  Pretty much Snyder's first year back, but better.  HE WAS 2 YEARS AWAY UCLA!!!

Just IMAGINE if they win. . .

Right?!?!?! Hell, for a 6-6 team, they sure have a lot on the line at the end of the season.  Good for them
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: j-dub on November 29, 2011, 10:21:39 PM
Frank Solich got fired for being a drunk prick.

my goodness have they strayed from that sort of person with callahan and pelini.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: KSUBrian on November 29, 2011, 11:01:12 PM
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.

Okay I guess I will try. How about 1 conf championship and on the verge of another versus none.  Or maybe a handful of divisional titles, number 1 ranking, and legitimate shot to play in the MNC game versus nada.  And last but not least, not being an absolute assclown in interviews and in social settings.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: j-dub on November 29, 2011, 11:15:34 PM
I'd like someone to explain why Snyder is a better option than Leach at this point.  I'd just like to hear one real goddam reason.  I don't think it's possible.

Okay I guess I will try. How about 1 conf championship and on the verge of another versus none.  Or maybe a handful of divisional titles, number 1 ranking, and legitimate shot to play in the MNC game versus nada.  And last but not least, not being an absolute assclown in interviews and in social settings.

about 11 months late bro.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 29, 2011, 11:17:46 PM

The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him.  Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance?  And guess what!  My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record.  I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around.  Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year? 


A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.

A top-flight coach doesn't come to ku (or KSU).

Exactly.  Especially if you unjustly fire a former top-flight coach whose name is on the stadium. 

hey jackass, Snyder said he was coming back to calm the waters. totally logical to assume (based on his word) that he would've stepped down if we could've come to terms with leach. this thread wasn't talking about firing him you rough ridin' idiot. Jesus.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Deez Nutz on November 30, 2011, 08:22:44 AM



The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him.  Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance?  And guess what!  My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record.  I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around.  Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year? 


A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.

A top-flight coach doesn't come to ku (or KSU).

Exactly.  Especially if you unjustly fire a former top-flight coach whose name is on the stadium. 

hey jackass, Snyder said he was coming back to calm the waters. totally logical to assume (based on his word) that he would've stepped down if we could've come to terms with leach. this thread wasn't talking about firing him you rough ridin' idiot. Jesus.

Nice try, ass clown.  Numerous posts in this thread referred to firing Snyder including this one of yours:

can you do this again but take into account that ksu didn't have to play texas tech in 2010 and get beat by them 50 points like they did in 2008 and 2009. i would say if anything, the above supports the fire the eff out of snyder today and hire mike leach. am i wrong? i'm not very smart at math type stuff and things.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: OK_Cat on November 30, 2011, 09:44:47 AM
i'm fully on board #TeamGruden

no one else will do.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 30, 2011, 09:55:25 AM
Rick did have a point.

UCLA doesn't even have a full sized practice field, meanwhile across town USC has a really nice outdoor practice complex and is putting the finishing touches on the 120K square foot John McKay Center.    UCLA's facilities are a joke, and if they hire someone like Leach who had great facilities at TT, he's going to demand that they spend a lot of money.

Both ku and Washington State have an advantage on UCLA on that front.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 30, 2011, 09:57:14 AM



The point is that once you have hired a coach, the administration needs to get behind that coach and give him a shot to either succeed or fail before pulling the trigger and firing him.  Otherwise, why would a top-flight coach even consider coming here knowing that we didn't even give the previous coach a fair chance?  And guess what!  My expectations were nothing but a guess, and not a basis for firing a coach with a winning record.  I knew there was a chance he could actually exceed expectations just like he did in the first go-around.  Do you have any concept of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) K-State would have looked to the nation if we had actually fired Snyder at the end of last year? 


A top-flight coach doesn't give a crap about the circumstances in which the previous coach was let go.

A top-flight coach doesn't come to ku (or KSU).

Exactly.  Especially if you unjustly fire a former top-flight coach whose name is on the stadium. 

hey jackass, Snyder said he was coming back to calm the waters. totally logical to assume (based on his word) that he would've stepped down if we could've come to terms with leach. this thread wasn't talking about firing him you rough ridin' idiot. Jesus.

Nice try, ass clown.  Numerous posts in this thread referred to firing Snyder including this one of yours:

can you do this again but take into account that ksu didn't have to play texas tech in 2010 and get beat by them 50 points like they did in 2008 and 2009. i would say if anything, the above supports the fire the eff out of snyder today and hire mike leach. am i wrong? i'm not very smart at math type stuff and things.

the stuff did support it. i don't even think you know what you are arguing about anymore.  :flush:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2011, 10:56:31 AM
I wouldn't really fire him. You would approach him like this:

"So, bill. Great job with that bowl thing. Remember how you came here to 'calm the waters'? Thanks a ton for doing that. I know you really care about Kansas State University and the excellent football program that you built (I can't think you enough for that, BTDub). So, anyway, I was thinking. Remember Mike Leach? The guy that has always kicked the ever-loving-crap out of you? Well, turns out he's available and begging for every open BCS job and no one is interested. Crazy, right? So, I think for the overall long term health of YOUR program, I think we should hire him ASAP. Let's do this now, and you can have a grand retirement party at a basketball game or whatever. Cool? Alright Bill, thanks. I knew you loved KSU more than anything, even though those assholes on goEMAW thought you only cared about your ego and legacy."
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: deputy dawg on November 30, 2011, 11:41:35 AM
Quote
even though those assholes on goEMAW thought you only cared about your ego and legacy.

I agree with this portion of MichiganCat's post.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Brock Landers on November 30, 2011, 11:56:07 AM
Rick did have a point.

UCLA doesn't even have a full sized practice field, meanwhile across town USC has a really nice outdoor practice complex and is putting the finishing touches on the 120K square foot John McKay Center.    UCLA's facilities are a joke, and if they hire someone like Leach who had great facilities at TT, he's going to demand that they spend a lot of money.

Both ku and Washington State have an advantage on UCLA on that front.




How is UCLA doing financially right now?  Yeah they're second fiddle to USC but it seems like as a big name program they could start throwing money around for facility improvements if they were able to.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: pissclams on November 30, 2011, 12:28:53 PM
Rick did have a point.

UCLA doesn't even have a full sized practice field, meanwhile across town USC has a really nice outdoor practice complex and is putting the finishing touches on the 120K square foot John McKay Center.    UCLA's facilities are a joke, and if they hire someone like Leach who had great facilities at TT, he's going to demand that they spend a lot of money.

Both ku and Washington State have an advantage on UCLA on that front.




How is UCLA doing financially right now?  Yeah they're second fiddle to USC but it seems like as a big name program they could start throwing money around for facility improvements if they were able to.

they're in the middle of redoing pauley pavilion at a cost of ~$100m, that's where their priority lies.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 30, 2011, 01:21:04 PM
Rick did have a point.

UCLA doesn't even have a full sized practice field, meanwhile across town USC has a really nice outdoor practice complex and is putting the finishing touches on the 120K square foot John McKay Center.    UCLA's facilities are a joke, and if they hire someone like Leach who had great facilities at TT, he's going to demand that they spend a lot of money.

Both ku and Washington State have an advantage on UCLA on that front.




How is UCLA doing financially right now?  Yeah they're second fiddle to USC but it seems like as a big name program they could start throwing money around for facility improvements if they were able to.

Does everyone just reguritate what they hear on 810? 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2011, 01:25:26 PM
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg741/scaled.php?tn=0&server=741&filename=u6rvi.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)

 :blindfold:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: wetwillie on November 10, 2012, 09:42:24 PM
welp, that didn't take long.    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff)

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In the process, Wilson also blasted first-year coach Mike Leach and his staff, accusing them of "abuse" while saying his suspension was "an attempt by the athletic department to cover up what is really happening in that locker room."

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on November 10, 2012, 09:46:08 PM
welp, that didn't take long.    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff)

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In the process, Wilson also blasted first-year coach Mike Leach and his staff, accusing them of "abuse" while saying his suspension was "an attempt by the athletic department to cover up what is really happening in that locker room."


wetluke
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: wetwillie on November 10, 2012, 09:46:56 PM
welp, that didn't take long.    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff)

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In the process, Wilson also blasted first-year coach Mike Leach and his staff, accusing them of "abuse" while saying his suspension was "an attempt by the athletic department to cover up what is really happening in that locker room."


wetluke

oh man at least link me to my luking.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on November 10, 2012, 09:55:05 PM
welp, that didn't take long.    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff)

Quote
In the process, Wilson also blasted first-year coach Mike Leach and his staff, accusing them of "abuse" while saying his suspension was "an attempt by the athletic department to cover up what is really happening in that locker room."


wetluke

oh man at least link me to my luking.

it was right at the top of the board

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=15377.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=15377.0)
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: wetwillie on November 10, 2012, 10:00:03 PM
welp, that didn't take long.    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8618108/marquess-wilson-washington-state-cougars-leaves-team-alleges-abuse-coaching-staff)

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In the process, Wilson also blasted first-year coach Mike Leach and his staff, accusing them of "abuse" while saying his suspension was "an attempt by the athletic department to cover up what is really happening in that locker room."


wetluke

oh man at least link me to my luking.

it was right at the top of the board

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=15377.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=15377.0)

well son of a bitch, nice scoop
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ednksu on November 25, 2012, 07:20:12 PM
Another argument for Leach

He'd buy drinks at Rusty's after the Dillion's Sunflower Showdown!
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/mike-leach-reportedly-uses-25-000-apple-cup-231546407--ncaaf.html
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ELL3 on November 25, 2012, 10:08:49 PM
may be headed to nc state
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Pete on November 25, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
He really is something, isn't he.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 25, 2012, 10:25:50 PM
Has anyone here ever been to Pullman?

I've been there through Google Earth Street View.  It looks somewhat interesting, despite being so far out there it makes Manhattan, KS seem like it's right down the street from Manhattan, NY. 

Just curious.   

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Trim on November 25, 2012, 10:32:33 PM
I've been there through Google Earth Street View. 

This made me LOL for some reason.  Then I lol'd more when trying it out because didn't you take issue with google street view stuff over in the pit once, speculating what heinous deeds they could do with the data?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 25, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
I've been there through Google Earth Street View. 

This made me LOL for some reason.  Then I lol'd more when trying it out because didn't you take issue with google street view stuff over in the pit once, speculating what heinous deeds they could do with the data?

There's a reason they've been called to the carpet in multiple European countries Trim?   
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Trim on November 26, 2012, 01:06:58 AM
I've been there through Google Earth Street View. 

This made me LOL for some reason.  Then I lol'd more when trying it out because didn't you take issue with google street view stuff over in the pit once, speculating what heinous deeds they could do with the data?

There's a reason they've been called to the carpet in multiple European countries Trim?   

LOL again.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 26, 2012, 02:39:53 AM
I've been there through Google Earth Street View. 

This made me LOL for some reason.  Then I lol'd more when trying it out because didn't you take issue with google street view stuff over in the pit once, speculating what heinous deeds they could do with the data?

There's a reason they've been called to the carpet in multiple European countries Trim?   

LOL again.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Trim on November 26, 2012, 06:57:54 AM
Here, dax.  My 3 LOLs:

1) "I've been there through..."  I know what you meant, just made me laugh.
2) Me recalling that the thing you've "been there through" was the antagonist not long ago of one of your Pit posts.
3) You not recognizing the humor in either of the above and Pit'n me here.

I know nothing and don't care about the inherent evil in google street view.  #Leach4KSU
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 26, 2012, 08:25:38 AM
You're over explaining Trim.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Trim on November 26, 2012, 08:57:17 AM
You're over explaining Trim.



Just trying to reach my audience.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 26, 2012, 09:08:55 AM
You're over explaining Trim.



Just trying to reach my audience.

'kay
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Cire on November 26, 2012, 09:11:32 AM
I lol'd to myself at the I've been there through too dax.  sometimes we just have to laugh at ourselves
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 26, 2012, 09:19:42 AM
I lol'd to myself at the I've been there through too dax.  sometimes we just have to laugh at ourselves

It's kind of a new age thing . . . you know, maybe we'll have that teleportation thing from Star Trek or whatever the hell it was called some day. 

But it seemed like it didn't work out so well in The Fly . . . so maybe not.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Cire on November 26, 2012, 09:21:13 AM
We should offer mike leach 4 million dollars today to come here.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ednksu on November 26, 2012, 09:39:30 AM
We should offer mike leach 4 million dollars today to come here.
under armor yo! Not a risk I'm willing to take.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: star seed 7 on May 28, 2013, 04:18:21 PM
Just saw the pirate at Southwest ticketing at SFO, he saw my emaw hat as he walked by and gave me a head nod.    :ksu:
Title: Re: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2013, 04:23:47 PM
Just saw the pirate at Southwest ticketing at SFO, he saw my emaw hat as he walked by and gave me a head nod.    :ksu:

He wants us as bad as we want him.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: yoman on May 28, 2013, 04:44:19 PM
I could accept 5 years of #bruceketball if we had the pirate running football.  :garr:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Frankenklein on May 28, 2013, 05:46:40 PM
Just saw the pirate at Southwest ticketing at SFO, he saw my emaw hat as he walked by and gave me a head nod.    :ksu:
  Was he swingin his sword or did he just have his hand on it ready to draw? Did you yell RRRRRRRR at him?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on May 28, 2013, 06:30:16 PM
I just read this thread for the first time...... :facepalm:


 what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.    :opcat:   



It was after a 7-6 Season and Coffman was graduating.   Klein was just getting started at QB and had several good games (Texas  :lol:)  people should have been a little more excited. Probably not 10 win excited but excited nonetheless.

Oh well......

goEMAW getting a little better every day.      :billdance:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: star seed 7 on November 13, 2013, 08:33:21 PM
http://deadspin.com/mike-leach-once-called-the-big-12-commish-in-the-middle-1463833247
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 14, 2013, 01:16:24 AM
Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Pete on November 14, 2013, 07:11:26 AM

Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?

Leach, Patterson, Currie search in that order.

Leach has won at the level I desire us to win at, at a similar school, in our conference...hard to argue that he wouldn't repeat that at KSU.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: scottwildcat on November 14, 2013, 08:07:42 AM
Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?

Not Patterson. I think ole Garry has shown his true lack of big timeyness since coming to the B12 and lack luster TCU teams
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: KITNfury on November 14, 2013, 08:27:49 AM
Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?
Man, that's a lot like "Let's Make a Deal"....it's always so tempting to see what's behind the curtain!
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: TownieCat on November 14, 2013, 08:30:45 AM

Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?

Leach, Patterson, Currie search in that order.

Leach has won at the level I desire us to win at, at a similar school, in our conference...hard to argue that he wouldn't repeat that at KSU.

It would take Leach 2-3 years minimum to get the type of personnel on our roster to play his style. Leach had one great year at TT. Other than that you could pretty much write him down for 8-4 every year. Do you really desire BWW and Texas Bowls? That's what you'd get with Leach and his coaching ceiling.

Patterson's record in close games the past two years really worries me. Games decided by 7 or less usually come down to coaching. That said, I'm not sure ADJC could hit a home run.

Patterson, Currie search, Leach.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2013, 08:32:49 AM
Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?

Man great question
Currie (if it yielded the ball state coach, I want him badly), Leach, Sean, anal fissures, Gary
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2013, 08:36:32 AM
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/43438e304aac9b0f25d67ea48fd5eed9/tumblr_mip4v43sOX1rkz645o1_250.gif)
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2013, 08:38:57 AM
Would you rather have Mike Leach, Gary Patterson or let Currie go through his hiring process?

Man great question
Currie (if it yielded the ball state coach, I want him badly), Leach, Sean, anal fissures, Gary

Well not much about that is very rational.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2013, 08:41:15 AM
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/43438e304aac9b0f25d67ea48fd5eed9/tumblr_mip4v43sOX1rkz645o1_250.gif)

I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2013, 09:06:17 AM
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/43438e304aac9b0f25d67ea48fd5eed9/tumblr_mip4v43sOX1rkz645o1_250.gif)

I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.

If we hired anyone else with his BCS credentials we would rightfully #BID, not to mention the constant tumult his program seems to have.

Also re: your previous post, do you know anything about the ball state coach? Seems not
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: wetwillie on November 14, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
the ball state guy has won a lot of games at several programs.  I just don't know if he is good looking enough for us.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 14, 2013, 09:23:51 AM
So I was one of 8 people listening to The Game on KMAN yesterday, and they told a story about Leach calling Dan Beebe in the middle of a game to b_tch about the officials.  He got a 10k fine. 


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Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Tobias on November 14, 2013, 09:26:01 AM
So I was one of 8 people listening to The Game on KMAN yesterday, and they told a story about Leach calling Dan Beebe in the middle of a game to b_tch about the officials.  He got a 10k fine. 


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it's on this page, dax! :D
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 14, 2013, 09:28:45 AM
Missed it. 


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Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 14, 2013, 09:33:27 AM
Missed it. 


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Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2013, 09:56:11 AM
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/43438e304aac9b0f25d67ea48fd5eed9/tumblr_mip4v43sOX1rkz645o1_250.gif)

I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.

If we hired anyone else with his BCS credentials we would rightfully #BID, not to mention the constant tumult his program seems to have.

Also re: your previous post, do you know anything about the ball state coach? Seems not

I don't think we'd be in the market for someone with his "BCS credentials", to be honest. A rational program wouldn't let him go to us. Based on what he's done over his career I would have no problem hiring Gary if he had left TCU and replicated his record over the last two years at a place like Mississippi State or Maryland.

Regarding the Ball State guy, I know the highest level he's coached at (as a HC or assistant) is Ball State.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2013, 10:28:32 AM
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/43438e304aac9b0f25d67ea48fd5eed9/tumblr_mip4v43sOX1rkz645o1_250.gif)

I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.

If we hired anyone else with his BCS credentials we would rightfully #BID, not to mention the constant tumult his program seems to have.

Also re: your previous post, do you know anything about the ball state coach? Seems not

I don't think we'd be in the market for someone with his "BCS credentials", to be honest. A rational program wouldn't let him go to us. Based on what he's done over his career I would have no problem hiring Gary if he had left TCU and replicated his record over the last two years at a place like Mississippi State or Maryland.

Regarding the Ball State guy, I know the highest level he's coached at (as a HC or assistant) is Ball State.

So you'd take a guy with a mediocre resume at the highest level over a guy who hasn't coached at the highest level but has won everywhere he's been? Pretty inconsistent stance given your view on basketball coaches, no?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: KITNfury on November 14, 2013, 10:40:15 AM
I would like a cliffs notes version of ball state guy without having to google it.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2013, 10:48:28 AM
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/43438e304aac9b0f25d67ea48fd5eed9/tumblr_mip4v43sOX1rkz645o1_250.gif)

I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.

If we hired anyone else with his BCS credentials we would rightfully #BID, not to mention the constant tumult his program seems to have.

Also re: your previous post, do you know anything about the ball state coach? Seems not

I don't think we'd be in the market for someone with his "BCS credentials", to be honest. A rational program wouldn't let him go to us. Based on what he's done over his career I would have no problem hiring Gary if he had left TCU and replicated his record over the last two years at a place like Mississippi State or Maryland.

Regarding the Ball State guy, I know the highest level he's coached at (as a HC or assistant) is Ball State.

So you'd take a guy with a mediocre resume at the highest level over a guy who hasn't coached at the highest level but has won everywhere he's been? Pretty inconsistent stance given your view on basketball coaches, no?

I'm sorry, has Patterson been fired? Is he even remotely on the hot seat?

Patterson hasn't been at the "highest level" long enough to be proven to be mediocre, not by a long shot.

And I'd easily take his resume at a non-BCS school over the Ball State guy, in addition to where he has built recruiting relationships over the years.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ChiComCat on November 14, 2013, 10:50:49 AM
BCS win alone makes Gary's resume not mediocre.  I'm less sold on him now than I was 5 years ago, but I don't think a mediocre year and a poor year mean he is a terrible coach.  It is troubling to see though as its his first opportunity in a BCS conference.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MadCat on November 14, 2013, 04:59:29 PM
I would like a cliffs notes version of ball state guy without having to google it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Lembo

EDIT: OMG, Daryl Dixon is his Outside Linebackers/Nickel Backs coach!
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: DQ12 on November 14, 2013, 05:03:39 PM
ball state guy seems to me like a tim beckman-y.

i belong to the ilk that thinks unless we hire a proven stud (let's set the bar at a James Franklin type, for example), i'd prefer some one who has coached under Snyder.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Gooch on November 14, 2013, 05:09:42 PM
 Nick Saban :don'tcare:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 14, 2013, 05:18:27 PM
BCS win alone makes Gary's resume not mediocre.  I'm less sold on him now than I was 5 years ago, but I don't think a mediocre year and a poor year mean he is a terrible coach.  It is troubling to see though as its his first opportunity in a BCS conference.
Mangino says hi! :D
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: wetwillie on November 14, 2013, 05:36:07 PM
ball state guy seems to me like a tim beckman-y.

i belong to the ilk that thinks unless we hire a proven stud (let's set the bar at a James Franklin type, for example), i'd prefer some one who has coached under Snyder.

Snyders tree has already blossomed though. Who would you want from his tree that hasn't already failed or has a better gig now?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 14, 2013, 05:53:15 PM
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/43438e304aac9b0f25d67ea48fd5eed9/tumblr_mip4v43sOX1rkz645o1_250.gif)

:D
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ChiComCat on November 14, 2013, 05:57:56 PM
BCS win alone makes Gary's resume not mediocre.  I'm less sold on him now than I was 5 years ago, but I don't think a mediocre year and a poor year mean he is a terrible coach.  It is troubling to see though as its his first opportunity in a BCS conference.
Mangino says hi! :D

I don't think Mangino's tenure was mediocre either
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Cire on November 14, 2013, 06:06:33 PM
I don't think Leach is realistic.

I don't think Patterson is realistic.

what do we think about Wolford/Mangino combo sandwich?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: scottwildcat on November 14, 2013, 06:37:05 PM
I don't think Leach is realistic.

I don't think Patterson is realistic.

what do we think about Wolford/Mangino combo sandwich?

There is already a thread on that topic.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Cire on November 14, 2013, 07:02:37 PM
must have missed it on account of my job.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: kim carnes on November 14, 2013, 07:07:40 PM
ball state guy seems to me like a tim beckman-y.

i belong to the ilk that thinks unless we hire a proven stud (let's set the bar at a James Franklin type, for example), i'd prefer some one who has coached under Snyder.

Snyders tree has already blossomed though. Who would you want from his tree that hasn't already failed or has a better gig now?

sean
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2013, 08:13:11 PM
ball state guy seems to me like a tim beckman-y.

What? What? What? Beckman coached 21 games before Illinois hired him and was only 5 games over .500 Lembo has coached over 150 games. The only thing they have in common is that they are white men who coached football in the MAC.

I wish you guys would just be honest and say "I don't like him because I never heard of him before 24 hours ago." The guy has already coached and won a ton of games. He's won for extended time at three places, none of them traditional powers on their respective levels.

BCS win alone makes Gary's resume not mediocre.  I'm less sold on him now than I was 5 years ago, but I don't think a mediocre year and a poor year mean he is a terrible coach.  It is troubling to see though as its his first opportunity in a BCS conference.
Mangino says hi! :D

I don't think Mangino's tenure was mediocre either

Awful career record, current 7 game losing streak, I mean woof. There have been so many coaches fired with similar profiles. Not to mention the weight and being a massive bad person that no one likes or respects.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2013, 08:21:38 PM
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/43438e304aac9b0f25d67ea48fd5eed9/tumblr_mip4v43sOX1rkz645o1_250.gif)

I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.

If we hired anyone else with his BCS credentials we would rightfully #BID, not to mention the constant tumult his program seems to have.

Also re: your previous post, do you know anything about the ball state coach? Seems not

I don't think we'd be in the market for someone with his "BCS credentials", to be honest. A rational program wouldn't let him go to us. Based on what he's done over his career I would have no problem hiring Gary if he had left TCU and replicated his record over the last two years at a place like Mississippi State or Maryland.

Regarding the Ball State guy, I know the highest level he's coached at (as a HC or assistant) is Ball State.

So you'd take a guy with a mediocre resume at the highest level over a guy who hasn't coached at the highest level but has won everywhere he's been? Pretty inconsistent stance given your view on basketball coaches, no?

I'm sorry, has Patterson been fired? Is he even remotely on the hot seat?

Patterson hasn't been at the "highest level" long enough to be proven to be mediocre, not by a long shot.

And I'd easily take his resume at a non-BCS school over the Ball State guy, in addition to where he has built recruiting relationships over the years.

He hasn't been fired, as a defense, is that a joke? So you would have been good with Weber replacing Frank after 2010-11? You have eyes, you can see how Patterson's program is trending. They aren't even going to a bowl this year. I'm willing to bet you he won't make it 9 years as a BCS level coach like oscar did.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2013, 10:58:30 PM
Oh yeah, one more thing. My message to the entire blog re. Gary Patterson

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/43438e304aac9b0f25d67ea48fd5eed9/tumblr_mip4v43sOX1rkz645o1_250.gif)

I don't think he's done poorly by any stretch of the imagination. Last year was great for him, all things considered.

If we hired anyone else with his BCS credentials we would rightfully #BID, not to mention the constant tumult his program seems to have.

Also re: your previous post, do you know anything about the ball state coach? Seems not

I don't think we'd be in the market for someone with his "BCS credentials", to be honest. A rational program wouldn't let him go to us. Based on what he's done over his career I would have no problem hiring Gary if he had left TCU and replicated his record over the last two years at a place like Mississippi State or Maryland.

Regarding the Ball State guy, I know the highest level he's coached at (as a HC or assistant) is Ball State.

So you'd take a guy with a mediocre resume at the highest level over a guy who hasn't coached at the highest level but has won everywhere he's been? Pretty inconsistent stance given your view on basketball coaches, no?

I'm sorry, has Patterson been fired? Is he even remotely on the hot seat?

Patterson hasn't been at the "highest level" long enough to be proven to be mediocre, not by a long shot.

And I'd easily take his resume at a non-BCS school over the Ball State guy, in addition to where he has built recruiting relationships over the years.

He hasn't been fired, as a defense, is that a joke? So you would have been good with Weber replacing Frank after 2010-11? You have eyes, you can see how Patterson's program is trending. They aren't even going to a bowl this year. I'm willing to bet you he won't make it 9 years as a BCS level coach like oscar did.

Weber after eight (or 9) years is not even close to the same thing as Patterson after two. Hell, Weber is a great example of why you don't often see the full picture after two years.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Reboulet on May 22, 2014, 01:05:57 PM
Highlights from Mike Leach's Q&A on Reddit:

Q: I know you are big history buff, if you had to fill your coaching staff with historical figures who would you choose? For the sake of discussion you can't pick a sports figure.

A: Head Coach: George Washington Offensive Coordinator: Geronimo Offensive Assistant: Tarzan Defensive Coordinator: Winston Churchill Defensive Assistant: Daniel Boone


Q: The team is down by 15 with four minutes left when it punches in the ball on the outside zone read that hasn't worked all day but finally beats the WILL who's starting to dog it late in the game. Geronimo is the head coach. Does he go for 2 now, or kick the PAT and wait for the second opportunity?

A: Geronimo's speed and tenacity in adverse conditions is going to allow him and his band of Chiricahua Apaches to score swiftly with that much time left. Illustrated in my book, "Geronimo: Leadership Strategies of an American Warrior," they prepared for situations like this and were raised to respond to them starting as children. They would never flinch in a situation like this. Going for 1 or 2 would be based on their evaluation of the opponent, the terrain, and the resources they had to work with.


Q: If they made a movie about your life, who would play you (other than yourself)?

A: Maybe John Cusack. I think we have some similar looks and mannerisms.


Q: Coach, there has always been a lot of talk about how hard it is to recruit to the Palouse, but you and your staff have been killing it so far this spring. What do you sell these young men on to come to Pullman?

A: It is very simple: we are a true college town in a true college setting. This is something that we nearly have a monopoly on in the Pac 12.
We have just built the best Football Operations Building in the Pac 12 and we have quick, direct flights to many of the locations we recruit to. We are in a gorgeous setting with no freeways, in a place where a student-athlete can focus on his degree and football. This is led by our President, Elson S. Floyd who is celebrating his 7th anniversary as our College President, and our Athletic Director, Bill Moos who played here. Both of which talk to our recruits when they visit campus.



http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/265mel/i_am_head_football_coach_and_nyt_best_selling/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/265mel/i_am_head_football_coach_and_nyt_best_selling/)
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on May 22, 2014, 01:57:22 PM
Q: Coach, there has always been a lot of talk about how hard it is to recruit to the Palouse, but you and your staff have been killing it so far this spring. What do you sell these young men on to come to Pullman?

A: It is very simple: we are a true college town in a true college setting. This is something that we nearly have a monopoly on in the Pac 12.
We have just built the best Football Operations Building in the Pac 12 and we have quick, direct flights to many of the locations we recruit to. We are in a gorgeous setting with no freeways, in a place where a student-athlete can focus on his degree and football. This is led by our President, Elson S. Floyd who is celebrating his 7th anniversary as our College President, and our Athletic Director, Bill Moos who played here. Both of which talk to our recruits when they visit campus.



http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/265mel/i_am_head_football_coach_and_nyt_best_selling/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/265mel/i_am_head_football_coach_and_nyt_best_selling/)

This is so hard for so many people to grasp.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Katpappy on May 22, 2014, 02:16:19 PM
Q: Coach, there has always been a lot of talk about how hard it is to recruit to the Palouse, but you and your staff have been killing it so far this spring. What do you sell these young men on to come to Pullman?

A: It is very simple: we are a true college town in a true college setting. This is something that we nearly have a monopoly on in the Pac 12.
We have just built the best Football Operations Building in the Pac 12 and we have quick, direct flights to many of the locations we recruit to. We are in a gorgeous setting with no freeways, in a place where a student-athlete can focus on his degree and football. This is led by our President, Elson S. Floyd who is celebrating his 7th anniversary as our College President, and our Athletic Director, Bill Moos who played here. Both of which talk to our recruits when they visit campus.



http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/265mel/i_am_head_football_coach_and_nyt_best_selling/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/265mel/i_am_head_football_coach_and_nyt_best_selling/)

This is so hard for so many people to grasp.
It's not that hard.  If it was, we wouldn't be spenting 135mil.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 27, 2018, 10:02:44 PM
Let’s go get him guys  :cool:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: pissclams on November 27, 2018, 10:12:24 PM
i had no idea that elson floyd was an administrator there
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Pete on November 27, 2018, 10:29:43 PM
Let’s go get him guys  :cool:

Totally agree.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: wetwillie on November 27, 2018, 10:33:58 PM
Vanier could easily be turned into a purple pirate ship
Title: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: 8manpick on August 16, 2019, 09:26:06 AM
Everyone should read the new Leach article on The Athletic if you have a subscription

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https://theathletic.com/1138379/2019/08/15/what-the-is-going-on-right-now-inside-mike-leachs-qb-meetings/
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: RubberBandCat on August 21, 2019, 10:00:03 AM
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ChiComCat on August 21, 2019, 10:25:28 AM
The Washington State Hard Knocks show that HBO is doing will be incredible.  I like how they essentially picked Mike Leach over Alabama and Penn State.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: SleepFighter on August 22, 2019, 10:38:51 AM
Who doesn't hate rough ridin' squirrels?  :curse:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Kat Kid on August 22, 2019, 03:15:00 PM
Everyone should read the new Leach article on The Athletic if you have a subscription

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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190816/d88a28b91db423ad89287746c3ceb76f.jpg)

https://theathletic.com/1138379/2019/08/15/what-the-is-going-on-right-now-inside-mike-leachs-qb-meetings/

That is so enjoyable.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 23, 2019, 01:44:50 AM
How good would we be right now and how fun would things be and how sold out would the stadium be if we would’ve hired him back then?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: catbacker 73 on August 24, 2019, 03:37:23 AM
Mikey could not take HOFCBS's players and make them a winning team.

Mikey needs a completely different skill set and ou, Tex-AZZ, Okie-St, and most of the BIG 12 has already got most of those boys locked up.

HCCK knows what KSU requires, following in HOFHCBS's footsteps. Only AZZ-Hats would try what the other BIG12 teams are trying to do.
HUNH will not work at KSU. HOFHCBS proved that for nearly 3 Decades.

HUNH only worked at UK for one season when UK didn't have to play 3/4 of best of BIG 12.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Katpappy on August 24, 2019, 02:16:00 PM
Mikey could not take HOFCBS's players and make them a winning team.

Mikey needs a completely different skill set and ou, Tex-AZZ, Okie-St, and most of the BIG 12 has already got most of those boys locked up.

HCCK knows what KSU requires, following in HOFHCBS's footsteps. Only AZZ-Hats would try what the other BIG12 teams are trying to do.
HUNH will not work at KSU. HOFHCBS proved that for nearly 3 Decades.

HUNH only worked at UK for one season when UK didn't have to play 3/4 of best of BIG 12.

Just one ?; WITF is UK?  :dunno:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: _33 on September 17, 2019, 02:05:34 PM
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on September 17, 2019, 04:56:37 PM

that's great
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: pissclams on September 17, 2019, 06:14:17 PM
this crap was funny when it was zany that a college coach would say/do the things that leach says

now it’s not because he’s just morphed into a media/attention grabbing character that says stupid crap in an effort to get the pac 12 media pool laughing
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Pete on September 17, 2019, 06:15:06 PM
DO THE JAYHAWK, MIKE!
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on September 17, 2019, 06:39:46 PM
this crap was funny when it was zany that a college coach would say/do the things that leach says

now it’s not because he’s just morphed into a media/attention grabbing character that says stupid crap in an effort to get the pac 12 media pool laughing

what I thought was funniest is that I didn't hear any laughter. may have been edited out but I loved the idea of self-important sportswriter idiots tapping their toes and looking at their watches as Leach spends all his allotted media availability time wondering if a Ute has traded for a rifle instead of giving them a deeper analysis of the defensive line depth chart.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ben ji on September 17, 2019, 07:15:22 PM
this crap was funny when it was zany that a college coach would say/do the things that leach says

now it’s not because he’s just morphed into a media/attention grabbing character that says stupid crap in an effort to get the pac 12 media pool laughing

what I thought was funniest is that I didn't hear any laughter. may have been edited out but I loved the idea of self-important sportswriter idiots tapping their toes and looking at their watches as Leach spends all his allotted media availability time wondering if a Ute has traded for a rifle instead of giving them a deeper analysis of the defensive line depth chart.

This right here.

Just read the Athletic article on his QB meetings and I would love to sit next to Leach at a bar for 5 hours and go back and forth with him on random topics and just let him talk.

Anyway to set this up as an auction item at FattyFest?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Trim on September 17, 2019, 07:38:48 PM
this crap was funny when it was zany that a college coach would say/do the things that leach says

now it’s not because he’s just morphed into a media/attention grabbing character that says stupid crap in an effort to get the pac 12 media pool laughing

what I thought was funniest is that I didn't hear any laughter. may have been edited out but I loved the idea of self-important sportswriter idiots tapping their toes and looking at their watches as Leach spends all his allotted media availability time wondering if a Ute has traded for a rifle instead of giving them a deeper analysis of the defensive line depth chart.

It's what OBz did but with boring ass kansas mentors stories.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: _33 on September 17, 2019, 07:47:48 PM
this crap was funny when it was zany that a college coach would say/do the things that leach says

now it’s not because he’s just morphed into a media/attention grabbing character that says stupid crap in an effort to get the pac 12 media pool laughing

Yeah but pissclams shut up.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Pete on September 18, 2019, 05:52:38 PM
this crap was funny when it was zany that a college coach would say/do the things that leach says

now it’s not because he’s just morphed into a media/attention grabbing character that says stupid crap in an effort to get the pac 12 media pool laughing

what I thought was funniest is that I didn't hear any laughter. may have been edited out but I loved the idea of self-important sportswriter idiots tapping their toes and looking at their watches as Leach spends all his allotted media availability time wondering if a Ute has traded for a rifle instead of giving them a deeper analysis of the defensive line depth chart.

This right here.

Just read the Athletic article on his QB meetings and I would love to sit next to Leach at a bar for 5 hours and go back and forth with him on random topics and just let him talk.

Anyway to set this up as an auction item at FattyFest?

Just watch a game with clams.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: zackole1 on September 22, 2019, 01:32:01 AM
Leach blows a 32 point lead in second half to UCLA.  They call that "couging it" out here.  And i am a big Cougar fan.... not so much a Leach fan... no defense..
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: EMAWzifried on September 22, 2019, 11:43:30 AM
Leach blows a 32 point lead in second half to UCLA.  They call that "couging it" out here.  And i am a big Cougar fan.... not so much a Leach fan... no defense..
Yikes, giving up 67 points to moribund UCLA program ought to put a stake in this tread.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: catbacker 73 on September 23, 2019, 03:53:57 AM
Quote
EMAWzifried
Quote from: zackole1 on September 22, 2019, 01:32:01 AM

    Leach blows a 32 point lead in second half to UCLA.  They call that "couging it" out here.  And i am a big Cougar fan.... not so much a Leach fan... no defense..

Leach will always be a 2nd/3rd tier coach. He is completely incapable of understanding the value/concept of Defense.

Hell of a BasquetteBalle Coach though.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: chum1 on September 23, 2019, 12:14:34 PM
From Friday. Pretty brutal.

Quote
Leach does not really have interesting or informed opinions on many things, but he does benefit from expectations so low that him blinking a lot before talking about the many raccoons that I have seen before, both in my youth and then also more recently really does qualify as classic folksy storytelling.
...
Why would Mike Leach or anyone else answer a question about paying athletes with a monologue like this? For the same boring and immediately obvious reason that homelessness, and especially homelessness in California, has recently become a fixation for Donald Trump, which is that he saw it on TV.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: pissclams on September 23, 2019, 02:49:49 PM
yup
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: nicname on September 23, 2019, 03:07:27 PM
 That David Roth guy sounds like a pussy.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: chum1 on September 23, 2019, 03:16:54 PM
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Pete on September 23, 2019, 06:04:16 PM
 :ksu:
That David Roth guy sounds like a pussy.

Hard to argue against that conclusion
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on September 23, 2019, 06:29:12 PM
I was going to post that sound bite about California after I heard it listening to Bomani Jones' podcast yesterday. He's beena piece of crap for years. His rant didn't present a single counterpoint against letting athletes profit off of their likeness. Just old tired trumper tropes about California. What's he going to say when North Carolina passes a similar bill?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: steve dave on January 09, 2020, 12:21:51 PM


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Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: meow meow on January 09, 2020, 12:30:43 PM
no way.


Lane vs the Pirate in the Egg Bowl every year.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: catastrophe on January 09, 2020, 02:08:04 PM
Well for like 1-2 years anyway
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: wetwillie on January 09, 2020, 02:53:12 PM
Nick Saban will retire and Bama will go through another lost decade. He will be fine.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on January 09, 2020, 04:03:51 PM
Well for like 1-2 years anyway

truf
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: PurpleOil on January 09, 2020, 04:26:33 PM
Wow, I did not see that coming.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: joda on January 09, 2020, 05:25:51 PM
 He’s crazy enough that I could legit see his reason for taking the job is he’s trying to coach at schools with as many different shades of red* as possible


*maroon can be considered a shade of red, right?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 09, 2020, 10:35:53 PM
feel bad for Wash st.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 09, 2020, 11:18:37 PM
That was my first thought, too. Honestly, it kind of seems almost like a lateral move for someone of his ilk. And while I can’t wait for the Lane v. Leach Egg Bowls and surrounding twitters, I think first and foremost I’d rather have Leach coaching the Kazzu li’l bro of the PNW rather than the Kazzu lil bro of Hickville Raciststate. Plus you KNOW Wazzu appreciates him more. I weep for Fatdamon, me, and every other #PXIIAD fan. It just got a lot less interesting.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 10, 2020, 12:06:54 AM
His average record is 8-5, has never won a conference title, and has a system that’s out dated him.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2020, 12:52:08 AM
That was my first thought, too. Honestly, it kind of seems almost like a lateral move for someone of his ilk. And while I can’t wait for the Lane v. Leach Egg Bowls and surrounding twitters, I think first and foremost I’d rather have Leach coaching the Kazzu li’l bro of the PNW rather than the Kazzu lil bro of Hickville Raciststate. Plus you KNOW Wazzu appreciates him more. I weep for Fatdamon, me, and every other #PXIIAD fan. It just got a lot less interesting.

It was a lazy and uninspired hire. Why would an sec school hire a coach barely treading water in the Pac 12? This would be like hiring Matt Campbell if he did the same crap for two decades. What does an 8-5 Pac 12 ceiling equal in the sec? Also they're going to hate that offense.

If you're hiring a coach of that ilk why wouldn't you go get Neil Brown?
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: star seed 7 on January 10, 2020, 07:41:47 AM
Leach will be much happier culturally in racistville than the backwoods of cool kids
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: star seed 7 on January 10, 2020, 08:01:00 AM
I bet right this moment leach is unpacking his Confederate flag collection and murmuring about how much money the communists stole from him in Washington
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ChiComCat on January 10, 2020, 08:04:06 AM
He's been better than 8-5 three of the past five years.  I wouldn't call that his ceiling.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 10, 2020, 08:27:58 AM
It really is amazing what are fan base views as sexy. 8-5 lifetime coach named pirate.... #Gottlieb4KSU... :excited: 8-5 life time coach  oscar Weber who's won us a few Big 12 Championships and has a goofy voice:


(https://radioh.com.ar/images/noticias/0c87c0646f964c1634.jpg)
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: WildcatNkilt on January 10, 2020, 08:34:01 AM
This was definitely a move up for him.  Plus, it gets him away from Kirk. 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: meow meow on January 10, 2020, 08:36:57 AM
sports are entertainment, leach is entertaining, frank is entertaining, oscar is not.  also leach has been pretty steady.  oscar is about to follow up a big 12 champ season without even making the NIT.  also, oscar doesn't take any blame for anything.  hope that helps wacky.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ben ji on January 10, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
That was my first thought, too. Honestly, it kind of seems almost like a lateral move for someone of his ilk. And while I can’t wait for the Lane v. Leach Egg Bowls and surrounding twitters, I think first and foremost I’d rather have Leach coaching the Kazzu li’l bro of the PNW rather than the Kazzu lil bro of Hickville Raciststate. Plus you KNOW Wazzu appreciates him more. I weep for Fatdamon, me, and every other #PXIIAD fan. It just got a lot less interesting.

It was a lazy and uninspired hire. Why would an sec school hire a coach barely treading water in the Pac 12? This would be like hiring Matt Campbell if he did the same crap for two decades. What does an 8-5 Pac 12 ceiling equal in the sec? Also they're going to hate that offense.

If you're hiring a coach of that ilk why wouldn't you go get Neil Brown?

Leach had Washington State 1 game away from making the CFP in 2018, if they beat Washington in the Apple Cup that year they were in.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ChiComCat on January 10, 2020, 09:15:12 AM
Leach has won at crap programs Tech and Wazzou.  Taking out his first 3 seasons turning around each program, he has 8 or 9 wins in nine of twelve seasons.  Also, two seasons of 11 wins and one season of 6 wins (most recently). 

No idea if Leach will succeed in the SEC, probably not as few would in that division, but he is a good coach.

Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ben ji on January 10, 2020, 09:20:13 AM
It really is amazing what are fan base views as sexy. 8-5 lifetime coach named pirate.... #Gottlieb4KSU... :excited: 8-5 life time coach  oscar Weber who's won us a few Big 12 Championships and has a goofy voice:


(https://radioh.com.ar/images/noticias/0c87c0646f964c1634.jpg)

I think Wacky has a good point about Mike Leach being similar to oscar Weber when you look at their records. Both have a high floor (making bowl games/NCAA Tournament almost every year) and tend to make a run once every 5 years when the stars align.

Leach is much more entertaining than Bruceketball though, so he's got that going for him I guess.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: meow meow on January 10, 2020, 09:26:40 AM
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor.  he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-State
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: deputy dawg on January 10, 2020, 09:27:45 AM
Leach's offense will be baffling to the offensively conservative SEC.  I initially thought he was heading to a program that couldn't get traction in a conference with Alabama and LSU, but then remembered that Mississippi State was ranked #1 a few years ago.  My biggest concern is for Leach, and the lack of patience that Mississippi State has for their football coaches.  This is like their 3rd head coach hire in the past 5 years.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ChiComCat on January 10, 2020, 09:44:18 AM
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor.  he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-State

Exactly.  A Leach basketball equivalent would be in the tournament every year.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ben ji on January 10, 2020, 09:51:34 AM
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor.  he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-State

Exactly.  A Leach basketball equivalent would be in the tournament every year.

Its easier to make a bowl game than make the NCAA tournament. Lets say that a 7-5 regular season record is equivalent to what it would take to make the NCAA tournament. 

If that is the case Leach would of "Missed" the tourney 4 of his 8 years at Wazzu
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: ChiComCat on January 10, 2020, 09:58:50 AM
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor.  he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-State

Exactly.  A Leach basketball equivalent would be in the tournament every year.

Its easier to make a bowl game than make the NCAA tournament. Lets say that a 7-5 regular season record is equivalent to what it would take to make the NCAA tournament. 

If that is the case Leach would of "Missed" the tourney 4 of his 8 years at Wazzu

Fine, but I don't fault him for building the crap program he took over those first three years.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2020, 11:17:18 AM
Leach's offense will be baffling to the offensively conservative SEC.  I initially thought he was heading to a program that couldn't get traction in a conference with Alabama and LSU, but then remembered that Mississippi State was ranked #1 a few years ago.  My biggest concern is for Leach, and the lack of patience that Mississippi State has for their football coaches.  This is like their 3rd head coach hire in the past 5 years.

To the first point, I think that offense will not be successful in the SEC before, it's not like it hasn't been tried before, it's not like he hasn't tried it before. SEC defenses are generally good because they have the best defensive talent. It's completely different than getting fat off of a mediocre Big 12, which that era was, and a historically awful Pac 12.

As to the second point, Mississippi State talent and how "close" they've been, I'll respond the same as I would those who are talking about how "close" Leach was at Washington State, once. It doesn't mean anything, anything at all. I'm being serious when I say this but in the BCS/CFP era, the only programs I can think of that weren't close in at least one season are Kentucky and Vandy. Think of all of the other worst programs of this era; KU, Rutgers, Illinois, Colorado, Wake, Georgia Tech, whomever they all had a close year. That's a crutch to dumb down accomplishments, neither Mississippi State nor Leach has shown any ability to sustain the type of success that would allow that hire to make sense.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 10, 2020, 11:31:05 AM
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor.  he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-State
lol. Or one out of the last 4, but spin it how ever you want to. In the last 4 seasons he has an elite 8 run, a big 12 ship, and the GOAT recruiting class coming in. Sorry he has to replace 3 of the top 15 all time scorers at K-State this year. Winning is entertaining. oscar Weber has entertained me very much.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: star seed 7 on January 10, 2020, 11:33:41 AM
Iowa state still waiting for their close season  :crossfingers:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: meow meow on January 10, 2020, 12:00:24 PM
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor.  he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-State
lol. Or one out of the last 4, but spin it how ever you want to. In the last 4 seasons he has an elite 8 run, a big 12 ship, and the GOAT recruiting class coming in. Sorry he has to replace 3 of the top 15 all time scorers at K-State this year. Winning is entertaining. oscar Weber has entertained me very much.

relax bud, it's friday.

no doubt some fun times, is odd he follows up championship seasons with complete flops. 
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2020, 12:01:14 PM
Iowa state still waiting for their close season  :crossfingers:

Oh man, lol. How in the hell did I forget them.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 10, 2020, 01:09:40 PM
ummm, i don't think oscar has that high of a floor.  he missed the tourney 3 of the last 5 years at Ill, and about to be 3 of the last 6 at K-State
lol. Or one out of the last 4, but spin it how ever you want to. In the last 4 seasons he has an elite 8 run, a big 12 ship, and the GOAT recruiting class coming in. Sorry he has to replace 3 of the top 15 all time scorers at K-State this year. Winning is entertaining. oscar Weber has entertained me very much.

relax bud, it's friday.

no doubt some fun times, is odd he follows up championship seasons with complete flops.
:cheers:
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2020, 03:32:17 PM
Leach will be much happier culturally in racistville than the backwoods of cool kids
Dude's a Trumper. And IMO Eastern Washington is more racist than Mississippi. Like Western Idaho is Nazi militia headquarters.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: 8manpick on January 11, 2020, 11:56:50 AM
Leach will be much happier culturally in racistville than the backwoods of cool kids
Dude's a Trumper. And IMO Eastern Washington is more racist than Mississippi. Like Western Idaho is Nazi militia headquarters.
Yes, but Eastern Washington is in Cool Kids and Mississippi State is in Racistville
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 13, 2020, 10:03:32 AM
Leach's offense will be baffling to the offensively conservative SEC.  I initially thought he was heading to a program that couldn't get traction in a conference with Alabama and LSU, but then remembered that Mississippi State was ranked #1 a few years ago.  My biggest concern is for Leach, and the lack of patience that Mississippi State has for their football coaches.  This is like their 3rd head coach hire in the past 5 years.

To the first point, I think that offense will not be successful in the SEC before, it's not like it hasn't been tried before, it's not like he hasn't tried it before. SEC defenses are generally good because they have the best defensive talent. It's completely different than getting fat off of a mediocre Big 12, which that era was, and a historically awful Pac 12.

As to the second point, Mississippi State talent and how "close" they've been, I'll respond the same as I would those who are talking about how "close" Leach was at Washington State, once. It doesn't mean anything, anything at all. I'm being serious when I say this but in the BCS/CFP era, the only programs I can think of that weren't close in at least one season are Kentucky and Vandy. Think of all of the other worst programs of this era; KU, Rutgers, Illinois, Colorado, Wake, Georgia Tech, whomever they all had a close year. That's a crutch to dumb down accomplishments, neither Mississippi State nor Leach has shown any ability to sustain the type of success that would allow that hire to make sense.

I guess it just sort of depends on how liberal you want to be with what "close" is. I can think of quite a few programs that I don't think have been close, but I also don't really think WSU has ever really been all that close to a playoff berth under Leach.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: catastrophe on January 13, 2020, 10:38:37 AM
I’d call 1-2 games away as being close to a playoff berth, and I’m pretty sure Wazzu has been there.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2020, 10:39:18 AM
Leach's offense will be baffling to the offensively conservative SEC.  I initially thought he was heading to a program that couldn't get traction in a conference with Alabama and LSU, but then remembered that Mississippi State was ranked #1 a few years ago.  My biggest concern is for Leach, and the lack of patience that Mississippi State has for their football coaches.  This is like their 3rd head coach hire in the past 5 years.

To the first point, I think that offense will not be successful in the SEC before, it's not like it hasn't been tried before, it's not like he hasn't tried it before. SEC defenses are generally good because they have the best defensive talent. It's completely different than getting fat off of a mediocre Big 12, which that era was, and a historically awful Pac 12.

As to the second point, Mississippi State talent and how "close" they've been, I'll respond the same as I would those who are talking about how "close" Leach was at Washington State, once. It doesn't mean anything, anything at all. I'm being serious when I say this but in the BCS/CFP era, the only programs I can think of that weren't close in at least one season are Kentucky and Vandy. Think of all of the other worst programs of this era; KU, Rutgers, Illinois, Colorado, Wake, Georgia Tech, whomever they all had a close year. That's a crutch to dumb down accomplishments, neither Mississippi State nor Leach has shown any ability to sustain the type of success that would allow that hire to make sense.

I guess it just sort of depends on how liberal you want to be with what "close" is. I can think of quite a few programs that I don't think have been close, but I also don't really think WSU has ever really been all that close to a playoff berth under Leach.

I agree with you, I was using the loose definition of close that those who are building the leach narrative are. He's a good coach, there aren't very many of them, he isn't good enough to win at Mississippi State, as the sec is currently constituted.

One thing about Mississippi State and the sec that I'm not sure people consider enough, is that the coach who won there is still in the conference, at a school that is easier to win at. In theory that makes Mississippi State an even harder job to win at than it was when Mullen was there.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 13, 2020, 11:30:51 AM
I’d call 1-2 games away as being close to a playoff berth, and I’m pretty sure Wazzu has been there.

In college football? Not really. As Make it Rain said, just about every program has been there in recent history under that criteria. You aren't almost in the playoffs if the only reason you missed them was losing to a team you were a 10+ point underdog to. They also would have had to beat heavy odds to win a championship game.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: catastrophe on January 13, 2020, 12:27:43 PM
Well I guess I would revise my criteria to be a top 10 ranking AND 1-2 games away.

Sure a lot of coaches fit that description, but there are a lot of good coaches. For the programs that aren’t consistent contenders it ultimately is a matter of luck. More than anything it’s just an indication that a single CFP appearance is not an indication of an elite coach.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: KST8FAN on September 28, 2020, 11:44:26 AM
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Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Pete on October 11, 2020, 10:06:25 AM
The bad wagon appears to be upended. 

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"We're going to have to check some of our group and figure out who really wants to play here," Leach said after the Kentucky loss, "because any malcontents, we're going to have to purge a couple of those."

And now that it's clear that LSU obviously sucks, they've got nothing to hang their hat on at MSU.


https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30088846/mississippi-state-bulldogs-need-purge-malcontents-mike-leach-says-loss
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: michigancat on October 11, 2020, 10:16:08 AM
The bad wagon appears to be upended. 

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"We're going to have to check some of our group and figure out who really wants to play here," Leach said after the Kentucky loss, "because any malcontents, we're going to have to purge a couple of those."

And now that it's clear that LSU obviously sucks, they've got nothing to hang their hat on at MSU.


https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30088846/mississippi-state-bulldogs-need-purge-malcontents-mike-leach-says-loss
He's a bad person
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Pete on October 11, 2020, 10:19:29 AM
Yeah, I agree. I want him to be a good person, because I frequently find him amusing and I LOVE air raid style offense.  He's not though.
Title: Re: the argument for mike leach right now
Post by: Katpappy on October 11, 2020, 03:19:03 PM
Said the same thing at TTU & WSU.  No surprise he's a big baby bully and blames loses on the team.