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Kansas State Football / Re: Delton thoughts

« on: October 22, 2017, 01:08:47 PM »

Daniel Sams 2.0. Let the infighting begin.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 22, 2017, 12:53:45 PM »

You keep asking for people to explain conservative or populist concepts that everybody already knows about, if you really don’t know then do some reading on your own,  we’re not teaching intro to conservatism in this thread, sheesh.

Actually, I feel like you've explained your idea of conservatism more in this thread than in any other thread. I would like for you to explain more. Again, I feel like the Trump/Bannon idea of conservatism is different than anything we've ever seen. I'm trying to better grasp your ideals. I still haven't heard from you how we bring back manufacturing jobs. What policies could possibly do that. I would strongly support that, but I don't think it's feasible.

It is, I’m just not in to writing long posts about it, I would encourage you to watch Trump campaign speeches in the rust belt, then look for articles about Trump POLICY from people that are not spending every waking hour trying to destroy him.

I haven't seen or heard any actual policy. I just hear how he is the best at everything. I don't put my trust in him so I cannot believe that. Show me policy. Articulate how it will work. I have seen nothing.

So far, what I have seen from Trump is he wants the congress and senate to produce and then he'll sign it. That's the biggest complaint about him, in my opinion, is that he can't sell the deal because he doesn't know anything about it (i.e. health care, Iran deal, etc.). Republicans need him to further sell the deal but he has proven incapable of doing that. He may be in a rare position to talk about tax reform but the initial proposal doesn't benefit his base it benefits the elites.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 22, 2017, 12:37:37 PM »

You keep asking for people to explain conservative or populist concepts that everybody already knows about, if you really don’t know then do some reading on your own,  we’re not teaching intro to conservatism in this thread, sheesh.

Actually, I feel like you've explained your idea of conservatism more in this thread than in any other thread. I would like for you to explain more. Again, I feel like the Trump/Bannon idea of conservatism is different than anything we've ever seen. I'm trying to better grasp your ideals. I still haven't heard from you how we bring back manufacturing jobs. What policies could possibly do that. I would strongly support that, but I don't think it's feasible.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 22, 2017, 12:21:01 PM »

Bucket, I think you are a good dude with different views, but you are exhibiting zombie tendencies in this thread.

 

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 22, 2017, 12:15:12 PM »

Interesting take. First, you seem to suggest 24/7 news networks are bad but then seem to appreciate their efforts in the Clinton scandal. I despise them. I think they create alot of hysteria that isn't necessary.

Diversification of the media has been both good and bad. Much of cable news and internet news is blather, but so is and was much of network news and traditional print media. The fact that we live in a news saturated society does stoke "divisiveness" but I would obviously prefer that to the liberal stranglehold of the MSM.

I'm curious why you view Obama as a partisan. Pot meet kettle. Am I right?

Trump seems to be initiating culture wars. Obama responded to catastrophes in a way you might not like but he wasn't instigating the issue.

Obama was massively partisan and the most liberal president in history. He often stoked racial tension by frequently wading into police shooting cases - and getting it wrong. From Trevon Martin to Ferguson to that Georgetown  professor. He engaged in massive abuse of the administrative state from IRS targeting to EPA overreach to the DOE's "advice" on same sex locker rooms to Eric Holder's "justice" department's selective enforcement of laws to wholesale disregard of immigration law. I could go on. And his sole legislative "achievement" is a piece of crap healthcare law that was rammed through without a single republican vote. Partisan? Absolutely.

Again, if you want to know where divisiveness comes from, look in the mirror. Ask yourself what being a "progressive" is all about. You may think the change you are working for is worthy, but that doesn't mean it isn't divisive. And the complete mental meltdown in response to Trump is extremely divisive. Granted, Trump deliberately contributes by trolling the libs, and I can't really blame him - I'd troll the libs to my political advantage, too.

I think you mean the Harvard professor. How was that handled in a partisan manner? He had beer with the home owner and the arresting officer.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Evolution of the 3rd Party?

« on: October 22, 2017, 11:41:38 AM »

Practically speaking, we already have more than two parties. Both parties have multiple factions. Instead of a parliamentary system where two or more parties must coelesce to form a majority government, we winnow the various factions through a more elaborate system of primary elections, but that really isn't that dissimilar.

"Principled conservatives" (i.e. non-pragmatic) and "moderate Republicans" (i.e. all in favor of big government as long as they're in power) are butthurt because Trump's populist faction won, but that won't always be the case.

Socialists are butthurt that the Dems rigged the primary to defeat their choice, and they have every right to be pissed about that. But they fail to realize that Bernie would lose the general in a McGovern style landslide.

Sounds like we're in agreement. So the question is, is this not the best opportunity for a third party in our lifetime?

The GOP should start by ditching the main networks altogether when it comes to debates, and moving the early primaries to the true battleground states.

What issues did you have with the debates?

The questions and format were not designed to elicit substantive debate. Far too many questions were, frankly, a silly waste of time. They were also designed to encourage infra-fighting as opposed to focusing on which candidate could most effectively ecisverate the Dems.

Presidential debates or nominee debates? I don't think the issue was so much the questions as Trump's answers had no substance.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 22, 2017, 10:59:33 AM »

Obama is and always will be the most partisan pos president this country has ever seen. It took Trump like 6 mos to abandon the pubs and start working with the dems. B.O. was constantly running down anyone who opposed his wtf failure of an agenda.

Don't conflate leftist propoganda with reality (eg, the wall is racist, trump is a white supremacist, trump peed on a russian hooker, etc). Good grief libtards are libtarded.

Working across the aisle, clearly.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 22, 2017, 10:47:25 AM »

The country seems more divided than I can ever remember in my lifetime. Not to mention breaking traditional rules (i.e. emoluments clause and releasing tax returns). Could create a bad precedent for future presidents. Also, weakening our alliances. The threat of nuclear war.

Perhaps it seems that way to you, but this didn't start with Trump. You could trace this all the back to the rise of the militant left in the late 60s, but I would peg the more recent breakdown in our civil discourse to Bubba's sordid behavior in the WH. This happens to be when alternatives to the big 3 news outlets really took off, particularly websites like Drudge Report, which broke several aspects of the Lewinsky affair that would have likely otherwise been buried.

This led to impeachment, which made the liberals super embarrassed and angry. And then GWB "stole" the election (he didn't) which made the liberals even angrier. And then 9/11 happened and the country rallied behind GWB, which made the liberals even angrier and frustrated. And then the Iraq war (which most Dems supported) went bad, and the Dems seized their opportunity. And then came Obama, who was way more liberal, partisan and divisive than any other president to date, pushing the country left on divisive social issues, which made the conservatives and blue collar people angry. And now comes Trump, who has not only sharply swung the pendulum back the other way, but won an absolutely gob smackingly shocking victory, breaking the brains of many liberals (I expound at length about this in the Trump Presidency thread).

So, this is been going on for some time, and put this divisiveness squarely on Trump is more than a little unfair. Liberals hysteria and radicalism bears most of the blame. After all, the very essence of "progressivism" is to promote a shift in society. You don't think that sort of change is divisive?

Interesting take. First, you seem to suggest 24/7 news networks are bad but then seem to appreciate their efforts in the Clinton scandal. I despise them. I think they create alot of hysteria that isn't necessary.

I'm curious why you view Obama as a partisan. Pot meet kettle. Am I right?

Trump seems to be initiating culture wars. Obama responded to catastrophes in a way you might not like but he wasn't instigating the issue.

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: cooking

« on: October 22, 2017, 09:41:25 AM »

Last meal before the typhoon. It's coming right for me

It's a super typhoon! 

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 22, 2017, 12:03:30 AM »

With the right policy in place, sure why not

You can't compete. 35k a year for an American or $10 a day for a Filipino kid.

Allowing this, is how we got where we are

Allowing what?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 22, 2017, 12:00:09 AM »

Trade war?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 21, 2017, 11:57:52 PM »

With the right policy in place, sure why not

You can't compete. 35k a year for an American or $10 a day for a Filipino kid.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 21, 2017, 11:49:19 PM »

I would have voted so hard for jeb or even the hot tub bc they are real people with feelings and brains and coherent thought. Sucks that the worst imaginable human being won the pub primary :(

interesting that a lot of you don’t know who has been rough ridin' you over and who has come along in unprecedented historic fashion to take the bat out of your collective asses.

Trump populism’s goal is to un-game the system to the benefit of all Americans.  Establishment politicians have sold our people out to foreign governments and multi-national corporations.  They are fuckfaces and are fighting him tooth and nail.

Would you explain how how this would benefit all of us Americans?

Setting policy that encourages corporate investment in the U.S. bringing jobs, higher wages, and a robust economy.

Manufacturing jobs? Do you think they can be brought back?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 21, 2017, 11:32:56 PM »

I would have voted so hard for jeb or even the hot tub bc they are real people with feelings and brains and coherent thought. Sucks that the worst imaginable human being won the pub primary :(

interesting that a lot of you don’t know who has been rough ridin' you over and who has come along in unprecedented historic fashion to take the bat out of your collective asses.

Trump populism’s goal is to un-game the system to the benefit of all Americans.  Establishment politicians have sold our people out to foreign governments and multi-national corporations.  They are fuckfaces and are fighting him tooth and nail.

Would you explain how how this would benefit all of us Americans?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 21, 2017, 10:04:09 PM »

Trump populism’s goal is to un-game the system to the benefit of all Americans.  Establishment politicians have sold our people out to foreign governments and multi-national corporations.  They are fuckfaces and are fighting him tooth and nail.

This supports my argument for a third party. Sounds like Trump is the Republicans version of Bernie.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 21, 2017, 09:58:46 PM »

The country seems more divided than I can ever remember in my lifetime. Not to mention breaking traditional rules (i.e. emoluments clause and releasing tax returns). Could create a bad precedent for future presidents. Also, weakening our alliances. The threat of nuclear war.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 21, 2017, 09:52:59 PM »

Trump populism’s goal is to un-game the system to the benefit of all Americans.  Establishment politicians have sold our people out to foreign governments and multi-national corporations.  They are fuckfaces.

Thank you for your response. I too hate those multi-national corp effs. I guess I think Trump has held foreign goverments/allies more accountable. I'm concerned as to if this is for the greater good of the country.

However, I don't believe that the good outweighs the bad.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 21, 2017, 09:35:12 PM »

On what grounds?

The apartheid horsecrap

Let's pretend to forget that. What is it that the Trump/Bannon agenda push that the "establishment" types don't that you so resonate with?

I think this is an important question considering the ongiong discord.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 21, 2017, 09:25:25 PM »

On what grounds?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 21, 2017, 09:18:26 PM »

I don't think I know a single person who is happy with the "establishment" GOP like Ryan or McConnell.

Does that mean you think the alternative is better?

Which alternative? Cruz's conservatism? Absolutely. Trump's populism? The answer is still yes.

I guess my thought is, from a democrat, this is a whole new conservative idea. An un-American one.

How so?

Conservatism, in my mind, is about lesser government and personal responsibilty. A sound idea. Trump and Bannonites are about apartheid.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 21, 2017, 08:58:36 PM »

I don't think I know a single person who is happy with the "establishment" GOP like Ryan or McConnell.

Does that mean you think the alternative is better?

Which alternative? Cruz's conservatism? Absolutely. Trump's populism? The answer is still yes.

I guess my thought is, from a democrat, this is a whole new conservative idea. An un-American one.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Evolution of the 3rd Party?

« on: October 21, 2017, 08:47:19 PM »

Practically speaking, we already have more than two parties. Both parties have multiple factions. Instead of a parliamentary system where two or more parties must coelesce to form a majority government, we winnow the various factions through a more elaborate system of primary elections, but that really isn't that dissimilar.

"Principled conservatives" (i.e. non-pragmatic) and "moderate Republicans" (i.e. all in favor of big government as long as they're in power) are butthurt because Trump's populist faction won, but that won't always be the case.

Socialists are butthurt that the Dems rigged the primary to defeat their choice, and they have every right to be pissed about that. But they fail to realize that Bernie would lose the general in a McGovern style landslide.

Sounds like we're in agreement. So the question is, is this not the best opportunity for a third party in our lifetime?

The GOP should start by ditching the main networks altogether when it comes to debates, and moving the early primaries to the true battleground states.

What issues did you have with the debates?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Evolution of the 3rd Party?

« on: October 21, 2017, 07:45:09 PM »

Practically speaking, we already have more than two parties. Both parties have multiple factions. Instead of a parliamentary system where two or more parties must coelesce to form a majority government, we winnow the various factions through a more elaborate system of primary elections, but that really isn't that dissimilar.

"Principled conservatives" (i.e. non-pragmatic) and "moderate Republicans" (i.e. all in favor of big government as long as they're in power) are butthurt because Trump's populist faction won, but that won't always be the case.

Socialists are butthurt that the Dems rigged the primary to defeat their choice, and they have every right to be pissed about that. But they fail to realize that Bernie would lose the general in a McGovern style landslide.

Sounds like we're in agreement. So the question is, is this not the best opportunity for a third party in our lifetime?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types

« on: October 21, 2017, 07:43:07 PM »

I don't think I know a single person who is happy with the "establishment" GOP like Ryan or McConnell.

Does that mean you think the alternative is better?

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Kansas State Football / Re: OU Game Today

« on: October 21, 2017, 05:35:53 PM »

Lot of empty seats in the north endzone. Still boozing it up in the parking lot?