2013 Recruiting Thread

[Panjandrum]

Maybe I'm off here, but it seems like oscar doesn't care about recruiting guards who play defense.  He likes a post guy that blocks shots to clean up the mess.

Am I wrong here?  Seems like a pattern.

[MakeItRain]

I like this kid. He is a bit undersized (which is probably why he was a mid major recruit), but it sounds like he blew up a bit his senior year after moving and got high major interest from Seton Hall, Missouri, and us. I like that he's a combo and hopefully he can become the next Tay. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

He's like Marty, except flipflop the the offense and defense. He didn't look too interested in guarding people, but he did hit threes from NBA range and dunked on bitches. So, really he would be the anti-Marty.

Last season Tay was better offensively than defensively.

[ksupamplemousse]

I like this kid. He is a bit undersized (which is probably why he was a mid major recruit), but it sounds like he blew up a bit his senior year after moving and got high major interest from Seton Hall, Missouri, and us. I like that he's a combo and hopefully he can become the next Tay. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

He's like Marty, except flipflop the the offense and defense. He didn't look too interested in guarding people, but he did hit threes from NBA range and dunked on bitches. So, really he would be the anti-Marty.

Last season Tay was better offensively than defensively.

I was just trying to compare them coming in as freshman. Obviously hard to do with limited film, but I haven't read anything that would indicate that Nigel is a good defender (haven't read anything that says he isn't either.) Marty was touted as a a tough, physical defender when we signed him.

[EMAWzified]

The oscar yardstick: He's better than Orris.

I'm not sure you realize what's going on here.

Could be I'm behind the curve. Enlighten me.

[Stevesie60]

I like this kid. He is a bit undersized (which is probably why he was a mid major recruit), but it sounds like he blew up a bit his senior year after moving and got high major interest from Seton Hall, Missouri, and us. I like that he's a combo and hopefully he can become the next Tay. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

He's like Marty, except flipflop the the offense and defense. He didn't look too interested in guarding people, but he did hit threes from NBA range and dunked on bitches. So, really he would be the anti-Marty.

Last season Tay was better offensively than defensively.

I was just trying to compare them coming in as freshman. Obviously hard to do with limited film, but I haven't read anything that would indicate that Nigel is a good defender (haven't read anything that says he isn't either.) Marty was touted as a a tough, physical defender when we signed him.

Well the video I posted showed him getting a ton of steals. I don't think I've ever seen that many minutes worth of a high school recruit getting steals. But regardless, defense is significantly easier to teach than shooting ability.

[illBisonYourdele]

I like this kid. He is a bit undersized (which is probably why he was a mid major recruit), but it sounds like he blew up a bit his senior year after moving and got high major interest from Seton Hall, Missouri, and us. I like that he's a combo and hopefully he can become the next Tay. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

He's like Marty, except flipflop the the offense and defense. He didn't look too interested in guarding people, but he did hit threes from NBA range and dunked on bitches. So, really he would be the anti-Marty.

Last season Tay was better offensively than defensively.

the vids would indicate he will miss less open layups than Tay in a 4 year period

[ksupamplemousse]

I like this kid. He is a bit undersized (which is probably why he was a mid major recruit), but it sounds like he blew up a bit his senior year after moving and got high major interest from Seton Hall, Missouri, and us. I like that he's a combo and hopefully he can become the next Tay. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

He's like Marty, except flipflop the the offense and defense. He didn't look too interested in guarding people, but he did hit threes from NBA range and dunked on bitches. So, really he would be the anti-Marty.

Last season Tay was better offensively than defensively.

I was just trying to compare them coming in as freshman. Obviously hard to do with limited film, but I haven't read anything that would indicate that Nigel is a good defender (haven't read anything that says he isn't either.) Marty was touted as a a tough, physical defender when we signed him.

Well the video I posted showed him getting a ton of steals. I don't think I've ever seen that many minutes worth of a high school recruit getting steals. But regardless, defense is significantly easier to teach than shooting ability.

I missed that vid, gonna have to check it out. And to your point, yes.

[SwiftCat]

The oscar yardstick: He's better than Orris.

I'm not sure you realize what's going on here.

Could be I'm behind the curve. Enlighten me.

We had 4 open scholly's for the 2013 Class when the 2012/13 basketball season started. Those 4 spots were filled up during the winter. After the NCAA tournament, we oscar'd 2 guys. Orris and Diaz. That gives us to more scholly's (at least) for the 2013 class. In order for those two transfers to benefit us, the incoming players have to be better than the ones they are replacing. Nigel looks to be better than Orris, and we are in need of a comboguard to rest Angel. At least until Jevon can play in the spring. For a spring 'cruit, he is solid.

[SwiftCat]

His stroke is bizarre. Looks like a double clutch version of Angel's.

He shoots one-handed. Kind of over the shoulder. V weird.

[MakeItRain]

That release point is very low. I like him though. I like that he plays like he's the best player on the floor. I obviously haven't seen an entire game of his, but I'm guessing he doesn't have games when he goes unnoticed. I also like that he appears to like contact when he gets into the lane. He's going to need to lose that scoop shot though. Those guards he played against in the videos were horrendous.

Johnson and Frankamp should have some fun battles dropping bombs and talking crap to each other the next 4 years.

[SwiftCat]

He's going to need to lose that scoop shot though. Those guards he played against in the videos were horrendous.

Yup.

[Lefty]

Dribbling. Can someone give a decent breakdown of how well he can dribble? It's hard to explain, but i can't watch youtube at the moment.

[slobber]

Plants his right foot first for basically every shot. Then does like a double clutch. Probably can get his shot off better than Angel, but still doesn't look ideal.

[mocat]

I like this kid. He is a bit undersized (which is probably why he was a mid major recruit), but it sounds like he blew up a bit his senior year after moving and got high major interest from Seton Hall, Missouri, and us. I like that he's a combo and hopefully he can become the next Tay. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

He's like Marty, except flipflop the the offense and defense. He didn't look too interested in guarding people, but he did hit threes from NBA range and dunked on bitches. So, really he would be the anti-Marty.

Last season Tay was better offensively than defensively.

Neck and neck, imo. How do you compare 2 masterpieces?

[scottwildcat]

so what is the list of players we are targeting for the one* open spot? tia


*for now

[kostakio]

so what is the list of players we are targeting for the one* open spot? tia


*for now

Lowrey was quoted as saying we want a big with some age.  He was also talking about holding a ship for next year.  The ideal for me would be to get one of these senior transfers with some size so we can kind of have our cake and eat it too.  Is that big kid from Purdue still available he looked decent? 



 

[kostakio]

Maybe I'm off here, but it seems like oscar doesn't care about recruiting guards who play defense.  He likes a post guy that blocks shots to clean up the mess.

Am I wrong here?  Seems like a pattern.

I think 90% of coaches recruit kids that can score first and then try and teach them to play defense.  We're just not used to it because our last two coaches fell into the 10% that recruit defense first.   

[sys]

posted by redacted:
How close was Nigel Johnson to cracking the top 150? Seems like a pretty talented player.


posted by bossi:
Never came up. Solid player, very bouncy and streaky shooter/scorer. But not particularly big for a combo guard. Solid mid major prospect.

[wabash909]

posted by redacted:
How close was Nigel Johnson to cracking the top 150? Seems like a pretty talented player.


posted by bossi:
Never came up. Solid player, very bouncy and streaky shooter/scorer. But not particularly big for a combo guard. Solid mid major prospect.

Fantastic.

[Skipper44]

posted by redacted:
How close was Nigel Johnson to cracking the top 150? Seems like a pretty talented player.


posted by bossi:
Never came up. Solid player, very bouncy and streaky shooter/scorer. But not particularly big for a combo guard. Solid mid major prospect.

Fantastic.

I don't want to defend oscar but I get much less work up about bringing in MM quality guards (especially pgs/combos) than I do bigs - even less so if they are athletic.  Size in pgs and combos is can be overrated.

[FranklyFrankYou]

I agree with the MM guard theory. Not saying this is the case at all but there have been a ton of guards make it to the league from MM schools... Rodney Stuckey, Steph Cutty, Eric Maynor. Granted, I don't know what their HS profiles and offer lists were but bring deemed a mid major prospect is by no means a death toll to your future success...hell Jake was gonna go to Dayton or some place like that had we not rolled thru.

[sys]

I don't want to defend oscar but I get much less work up about bringing in MM quality guards (especially pgs/combos) than I do bigs - even less so if they are athletic.  Size in pgs and combos is can be overrated.

absolutely correct on every point.  bigs are like 100 times easier to scout.

[Mixed-Nutz]

I don't want to defend oscar but I get much less work up about bringing in MM quality guards (especially pgs/combos) than I do bigs - even less so if they are athletic.  Size in pgs and combos is can be overrated.

absolutely correct on every point.  bigs are like 100 times easier to scout.

Bigs ceiling are really easy to scout i.e. this kid has not chance of being a high major player. Find bigs that pan out and be solid is harder than finding solid guards.

[sys]

are you saying that it's easier to find a good guard than a good big?  i agree with that, if that's what you're saying.

[sys]

They basically were telling me I could come in right away and play heavy minutes and have a great impact and make a big difference.

Weber's love for guards is evident in his 2013 class. With the addition of Johnson, that is the fourth guard or wing player he has landed for K-State this year.