Author Topic: I want Spradler run off the team  (Read 192593 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Acceleration Man

  • Combo-Fan
  • **
  • Posts: 527
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #75 on: January 17, 2011, 08:08:35 PM »
Nobody said that Jake did a bang-up job today, dude. The point that we're trying to make is that on our myriad list of problems for this team, Pullen doesn't even crack the Top 5. And Spradling's mistakes basically cost us any chance at sustaining the comeback momentum. If you don't think that momentum isn't a huge part of college basketball, then I don't know what to say to you.

Thx for a thoughtful response, 42. To make it clear, I'm not defending Sprads' play this game -- he indeed have some bad turnovers. He wasn't all bad -- he hit a clutch 3 w/ 1 sec. on the shot clock after saving the ball in-bounds, and also made a nice xtra pass to assist Pullen on his only 3-point make of the evening.

The point is, however, this kind of play is expected from a freshman (unless he's a projected lottery pick or something). Pullen had a lot of bad plays when he was forced on the court as a true frosh (take your best shot, Rusty) as well, remember? He (Sprads) makes some bad decisions, but also makes some good ones.

And the point w/ Pullen is, that when you are one of only 2 seniors on the team (the other is a transfer), you're playing PG (rather often), and you're regarded as the best player on your team, you expect him to make good decisions, not force shots, show some leadership on the floor, and make clutch plays. Pullen didn't play terrible tonight, but he didn't play great either. He hasn't had a "great" game all year long, and while he indeed does make some nice plays for stretches in a game, the true clutch plays are not there.

In short, much more is expected of Pullen than of Sprads, and rightfully so. It is my opinion that Pullen overall has failed to meet expectations more so than Spradling. As far as momentum goes, sure that stretch was key, but as a few others have said, Sprads was certainly not alone in contributing to the momentum loss.


Offline raquetcat

  • PCKK7DC Survivor
  • Katpak'r
  • *******
  • Posts: 1957
  • ^ I let us down
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #76 on: January 17, 2011, 08:08:45 PM »
I would like to cuntpunch the next jackhole that uses the term "true freshman" on a basketball board.

But, but, but sprads is only a

TRUE FRESHMAN
« Last Edit: January 17, 2011, 08:10:41 PM by raquetcat »
I'm purple down

Offline kso_FAN

  • Global Moderator
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 29506
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #77 on: January 17, 2011, 08:08:56 PM »
Sprads is similar to JHR to me; some teams are just a bad match-up. Against big, physical bigs, JHR gets pushed around. Against really quick guards, Sprads struggles with pressure. I was calling for Frank to take him out several times today because of this problem.

However, overall he's given about what I expected, if not more, so its silly to get too upset at him for me. I'm disappointed in the guys we counted on this year. Very little of what Sprads did in the first half impacted this game, and that was where the game was lost.  But several of the guys we were counting on struggled and put the team in position to rely on a ridiculous comeback to win at Missouri, and it was way more than one guy. And it was those same guys that contributed to much more winnable losses to OSU and CU. So when I think about people who put thus team in the position we are in for both the season and this game, I can't even put Sprads in the top 5, maybe not even the top 10.

catzacker

  • Guest
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2011, 08:12:01 PM »
frank seems to recognize that sprad sucks on defense towards the end of games.

Offline Acceleration Man

  • Combo-Fan
  • **
  • Posts: 527
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2011, 08:12:58 PM »
Sprads is similar to JHR to me; some teams are just a bad match-up. Against big, physical bigs, JHR gets pushed around. Against really quick guards, Sprads struggles with pressure. I was calling for Frank to take him out several times today because of this problem.

However, overall he's given about what I expected, if not more, so its silly to get too upset at him for me. I'm disappointed in the guys we counted on this year. Very little of what Sprads did in the first half impacted this game, and that was where the game was lost.  But several of the guys we were counting on struggled and put the team in position to rely on a ridiculous comeback to win at Missouri, and it was way more than one guy. And it was those same guys that contributed to much more winnable losses to OSU and CU. So when I think about people who put thus team in the position we are in for both the season and this game, I can't even put Sprads in the top 5, maybe not even the top 10.

 :cheers:

Offline 0.42

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 7746
  • pasghetti
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2011, 08:13:51 PM »
Sprads is similar to JHR to me; some teams are just a bad match-up. Against big, physical bigs, JHR gets pushed around. Against really quick guards, Sprads struggles with pressure. I was calling for Frank to take him out several times today because of this problem.

However, overall he's given about what I expected, if not more, so its silly to get too upset at him for me. I'm disappointed in the guys we counted on this year. Very little of what Sprads did in the first half impacted this game, and that was where the game was lost.  But several of the guys we were counting on struggled and put the team in position to rely on a ridiculous comeback to win at Missouri, and it was way more than one guy. And it was those same guys that contributed to much more winnable losses to OSU and CU. So when I think about people who put thus team in the position we are in for both the season and this game, I can't even put Sprads in the top 5, maybe not even the top 10.

I think this thread mostly stems from the frustration of how Sprads basically killed what would have been a season-changing comeback. Was it likely that we would've hung on? No. But it would've been nice to at least get a 2-3 point lead and let it play from there. But yes, this was a full team failure like the other losses. Great post as usual.

Offline sys

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 40815
  • your reputation will never recover, nor should it.
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2011, 08:28:21 PM »
I was pretty pissed at sprads, but I imagine sys will clown us all when he reviews the tape.

:frown:

i hope everyone appreciates that i'm letting them vent in peace.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

Offline kstatefreak42

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2911
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #82 on: January 17, 2011, 08:35:33 PM »
CEZAR GUERRERO.
EMAW

Offline Benja

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 6365
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2011, 08:45:28 PM »
Gotta say, I'm a lot more pissed at Frank for playing a rough ridin' frosh from shawnee the amount of minutes he's playing,  in critical times in critical games. Doc's just being Doc. Being fed to the dogs a couple times a week.

Offline Powercat Posse

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 4585
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #84 on: January 17, 2011, 08:49:55 PM »
Sprads on the court is not even a top 5 problem issue either.  Some games  he is gonna struggle.  Almost everyone struggled tonight

We had no business losing to CU but because we had a long dry spell on offense (outscored 27-7 in 13 min span) we lost.   Can't blame that on Sprads because he was on the bench the entire time in that stretch.   He gets brought in and Frank goes 4 guards (we were down 11 remember) and we score 24 pts in 6.5 minutes

Today we were down 15 at half.  Frank brings Sprads in early in the 2nd and he is playing decent and the team is playing well, so he plays a lot..... and a 15 pt lead is trimmed to 3.  

Lots of guys played well vs Tech...... but Sprads line was good  = 7 pts 5 ast 1 to

If he sucks so bad, why is it that when he is 1 of the 5 guys on the floor, our team seems to do pretty decent



« Last Edit: January 17, 2011, 08:51:58 PM by Powercat Posse »

Offline Paul Moscow

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 1844
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #85 on: January 17, 2011, 08:57:07 PM »
Franks the dumbass. Offers marginally-talented Will Spradling a scholarship before he offers almost anyone else - I'd like to hope as an investment into the future, not to immediately replace Clemente. Then, down the line, never recruits a pg to replace Clemente....waits....waits.....waits....then signs a bad Canadian......then claims he already has a point guard (Jacob Pullen) who isn't even very good at pg.....circles back to Will Spradling.


Offline Benja

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 6365
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #86 on: January 17, 2011, 09:00:56 PM »
Sprads on the court is not even a top 5 problem issue either.  Some games  he is gonna struggle.  Almost everyone struggled tonight

We had no business losing to CU but because we had a long dry spell on offense (outscored 27-7 in 13 min span) we lost.   Can't blame that on Sprads because he was on the bench the entire time in that stretch.   He gets brought in and Frank goes 4 guards (we were down 11 remember) and we score 24 pts in 6.5 minutes

Today we were down 15 at half.  Frank brings Sprads in early in the 2nd and he is playing decent and the team is playing well, so he plays a lot..... and a 15 pt lead is trimmed to 3. 

Lots of guys played well vs Tech...... but Sprads line was good  = 7 pts 5 ast 1 to

If he sucks so bad, why is it that when he is 1 of the 5 guys on the floor, our team seems to do pretty decent






 :goodbyecruelworld:

Offline slimz

  • PCKK7DC Survivor
  • Katpak'r
  • *******
  • Posts: 2128
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #87 on: January 17, 2011, 09:28:30 PM »
Sprads is similar to JHR to me; some teams are just a bad match-up. Against big, physical bigs, JHR gets pushed around. Against really quick guards, Sprads struggles with pressure. I was calling for Frank to take him out several times today because of this problem.

However, overall he's given about what I expected, if not more, so its silly to get too upset at him for me. I'm disappointed in the guys we counted on this year. Very little of what Sprads did in the first half impacted this game, and that was where the game was lost.  But several of the guys we were counting on struggled and put the team in position to rely on a ridiculous comeback to win at Missouri, and it was way more than one guy. And it was those same guys that contributed to much more winnable losses to OSU and CU. So when I think about people who put thus team in the position we are in for both the season and this game, I can't even put Sprads in the top 5, maybe not even the top 10.

Problem for K-State is, it wasn't a ridiculous comeback.  It's what Mizzou does; it's what they've done all year:  go on runs and give up runs, against all levels of competition.  K-State was going to make a run at some point, unless they were about the worst team Mizzou had faced.  Anyone taking solace in the fact that K-State got back within 3 should keep this in mind.  K-State didn't do anything special, they just did what any average team does against Mizzou.

The same things hurt K-State that have hurt them all year long:  dumb, dumb, dumb turnovers, inability to finish within 3 feet of the basket, inability to rebound, and a point in the game at which everyone decides to just take off a few defensive possessions.  Unsurprisingly, all 4 of those things seem to be related to a lack of athletic coordination.

Offline Scary Smart

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 1589
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2011, 09:29:26 PM »
:anxiouslyawaitingnextBMWpost:

Offline wiley

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2191
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2011, 09:33:34 PM »
Jamar and Kelly 4-11 (11 GD shots)
24 rough ridin' turnovers
and how many gd times did we leave the 3 point shooter?

we're mental midgets
it's easy to be emaw when EMAW is at your doorstep - FFF

Offline kso_FAN

  • Global Moderator
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 29506
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #90 on: January 17, 2011, 09:37:57 PM »
Sprads is similar to JHR to me; some teams are just a bad match-up. Against big, physical bigs, JHR gets pushed around. Against really quick guards, Sprads struggles with pressure. I was calling for Frank to take him out several times today because of this problem.

However, overall he's given about what I expected, if not more, so its silly to get too upset at him for me. I'm disappointed in the guys we counted on this year. Very little of what Sprads did in the first half impacted this game, and that was where the game was lost.  But several of the guys we were counting on struggled and put the team in position to rely on a ridiculous comeback to win at Missouri, and it was way more than one guy. And it was those same guys that contributed to much more winnable losses to OSU and CU. So when I think about people who put thus team in the position we are in for both the season and this game, I can't even put Sprads in the top 5, maybe not even the top 10.

Problem for K-State is, it wasn't a ridiculous comeback.  It's what Mizzou does; it's what they've done all year:  go on runs and give up runs, against all levels of competition.  K-State was going to make a run at some point, unless they were about the worst team Mizzou had faced.  Anyone taking solace in the fact that K-State got back within 3 should keep this in mind.  K-State didn't do anything special, they just did what any average team does against Mizzou.

The same things hurt K-State that have hurt them all year long:  dumb, dumb, dumb turnovers, inability to finish within 3 feet of the basket, inability to rebound, and a point in the game at which everyone decides to just take off a few defensive possessions.  Unsurprisingly, all 4 of those things seem to be related to a lack of athletic coordination.

Yes, but they win those games at home, that's why they have two losses the last 2 and a half seasons at home. You can make runs when you don't turn the ball over, but by getting behind by 15 you put a ton of pressure on every possession and use a ton of energy coming back just to make it a game. Leading to stupid mistakes, which we made plenty of tonight.

Online nicname

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 16995
  • Deal with it.
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #91 on: January 17, 2011, 09:55:46 PM »
I basically blame him for everything bad that happened in that 2-3 min stretch :ck:

I blame Frank for playing him.  We were down by 3 when Frank decided to rest Jake and insert Sprads.  Sprads was awful in the first half, and I was definitely skeptical about the move.  Sure enough the TO's picked back up and we were done for.

Sucks.  Though @MU is a game that even good teams will lose a lot of the time.  The CU and @OSU are the ones you want to have back.  1-3.  Big hole to climb out of.
If there was a gif of nicname thwarting the attempted-flag-taker and then gesturing him to suck it, followed by motioning for all of Hilton Shelter to boo him louder, it'd be better than that auburn gif.

Offline kso_FAN

  • Global Moderator
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 29506
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #92 on: January 17, 2011, 10:00:43 PM »
I basically blame him for everything bad that happened in that 2-3 min stretch :ck:

I blame Frank for playing him.  We were down by 3 when Frank decided to rest Jake and insert Sprads.  Sprads was awful in the first half, and I was definitely skeptical about the move.  Sure enough the TO's picked back up and we were done for.

Sucks.  Though @MU is a game that even good teams will lose a lot of the time.  The CU and @OSU are the ones you want to have back.  1-3.  Big hole to climb out of.

Yep, this is why I was much more upset after the CU and OSU games. Those were reasonable games to win. If we had fought in either through the 2nd half like we did the first 12 minutes today in the 2nd half we win at least one of those. 

Today was more of a "you made your bed, now you have to sleep in it" game.

Offline Skipper44

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 7629
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #93 on: January 17, 2011, 10:01:27 PM »
At some point the extended minutes for Sprads are like the playing or Merriwether in the past - lazy coaching on Frank's part.

Of course Sprads and Merriwether will try to do what ever the coach's tell them and when they fail it is easy to look at their lack of athletic ability as the reason.  

The hard part of coaching is getting the Nick Russells, Fred Browns and 95s prepared and ready to play.  The Sprads and Cmerrs are always going to be Sprads and Cmerrs and at some point it is a waste of time to try and "develop" a player that will never have the physical ability to play at this level.

Offline Dugout DickStone

  • Global Moderator
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 53868
  • BSPAC
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #94 on: January 17, 2011, 10:04:13 PM »
O/U on posts before account deletion? Taking bets now.


Says the guy who has deleted his account about three times in the last two months.  F*ck you, Turncoat42yardblimp.

Huge win for the chubby chasing virgin who can't get a job.

Grats Ben, you really earned this one!

Offline sys

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 40815
  • your reputation will never recover, nor should it.
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2011, 10:05:24 PM »
The Sprads and Cmerrs are always going to be Sprads and Cmerrs and at some point it is a waste of time to try and "develop" a player that will never have the physical ability to play at this level.

gmafb.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

Offline OregonSmock

  • Point Plank'r
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *
  • Posts: 8512
  • Mashing 'taters like an Old Country Buffet
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2011, 11:10:27 PM »
bmw, stop it. you're being an bad person, and are alienating friends.

stop doing this. why do you do this? it's a HUGE personality flaw you posses.


You're right, fats, but 42 started it.  I'm sorry.


:cry:

Offline Paul Moscow

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 1844
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2011, 11:16:28 PM »
bmw, stop it. you're being an bad person, and are alienating friends.

stop doing this. why do you do this? it's a HUGE personality flaw you posses.


You're right, fats, but 42 started it.  I'm sorry.


:cry:

Friends?

42, are we friends?

This losing is making me really sentimental guys, I'm sorry. Really vulnerable.

Offline MakeItRain

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 45934
  • big roas man
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2011, 02:34:05 AM »
Misplaced hatred.  It isn't Doc's fault that he is getting more minutes than he deserves and is playing nowhere close to an effective role for him.  Every team in the big six conference has a guy luke him, the good ones don't have that guy as essentially the back-up point guard.  At this point in his career he should be seeing spot minutes as a spot up shooter.  Unfortunately we don't seem to have a guard to breakdown defenses to make Skyler McBee effective.

If the staff does their job Doc will be effective in his role before he graduates, theres no shot he gets Dominique Brandersoned, none, ever.

Offline kstatefreak42

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2911
    • View Profile
Re: I want Spradler run off the team
« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2011, 04:06:13 AM »
bmw, stop it. you're being an bad person, and are alienating friends.

stop doing this. why do you do this? it's a HUGE personality flaw you posses.


You're right, fats, but 42 started it.  I'm sorry.


:cry:

Friends?

42, are we friends?

This losing is making me really sentimental guys, I'm sorry. Really vulnerable.
I hardly know you big guy
EMAW