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Re: We'll be fine without Koenning.
« Reply #100 on: October 13, 2010, 04:49:38 PM »
Gotta go with the family now because no established coach will come knowing that we'll soon be a mid major.

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Re: We'll be fine without Koenning.
« Reply #101 on: October 13, 2010, 05:05:04 PM »
Why not just make Leavitt HC?
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Do you really think we'll do better?  We've had two chances lately and couldn't find anyone but OB and some loser from Virginia.

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Re: We'll be fine without Koenning.
« Reply #102 on: October 13, 2010, 05:21:45 PM »
Leavitt certainly isn't the sexiest option as our next HC but he's probably the best we are going to get.  Might as well lock him up when we have the chance.  Dude has demonstrated the ability to win a lot of games at the BCS level.  Plus, what happens if we pass on him, whiff on GP and whatever other targets we may have, and end up with someone like Ronny again- a mediocre coordinator from some mediocre BCS team?  Especially when Leavitt finds another job and starts producing better records and teams than the dood we get stuck with?  We're not getting Miles or Richt so you may as well just forget about those guys, they're not even an option.

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Re: We'll be fine without Koenning.
« Reply #103 on: October 24, 2010, 08:30:23 AM »
In response to the tard idiocy that it's only about a lack of talent, this dude basically nails.

If VK could take the pile of horse cac of personnel that Prince left behind and could mold it into a top 40 defense, there are NO excuses for the debacle in year two with Cosh.

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I don't buy your argument. Cosh is a decent LB coach, but not a DC. Do you know why we went with the 4-2-5? Do you think it was because we wanted to get more speed on the field? Do you think it was intended to defend the spread? The reality is it was likely neither. The 4-2-5 was brought in because Vic and Cosh knew it pretty well. But most importantly because it's a very straight forward defense to pick up and teach. It let's athletes be athletes, which reduces the amount of thinking needed, which in turn makes the defense play faster. When Cosh/VK came in, so much work needed to be done to teach the basics again, they needed to simplify the defense to speed them back up after using a lot of the time re-teaching basics. Right now, it seems like we are losing those basics again, not to mention being out of position.

I also took some time to look up the defensive resume of Cosh versus VK prior to their time at KSU.

Cosh was the DC at MD from 2006-2008. In 2005, the defense was #43. Then in 06-08 under CC, the defense went 84, 40, and 64 - avg of 64 and inconsistent as hell. Then in 2009 after CC left MD, the defense finished #83. Kind of all over the place, but the defense got worse overall under CC at MD with his best finish being #40 - which was kind of an outlying stat IMO.

Let's look at VK at Clemson/IL. Before he arrives, Clemson finished #26 in the country in total defense. In 2005-2008 under VK, Clemson finished 20, 13, 9, and 18 (avg defense 15th in the country) with consistent improvement overall. After VK left, they were back up to #20 - not far off, but worse than what they were under VK. Right now, Clemson is #51 in total defense. Not a good trend for the Clemson defense. I'd say the Clemson defense was better under VK than before and after. Right now, IL is the #23 rated defense. The year before VK got there in 2008, they were #56. I see a trend that follows VK - and trend of defenses that consistently improve and perform well under his coaching. I don't see that with Cosh.



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Re: We'll be fine without Koenning.
« Reply #104 on: October 24, 2010, 08:58:29 AM »
We run the 4-2-5 because we don't have 3 real LBs on roster

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Re: We'll be fine without Koenning.
« Reply #105 on: October 24, 2010, 09:09:33 AM »
We run the 4-2-5 because we don't have 3 real LBs on roster

We don't have any.  2 is less than 3 though.

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Re: We'll be fine without Koenning.
« Reply #106 on: October 24, 2010, 09:15:11 AM »


this solves all of our problems.

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Re: We'll be fine without Koenning.
« Reply #107 on: October 25, 2010, 08:22:41 PM »
We run the 4-2-5 because we don't have 3 real LBs on roster

but we don't have good safeties either...

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Re: We'll be fine without Koenning.
« Reply #108 on: October 25, 2010, 09:11:49 PM »
Not to mention our safeties... that were on the rost last year, have somehow became worse this year.   How can coaching take a raw athlete that didn't know crap about a position and make him worse.  Not that ksu safeties haven't trended in that direction.  But honestly, I don't remember hartman taking such horrible angles last year.
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Re: We'll be fine without Koenning.
« Reply #109 on: October 25, 2010, 09:19:50 PM »
Had same safeties as last year and we played better d.....bottom line, cosh is responsible, and bill is ultimately the one to blame....maybe we can pass a collection plate around at the last 2 home games. Just think if everyone pitched in ten bucks each we'd have quite a bit of money to shitcan cosh and bring in someone who can restore the mob

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Re: We'll be fine without Koenning.
« Reply #110 on: October 25, 2010, 09:30:50 PM »
Had same safeties as last year and we played better d.....bottom line, cosh is responsible, and bill is ultimately the one to blame....maybe we can pass a collection plate around at the last 2 home games. Just think if everyone pitched in ten bucks each we'd have quite a bit of money to shitcan cosh and bring in someone who can restore the mob

yeah.... that's my point.   they've become worse....   we're complaining about coaching....      :flush:
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